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Dogsmilk
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| ian neal wrote: | Lack of Q&A: c***-up or conspiracy?
The reason the 'chair' allowed Webster to go on was because he was taking his cue for what time it was from the large clock in the hall, which whilst correct at the start of the evening stopped or seriously slowed down during the talk. So in this instance I have to say c***-up |
Stop making excuses. Like the clock conveniently started running slowly during the exact time of the talk. Pull the other one.
If something got in intrepid Larry's way, that can only mean MI5 were responsible. It's likely Annie Machon was secreted inside that clock, periodically turning the big hand backwards, helping her real paymasters stop Larry from asking the tough questions.
Don't forget - it was Larry who warned us about Shayler by totally failing to predict what actually happened and by being totally unable to explain how his current behaviour makes any sense if he still works for MI5. You can't argue with a case that compelling.
You will see it all on a blog no-one reads or is remotely interested in.
Am I the only one who thinks Larry is secretly jealous of people who have actually worked for the security services?
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kbo234
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Perhaps you would like to explain your 'hounding' claim, and back it up with evidence?
Our approach has always been to ask hard questions of messrs Shayler and Machon. Indeed if a few people had copied our approach, you might not have been left with so much egg on your face as Shayler led the 'truth' movement through a succession of embarrassments (No Plane Theory, rampant anti-semitism etc) before his eventual 'collapse'.
and kick them out
That you get into bed with an old red-baiter like WGT shows you have a real nerve questionning anyone else's leftist credentials. This is after all an American writer who boasts of the role he played in getting one of Italy's most important socialists, Toni Negri, jailed.
Perhaps you could tell us whether you agree with WGT's actions or not? |
One person's hard questions might be another person's 'hounding'....but why select these people for special treatment. The fact is that what Annie and David have been saying about 9/11 (and other matters, including those that put David in jail) is substantially true.
IMO the 'no plane theory' that David espoused for some time was a misjudgement and an abberation.......but this does not undo the good work he has done nor undermine the basic assertion of 9/11 Truth (UK & Ireland),...i.e. that 9/11 was an inside job. We can bring our own intelligence to bear on this matter and Annie (and David) have done great work in driving awareness of the facts into the public domain.
If you want to rubbish this movement (or 'cult' as you would have it) prove that the official narrative of the 3 collapses in Manhatten obey the laws of physics (ho, ho, ho. That's one line of attack no one is keen on taking).
I am frankly baffled by the statements of people like yourself and fellow 'leftie' Naom Chomsky who said that, "....and even if 9/11 was an inside job...so what? It doesn't matter."
Doesn't matter?!
If the people understood what has been done to them they would rise up and find the criminals and lock them up tomorrow.
The reason these criminals, who control our governments, are able to do so is because we have a public domain that is is so utterly corrupted and owned by these creeps that not a word of discussion of the crime is allowed (except to rubbish the likes of us) and, secondly,that ordinary people find it impossible to believe that our leaders could possibly so wicked and deceitful.
Regarding Mr Tarpley. I know nothing of his activities in exposing the parties involved in the killing of Aldo Moro. Tony Negri, whoever he was, ended up in jail. Was he an innocent party? (Actually, please don't bore us with vast quantities of information on this)
I like Mr. Tarpley and admire his almost obsessional devotion to independent research and truth-telling. I know that he financially suffers for choosing his lonely furrow. He is very bright and could obviously be a wealthy arse-kissing academic if he so chose.
For myself, I no longer believe that someone's being on 'the left' puts them on the moral high ground.
I used to....but since understanding 9/11 I know that the international bankers see Communism/Socialism as the best system for establishing total control over a single global state.
They financed Lenin, Trotsky and the Russian revolution, didn't they?
The left/right conflict is a distracting game that is played to keep us all from noticing the fact that while we allow these fiends to create our money out of nothing for us (and charge us interest for the privilege of doing so) we, and our governments, will remain their playthings, their dupes and their victims. |
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Larry O'Hara
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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| kbo234 wrote: | | PaulStott wrote: |
Perhaps you would like to explain your 'hounding' claim, and back it up with evidence?
Our approach has always been to ask hard questions of messrs Shayler and Machon. Indeed if a few people had copied our approach, you might not have been left with so much egg on your face as Shayler led the 'truth' movement through a succession of embarrassments (No Plane Theory, rampant anti-semitism etc) before his eventual 'collapse'.
and kick them out
That you get into bed with an old red-baiter like WGT shows you have a real nerve questionning anyone else's leftist credentials. This is after all an American writer who boasts of the role he played in getting one of Italy's most important socialists, Toni Negri, jailed.
Perhaps you could tell us whether you agree with WGT's actions or not? |
One person's hard questions might be another person's 'hounding'....but why select these people for special treatment. The fact is that what Annie and David have been saying about 9/11 (and other matters, including those that put David in jail) is substantially true |
We have in detail shown inconsistencies and untruths in what Machon/Shayler have stated, on 9/11 & other matters. You are at liberty to ignore it--but don't then criticise us for stating such.
| Quote: | | If you want to rubbish this movement (or 'cult' as you would have it) prove that the official narrative of the 3 collapses in Manhatten obey the laws of physics (ho, ho, ho. That's one line of attack no one is keen on taking) |
Yet again, you absurdly claim that it is for us to 'prove' an official narrtive--not our problem.
| Quote: | | I am frankly baffled by the statements of people like yourself and fellow 'leftie' Naom Chomsky who said that, "....and even if 9/11 was an inside job...so what? It doesn't matter." |
Again, it is not our role to defend some ill-chosen words by Noam Chomsky. However, we agree with his central point that the 9/11 cult is a diversion from progressive social struggles/politics
| Quote: | | If the people understood what has been done to them they would rise up and find the criminals and lock them up tomorrow |
An utter simplistic and naive understanding of popular consciousness--contradicted even by the frequent polls your cult cite about how many peope already agree with you (eg Zogby poll). So why haven't you already won?
| Quote: | | Regarding Mr Tarpley. I know nothing of his activities in exposing the parties involved in the killing of Aldo Moro. Tony Negri, whoever he was, ended up in jail. Was he an innocent party? (Actually, please don't bore us with vast quantities of information on this) |
Utterly symptomatic of the ahistorical Thatcher's children type approach of cultists. You clearly haven't even reached as far as page 9 of his 9/11 Synthetic Terror (4th edition) where he actually boasts of his role in getting Negri jailed. Of course, you don't want information on this: to evaluate it might require some critical faculties, that you seem proud of not possessing. Which puts in perspective your admiration of WGT.
| Quote: | since understanding 9/11 I know that the international bankers see Communism/Socialism as the best system for establishing total control over a single global state.
They financed Lenin, Trotsky and the Russian revolution, didn't they?
The left/right conflict is a distracting game that is played to keep us all from noticing the fact that while we allow these fiends to create our money out of nothing for us (and charge us interest for the privilege of doing so) we, and our governments, will remain their playthings, their dupes and their victims. |
Thank you very much (in all seriousness) for illustrating, by the above quote, just how 9/11 cultism leads adherents onto the slippery slope of anti-semitism: for the garbage about 'international finance financing communism, & the Left/Right conflict being a distraction could have come straight out of the Protocols or indeed Alfred Rosenberg. |
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Dogsmilk
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Larry - saying that because kbo234 is endorsing anti-semitic ideas because he thinks international banking financed communism is presumptuous in your usual ill-judged, label everyone according to your petty ideas style. Why don't you ask him what he means before jumping in? The notion is not necessarily linked to anti-semitism -
For example, Antony C Sutton claims Wall Street financed communism yet explicitly rejects any notion of this being anything to do with 'the Jews'. Or even 'the Zionists'.
Are you at some point going to actually explain exactly how your much trumpeted 'warnings' have anything to do with Shayler's current behaviour? Or are you going to continue playing the false prophet to his messiah?
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kbo234
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| Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 2:59 am Post subject: |
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| Larry O'Hara wrote: |
Yet again, you absurdly claim that it is for us to 'prove' an official narrtive--not our problem. |
If the official narrative is a lie...which it is.....then it is very much your, mine and everyone else's problem.
Christ in heaven. You can't even be bothered arguing about the issue.
If this isn't your problem then what is? Are the solutions to our diabolical situation to be found in the communist manifesto??
| Quote: | | However, we agree with his central point that the 9/11 cult is a diversion from progressive social struggles/politics. |
What, because the press and media refuse to deal with it seriously and critically. The 'diversion' you speak of is a reality that you and your colleagues in the press are determined to create.
No normal sentient being can believe that if the people at large learnt that their governments are controlled by forces happy to murder thousands of us in order to to get what they want, this would not be politically cataclysmic and the outcome necessarily revolutionary.
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An utter simplistic and naive understanding of popular consciousness--contradicted even by the frequent polls your cult cite about how many peope already agree with you (eg Zogby poll). So why haven't you already won? |
An enormous amount of effort by people like yourself goes into controlling popular consciousness. While people are in a minority or perceive that their view is a minority one they feel vulnerable and lack courage. If consciousness were to shift dramatically, if you guys let the reins slip....and people not only understand the reality of 9/11 but feel that might is on their side then a lot of unpleasant people will find themselves running for their lives. I grant you that we are some distance from this scenario now, but......
I think you know this is true Mr. O'Hara. Why else do yourself and so many others go to so much trouble to try to ridicule and marginalise this movement?
| Quote: | | Utterly symptomatic of the ahistorical Thatcher's children type approach of cultists. You clearly haven't even reached as far as page 9 of his 9/11 Synthetic Terror (4th edition) where he actually boasts of his role in getting Negri jailed. Of course, you don't want information on this: |
This stuff is just not interesting.
| Quote: | | to evaluate it might require some critical faculties, that you seem proud of not possessing. Which puts in perspective your admiration of WGT. |
My critical faculties outstrip yours by a rather large distance you useless fraudulent pudding.
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Thank you very much (in all seriousness) for illustrating, by the above quote, just how 9/11 cultism leads adherents onto the slippery slope of anti-semitism: for the garbage about 'international finance financing communism, & the Left/Right conflict being a distraction could have come straight out of the Protocols or indeed Alfred Rosenberg. |
Yup. Criticising the money-creation system we live under makes me an anti-semite.
This is the kind of clinical thinking we all so admire in you, Mr. O'Hara.
Actually the banks did fund the communists before and during the revolution according to the sources I have seen. Maybe the bankers didn't like the fact that that the Czar wouldn't let them come in and create their roubles for them. |
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| He's on at the start of the third hour not the second. |
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I would like to know about a particular aspect of the content of Mr. Tarpley's speech; did he take time during his talk to castigate/expose 9/11 truthers that he considers "cointelpro"?
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| reprehensor wrote: | I would like to know about a particular aspect of the content of Mr. Tarpley's speech; did he take time during his talk to castigate/expose 9/11 truthers that he considers "cointelpro"?
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That wasn't the purpose of the talk. Most of it was on the gunpowder plot and he went over 9/11 briefly compared to the length of the talk as a whole.
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scubadiver,
Thanks. Just to be clear, Mr. Tarpley did not then, spend time outing alleged cointelpro operatives during his talk? |
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kbo234
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| reprehensor wrote: | scubadiver,
Thanks. Just to be clear, Mr. Tarpley did not then, spend time outing alleged cointelpro operatives during his talk? |
What is 'cointelpro'?
If you mean attacking fellow 9/11 truthers, no he did not.
He named a few key operatives within the US government/security services who would have to have been involved in the organisation of the deception. I can't remember any of their names. |
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| Dogsmilk wrote: | | ian neal wrote: | Lack of Q&A: c***-up or conspiracy?
The reason the 'chair' allowed Webster to go on was because he was taking his cue for what time it was from the large clock in the hall, which whilst correct at the start of the evening stopped or seriously slowed down during the talk. So in this instance I have to say c***-up |
Stop making excuses. Like the clock conveniently started running slowly during the exact time of the talk. Pull the other one.
If something got in intrepid Larry's way, that can only mean MI5 were responsible. It's likely Annie Machon was secreted inside that clock, periodically turning the big hand backwards, helping her real paymasters stop Larry from asking the tough questions.
Don't forget - it was Larry who warned us about Shayler by totally failing to predict what actually happened and by being totally unable to explain how his current behaviour makes any sense if he still works for MI5. You can't argue with a case that compelling.
You will see it all on a blog no-one reads or is remotely interested in.
Am I the only one who thinks Larry is secretly jealous of people who have actually worked for the security services? |
Hi Dogs I've been a bit busy. What is this all about? Are you saying Tarpley been getting help from Annie's MI5 clock-fixing to use up more time at some do than he was entitled to so as to lock out a 3rd party from asking awkward questions?
If I had been there I'd have had a few awkward questions meself...
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| Dogsmilk wrote: | Larry - saying that because kbo234 is endorsing anti-semitic ideas because he thinks international banking financed communism is presumptuous in your usual ill-judged, label everyone according to your petty ideas style. Why don't you ask him what he means before jumping in? The notion is not necessarily linked to anti-semitism -
For example, Antony C Sutton claims Wall Street financed communism yet explicitly rejects any notion of this being anything to do with 'the Jews'. Or even 'the Zionists'.
Are you at some point going to actually explain exactly how your much trumpeted 'warnings' have anything to do with Shayler's current behaviour? Or are you going to continue playing the false prophet to his messiah? |
There's hardly any semite Jews left. Plenty Semite Arabs though. Shayler's a joke. Jewish Wall St DID finance communism - and the Bolshes were top-heavy in Jews. Seen how well they are doing lately?
http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/10/jerusalem-post-.html
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| reprehensor wrote: | scubadiver,
Thanks. Just to be clear, Mr. Tarpley did not then, spend time outing alleged cointelpro operatives during his talk? |
It would have been nice if Toni Negri had phoned up BBC Bristol to ask the old red baiter a few questions!
Given WGT's activities in Italy, surely he would have been in favour of COINTELPRO, not opposed to it? |
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