LIHOP or MIHOP - does it matter?

[andrewwatson]

I hope you will all excuse the simple stuff but this is from my new Blog. Any thoughts?

Andrew W


Monday, June 12, 2006

To boldly falter...
What is wrong with the 911 Truth movement in the States? You would think that in the land of the Neo-cons, opposition to the Official Conspiracy Theory would be at its most passionate and revolutionary. Far from it. At the recent Chicago conference the delegates listened to a stirring rallying cry by Webster Tarpley, calling for a full acceptance of complicity in the events of Sepember 11th, 2001. This is called MIHOP (Made it Happen On Purpose). Was it supported by the conference organisers, the magisterial 911Truth.org?
No.
Why not?
Because 911Truth.org contains several prominent LIHOPpers - people who basically accept the government's story of what happened but think they did nothing to stop it happening. The towers fell because of burning furniture. There were no bombs planted. The explosions heard by Rick Siegel and many others were cars catching fire, or maybe bodies hitting the ground.

I mean - are these people serious? Yes. they are, and in my opinion they should not be in the Truth movement. Their presence undermines and confuses those who look to us for leadership and support. 911 truth is about uncovering the web of deceit and intrigue that still lies around an act of murder. It is not about manslaughter, which is how the LIHOP case would be construed by the courts.

There is a huge logical flaw in LIHOP. Planes by themselves do not bring down steel -framed buildings. Yet, in LIHOP, we must accept either that the Arab Terrorists planted the bombs in the towers themselves - and detonated them by remote control - or else that the administration expected, in the face of all past experience, that the towers would collapse. Neither possibility is remotely realistic.

So much for motive. Now. the crux of the issue is the overwhelming body of evidence, ear- and eye-witness, confirming the fact of explosions taking place before the towers collapsed. There is the physical evidence - often described as insufficiently hard - but enough to convince most juries. There are the videos of the collapse of wct7 and the North Tower and the satellite pictures of 'hot-spots' days after the fires had burnt out. Not to mention the total lack of any forensic samples of the remnants found around the towers. This alone out to be a clincher for MIHOP.

One leading and very visible activist does not like to talk about Controlled Demolition. Presumably he is worried that his Science is inadequate to answer doubters. Well, my science is non-existent but I can read, and I can quote Dr David Ray Griffin's excellent summary, The Destruction of the World Trade Center: Why the official account cannot be true.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=GRI200 60129&articleId=1846
This was the first article I read when I stumbled on the Truth, and it is one of the best . Dr Griffin is a theologian, not a scientist. Unbelievably, there is no mention of this or any other articles by Griffin in 911Truth.org.'s reading room. Indeed, most of the articles listed on this site actually support the official version of why the towers fell.

The world trembles on the brink of an abyss. This is a time for men and women of valour to speak boldly and with conviction. Celebrating uncertainty is no way to win over the masses . Faint heart never did win fair maiden, and if we are not careful it will lose us our freedom forever.

www.shoutfortruth.blogspot.com

[Leiff]

The call must be for a full independent investigation of 9/11 and let the evidence point to either MIHOP or LIHOP.

[MMC]

I couldn't care less if the evidence pointed to hiphop...

A full, independent investigation of 9/11 is required.

[Jayhawk]

as you say Andrew it has to be MIHOP if you really think about it..LIHOP just doesnt make sense. How could 19 Arabs have pulled it off? Incidentally the criticism that it was too big an operation for Bushco to have managed without leaks is counteracted by their own story that it was a small operation conducted from Afghanistan..!!

[kbo234]

[brian]

As ludicrous as the LIHOP is it is perhaps the position many not familiar with the broad base of evidence would feel more comfortable with and allow them to support the call for an independent inquiry.

Many more Americans now would be open to the Bush admin being capable of such deviance but would still find the idea they actually orchestrated such a crime difficult to handle. So perhaps LIHOP can be seen as the sprat to catch the mackerel type scenario.

Any truly independent inquiry would show how untenable the position is and that is all we can hope for.

[MMC]

Without proper investigation, you cannot claim who was involved.

Investigation first...then MIHOP, LIHOP...HIPHOP...whatever.

[TimmyG]

[MMC]

If you're a MIHOP or an LIHOP at this stage, prior to proper investigation, then you need your head examined. These terms are nothing more than PR buzzwords and have no place in the investigation of 9/11.

[catfish]

Lihop Mihop I agree with MMC: it matters not.
Reproduced below is catfish's main concern right now:

The more I look at 9/11 truth the more I see it as another exercise in problem, reaction, solution.

STOP POINTING FINGERS AT BUSH

THE PEOPLE BEHIND THIS ARE SECRETIVE AND CLEVER

THEY LIVE IN JERSEY AND BERMUDA AND JUST ROUND THE CORNER

THEY LOOK AT THESE SITES AND CHUCKLE TO THEMSELVES HOW EASY IT ALL IS TO CONTROL AN IGNORANT FRIGHTENED POPULATION

DIVIDE AND CONQUER IS THEIR MOTTO AND IT'S VERY EFFECTIVE

BUSH IS A SCAPEGOAT

BE WARY OF ANY SITE WHICH REFUSES TO LOOK BEYOND THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION

BE WARY OF ANYONE WHO ONLY POINTS THEIR FINGERS AT ONE GROUP

that's my twopenneth anyway
Dave

[insidejob]

The Bush crime gang would prefer LIHOP because they would away without a criminal indictment.

The big problem with LIHOP is that it affirms the existence of Al Qaida and the threat of violent Islamic fundamentalism. That supports the continued victimisation of Muslims and the continuation of the War on Terror as a means to global domination.

[MMC]

...and the problem with both Lihop, Mihop is that they are essentially labels that do not catagorise the real scenario.

If its an inside job, it is organised crime and syndicates and whether their involvement was direct or indirect, it is individuals involved in criminal acts.