killtown's NPT FREE SPEECH VERBOTEN zone

[gruts]

[chek]

I posted this elsewhere, but thought it fitted with your topic also gruts.
Hope you don't mind.

Killtown wrote:
The trolls here keep claiming that I'm complaining around here because people disagree with my theories.

CHALLENGE: Where have I complained at this forum about people disagreeing with any of my theories?


If your reply doesn't include a link to one of my posts here showing me complaining about someone disagreeing with my theories, then you are posting here just to troll.


You really are the most disingenuous kind of dissembler, aren't you Killtown?

Here's the way your methodology works - and allows you to deceive yourself - but only yourself, because the mechanism is so transparent to any half intelligent person.

1. Killtown posts a his 'theory' (however inane) on a public forum.

2. Other members of the forum consider his words.

3. The basis and/or consequences of his theory are questioned.

4. Killtown designates the questioner as a 'troll'.

5. Killtown asks for 'trolls' to be banned.

6. Killtown asks where he has ever asked for anyone to be banned for
disagreeing with his theory.

You've been living too long in the U.S. of Dumbdown if you think you fool anybody Killtown.

God help this forum if it considers appeasement as any kind of solution to that kind of sly thug mentality.

[Killtown]

Uh oh, the trolls are getting extremely nervous and are shacking in their boats that Ian might set up a troll-free section where the trolls won't be able to post their person attack and slander anymore!

[ian neal]

Before the creation of critics corner, supporters of the OCT were intervening on every thread and the 'debate' became an endless and v tedious 'tennis match' with lots of heat and very little light. I didn't want to censor OCT supporters. On occasion they made sound, evidence based contributions, but at the same time I didn't want to see the whole forum dominated by the antics of the more agressive critics and hence the creation of critics corner. If you want to engage with OCT supporters you can, but just in one area.

Unfortunately a similar situation has arisen the 9/11 controversies section.

So I'm floating a similar idea as a possible solution to these endless circular arguments on 'controversial theories'. I would see it working in a similar way to the current critics corner. A space on the forum where advocates of NPT, TvF and DEW hypotheses are free to present their beliefs and in which their critics would be politely requested not to post. It would be effectively be a sub-section of the '9/11 controversies' section. I guess it would be open to supporters of these theories and the agnostic.

At the same time I would not want to prevent critics of these theories from continuing to challenge them. They would continue to do so in the open area of '9/11 controversies but just not in this 'researchers and agnostics only' area. The difference with critics corner is that 'researchers' would be free to post in all areas whereas OCT supporters are only allowed to post in critics corner.

That said (and as I explain on the future of the forum thread) I want to focus on the British campaign and reduce my involvement in the forum's moderation. The probable solution to this will be to hand over moderation (but not the overall ownership/administration) to others for a probationary period (more on this in due course). And so now may not be the best time for me to be proposing radical changes if I won't be involved in their implementation.

[Killtown]

Ian, there is only one special section for you to set up that would take you 5 minutes and would solve 99% of your problems here.

Create a "Sandbox" (or whatever you want to call it) like we have over at http://forum.911movement.org (you need to be logged in to see it). Throw people in there who don't know how to debate like mature people (i.e. the trolls).

There, problem solved.

What do you say?

[chek]

[Killtown]

Uh oh, the trolls are getting scared! Their days of trolling are numbered!

[chek]

[Dogsmilk]

[Dogsmilk]

...and no matter...

Can't edit post (?)

[gruts]

[gruts]

this is a typical example of the kind of nonsense that killtown and posters he approves of will be allowed to post in killtown's korner, while other posters who have never broken the forum's rules but he doesn't approve of will not be allowed to respond.

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=11822

please explain your rationale for thinking that this is a good idea.

[ian neal]

Still think the option of having an area or few disignated threads that are flagged up as exclusively for NPT/DEW theory advoactes would address some of the concerns of Killtown et al and would be practical. Months ago when some researchers led by veronica challenged Steven Jones I made a similar offer. But given what I say below I'm not going to introduce this proposal.

[chek]

Ian, if I may add, the only concerns that No Planers have are that their speculations don't stand up to examination by most rational people and the more informed.

For all the claims to the contrary, their theories are NOT shouted down, they are simply asked to make their speculations stand up to simple logic and reason.

That's the part they don't like.

What is the point - apart from propgandising - of posting on a public forum if that public are not given a right to reply?

This isn't an NPT club for the bewildered - we as a community are meant to be investigating, in our various ways, the truth behind 911 and its subsequent consequences.

That should be our focus, not appeasing special interest groups who can be shown to have zero respect for this forum, yet nevertheless see it, for whatever reason, as an asset to their own agenda.

[Killtown]

Why did my troll remedy proposal thread get moved and LOCKED in the Dustbin, but the ridiculing thread against me started by a troll was not?

Double standards?

[chek]

[Stefan]

I think this says it all -

Killtown and bollockboy's idea of "freedom of speech" is the silencing of all those who disagree with them.

Let them have their play pen - put a sticky post on it explaining that killtown et all would not stop attacking the forum unless there was an area in which no one was allowed to disagree with them and leave them to fester there amonst themselves.

It says everything about them that needs to be said - and they themselves asked for it.

Of course then, they would have to accept all the articulate dismantling of their "research" everywhere else on the forum, should they chose to stray from their quaranteen and continue to infect the rest of the forum with their spoilt prattling.

[chek]

I'm of the opinion that submitting to bullying or prolonged and persistent whining is never a good course of action, Stefan.

What is all too obvious from the Killtownia forum is that they have absolutely zero respect for anyone outside of their gulag.

But the question remains - why does Killtown want unchallengeable access here so badly?
Anybody interested in Killtownism can quite easily click a link to his site to
get the info directly from the horse's arse.
Or is it mouth?
I can never remember.

One thing's already been proved for certain - Killtown doesn't do debate, and he doesn't stop his site continuing to promote discredited nonsense like September Clues.

So why?

[Stefan]

chek,
I agree that you shouldn't give into bullying - but sometimes the worst punishment you can dole out to someone is to give them what they wish for.

Let them bury themselves with their own arrogance.

By setting up themselves a little incestual quaranteen where only they can post they remove the right to act indignant about anything that goes on elsewhere in the forum.

Eventually their little section will dry up with no one else posting or looking at it, and they'll crawl back to the other boards, but this time how are they going to claim that they're being oppressed - given all of their "demands" have been met and they have their own dead end back water?

They'll have to submit their theories to interogation, and once again they will be torn to pieces - but how are they going to spin it in anyway other than the product of their own inadequecy?

No Ian Neal to blame for everything - he gave them their own forum...

[my left bollock]

This is a bogus site

For real truth go to

http://forum.911movement.org/

[my left bollock]

This is a bogus site

For real truth go to

http://forum.911movement.org/

[chek]

The above is what we'd be capitulating to Stefan.

[Killtown]

[Stefan]

Killtown -

Oh I'm a troll now?

What definition are you using.

By the way:

[Killtown]

[Stefan]

Killtown,
You do it every day - you just hide it behind complaining about these people being trolls which you refuse to give a clear explanation of which could not be used to classify everyone on this forum, including your cult.

"It's just a coincidence the people I complain about disagree with me - I'm complaining about them because they're [b]trolls[/d] you see - I just care about this forum."

Strangley everytime anyone disagrees with you in anyway they suddenly become a "troll".

Why don't you just drop the bs and admit what you whine to Ian about is that people dare not to believe what you espouse?

[Killtown]

Here troll, a challenge for you:

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=11797

[Stefan]

I just answered you question Killtown -

You claim to be controlling about "trolls" not being banned from the forum.

You refuse to give any coherent explanation for what your criteria for a troll is.

It turns out though, anyone who speaks against you is instantly a troll:

Ergo your criteria for someone being a troll is that they disagree with you - and everyday you complain to Ian that he doesn't silence trolls.

IOW - you demand all those who question you be silenced.

[ian neal]

And what do you want me to do Killtown? Place those you define as trolls in a sandpit it appears. What is their crime? Principally attacking NPTs and sept clues. Occasionally they are mildly abusive but no more so than yourself. It does appear what you are arguing for would result in the silencing or atleast marginalising those who are criticising you.

I hope you are unhappy to have your forum associated with the antics of MLB

Now I have answered your concerns and questions and responded to your proposal. You may not like the answers or my approach. You may conclude that I'm a shill, but I know I'm not. Unless you have something new to say, may I ask you to stop criticising my moderation of the forum otherwise I will ask you to only post in critics corner.

[ian neal]