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Stephen Moderate Poster
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marky 54 Mega Poster
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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well spotted, there may well of been hot fires underneath the rubble, but there is certainly misleading evidence being used to prove molten steel.
wether its people jumping to a conclusion without thinking or on purpose im not sure.
if you scroll down to the second picture on this site, it seems simular to the clip you just pointed out, and it is most likly cutting torches being passed of as proof of molten steel.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/thermite.htm
im not saying there was'nt molten steel, there is a fireman who claims to of seen it and then theres the crane pulling out orange hot material, but there are examples used which are false.
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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In fact a lot more people than just the firefighters on the infamous film footage spoke about molten steel:
A report by Waste Age describes New York Sanitation Department workers moving "everything from molten steel beams to human remains." 2
A report on the Government Computer News website quotes Greg Fuchek, vice president of sales for LinksPoint Inc. as stating:
In the first few weeks, sometimes when a worker would pull a steel beam from the wreckage, the end of the beam would be dripping molten steel 3
A Messenger-Inquirer report recounts the experiences of Bronx firefighter "Toolie" O'Toole, who stated that some of the beams lifted from deep within the catacombs of Ground Zero by cranes were "dripping from the molten steel." 4
A transcription of an audio interview of Ground Zero chaplain Herb Trimpe contains the following passage:
When I was there, of course, the remnants of the towers were still standing. It looked like an enormous junkyard. A scrap metal yard, very similar to that. Except this was still burning. There was still fire. On the cold days, even in January, there was a noticeable difference between the temperature in the middle of the site than there was when you walked two blocks over on Broadway. You could actually feel the heat.
It took me a long time to realize it and I found myself actually one day wanting to get back. Why? Because I felt more comfortable. I realized it was actually warmer on site. The fires burned, up to 2,000 degrees, underground for quite a while before they actually got down to those areas and they cooled off.
I talked to many contractors and they said they actually saw molten metal trapped, beams had just totally had been melted because of the heat. So this was the kind of heat that was going on when those airplanes hit the upper floors. It was just demolishing heat. 5
A report in the Johns Hopkins Public Health Magazine about recovery work in late October quotes Alison Geyh, Ph.D., as stating:
Fires are still actively burning and the smoke is very intense. In some pockets now being uncovered, they are finding molten steel. 6
A publication by the National Environmental Health Association quotes Ron Burger, a public health advisor at the National Center for Environmental Health, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, who arrived at Ground Zero on the evening of September 12th. Burger stated:
Feeling the heat, seeing the molten steel, the layers upon layers of ash, like lava, it reminded me of Mt. St. Helen’s and the thousands who fled that disaster. 7
An article in The Newsletter of the Structural Engineers Association of Utah describing an speaking appearance by Leslie Robertson (structural engineer responsible for the design of the World Trade Center) contains this passage:
As of 21 days after the attack, the fires were still burning and molten steel was still running. 8
A member of the New York Air National Guard's 109th Air Wing was at Ground Zero from September 22 to October 6. He kept a journal on which an article containing the following passage is based.
Smoke constantly poured from the peaks. One fireman told us that there was still molten steel at the heart of the towers' remains. Firemen sprayed water to cool the debris down but the heat remained intense enough at the surface to melt their boots. 9
The book American Ground, which contains detailed descriptions of conditions at Ground Zero, contains this passage:
... or, in the early days, the streams of molten metal that leaked from the hot cores and flowed down broken walls inside the foundation hole. 10
Source: http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/moltensteel.html
Of course to defenders of the official story all these people are independently "mistaken", and to supporters of Judy Woods they are shills sent to deceive us into believing that the WTC was destroyed by a combination of explosives and some analogue of thermate - to disguise the fact they are guilty of EXACTLY THE SAME CRIME but in a slightly different method.
We all know that what the "perps" want to hide most is HOW they committed the crime - they'll actually plant evidence themselves to suggest they committed it in a different way -
"F*ck the gas chamber boys - at least they'll never know it was beam weapons! I'll be laughing when they give me the lethal injection - they'll think it was controlled demolition! Oh who had the last laugh here?! Oh sh*t it was them wasn't it? Oh what was I thinking - the crime is the same whether we used beam weapons or explosives! Why did we plant all that fake evidence?? Nnooooooooo!"
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Stephen Moderate Poster
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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Cut the cr!p folks
Simple question ? Is this video clip of the orange glow fake? or real?
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chek Mega Poster
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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stephen wrote: | Cut the cr!p folks
Simple question ? Is this video clip of the orange glow fake? or real? |
It looks to me like the fireman are trying to clear access to a lower level, with a worklight providing the glow.
Now, about Wood's webpage - why do you think she's claiming Oxylance cutting torch smoke to be rust from the dust?
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 1:28 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | Simple question ? Is this video clip of the orange glow fake? or real?
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once molten metal was mentioned people went looking or go looking for examples to prove it, and jump to conclusions without thinking because it "looks like it"
Quote: | It looks to me like the fireman are trying to clear access to a lower level, with a worklight providing the glow.
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a much more likely scenerio, especially if they were using their hands.
not fake, just misinterpretated.
the power of suggestion can blind people.
which is why i linked to the webpage showing something simular and saying it is molten steel, once it is associated with molten steel thats what people see, but it is'nt.
again im not saying there is no molten steel at all, but i am saying some examples are wrong.
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Stephen Moderate Poster
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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marky 54 wrote: | Quote: | Simple question ? Is this video clip of the orange glow fake? or real?
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once molten metal was mentioned people went looking or go looking for examples to prove it, and jump to conclusions without thinking because it "looks like it"
Quote: | It looks to me like the fireman are trying to clear access to a lower level, with a worklight providing the glow.
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a much more likely scenerio, especially if they were using their hands.
not fake, just misinterpretated.
the power of suggestion can blind people.
which is why i linked to the webpage showing something simular and saying it is molten steel, once it is associated with molten steel thats what people see, but it is'nt.
again im not saying there is no molten steel at all, but i am saying some examples are wrong. |
But know one suggested anything to me concerning this video clip, I disscovered this myself from own reseach.
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chek Mega Poster
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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stephen wrote: | But know one suggested anything to me concerning this video clip, I disscovered this myself from own reseach. |
Of course you did.
But be that as it may, what's your take on Judy Wood's falsehoods about the brown Oxylance smoke being claimed as rust 'fuzzballs' or whatever infantile word she's using this month?
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marky 54 Mega Poster
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | But know one suggested anything to me concerning this video clip, I disscovered this myself from own reseach.
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maybe i was talking about the things you did'nt research yourself?
for example: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/thermite.htm
what you found in the clip you linked makes the second photo on this site a lot more suspect than previous, but they(not you), are passing it of as molten steel, it is very simular to the video section you pointed out.
IMO any surface "molten steel" is disinfo, it was more likely cutting torches or work lights like chek said, any molten steel would surely of been deeper in the rubble rather than on the surface.
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