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http://www.underthecarpet.co.uk/Pages/NewsArticle.php?num=3378
'Lyrical terrorist' convicted over hate records
Guardian 8/11/07
| Quote: | A 23-year-old Heathrow airport worker who dubbed herself the "lyrical terrorist" today became the first woman to be convicted under the government's anti-terror legislation.
Samina Malik, who burst into tears on hearing the verdict, wrote poems entitled How To Behead and The Living Martyrs and stocked a "library" of documents useful to terrorists.
On the social networking site Hi5 she listed her interests as: "Helping the mujaheddin in any way which I can ... I am well known as lyrical terrorist."
The jury at the Old Bailey found Malik guilty by a majority of 10 to one of possessing records likely to be used for terrorism.
Judge Peter Beaumont, the Recorder of London, bailed Malik on "house arrest" and ordered reports into her family background ahead of the sentencing on December 6, warning her that jail remained a possibility.
"You have been, in many respects, a complete enigma to me," he told her.
Malik, who worked at WH Smith at the airport, was arrested in October last year. When her bedroom was searched police found a ringbinder full of documents as well as a bracelet bearing the word "jihad".
There was also a sticker on a mirror inside the door, bearing the words "lyrical terrorist".
In one handwritten document found by police, she wrote: "I want to have the death of a shaheed [martyr] ... I want the opportunity to take part in the blessed sacred duty of jihad."
Also found were publications from an Islamist extremist group called Followers of Ahl us-Sunnah Wal-Jammaa'ah, linked to another group, The Saved Sect, and to the extremist cleric Sheikh Omar Bakri.
In a box file in the family lounge was a printed version of the "declaration of war" by Osama bin Laden.
One of Malik's poems, entitled The Living Martyrs, said: "Let us make Jihad/ Move to the front line/ To chop chop head of kuffar swine".
A second poem was called How to Behead. "It's not as messy or as hard as some may think/ It's all about the flow of the wrist," it read.
The Mujaheddin Poisoner's Handbook, Encyclopaedia Jihad, How To Win In Hand To Hand Combat, and How To Make Bombs and Sniper Manual were found on her computer.
The court heard Malik joined an extremist organisation called Jihad Way, set up explicitly to disseminate terrorist propaganda and support for al Qaida.
Jonathan Sharp, prosecuting, said she was an "unlikely" but "committed" Islamic extremist: "She had a library of material that she had collected for terrorist purposes. That collection would be extremely useful for someone planning terrorist activity."
But Malik, of Townsend Road, Southall, west London, told the jury: "I am not a terrorist." She claimed to have used the nickname "lyrical terrorist" because she thought it was "cool".
Malik was convicted of possessing records likely to be useful in terrorism under the Terrorism Act 2000. She was earlier cleared by a jury of a separate count of possessing an article for terrorism. |
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just shows that some people want to be the patsies. she obviously didnt read David R Griffin or M.Ruppert on how the cia funded the printing and dissemination of violent so called islamic views (but in actual fact certain trends within islam and christianity have been hijacked by those with a new world order agenda that seek to use religion to justify violence in order divide and rule us )in schools in pakistan and how the cia funded trained and set up al queda!
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Could this be an iminant end to Black Metal and or other forms of Metal and expression??
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they arrest this woman for her terror literature yet they do nothing to prevent or arrest torturers of prisoners in iraq or to arrest the murderers of jean charles demenezes. same old hypocrisy.
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Jared Israel quote the Washington Post as a source for some of this:
http://emperors-clothes.com/news/abc.htm
| Quote: | The Jihad Schoolbook Scandal...
Why has the US been Shipping Muslim Extremist Schoolbooks into Afghanistan...for 20 Years?
And why is President Bush hiding it?
By Jared Israel
[Posted 9 April 2002]
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Have you heard about the Afghan Jihad schoolbook scandal?
Or perhaps I should say, "Have you heard about the Afghan Jihad schoolbook scandal that's waiting to happen?"
Because it has been almost unreported in the Western media that the US government shipped, and continues to ship, millions of Islamist textbooks into Afghanistan. (Islamist
Only one English-speaking newspaper we could find has investigated this issue: the Washington Post. The story appeared March 23rd. (1)
Washington Post investigators report that during the past twenty years the US has spent millions of dollars producing fanatical schoolbooks, which were then distributed in Afghanistan.
"The primers, which were filled with talk of jihad and featured drawings of guns, bullets, soldiers and mines, have served since then [i.e., since the violent destruction of the Afghan secular government in the early 1990s] as the Afghan school system's core curriculum. Even the Taliban used the American-produced books..." -- Washington Post, 23 March 2002 (1)
According to the Post the U.S. is now "...wrestling with the unintended consequences of its successful strategy of stirring Islamic fervor to fight communism."
So the books made up the core curriculum in Afghan schools. And what were the unintended consequences? The Post reports that according to unnamed officials the schoolbooks "steeped a generation in [Islamist] violence."
How could this result have been unintended? Did they expect that giving fundamentalist schoolbooks to schoolchildren would make them moderate Muslims?
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Nobody with normal intelligence could expect to distribute millions of violent Islamist schoolbooks without influencing school children towards violent Islamism. Therefore one would assume that the unnamed US officials who, we are told, are distressed at these "unintended consequences" must previously have been unaware of the Islamist content of the schoolbooks.
But surely someone was aware. The US government can't write, edit, print and ship millions of violent, Muslim fundamentalist primers into Afghanistan without high officials in the US government approving those primers.
So if the books weren't supposed to be Islamist, that is if their fanatical content contradicted US policy in Afghanistan, shouldn't the mass media and top politicians, such as President George Bush, now be calling for an investigation? Shouldn't they be demanding to know the identity of the official or officials who subverted the intended US policy by flooding Afghanistan with jihad primers?
Indeed, considering the disastrous consequences, shouldn't US officials and the media be questioning the very practice of violating the sovereignty of other countries by distributing millions of Islamic fundamentalist schoolbooks?
Yet using the media search engine, Lexis-Nexis, we could find no evidence that any mainstream Western newspaper, other than the Washington Post, nor any TV station or government leader ever questioned, let alone denounced, the export of millions of Islamist schoolbooks to Afghanistan.
Quite the contrary.
For example here's what the Boston Globe wrote in an article about the obstacles to education in Afghanistan, a year after the US invasion:
"The obstacles to accomplishing that goal are enormous. What few schools impoverished Afghanistan once had - about 2,000 - are now all virtually destroyed, pummeled by gunfire or turned into refugee camps. Teachers here have not been paid for months, even years. Those schoolbooks that still exist are pro-Taliban screeds and deemed unusable.
-- Elizabeth Neuffer in the Boston Globe, March 17, 2002 (1A)
The article implies that the unusable textbooks were produced by and for the Taliban - "pro-Taliban screeds." The author, Elizabeth Neuffer, is the Globe's UN Bureau Chief. Surely she must know that the textbooks in question were made in USA and that the US is continuing to ship Islamist textbooks into Afghanistan. Instead of exposing the scandal that the US promotes Muslim fanaticism in Afghanistan, she misrepresents the books and misleads her readers.
Other newspapers spun more elaborate lies. Here is the Daily Telegraph from Sydney, Australia:
[Daily Telegraph Excerpt starts here]
"AFGHAN children ran, skipped and dawdled to their classrooms like pupils everywhere yesterday for the start of a new school year -- with girls and women teachers back in class and subjects like math replacing the Islamic dogma of the Taliban.
"In a symbolic break from a war-scarred past, children opened new textbooks written by Afghan scholars based at universities in the US.
"There are even pictures of people -- images banned by the fundamentalist Taliban."
- The Daily Telegraph (Sydney), March 25, 2002 (1B)
[Daily Telegraph Excerpt ends here]
By beginning the article with the irrelevant but cheery image - "Afghan children ran, skipped and dawdled...[etc]." - the Telegraph prepares us for an upbeat news experience. We are not disappointed. We are told that in the new textbooks:
"There are even pictures of people -- images banned by the fundamentalist Taliban."
Again we get the impression that the Taliban were responsible for the bad old texts but due to the US invasion "children opened new textbooks...".
Unfortunately, as the Washington Post investigators reported:
"Even the Taliban used the American-produced books, though the radical movement scratched out human faces in keeping with its strict fundamentalist code." -- Washington Post, March 23, 2002
Other than their objections to the human face, the Taliban were perfectly happy with the US-produced primers.
As if presenting evidence of a sea change, the Telegraph tells that now Afghan children have schoolbooks "written by Afghan scholars based at universities in the US."
Similarly, an article five weeks earlier in the Omaha World-Herald declares that, "Afghanistan stands at least a chance of hauling a modern, healthy society up out of the ashes of war and oppression," partly because University of Nebraska at Omaha "officials and staffers" will be "cranking up their presses in neighboring Pakistan" to churn out schoolbooks, all funded by "a $ 6.5 million grant from the U.S. Agency for International Development [AID]." (1C)
Neither newspaper mentions that the bad *old* schoolbooks "were developed in the early 1980s under an AID grant to the University of Nebraska-Omaha and its Center for Afghanistan Studies." -- Washington Post, March 23, 2002)
What about the US government? Have any US congressmen demanded an investigation to find out who in the US government was involved in the production of jihad primers that "steeped a generation in [Islamist] violence"?
No they have not. |
There's also a few references to the Mujahadeen Poisons handbook being a direct translation of an English book somewhere . . .
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I don't doubt it, now together with USA, and key states in Europe including the UK have been exporting their Rot globally for quite some time now!!
Genocide has never been far from these shores ever sadly and to be honest I see many looking towards USA as a scapegoat to all foreign ills when we should be looking closer to home.
I stick with Brian Haw on this we need to look in the mirror to make changes, there is no change without it!!
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More on Afghan textbooks:
In Rhetoric vs Reality, part 3 of their excellent book, Bleeding Afghanistan, Sonali Kolhatkar and James Ingalls write in the chapter titled the Propaganda of Silence: p211 -
| Quote: | Another example of the New York Times printing false accusations against the Taliban that could have been levelled at the United States, concerns children's education. A March 2002 article, " 'A' for Afghan, 'S' for Schoolgirl," lauded the generosity of the US government and corporations in donating money to purchase school supplies and textbooks for girls' education in post-Taliban Afghanistan. One passage described a project to edit old textbooks:
| Quote: | | Copies of more than 175 different textbooks for science, math and reading for all levels in both Dari and Pashto were distributed through grants from USAID (U.S Agency for International Development], Unicef and the University of Nebraska. Nearly five million more are on the way from printing plants in Pakistan. "Our biggest obstacle was editing the material," said Bear McConnell, director of USAID's central Asia Task Force. The source materials were from Afghan textbooks printed since the 1960's and altered over the years by different regimes. Under the Taliban, photographs of people, especially girls, were excised, and anti-Soviet propaganda was added, he said [emphasis added]. |
The passage amounts to a generous rewriting of history in favor of the U.S government, USAID, and the University of Nebraska. In truth, the anti-Soviet propaganda was in books from the beginning, when they were originally published from 1984 to 1994 under a $51 million USAID grant to the University of Nebraska's Center for Afghanistan Studies, headed by Thomas Goutierre. The USAID spokesperson quoted in the New York Times article must have known about the earlier project, but chose not to mention it. It was not the Taliban, but the U.S taxpayer that was responsible for unsavory content like the following problem in a fourth-grade mathematics text:
| Quote: | | The speed of a Kalashnikov bullet is 800 meters per second. If a Russian is at a distance of 3,200 meters from a mujahid, and that mujahid aims at the Russian's head, calculate how many seconds it will take for the bullet to strike the Russian in the forehead |
At around the same time as the New York Times report, USAID officials told the Washington Post that in the U.S. sponsored books, "Children were taught to count with illustrations showing tanks, missiles and land mines". |
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| Quote: | The Mujahideen Poisons Handbook has been debunked as a training manual. It is real and attributed to a jihadist, but it contains nothing of practical use, unless you consider its value as low bowel humor. As evidence, it recommends the production of botulism toxin by the method of throwing meat and excrement into a jar. "Use 1.5 to 2 spatulas of fresh horse dropping ( . . . cow dropping can be used if horse is not available.)"
"Leave the jar in a dark warm place . . . After ten days, if the preparation has been successful," and it won't have been, "MEDICAL GLOVES, A GAS MASK, A HEAD COVER AND A FULL BODY COVER IS ESSENTIAL." |
This is brilliant !
| Quote: | Even more to the point for the sake of discussion is this entry, again from the Mujahideen Poisons Handbook, on the production of laughing gas:
"Can be obtained by heating (better not include that bit just in case) between 250 to 260 degrees [the jihadist "chemist" doesn't know much about this elementary procedure] . In a closed room your victim will laugh to death." |
| Quote: | But readers should know by now that the Mujahideen Poisons Handbook takes its recipes and others from Maxwell Hutchkinson's The Poisoners Handbook, published in the United States in the Eighties.
And that book, which has been thoroughly combed through by this writer, contains nothing of value to terrorists.
It paints fantasies about killing the Pope with toxic rosary beads and poisoning government employees with letters soaked in invisible toxins.
Its recipes are not reproducible because they are trivial nonsense.
"Botulism is fun and easy to make," writes Hutchkinson, and he was taken at his word by many, including Abdel-Aziz, the author of the Mujahideen Poisons Handbook. |
Nothiing of value to terrorists eh ?, unless, of course you happen to be charged with having one in the UK and to be "defended" by MASONIC FILTH.
http://www.dickdestiny.com/blog/2006/06/horse-dropping-or-cow-dropping -more.html
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This is quoted from The Jamestown Foundation: Global Terrorism Analysis.
http://www.jamestown.org/terrorism/news/article.php?articleid=2369759
| Quote: | | Another posting on the same forum in January provided no less than 64 detailed recipes for explosives production, including the full text of what it terms the "Mujahideen Terrorist Handbook", an American publication which lists, among other things, ‘Buying explosives and propellants', ‘useful household chemicals and availability', ‘preparation of chemicals', ‘explosives recipes,' ‘ignition devices', ‘lists of suppliers' and a ‘checklist for raids on labs', prioritizing the materials to be stolen. |
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This from the Washington Post:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2005/08/05/GR2005 080501177.html
| Quote: | Explosives Handbook
Written in English, the "Mujahideen Explosives Handbook" is an 83-page manual with detailed instructions on manufacturing assembling a wide range of explosives and explosive devices. |
Here's a picture of the front cover.
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This from Global Security:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2005/050808-qaeda-germwar.htm
| Quote: | Chemist Derides Qaeda Germwar Skills Touted by Manual
In-Depth Coverage
By Jeff Stein
"The Mujahideen Poisons Handbook," which purports to explain how to manufacture "betaluminum poison" and other gruesome biological warfare agents, may actually contain good news for Americans worried about the specter of terrorists unleashing biological warfare, the Federation of American Scientists (FAS) said Monday.
There is no such thing as betaluminum poison.
"The word appears to be a corruption of 'botulinum'. Nor would the proffered production method - combining fresh horse manure, meat, grain and water in a sealed jar - yield much more than a stinky mess," said FAS's Steven Aftergood in Monday's Secrecy News.
"The first time I saw ['The Mujahideen Poisons Handbook']," George Smith of GlobalSecurity.org, who holds a Ph.D. from Lehigh University, was quoted as saying, "I thought it must be a hoax."
"Careful examination of the document shows that it is crammed with errors, seemingly the work of someone with little discernible sense, profoundly ignorant of the nature of simple compounds and incompetent in even minor [laboratory] procedures," Smith wrote in GlobalSecurity.org's National Security Notes in March 2004.
The "betaluminum poison" was cited in The Washington Post's lead Sunday story, "Terrorists Turn to the Web as Base of Operations," as the kind of information al Qaeda followers can access on the Internet.
"The quality of the text is so poor," Smith continued, "it would be humorous if it were not attached to a preface which puts on the airs of a sinister man confessing a wish to pass on an esoteric and dangerous technical capability to sympathizers. (Indeed, since the material is so shaky it cannot be entirely ruled out that it was fabricated as a hoax or written by a total know-nothing simply wishing to create an impression of menace. If the latter, the person was successful.)"
Stink Bombs
One of the "weapons" whose manufacture is described in "The Mujahideen Poisons Handbook" is no more than an old-fashioned "stink bomb," Smith wrote last year.
"[While] there is little point to describing the handbook in fine detail, one recipe for poison gas was nothing more than the procedure - also with mistakes - for making a stink bomb, one often included in chemistry sets sold to young boys in the early Sixties." Its author, "Abdel-Aziz," proclaims it can "kill a person only [sic]" in 30 seconds.
The manual's recipe for making the deadly substance ricin was similarly flawed, Smith said.
"It is good news that these al Qaeda and terrorist training manuals purporting to contain recipes for ricin show no capability. And frankly speaking, if they are to be taken at face value they indicate a shortage in critical thinking and capability on the part of their respective authors."
Smith advised media organizations to be more skeptical about claims for al Qaeda prowess in biological weapons. |
Kill a man in 30 seconds eh ?
Maybe, Alistair Campbell wrote it !
So, if all of this is true, how can you be convicted of being in possession of something that might be useful to terrorists when it clearly isn't ?
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From an article in the Independent about Abu Hamza.
| Quote: | Before his arrest in 2004, Abu Hamza was a man who presented two faces to his adopted country. When police arrived at his terraced house in Shepherds' Bush, at 3am two years ago, with an extradition warrant, their attention was drawn to two items in the sitting room. On a bookshelf and written in Arabic script was the Encyclopedia of Afghani Jihad - an 11-volume tome described by detectives as a "manual of terrorism".
The second was a framed certificate attesting to the holder's membership of the Institution of Civil Engineers in Whitehall.
The focus at the preacher's Old Bailey trial was on the encyclopedia, which formed the basis of a charge of possessing an item likely to be useful to a terrorist. Based on CIA training manuals provided to mujahedin fighters in the 1980s, the tome and its dedication to Osama bin Laden was described by the cleric as a gift from his time in Afghanistan. |
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_20060208/ai_n16042614/ print
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Thanks to Sinclair at J7
Relevant article from The Spectator on that J7 thread too.
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Common sense prevails.
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| Quote: | Last Updated: Thursday, 6 December 2007, 11:31 GMT
Terror manuals woman avoids jail
Samina Malik (Pic: Met Police)
Samina Malik posted extremist poems on the internet
Malik statement
A woman who called herself a "Lyrical Terrorist" has been given a nine-month suspended jail sentence.
Samina Malik, 23, from Southall, west London, had worked at a branch of WH Smith at Heathrow Airport.
She was found guilty at the Old Bailey of owning terrorist pamphlets, including The Al-Qaeda Manual.
The jury was told a "library" of extremist Islamist literature was found in her bedroom and Malik had written poems praising Osama Bin Laden.
Malik is the first woman to be convicted under the Terrorism Act 2000.
Her sentence is suspended for 18 months and she will have to carry out 100 hours of unpaid work in the community. She will also be under supervision for the whole 18 months.
She had earlier been found not guilty of the more serious charge, under Section 57 of the Act, of possessing an article for a terrorist purpose. She denied the charges.
Adopted nickname
Malik had posted her poems on websites under the screen name the Lyrical Terrorist, prosecutors said.
She said the poems were "meaningless", but prosecutor Jonathan Sharp said: "These communications strongly indicate Samina Malik was deeply involved with terrorist-related groups."
The court also heard she had written on the back of a WH Smith till receipt: "The desire within me increases every day to go for martyrdom."
Malik told the jury she only adopted her "Lyrical Terrorist" nickname because she thought it was "cool" and insisted she was not a terrorist.
The Recorder of London, Judge Peter Beaumont QC, said Malik's offence was "on the margin".
Samina's so-called poetry was certainly offensive but I don't believe this case should really have been a criminal matter
Muhammed Abdul Bari,
Muslim Council of Britain
Malik 'led double life'
The 'enigma' in the dock
He said: "The Terrorism Act and the restrictions it imposes on personal freedom exist to protect this country, its interest here and abroad, its citizens and those who visit here.
"Its protection embraces us all, its restrictions apply to us all whatever our personal, religious or political beliefs.'
"In my judgement your offence is on the margin of what this crime concerns."
Malik's lawyer, Iqbal Ahmed read a statement on her behalf outside the Old Bailey following the sentencing.
He said: "What she'd like to say is that the trial process has been a terrible ordeal for her, and she's now relieved it's all over.
"The jury found that she did not have the material for terrorist purposes, which was an important part of her case. She now wants to get on with her life."
Not criminal
Secretary-General of the Muslim Council of Britain, Muhammed Abdul Bari, told the Times he did not think the case should have reached court.
"Many young people download objectionable material from the internet, but it seems if you are a Muslim then this could lead to criminal charges, even if you have absolutely no intention to do harm to anyone else.
"Samina's so-called poetry was certainly offensive but I don't believe this case should really have been a criminal matter."
A Crown Prosecution Service spokesperson said: "Samina Malik was not prosecuted for writing poetry.
"Ms Malik was convicted of collecting information, without reasonable excuse, of a kind likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism.
"This information included terrorism and poison handbooks as well as military manuals and other material likely to be useful to someone planning terrorist activity." |
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Samina Malik is the first woman to be convicted under the Terrorism Act 2000.
She was found guilty (10-2) on Section 58 TACT 2000 charges on 8.11.7
She was charged on 9.11 (2006) having been arrested on 27.10.6
She was sentenced today, 6.12.7 which gives (yet another) 119 pattern since arrest (YMD)
Probably just another coincidence . . .
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| Glad she wasn't jailed, it would have been disproportionate, but if you look at the text of her 'poems' she's scum, wishing ordinary people dead because they don't share her crackpot religious beliefs.
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| PaulStott wrote: | | Glad she wasn't jailed, it would have been disproportionate, but if you look at the text of her 'poems' she's scum, wishing ordinary people dead because they don't share her crackpot religious beliefs. |
Check out the History of Black Metal and other forms of (Punk, Hip Hop and Metal for that matter) and view my concerns http://www.terrorizer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3882
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I think those looking to target youth sub-cultures may have learned something from the old Tipper Gore campaigns in the 1980s against Metal - they just don't work.
As vile as Samina Malik is, that's also why I'm glad she wasn't jailed - it would have been counter-productive.
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Samina Malik was the first woman to be convicted under the Terrorism Act 2000
At the time, until her successful appeal, it was another, non-legal, but nice to have anyway, "female terrorism" meme.
Setting yet another, new, gender-based precedent for the noxious Terrorism Act, as they worked their way through it, section by odious section, creating precedents, for future judicial reference, under our precedence-based legal system.
Acts of Law are just pieces of paper under our legal system, until they are successfully tested in court.
Once they have been successfully tested in court, they then become legal precedents for reference in future cases.
These precedents remain set in judicial stone, until they are successfully challenged.
Hence the litany of "cases", created to test each and every charge that can be brought under each and every section of the Act.
Ditto for every flavour of Terrorism Act, enacted since.
As soon as a new offence is introduced by an Act of Law, you will see at least one test case created, often out of thin air, for each and every section of the Act, simply to set the precedent.
That's how judicial based pogroms show themselves.
These "terrorist cases" are manufactured, facilitated and encouraged by the Secret State enabled by the usual mix of some genuine wannabe Jihadists and others who are either mentally retarded, cajoled, blackmailed, drugged, double agents etc., and bingo, you have your cases.
If you are not cognisant of those simple facts about the reason for many of these past events, then I'd advise you to do some reading.
If you are not also cognisant of the fact that these cases are planned, timed and executed according to this agenda and schedule then you are missing a fundamental aspect of said pogrom.
These people are not only, often being fitted up or framed, when they are being fitted up, they are being framed, for the most part, according to a timetable.
So, whilst you're maybe debating the finer points of skyscraper disintegration, or chasing another wrong rabbit down another wrong hole by being misdirected, intimidated and confused by those who are practiced and educated in the art of deceit and obfuscation, someone, somewhere, is ticking another judicial box in a long list of judicial boxes.
The first ever, permanent Terrorism Legislation in the history of these islands was the result of a plagiarised concoction of Bibi Netanyahu's "visionary books" on the subject, which produced the Likudite :
Tory initiated, Lord Lloyd of Berwick / ESRC & Neo-Con funded / RAND Zio-boy Dr Bruce Hoffman & CSTPV St. Andrews - Prof. Paul Wilkinson - authored, Terrorism Act 2000
Maybe now you can see why that odious opportunist and vainglorious fraud, Princess Bliar, was first tasked to put Northern Ireland to bed.
We had Irish terrorism for 30 odd years without the need for permanent terrorism legislation. Yet, as soon as the "Irish problem" was considered to be over and done with, we got permanent terrorism legislation.
We now know why. Don't we.
We also know that Lord Lloyd of Berwick was tasked to look at the issue as long ago as December 1995.
It is most curious when you consider that hundreds of actual, real-life convicted (and no doubt framed) bombers, gunmen, racketeers and murderers were released from prison, en-masse in Northern Ireland, as a result of Princess Bliar's "statesmanship", whilst teenagers like Samina Malik, sitting at a till bored stupid in W H Smith, at an airport of course, faced imprisonment for doodling on the back of a till receipt.
Such is the mindset of the likes of Bibi Netanyahu and their craven, fawning ilk in our governments and agencies of the Secret State.
Northern Irish terrorism was but a sideshow to what was about to occur and besides, Northern Irish resistance to occupation or "Terrorism" although in large part funded on one side by the residents of our "special friends" in the USA, didn't impact on the USA and Israel.
However, Islamic resistance to war and occupation or "Terrorism" does affect the USA and Israel and with the new, planned "clash of civilisations" it would also start to affect Canada, the UK, Australia and everyone else who decided to take part.
If that resistance did not materialise organically then it would have to be manufactured.
Hence the need for the new, permanent legislation as the judicial web to catch and punish the new flies, in all of the countries mentioned.
So. To my point about the Samina Malik case:
Samina Malik's "case" was another episode, in the long-running schedule of manufactured soap opera, designed to bedazzle and condition the masses and satisfy the hunger for victims in the ongoing pogrom against the current, enemy of choice, Muslims.
Judging by her successful appeal however, the insular, inward looking toads at Thames House and their MPS foot soldiers, overplayed their hand somewhat.
It is this endemic insularity that both cripples their efforts and reveals their hidden hand. Always running the risk of misjudging the mood of the public and our lamentable excuse of a Parliament. An unavoidable consequence of the requisite contemptuous arrogance, messianic zeal and of living, breathing and believing your own propaganda.
Perhaps "Jonathan" you should consider floating your ideas among a few focus groups first.
That way you might improve your success rate and your credibility might, just might, be elevated beyond that of a failed, miserable, second rate spook with a multi-billion pound budget.
As it stands, you're a laughing stock with fewer and fewer folk believing anything you or your contemptuous little bunch do.
Just as that till receipt, ultimately proved.
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letthemeatmadeiracake
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| Mark Gobell wrote: | Maybe now you can see why that odious opportunist and vainglorious fraud, Princess Bliar, was first tasked to put Northern Ireland to bed.
We had Irish terrorism for 30 odd years without the need for permanent terrorism legislation. Yet, as soon as the "Irish problem" was considered to be over and done with, we got permanent terrorism legislation.
We now know why. Don't we. |
Thank you for articulating so well what I have thought for nearly a decade.
| Quote: | We also know that Lord Lloyd of Berwick was tasked to look at the issue as long ago as December 1995.
It is most curious when you consider that hundreds of actual, real-life convicted (and no doubt framed) bombers, gunmen, racketeers and murderers were released from prison, en-masse in Northern Ireland, as a result of Princess Bliar's "statesmanship", whilst teenagers like Samina Malik, sitting at a till bored stupid in W H Smith, at an airport of course, faced imprisonment for doodling on the back of a till receipt. |
Crazy eh 
| Quote: | Northern Irish terrorism was but a sideshow to what was about to occur and besides, Northern Irish resistance to occupation or "Terrorism" although in large part funded on one side by the residents of our "special friends" in the USA, didn't impact on the USA and Israel.
However, Islamic resistance to war and occupation or "Terrorism" does affect the USA and Israel and with the new, planned "clash of civilisations" it would also start to affect Canada, the UK, Australia and everyone else who decided to take part.
If that resistance did not materialise organically then it would have to be manufactured.
Hence the need for the new, permanent legislation as the judicial web to catch and punish the new flies, in all of the countries mentioned. |
Cool analysis 
| Quote: | If you are not cognisant of those simple facts about the reason for many of these past events, then I'd advise you to do some reading.
If you are not also cognisant of the fact that these cases are planned, timed and executed according to this agenda and schedule then you are missing a fundamental aspect of said pogrom.
These people are not only, often being fitted up or framed, when they are being fitted up, they are being framed, for the most part, according to a timetable.
So, whilst you're maybe debating the finer points of skyscraper disintegration, or chasing another wrong rabbit down another wrong hole by being misdirected, intimidated and confused by those who are practiced and educated in the art of deceit and obfuscation, someone, somewhere, is ticking another judicial box in a long list of judicial boxes. |
Great analysis.
Why are you suspended?
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I was wondering the same thing.Someone has probably taken offence on Noel's behalf,I see he responded well and was seemingly un-offended:
http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=144190#144190
There you go.
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| Skeptic wrote: | interesting
what is the evidence of CIA funding and dissminating violent (false) Islamic materials? |
After asking for evidence, 'skeptic' exhibits a deafening silence when massive evidence is proffered.
Cat got your tongue (or typing finger/s), 'skeptic'?
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