BBC Disturbing as ever! Re. Climate change.

[Disco_Destroyer]

Currently on Radio Five Live they be discussing an apparent new UN Study into Climate Change. They are saying world population levels are unsustainable and are having a huge impact on world resources, pushing the Earths defences to the limit! They say if we keep pushing the upper limits of the threshold there will be major catastrophe. Says an apparent UN Reprisentative.

So I thought I'd go in search of this report! Haven't found it yet but if anyone has info please forward
Judging by this though there doesn't seem to be much without reading in depth. Infact it doesn't even look like there is a new report out dated 25th or near?? http://unfccc.int/2860.php

So my initial thoughts would be a psy-op to justify future war and or genocide?
20 years ago my father seemed to think we'd be colonizing space by now, and by god if we wasn't so intent on destroying each other I'd say he could have been right!
What became of space exploration? Oh yea Full Spectrum Dominance

[Disco_Destroyer]

[ian neal]

This is the definitive word from the UN on climate change, released earlier this year. Obviously the conclusions of the IPCC are challenged by quite a few people here and elsewhere, despite the apparent scientific concensus

http://www.ipcc.ch/

This on population and the future from the UN's millennium project

http://www.millennium-project.org/millennium/Global_Challenges/chall-0 3.html and http://www.millennium-project.org/millennium/Global_Challenges/Gc-03.h tml

This from this year's state of the future report
http://www.millennium-project.org/millennium/sof2007-exec-summ.pdf

[Alex_V]

Not sure what the actual meat of the thread has to do with the title. The BBC seem to be reporting a UN report - why shouldn't they? And it's about population growth not climate change.

[Disco_Destroyer]

[uselesseater]

Climate change and depopulation run seamlessly together and the UN was set up by the multi national corporations for their own purposes.

As for the BBC? Well they are owned by the government who are merely a subsidiary of the NWO.

[Disco_Destroyer]

[Justin]

Man made Global Warming is a scam by the NWO/Illuminati/Hidden Hand - nearly all, if not all, of the planets and their moons in our SOLAR system are showing signs of temperature increases. It is all about imposing more control and fear and is a major tool created by them towards the 'need ' for a fascist global government.

As regards the UN........

The United Nations has been designed to fail in delivering the essentials for humanity. From personal experience I know this to be true. From 1989 to 2002, a small group of us (academics, ex-military and emergency response personnel) came up with and formally proposed an international response mechanism under the DHA (United Nations Department for Humanitarian Affairs) which would have ensured that any major rapid onset disaster (earthquakes, cyclones etc.) would be responded to effectively within 24 hours. This would be done by drawing up protocols with disaster prone developing countries to cut through the red tape before a disaster happens so avoiding any unnecessary delays with the response time when a disaster actually does happen. It would also involve having an International Rapid Response Programme (under the UN) in position at strategic bases around the world with Airborne Urban Search and Rescue Teams along with MASH, Communication and Engineer units made up from unarmed military contingents from UN member countries. There would also be a state of the art Global Disaster Coordination Centre monitoring and coordinating 24/7 humanitarian concerns and responses all around the world. The whole concept made perfect sense; it would harness existing resources so the cost implications were negligible and a wealthy oil rich state had shown an interest in hosting such a programme. So what went wrong with this common sense project to save innocent lives all around the world?

In one word, 'they' didn't want it. We came up against hostility, negativity and apathy from senior UN 'Hidden Hand' placemen (like Maurice Strong) as well as government 'aid' ministers from Britain (Baroness Chalker), the US and France and, in the end, the UAE, our potential sponsor, walked away from the project. The simple truth is that the UN aid system is designed not to work properly and the last thing the United Nations want is for common sense proposals to be put to them. Good God, if that happened, they would be well resourced and would be proactive in preventing humanitarian emergencies and, when a rapid onset natural or technological disaster occurred, like Bhopal, the world could respond in a timely and effective manner.

I'm afraid the bottom line is that the United Nations is designed to be only semi-effective and the rhetoric is better than the action. The people who established the UN were and are supporters of Malthusian policies and 'useless eaters' are quite definitely not at the top of their agenda.

[ian neal]

I suspect this UNEP report may be the one referred to on 5Live

http://www.unep.org/

http://www.unep.org/Documents.Multilingual/Default.asp?DocumentID=519& ArticleID=5688&l=en

http://news.google.co.uk/nwshp?oe=UTF-8&hl=en&tab=wn&ie=UTF-8&ncl=1122 663290

This from today's Independent

Not an environment scare story

By Steve Connor, Science Editor

Published: 26 October 2007

A landmark assessment by the UN of the state of the world's environment paints the bleakest picture yet of our planet's well-being. The warning is stark: humanity's future is at risk unless urgent action is taken. Over the past 20 years, almost every index of the planet's health has worsened. At the same time, personal wealth in the richest countries has grown by a third.

The report, by the United Nations Environment Programme (Unep), warns that the vital natural resources which support life on Earth have suffered significantly since the first such report, published in 1987. However, this gradual depletion of the world's natural "capital" has coincided with unprecedented economic gains for developed nations, which, for many people, have masked the growing crisis.

Nearly 400 experts from around the world contributed to the report, which warns that humanity itself could be at risk if nothing is done to address the three major environmental problems of a growing human population, climate change and the mass extinction of animals and plants.

The report is the fruit of five years' work by leading scientists and is the fourth in a series since the publication in 1987 of Our Common Future by an international commission into the state of the global environment chaired by the former Norwegian prime minister Gro Harlem Brundtland.

Achim Steiner, the executive director of Unep, said that the objective of the latest report was not to present a "dark and gloomy scenario" but to make the case for an urgent call to action. However, the dire state of almost every aspect of the planet's wellbeing points to 20 years of missed opportunities.

Mr Steiner said yesterday at the launch of the report that it was illuminating how over the past 20 years the financial wealth of the planet has soared by around a third. "But at the same time it is sobering: much of the 'natural' capital upon which so much of human well-being and economic activity depends – water, land, the air and atmosphere, biodiversity and marine resources – continue their seemingly inexorable decline," he said.

Meanwhile, the political response to the growing emergency has been limited. "Without an accelerated effort to reform the way we collectively do business on planet Earth, we will shortly be in trouble if indeed we are not already," Mr Steiner said.

"There have been enough wake-up calls. I sincerely hope this is the final one. The systematic destruction of the Earth's natural and nature-based resources has reached a point where the economic viability of economies is being challenged – and the bill we hand on to our children may prove impossible to pay," he said.

The fourth Unep report since the seminal 1987 report of the Brundtland Commission reveals a stark continuation in the environment's decline. The environmental "footprint" of humanity has increased dramatically in 20 years, with a rising population and increased use of energy, land and other natural resources.

Unep's Global Environment Outlook (GEO-4) states that the human demand on the planet now means we are living beyond our means. The present footprint is equivalent to 22 hectares per person, whereas the natural carrying capacity of the Earth is less than 16 hectares per person, the report says.

The world economy has at the same time boomed, with the global GDP per capita rising from about $6,000 (£2,920) to just over $8,000. But this increased wealth has been geared towards the developed world and has come at an enormous cost to the environment. Available freshwater stocks have declined dramatically since the 1980s, in west Asia, for instance, from 1,700 cubic metres per person per year, to 907 cubic metres today. By the middle of the century, this is likely to fall still further to 420 cubic metres per person per year. Over the past 20 years, the proportion of fish stocks in the world that have collapsed has doubled from 15 per cent to 30 per cent. At the same time the proportion of fish stocks that are deemed to be overexploited has risen from 20 per cent to 40 per cent.

The intensity with which agricultural land is farmed has also increased, and with it the burden of soil erosion, water scarcity, nutrient depletion and pollution. In 1987, a hectare of cropland yielded 1.8 tons of produce, but due to intensification this has now risen to 2.5 tons.

Energy consumption in developed nations has risen significantly. In Canada and the US, for instance, the demand for energy has grown by 19 per cent since 1987. Concentrations of carbon dioxide, a principal greenhouse gas, are about a third higher than they were 20 years ago.

Species of animals and plants are estimated to be going extinct at a rate that is about 100 times faster than the historical record, largely as a result of human activities. Biologists have now classified 30 per cent of amphibians, 23 per cent of mammals and 12 per cent of birds as threatened.

A growing human population, which is expected to reach nine billion by the mid-century, will place increasing pressure on land, water and biodiversity. Land will have to be more intensively farmed, or more land will have be cultivated. "Either way, biodiversity suffers," the report says.

Against a background of continued degradation of the land and oceans, of population increases and of species extinctions, lies the spectre of climate change – one the biggest threats facing humanity in the 21st century. There is now "visible and unequivocal" evidence that global warming is causing further impacts on the global environment, the GEO-4 report says.

Mike Childs, the campaigns director at Friends of the Earth, said the report made it clear we need concerted international political action to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and halt the loss of wildlife and ecosystems. "This report clearly demonstrates that we also need a step change in understanding that the steady degradation of the world's environment threatens the well-being of everybody on the planet," he said.

"Our response to this planetary emergency must be to harness humankind's amazing ingenuity to make the next two decades a time of innovation and determination to create a fairer and greener world."

Twenty years of environmental failure

Since 1987, when the landmark UN report Our Common Future (overseen by Gro Harlem Brundtland, right) warned of the need for concerted action to secure humanity's future, the state of the global environment has declined in numerous ways.

* The availability of fresh water had declined dramatically. In west Asia, for instance, available fresh water has fallen from 1,700 cubic metres per person per year to 907 cubic metres, largely due to pollution and demand.

* Levels of carbon dioxide have risen by a third and energy demands of countries such as the United States and Canada are nearly a fifth higher than in 1987.

* In 1987, about 15 per cent of global fish stocks were classified as collapsed, and 20 per cent were overexploited. Now 30 per cent have collapsed and a further 40 per cent are overexploited.

* The number of species which is threatened with extinction has increased. Since 1987, there has been a 50 per cent decline in the populations of some freshwater animals and a 30 per cent fall among terrestrial and marine species.

* The agricultural intensification of cultivated land has risen, with greater impact on pollution, nutrient depletion and water use. A hectare of farmland in 1987 produced an average yield of 1.8 tons, but now it produces 2.5 tons.

* Human population has increased by a third since 1987. At the same time there has been a threefold increase in global trade and average income per head has increased by a third, with global GDP per capita rising from $6,000 in 1987 to a total of $8,000 today.

http://environment.independent.co.uk/climate_change/article3098852.ece

http://comment.independent.co.uk/commentators/article3098851.ece

[chek]

[Alex_V]

I agree wholeheartedly with Chek. Even if the skeptic arguments are correct, which in my opinion is highly unlikely, then at best what we face is a grand 'experiment' on a global scale with utterly unknown results.

The NWO/illuminati add-on is, as usual, based on utter presumption and zero evidence.

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[Justin]

[chek]

[my left bollock]

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[Alex_V]

[Leiff]

[Justin]

My Left Bollock wrote

[ian neal]

[ian neal]

[Disco_Destroyer]

The talk on Five live is more disturbing in light of what End Game goes into:- http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1070329053600562261&hl=en


Check this out, maybe it is timed to ferment paranoia as a joke or maybe not??

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6057734.stm

See also this as highly relevant

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=11575

[chek]

[chek]

[Justin]

[James C]

[my left bollock]

[ian neal]

MLB,

1) Stop being such an antagonistic and rude poster or I will just ban you with no further warning.

2) I didn't say that rising CO2 is causing global warming and I didn't say humans are responsible for all of the rise in CO2 comncentrations. Have another go and try reading what I actually wrote

[Justin]

James, my friend, Peak Oil is yet another scam............if you doubt me look at the suppressed technologies that could replace oil within two decades (Tesla et al) plus the huge oil reserves in Canada using the oil shale/sand of Alberta http://www.energy.gov.ab.ca/OurBusiness/oilsands.asp .

Once we get the NWO/Illuminati/Hidden Hand exposed and broken up and all their deceit and wrong doings against humanity, carried out over the last few hundred years (banking etc), put right, we will have a level playing field with which to take humanity forward to far better times.

[chek]