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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:25 am    Post subject: USA "Thought Crime Prevention Bill" Reply with quote

This came in this morning....


Dear Friends, Please distribute this widely. We can be deemed prosecutable under this bill.
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October 25 , 2007
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STOP what you're doing.
Read this.
Read it ALL.
Of all the draconian totalitarian abusive laws passed by our government, this may be the scariest.
Of course, Nancy Pelosi pushed this through.
Today, it passed the House 404-6.
DEMOCRAT Jane Harman sponsored it, with 14 bi partisan co sponsors.
Barbara Lee voted yes. Maxine Waters voted yes. Henry Waxman and Pete Stark voted yes.

You MUST read it.
And scariest of all- there has not been ONE PEEP about this anywhere-
no NY Times, no CNN.
Not even the leftie blogs, except Rogue Government and Blacklisted News.
Plus today's Counterpunch .
BUT-
the Counterpunch article blithely forecasts that this bill would get the usual, constitutional congressional due process-
referral to committee, negotiation, floor debate, scrutiny.
It got NONE of these things.
It was shoved through and passed with NO debate, no scrutiny-
by Nancy Pelosi and her Republican co-conspirators.
Just like all the others-

The terms of this law are horrendous, unthinkable.
But the METHOD used to make it law makes manifest the true degree of the fascism under which we are now living.
And, the complete lack of any opposition, the screaming silence of the press and the People, tells us the worst of the tale.
If we let this happen, and we are, then we deserve everything that's happening to us.
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House Passes Thought Crime Prevention Bill
Published on Thursday, October 25, 2007.
http://www.blacklistednews.com/view.asp?ID=4596

Source: Rogue Government - Lee Rogers

The U.S. House of Representatives recently passed HR 1955 titled the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007. This bill is one of the most blatant attacks against the Constitution yet and actually defines thought crimes as homegrown terrorism. If passed into law, it will also establish a commission and a Center of Excellence to study and defeat so called thought criminals. Unlike previous anti-terror legislation, this bill specifically targets the civilian population of the United States and uses vague language to define homegrown terrorism. Amazingly, 404 of our elected representatives from both the Democrat and Republican parties voted in favor of this bill. There is little doubt that this bill is specifically targeting the growing patriot community that is demanding the restoration of the Constitution.

First let's take a look at the definitions of violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism as defined in Section 899A of the bill.

The definition of violent radicalization uses vague language to define this term of promoting any belief system that the government considers to be an extremist agenda. Since the bill doesn't specifically define what an extremist belief system is, it is entirely up to the interpretation of the government. Considering how much the government has done to destroy the Constitution they could even define Ron Paul supporters as promoting an extremist belief system. Literally, the government according to this definition can define whatever they want as an extremist belief system. Essentially they have defined violent radicalization as thought crime. The definition as defined in the bill is shown below.

`(2) VIOLENT RADICALIZATION- The term `violent radicalization' means the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious, or social change.

The definition of homegrown terrorism uses equally vague language to further define thought crime. The bill includes the planned use of force or violence as homegrown terrorism which could be interpreted as thinking about using force or violence. Not only that but the definition is so vaguely defined, that petty crimes could even fall into the category of homegrown terrorism. The definition as defined in the bill is shown below.

`(3) HOMEGROWN TERRORISM- The term `homegrown terrorism' means the use, planned use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual born, raised, or based and operating primarily within the United States or any possession of the United States to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.

Section 899B of the bill goes over the findings of Congress as it pertains to homegrown terrorism. Particularly alarming is that the bill mentions the Internet as a main source for terrorist propaganda. The bill even mentions streams in obvious reference to many of the patriot and pro-constitution Internet radio networks that have been formed. It also mentions that homegrown terrorists span all ages and races indicating that the Congress is stating that everyone is a potential terrorist. Even worse is that Congress states in their findings that they should look at draconian police states like Canada, Australia and the United Kingdom as models to defeat homegrown terrorists. Literally, these findings of Congress fall right in line with the growing patriot community.

The biggest joke of all is that this section also says that any measure to prevent violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism should not violate the constitutional rights of citizens. However, the definition of violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism as they are defined in section 899A are themselves unconstitutional. The Constitution does not allow the government to arrest people for thought crimes, so any promises not to violate the constitutional rights of citizens is already broken by their own definitions.

`SEC. 899B. FINDINGS.

`The Congress finds the following:

`(1) The development and implementation of methods and processes that can be utilized to prevent violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in the United States is critical to combating domestic terrorism.

`(2) The promotion of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence exists in the United States and poses a threat to homeland security.

`(3) The Internet has aided in facilitating violent radicalization, ideologically based violence, and the homegrown terrorism process in the United States by providing access to broad and constant streams of terrorist-related propaganda to United States citizens.

`(4) While the United States must continue its vigilant efforts to combat international terrorism, it must also strengthen efforts to combat the threat posed by homegrown terrorists based and operating within the United States.

`(5) Understanding the motivational factors that lead to violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence is a vital step toward eradicating these threats in the United States.

`(6) The potential rise of self radicalized, unaffiliated terrorists domestically cannot be easily prevented through traditional Federal intelligence or law enforcement efforts, and requires the incorporation of State and local solutions.

`(7) Individuals prone to violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence span all races, ethnicities, and religious beliefs, and individuals should not be targeted based solely on race, ethnicity, or religion.

`(Cool Any measure taken to prevent violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence and homegrown terrorism in the United States should not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights and civil liberties of United States citizens and lawful permanent residents.

`(9) Certain governments, including the United Kingdom, Canada, and Australia have significant experience with homegrown terrorism and the United States can benefit from lessons learned by those nations.

Section 899C calls for a commission on the prevention of violent radicalization and ideologically based violence. The commission will consist of ten members appointed by various individuals that hold different positions in government. Essentially, this is a commission that will examine and report on how they are going to deal with violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism. So basically, the commission is being formed specifically on how to deal with thought criminals in the United States. The bill requires that the commission submit their final report 18 months following the commission's first meeting as well as submit interim reports every 6 months leading up to the final report. Below is the bill's defined purpose of the commission. Amazingly they even define one of the purposes of the commission to determine the causes of lone wolf violent radicalization.

(b) Purpose- The purposes of the Commission are the following:

`(1) Examine and report upon the facts and causes of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in the United States, including United States connections to non-United States persons and networks, violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in prison, individual or `lone wolf' violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence, and other faces of the phenomena of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence that the Commission considers important.

`(2) Build upon and bring together the work of other entities and avoid unnecessary duplication, by reviewing the findings, conclusions, and recommendations of--

`(A) the Center of Excellence established or designated under section 899D, and other academic work, as appropriate;

`(B) Federal, State, local, or tribal studies of, reviews of, and experiences with violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence; and

`(C) foreign government studies of, reviews of, and experiences with violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence.

Section 899D of the bill establishes a Center of Excellence for the Study of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism in the United States. Essentially, this will be a Department of Homeland Security affiliated institution that will study and determine how to defeat thought criminals.

Section 899E of the bill discusses how the government is going to defeat violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism through international cooperation. As stated in the findings section earlier in the legislation, they will unquestionably seek the advice of countries with draconian police states like the United Kingdom to determine how to deal with this growing threat of thought crime.

Possibly the most ridiculous section of the bill is Section 899F which states how they plan on protecting civil rights and civil liberties while preventing ideologically based violence and homegrown terrorism. Here is what the section says.

`SEC. 899F. PROTECTING CIVIL RIGHTS AND CIVIL LIBERTIES WHILE PREVENTING IDEOLOGICALLY-BASED VIOLENCE AND HOMEGROWN TERRORISM.

`(a) In General- The Department of Homeland Security's efforts to prevent ideologically-based violence and homegrown terrorism as described herein shall not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights, and civil liberties of United States citizens and lawful permanent residents.

`(b) Commitment to Racial Neutrality- The Secretary shall ensure that the activities and operations of the entities created by this subtitle are in compliance with the Department of Homeland Security's commitment to racial neutrality.

`(c) Auditing Mechanism- The Civil Rights and Civil Liberties Officer of the Department of Homeland Security will develop and implement an auditing mechanism to ensure that compliance with this subtitle does not result in a disproportionate impact, without a rational basis, on any particular race, ethnicity, or religion and include the results of its audit in its annual report to Congress required under section 705.'.

(b) Clerical Amendment- The table of contents in section 1(b) of such Act is amended by inserting at the end of the items relating to title VIII the following:

It states in the first subsection that in general the efforts to defeat thought crime shall not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights and civil liberties of the United States citizens and lawful permanent residents. How does this protect constitutional rights if they use vague language such as in general that prefaces the statement? This means that the Department of Homeland Security does not have to abide by the Constitution in their attempts to prevent so called homegrown terrorism.

This bill is completely insane. It literally allows the government to define any and all crimes including thought crime as violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism. Obviously, this legislation is unconstitutional on a number of levels and it is clear that all 404 representatives who voted in favor of this bill are traitors and should be removed from office immediately. The treason spans both political parties and it shows us all that there is no difference between them. The bill will go on to the Senate and will likely be passed and signed into the law by George W. Bush. Considering that draconian legislation like the Patriot Act and the Military Commissions Act have already been passed, there seems little question that this one will get passed as well. This is more proof that our country has been completely sold out by a group of traitors at all levels of government.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 12:04 pm    Post subject: watch endgame the new alex jones film Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 3:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fortunately, all that bill is doing at this point, assuming it passes, is forming a commission to discuss 'homegrown radicalization', et al. So there will be plenty of time to get this in the public eye. Confused
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought it passed on 23rd
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Remember, this is the same government that has bombed the offices of Al-Jazeera in Afghanistan, murdered one of its reporters, and was going to bomb their Doha headquarters, and has kidnapped an Al-Jazeera cameraman, holding him for the past five years in the Guantanamo Gulag, yet accuses Al-Jazeera of "promoting terrorism" (which couldn't be further from the truth).

This is also the same government that has placed Hezbullah on its list of terrorist organizations, and forbids anyone broadcasting the Al-Manar tv station, with the explanation that Hezbullah is a terrorist organization, which it definitely is not, and that Al-Manar promotes terrorism, which it definitely does not.

This is also the same government that welcomed the butcher Sharon as a "man of peace", accepts Bush's self-definition as a "Christian", famously said, "we don't do body counts", lied about WMDs and justify their pillage of Iraq as a mission to "spread democracy".

I don't know about anybody else, but I for one am DAMN sure that I wouldn't trust that government or any other, to criminalize thoughts or speech.

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If we leave power out of the discussion about racism, it becomes no more than a discussion about personal likes and dislikes, which has no impact on politics or society. It is no longer even worthwhile to discuss at that point. Who cares what people's personal likes and dislikes are? Those have no impact on anything.

Without political oppression being associated with race, racism would not be an important subject - we might as well argue about preferences in clothing fashions.

Someone may not like me, but without power they cannot harm me. If they cannot harm me, there is no problem and they are free to like or dislike whatver they choose. Racism is about power, just as all politics are about power - who has it, who doesn't, how it is used.

Only those with power, or close to power, or identifying with power, leave the subject of power out of political discussions. It is a "given" to them, and the "level playing field" and "equality" start for them once the existing power structure is accepted as the base line - as "reality."

It will soon be coming here.......beware.!
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TmcMistress wrote:
Fortunately, all that bill is doing at this point, assuming it passes, is forming a commission to discuss 'homegrown radicalization', et al. So there will be plenty of time to get this in the public eye. Confused


i'd make no assumptions

And of course, any form of questioning or challenging this would be by definition "thought crime"

The only up side is this destroys any remaining credibility in the system to anyone not comatose from the neck up

Its always when the repression is rushing towards totalitarian that the control game is at its most vunerable

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Thought Crimes!" Heck, isn't this the concept which was portrayed in Orwell's 1984? Shocked
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:22 pm    Post subject: Re: watch endgame the new alex jones film Reply with quote

stelios wrote:
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=1070329053600562261
watch endgame the new alex jones film


We have been debating this. Gives the Ziocons a free pass.

http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=193503

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Disco_Destroyer wrote:
I thought it passed on 23rd


Passed the House. As far as I know, it still has to go through the Senate and the "President".

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah OK Wink
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