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 Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 11:55 am Post subject: 9/11 Science - The Analysis |
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When you need to prove something, the best route is follow the available scientific information.
The laws of physics are immutable and are not subject to debate. The following material is based upon work by Professor Steven Jones, a Professor of Physics at BYU universtiy and a former principle scientist on muon catalysed fusion at the US Department of Energy.
Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse?
By Steven E. Jones
Department of Physics and Astronomy
Brigham Young University
Provo, UT 84602
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
Who is Professor Steven Jones?
Wikipedia Entry:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_E._Jones
Initial Close-up of Molten Metal at WTC
Link to large image:
http://img335.imageshack.us/img335/7572/mo...eelclose0yl.jpg
Enhanced Close-up of Molten Metal at WTC
Link to large image:
http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/2169/mo...lenclose5mt.jpg
From here, we are able to conduct some basic comparisons, in terms of colour, temperature and visible characteristics. An earlier analysis revealed this:
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You have often heard me say 'The laws of physics are immutable'. That means they are static, they don't change.
In practice, that means specific markers can be used to catagorise material. With burning metal, a colour temperature chart will tell you the temperature that a material is burning at.
We can see from this photo below [see images above], that it is a form of molten metal.
If we now compare the colour of this molten metal against a 'Metal Temperature by Colour' chart we can get an approximate temperature range.
http://www.processassociates.com/process/heat/metcolor.htm
In the case of the photo above, it would be classed, cautiously (i.e. using the darkest patches), as a salmon-to-yellow-hot temperature (1550 - 1900oF, 845 - 1040oC).
We can now rule out all elements or alloys that would either melt below that range.
The below list of metals we can exclude as possibilities:
Aluminum - Al - 1220F/660C
Antimony - Sb - 1167F/630C
Bismuth - Bi - 520F/271C
Cadmium - Cd - 610F/321C
Lead - Pb - 621F/327C
Magnesium - Mg - 1202F/650C
Phosphorus - P - 111F/44C
Tin - Sn - 450F/232C
Zinc - Zn - 787F/419C
This now leaves us with a list of possible candidates:
ASTM E119 Certified Steel - 3000F/1649C
Beryllium - Be - 2340F/1280C
Chromium - Cr - 3430F/1890C
Cobalt - Co - 2723F/1495C
Copper - Cu - 1981F/1083C
Gold, 24K Pure - Au - 1945F/1063C
Iridium - Ir - 4449F/2454C
Iron - Fe - 2802F/1539C
Manganese - Mn - 2273F/1245C
Molybdenum - Mo - 4760F/2625C
Nickel - Ni - 2651F/1455C
Osmium - Os - 4892F/2700C
Palladium - Pd - 2831F/1555C
Platinum, Pure - Pt - 3224F/1773C
15% Irid Plat - 3310F/1821C
10% Irid Plat - 3250F/1788C
5% Irid Plat - 3235F/1779C
Rhodium - Rh - 3571F/1966C
Ruthenium - Ru - 4500F/2500C
Silicon - Si - 2605F/1430C
Silver, Pure - Ag - 1761F/961C
Silver, Sterling - 1640F/893C
Silver, Coin - 1615F/879C
Now we look at our list of possible candidates and compare it against the photo.
Given the shape, size and context of the site, the majority of metals on our list can be ruled out as they don't tend to be used in that fashion.
Occam's razor would suggest that we are looking at ASTM E119 Certified Steel or copper.
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We can now compared the above images against sample images of materials and determine the closest match based upon visual observation.
Enhanced Close-up of Molten Metal at WTC
Link to large image:
http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/2169/mo...lenclose5mt.jpg
Examples of Molten Copper
Link to file:
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/p...ery-Posters.jpg
Link to file:
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/8254/copperfoundry25my.jpg
Examples of Molton Steel
Link to file:
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/9216/steelslab9av.jpg
Link to file:
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/6431/steelpipe2xz.jpg
As we can see from the above images, the 'Examples of Molten Steel', would be more consistant with the image of molten metal at the WTC. The colour, temperature and general texture are consistant.
The main question is, why did the steel melt?
The fires burned for 3 months with recorded temperatures of around 1341F/727C.
OFR 01-0429: World Trade Center USGS Thermal
http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/thermal.r09.html
The photograph shows metal burning at an estimated temperature of 1550 - 1900oF, 845 - 1040oC.
The fire was not hot enough, before nor after the collapse, to create such molten metal. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 7:31 pm Post subject: The analysis begins... |
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Here is a good question to get the ball rolling...
Can you explain the source of thermite/thermate type reactions in these photographs?
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I've been thinking, after watching 9/11 Hoboken and reading the Finnish Army experts thesis that thermie may not be what occured. If the planws had hit the wrong spot, surely this would/may have caused a chain reaction that the PTB would have had no control over. Once again this is conjecture but I'm sure a valid point. Even if they did use remote control planes, they could surely not have calculated the effects of the fireball?
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| Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 4:36 am Post subject: Re: 9/11 Science - The Analysis |
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| MMC wrote: | | When you need to prove something, the best route is follow the available scientific information. |
Using the scientific method rather than the pathological science 'they' cooked up on 911 - i.e. the official theory - to fit the conclusion they already had.
The scholars have -->proved it<-- in preliminary tests using samples gleaned from memorials!
ThermAte not just thermite was used i.e. thermite + sulphur.
Surprised not to read this here yet.
Apparently Steven Jones revealed this at the chicago conference.
I have a clip of him discussing this but not sure i should post it.
I think its a good time for all the official conspiracy theory believers to jump ship...Something was never right on that ship and denial is no longer plugging the many holes littering the hull so its sinking fast...
Get in our lifeboat.  |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 11:58 pm Post subject: Molten Metal Identified |
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Now we're going to attempt identification of the molten metal seen flowing outside the building. A little analysis earlier of melting points revealed that Occam's razor would point to steel or copper as the primary source of metal at the WTC.
We'll begin by looking at the first picture of the molten metal:
9:53.51am, 11th Sept 2001 - Molten Metal at WTC 1
Link to file:
http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/2689/wtc1thermite15ee.jpg
Now let's look at two reference pictures and see if we can match the metal based upon characteristics.
Reference image for copper:
Link to large file:
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/9862/ch...idcopper3au.jpg
Reference image for steel:
Link to large file:
http://img283.imageshack.us/img283/9088/moltensteel5qf.jpg
Upon examination we can see that the texture is pretty much the same for both copper and steel in liquid form. The difference is that the steel is white hot, whereas the copper remains a sort of yellowish appearance. This means that the steel as at a far higher temperature than the copper and thus has a higher melting point.
Comparing it with the photo from the WTC, we can see that the colour and temperature is consistant with copper, not steel.
Copper (CU):
Melting point: 1357.77°K, 1084.62°C, 1984.32°F
So, for this to occur the temperature locally had to exceed 1084.62°C. There is no evidence to suggest temperature were anywhere near that high. NIST has no samples that were subjected to temperatures above 600°C.
This evidence makes the case for thermite a little stronger. Copper-based thermite is used in railways. Such materials could easily have been obtained from the PATH railway under the WTC.
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EXOTHERMIC WELDING OF HEAVY ELECTRICAL CABLES TO RAIL
Copper-based, exothermic welding is widely used in railroad tracks to connect
electrical cables to rail. Such welds, when properly made, can have current-carrying capacity equal to that of the conductor and usually require less maintenance than certain mechanical attachments. However, studies have shown that copper-based, exothermic welding can produce untempered martensite in high-hardenability rail steels. That finding is of special concern when heavy electrical cable is welded because the cable can be a substantial heat sink, quenching the weld and its heat-affected zones. Transit systems would like to determine if exothermic welding of heavy electrical cables to the rail web is a cause of rail defect and service rail failures.
RELATED AAR AND AREMA MANUALS
FOR COPPER-BASED, EXOTHERMIC WELDING
1. AAR Signal Manual Part 8.1.30, “Recommended Design
Criteria for Non-Propulsion Welded-Type Railhead
Bonds,” revised 1996.
2. AAR Signal Manual Part 8.1.31, “Recommended Design
Criteria for Copper Based Welded-Type Propulsion Railhead
Bonds,” 1996.
3. AAR Signal Manual Part 8.1.34, “Recommended Design
Criteria for Copper Based Exothermic Welding Material,”
1996.
4. AAR Signal Manual Part 8.6.40, “Recommended Instructions
for Application of Head-of-Rail Type Welded Bonds,”
revised 1994.
5. AREMA Manual, Chapter 33, Part 7, Section 3, “Specifi-
cation for Welded Type Rail Head U-bonds and Extended
Bonds,” 1996.
6. AREMA Manual, Chapter 33, Part 7, Section 5, “Specifi-
cation for Thermite Type Welded Rail-Head Bonds and
Track Connectors,” 1996.
7. AREMA Manual, Chapter 33, Part 7, Section 6, “Specification
for Copper Thermite Welded Electrical Connections,”
1996.
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Track-Related Research
Volume 3: Exothermic Welding of Heavy Electrical Cables to Rail
Applicability of AREMA Track
Recommended Practices for Transit Agencies
http://onlinepubs.trb.org/onlinepubs/tcrp/tcrp_rpt_71v3.pdf |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 1:23 pm Post subject: The E-Book... |
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I thought that some people would like to read Professor Steven Jones' paper offline. So, I downloaded a copy of the paper and created a *redesigned* offline website that people can download. I separated out the Professor's work into proper chapters, so that it reads like an Electronic Book (E-Book).
The offline website/E-Book can be accessed in two different ways, once you have extracted the files from the .zip file:
1. Simply click on the 'index.html' file within the root folder called 'Jones_WTC_911_Draft_6_4'. This will launch the offline book using your default web browser.
2. Run the included file 'Marx E-Book Browser v1.0.exe'. This is software I created for reading E-books built from offline websites. This application can be used for reading any offline site. Just copy the file to the root folder where the 'index.html' file is located. When you start the program, it will automatically read the 'index.html' file. This is also good for reading reports, providing personal presentations and even submitting course-work as the file is only 28K in size.
In order to run the E-Book, you may need to install the .NET Framework 2.0 from Microsoft (22MB). If you get any errors trying to run the program, 99% of the time it will be because you need to install the .NET Framework.
Microsoft .NET Framework Version 2.0 Redistributable Package (x86)
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details...&displaylang=en
This file will run on:
Windows 2000 (All Editions)
Windows XP (All Editions)
Windows Server 2003 (All Editions)
Windows Vista (?)
The E-Book software is Freeware, feel free to distribute it.
Link to the E-Book Version of Professor Steven Jones' paper on the collapse of the WTC:
http://www.badongo.com/file/841745
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 5:00 pm Post subject: Quick Analysis on Using 20,000lbs of Thermite at the WTC... |
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20,000 lbs
= 9090.9 kg
= 9.0909 Tonnes
Assuming 50 people were involved, that would require each to plant:
181.818 Kg
That would require 3 trips, carrying approximately 60kg per trip. Assuming a generic size of device of around 3kg, that would be 20 devices per trip, or 60 devices per man in total.
60 Devices * 50 people = 3000 devices.
As each building had 110 floors, that gives us 220 floors in total. We can spread these 50 people so that we have 1 person for every 4 floors, across both buildings and ignore the bottom 10 floors, leaving us with 200 floors to cover.
Each man would then place 15 devices on each of the 4 floors assigned to him.
50 peopele * 4 floors = 200 floors
(15 devices x 4 floors) * 50 people = 3000 locations/devices.
So, that's 1500 devices and 25 men per building.
The average weight for a male adult in the US is around 76-83 kg according to Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_weight
Thus, it is feasible for there to be as little as 33 people involved if each carried 90kg. Gaining access has numerous plausible scenarios, there is not much of a problem there. Given a good hiding spot for the devices, 1 person could move across 4 floors, positioning 60 devices, in 3-4 hours.
So, here is a quick table:
50 people - about 3-4 hours
100 people - about 1.5-2 hours
150 people - about an hour
As you can see, it would be pretty easy for any organisation of sufficent size. |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 3:30 pm Post subject: Part 3 |
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An independent analysis of Professor Steven Jones' paper...the story so far...:
Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse?
By Steven E. Jones,
Department of Physics and Astronomy,
Brigham Young University,
Provo,
UT 84602
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
Part 1: Identification of Steel & Limiting Blasting Noise to Church Street:
http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=4418&st=1545
Part 2: Identification of Molten Copper at WTC 1 Before Collapse:
http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=4418&st=1545
Additional Notes: Calculations on People Required To Plant 20,000lbs of Thermite:
http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=4418&st=1560
Part 3
The identification of copper as the material pouring from the side of WTC 1 rang a few bells. Take a look at this photo:
In a warehouse in New York (as of November 2005)
Link to image:
http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/7428/image0048qx.jpg
and now the extreme close-up of the green material to the left-hand side of the above photograph:
Extreme Close-up of Material in a warehouse in New York
Link to image:
http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/5894/im...dextreme8oy.jpg
I had been wondering for a while where the green pigment could have come from. The substance in the image looks crystaline.
If you have ever seen copper pipes, or even roofs, that have been exposed to the atmosphere for a period you will have noticed that they are green, this substance is copper(II) carbonate:
Copper(II) Carbonate
We can rule this out, as being the substance in the picture, because at high temperatures the substance decomposes into a black Copper(II) Oxide:
Copper(II) Oxide
Link to image:
http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/5105/copperiioxide7rv.jpg
Malachite (green) crystals do occur in nature, however, not in the collapse of a building. Copper(II) carbonate hydroxide Cu2CO3(OH) (Malachite) would typically be found in rocks around 250 million years old. There is also synthetic malachite, however, the formation process is complex.
Malachite
Link to image:
http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/3729/copcrystal1xc.gif
So, that bring us to Copper Oxide (CuO):
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Back to the copper oxide, when I make it it comes out light green or an off white.
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http://www.rotteneggs.com/r3/show/se/130662.html
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Copper oxide is green
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Department of Physics at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
http://van.hep.uiuc.edu/van/qa/section/Eve...50307184405.htm
Copper Oxide
Link to image:
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/4615/co...depowder5kw.jpg
Given that the basic chemical ingredients for glass would already be present in the concrete itself, at high temperatures glass could form which makes this part interesting to note:
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Cupric [Copper] oxide is used in the ceramic industry for imparting blue, green or red tints in glasses, glazes and enamels.
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http://www.copper.org/applications/compoun..._compounds.html
As if that wasn't interesting enough...Copper oxide thermite is also explosive when mixed and housed correctly.
Here is a video of a copper oxide explosion:
32g Al + CuO Bomb (3:1 Ratio)
http://www.zippyvideos.com/3491604565214406/cuoal_32g/ |
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Additional Notes: Identification of 1000C+ Steel, 21st Oct 2001
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I found some more hot stuff that might interest you:
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Red Hot Debris. The removal of debris from the collapsed area requires the safe lifting and maneuvering of very heavy steel beams, often twisted and tangled from the force of the collapse. Some beams pulled from the wreckage are still red hot more than 7 weeks after the attack, and it is suspected that temperatures beneath the debris pile are well in excess of 1,000°F.
http://www.liro.com/lironews.pdf
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Interest me it does...First I checked out the source of this:
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Achitecture, engineering and
construction management firm
since 1984...
LiRo is committed to becoming
a premier, nationally recognized
leader in the design and
construction management of
infrastructure, facilities and
environmental projects.
"One of the top 50
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http://www.liro.com/lghome.html
The source on this would appear to be solid. So, I then enhanced the image to enable identification of the material.
Enhanced Image of Metal Observed by Liro
Link to large version:
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/1450/liromoltenenh2qu.jpg
Now perform a quick comparison:
Reference Image for Steel
Link to file:
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/6431/steelpipe2xz.jpg
I can confirm Liro's identification that these beams are steel.
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You can find a video of Prof. Steven Jones disscusing this Here
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| Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:10 pm Post subject: More embedded videos... |
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I've added more videos and they can all be watched directly from the site. I have included a video of the molten copper running from the side of the WTC, you can view it here:
http://gieis.esmartguy.com/evidence/part2/index.html
The additional videos that have been included are:
Video 1: MIT Engineer Breaks Down WTC Controlled Demolition
Video 2: Thermite Explained
Video 3: Building the World Trade Center Towers
Video 4: 2/1/2006 - BYU Professor Steven E Jones WTC Lecture - UVSC
Video 5: BYU Professor Steven E. Jones 9/11 Update April 6 2006
Video 6: David Ray Griffin - 911 Commission Report: Ommissions and Distortions
Video 7: The Psuedo-Scientific Model of the Pancake-style Collapse
Video 8: The Truth & Lies of 9/11
Go to my site to watch:
http://www.gieis.uni.cc/
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I've updated my site again...its now at draft 0.0.7. I've added some new videos on things like the WTC 7 collapse, Dr Robert Bowman and an engineering video on the design of the WTC and its ability to withstand aircraft impacts. There is also a discussion about the 'Burden of Proof' that exists upon NIST and its various claims.
Check it out...
http://www.gieis.uni.cc/
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Cracking Job MMC...and yes, this thermite angle is an extremely productive one
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Didn't work when I tried it this morning...
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Cracking Job MMC...and yes, this thermite angle is an extremely productive one
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Then you'll just love this shot of the event...
I have a new video angle on the molten copper. This video zooms into the corner whilst the building is collapsing. You can see a fireball from the possible explosion of an oxygen tank, but you can also see this burning mass of metallic material pouring from the side of at least 4 windows as the building crumbles...
We also observe how the building was pulled inwards, as though someone had blown the columns on the basement floor causing the core to collapse like a dart...pulling inwards the exterior columns.
Part 2: 11th September 2001 & Molten Copper
http://www.gieis.uni.cc/evidence/part2/index.html
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Didn't work when I tried it this morning...
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The sites are working. If you are having any problems viewing the videos, you may need to adjust your ActiveX security options of your browser to prompt you.
If you cannot access the main site here:
http://www.gieis.uni.cc/
There is an independent Mirror site here:
http://gieis.esmartguy.com/
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Draft 0.0.10 of my site has just been released. I have been forced to reconsider my identification of copper based on new photographic material.
It is now either copper or steel...
Check out the relevant sections:
Part 2: 11th September 2001 & Molten Copper or Molten Steel
http://www.gieis.uni.cc/evidence/part2/index.html
Additional Notes 5: Analysis of Jet fuel as the Source of Molten Copper or Molten Steel on 11th September 2001
http://www.gieis.uni.cc/evidence/ad5/index.html
Also, listen to Professor Steven Jones talk about the physical proof of thermate that has been discovered.
Radio 1: Alex Jones & Professor Steven E. Jones Discuss the Scientific Test Results of WTC Samples that Show the Use of Thermate
http://www.gieis.uni.cc/evidence/radio1/index.html
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| Quote: | We also observe how the building was pulled inwards, as though someone had blown the columns on the basement floor causing the core to collapse like a dart...pulling inwards the exterior columns.
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I have this suspicion that the cores of both Twin Towers were destroyed by massive blasts from basement level that shot right up the elevator shafts and sucked the rest of the building down - like a vacuum cleaner.
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| After watching the Brainiac sequence that clearly shows that thermite can turn steel to dust or molten metal, I'm happy to surrender wilder theories. Thanks for that |
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After watching the Brainiac sequence that clearly shows that thermite can turn steel to dust or molten metal, I'm happy to surrender wilder theories. Thanks for that
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Once you see that it is so easy, it does give you a better perspective.
For those that want to watch the video, it runs directly from my site:
Video 2: Thermite Explained
http://www.gieis.uni.cc/evidence/vid2/index.html
Now let's begin filling in some of the blanks:
Inside the WTC it was a basic office fire...how it was started, or what state the building was in after the impact is irrelevent...
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"The jet fuel, which ignited the fires, was mostly consumed within the first few minutes after impact. The fires that burned for almost the entire time that the buildings remained standing were due mainly to burning building contents and, to a lesser extent, aircraft contents, not jet fuel."
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Key Findings of NIST’s June 2004 Progress Report on the Federal Building and Fire Safety Investigation of the World Trade Center Disaster
http://wtc.nist.gov/progress_report_june04/appendixq.pdf
We know the impact of the plane did not do major structural damage...
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Following impact, the WTC towers displayed and withstood vibrational forces that were as much as half the levels (in extreme wind conditions) for which the buildings were designed.
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Key Findings of NIST’s June 2004 Progress Report on the Federal Building and Fire Safety Investigation of the World Trade Center Disaster
http://wtc.nist.gov/progress_report_june04/appendixq.pdf
Looking at NIST's working hypothesis, I find only a single element that I disagree with...
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1. Aircraft impact damage to perimeter columns with redistribution of column loads to adjacent perimeter columns and to the core columns via the hat truss;
2. After breaching the building’s exterior, the aircraft continued to penetrate into the buildings, damaging core columns with redistribution of column loads to other intact core and perimeter columns via the hat truss and floor systems;
3. The subsequent fires, influenced by post-impact condition of the fireproofing, further weakened columns and floor systems (including those that had been damaged by aircraft impact), triggering additional local failures that ultimately led to column instability;
4. Initiation and horizontal progression of column instability ensued when redistributing loads could not be accommodated any further. The collapses then ensued.
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http://wtc.nist.gov/progress_report_june04/appendixq.pdf
I'm not in a position to agree with point 3, as no one has provided any solid evidence of how a basic office fire can weaken or soften ASTM E119 certified steel with temperatures ranging from 250C-600C. No other high-rise building, before or after 9/11 has ever collapsed from fire, indicating that the working hypothesis adopted by NIST was inappropriate.
Without such evidence, the claim that fires collapsed the WTC is on par with pseudo-science such as 'Intelligent Design'.
It calls for faith on behalf of the reader...
The NIST report has a "missing link" in its hypothesis...no such missing link occurs with the thermite/explosives hypothesis.
NIST only had 236 samples of the steel from the WTC. These samples only show temperatures of between 250C-600C. We can demonstrate that higher temperatures were present in isolated areas thanks to the photos and videos. As NIST does not have any samples which reached these high temperatures, NIST cannot provide any physical evidence to say how these high temperatures were reached.
NIST is unable to rule out the explosive/thermite theory without physical evidence. Thus, from a scientific perspective, both theories have equal validity.
When we add to this, the findings from the preliminary analysis of WTC metal by Professor Steven Jones, which shows the by-products associated with a thermate reaction. Then it becomes even more difficult to rule out.
As for a Eutectic reaction playing a role, the problem with this theory is the physical requirements. It takes a specific ppm (parts per million) to lower the melting point and liquify enough steel, in order to cause extensive damage. As a surface attack, the required material would need to be continously replenished to strip away surface layer, after surface layer, from the exposed surface of the steel.
Thus, making it near impossible for it to happen naturally as the airborne ppm was only increased once, during the initial impact. What's important to note is that this does not rule out the deliberate introduction of a 'eutectic' into the atmosphere of the WTC.
The bottom line is that the use of explosive/thermate cannot be ruled out, as well as the deliberate introduction of chemicals to catalyse the event.
Comparative analysis show the material pouring from the side of WTC 2, for at least 12 minutes prior to the collapse, to be steel or copper...
9:53am Sept 11th 2001 - WTC 2
Reference Image for Copper
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Reference Image for Aluminium
I have not seen any physical evidence that suggests otherwise...
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Draft 0.0.13 of my site is now online. I have created a section for movies related to 9/11 that carry the most important information:
The Background Information - Movie Length (1 hour +)
Movie 1: Everybody's Gotta Learn Sometime v1.0
This film is a great place to start. It is a populist piece that provides a different viewpoint of 9/11 and the surrounding events. Rather than going into extreme details that would take hours to present, it gives a quick overview of the main issues.
http://www.gieis.uni.cc/evidence/mov1/index.html
Movie 2: Dr. Michel Chossudosky: War and Globalization - The Truth Behind September 11
This is nearly a 2 hours lecture on the various wars America has been involved in and the connection to 9/11. As well as detailed discussions on American culture, politics and social infrastructure, it also provides a view on the military and its connection to corporate America.
If you want to understand 9/11, this is a must see.
http://www.gieis.uni.cc/evidence/mov2/index.html
Movie 3: The Truth & Lies of 9/11 (former L.A. Police)
This film is a presentation given by a former L.A. Police Officer. In this presentation, he provides the viewer with an overview of the financial and business connections of the CIA and major corporations, as well as their connections to drugtrafficing, money laundering and arms trafficing.
Again, if you want to understand 9/11, this is a must see.
http://www.gieis.uni.cc/evidence/mov3/index.html
Movie 4: 9/11 In Plane Site - The Director's Cut
This is mainly a discussion on the impacts and the various anomolies that have not been provided with adaquate explanation.
http://www.gieis.uni.cc/evidence/mov4/index.html
Movie 5: 9/11 Eye-Witness
Unbelievable. This is raw footage of the collapse of the WTC, along with scientific analysis of the video evidence.
This will certainly make you think twice...powerful material.
One of the best available movies on 9/11...watch this.
http://www.gieis.uni.cc/evidence/mov5/index.html
Or just visit the homepage to browse the rest of the scientific material.
http://www.gieis.uni.cc/
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One Actor, One Room, Seven Characters: 9/11.
Traumatized by the September 11th attacks, one man struggles to dismantle official history, at the expense of his sanity and even his life. Grappling with multiple realities - and multiple personalities - he must retreat into his mind in pursuit of the truth. In a fictional film about non-fictional events, there is a place where belief and faith will blind you, where nothing is sacred, and to get there all you have to do is ask:
"Who Killed John O'Neill?"
a dead art film by ty rauber and ryan thurston
Movie 10: Who Killed John O'Neill?
http://www.gieis.uni.cc/evidence/mov10/index.html
http://www.wkjo.com/
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Storax Sedan 104 Kt Shallow Underground Nuclear Detonation
Still think the collapse of the WTC looks like a "gravity collapse"?
If you do, then show me a picture of this similar event...
What's that? You can't?
Then, who told you that the WTC looked like "gravity"?
...or was this "suggested" to you by someone you "trust"?
That's what we call post-hypnotic suggestion.
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