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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:01 am    Post subject: 9/11 sites alongside radical Jihadist sites in House Hearing Reply with quote

http://www.911blogger.com/node/12505

Mark Weitzman of the Simon Wiesenthal Center presents 9/11 sites alongside radical Jihadist sites to House Hearing on "Terrorism and the Internet"

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On Tuesday, November 6, 2007, a House Homeland Security Subcommittee had a hearing on "Terrorism and the Internet". The hearing featured presentations from several groups, including the RAND Corporation, and Mark Weitzman of the Simon Wiesenthal Center. The hearing was chaired by Democratic Rep. Jane Harman, and ranking Republican, Rep. Dave Reichert.

Toward the end of the hearing, Weitzman rolls out a PowerPoint presentation that presents a few 9/11 truth sites sandwiched in between websites that offer training in terrorist tactics, and a website that glorified the attack of 9/11. Among the websites presented under the heading "Internet: Incubator of 9/11 Conpiracies and Disinformation", are Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, and other sites, such as Killtown's, who brought this Hearing to our attention.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

An admission of guilt?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting.

Now that H.R. 1955 - The Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007, has been passed, the co-authors of that bill, representatives Dave Reichert and Jane Harman who chairs the Subcommittee on Intelligence, Information Sharing and Terrorism Risk Assessment, hear testimony from four relative "experts" at a hearing on 6.11.7, titled, “Using the Web as a Weapon: the Internet as a Tool for Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism”.

In her preamble, Harman asserts:

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The centerpiece of H.R. 1955 is the creation of a National Commission to study violent radicalization; to determine the best way forward; and to make concrete proposals for action.

At six months intervals over eighteen months, the National Commission would drill down on the issue and propose to both Congress and Secretary Chertoff initiatives to intercede before radicalized individuals turn violent.

We are not afraid of where the facts will take us. But no one on the Hill or elsewhere should think we already have a complete understanding of how someone with radical beliefs becomes a violent killer.

Many in the Senate likewise support our call for a National Commission.

My colleague and friend, Susan Collins of Maine, recently introduced companion legislation that would make the Commission a reality.

I look forward to working with the Senate to get a bill to the President’s desk before the end of this session.

I welcome the witness’ testimony today about the Internet and how it is being abused by violent extremists.

I believe their remarks will be a valuable starting point for the National Commission’s work.


The scene is set.

The testimony of these expert witnesses marks the start of the, yet to be created, National Commission's work to make proposals to defender of the homeland, Secretary Chertoff, so that Homeland Security are able to intercede before radicalised citizens become killers.

Harman claims that, despite decades of global terrorism, nobody "on the hill" has a complete understanding of what turns a radical into a killer.

The on-line jihadists, operating under the brand "E Qaeda" must be stopped and tinternet is it's vehicle.

The witnesses:

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WITNESSES

Dr. Bruce Hoffman, Professor, Georgetown University

Ms. Rita Katz, Director, SITE Institute

Ms. Parry Aftab, Internet Attorney

Mr. Mark Weitzman, Director, Task Force Against Hate, Simon Wiesenthal Center


You can read all of the testimonies here

Mark Weitzman produces a series of slides showing screen grabs from various terrorist web sites and helpfully flags up those that are based on US servers, with a US flag, naturally.

At the end of his presentation two slides are shown. The first is a composite of various 9/11 truth site logos and banners and the second actually shows a video of WTC7's still unexplained demise.

Introducing the final sequence, Mr Weitzman says:

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... and then finally we end with a site that literally talks about bombing of, soon, soon soon will be the attack on Manhattan, dated September 2, 2007


Google that, if you dare and you will see that it was a Wordpress blog that has since been closed down - nothing to do with 9/11 Truth but hey when you're talking about "Internet: Incubator of 9/11 Conpiracies and Disinformation", the point is made.

The testimonies are worth reading to understand the language used to lump 911 Truth, in with the anti-semites, white supremacists, groomers and paedophiles, jihadists, blah blah blah . . .

I have some advice for Chertoff and he can have it for free too.

Shut down all of the terrorist web sites hosted in the USA.

I also have a question for Mr Chertoff:

Why haven't you shut down the terrorist web sites hosted in the USA ?

It's been six years now, time enough one would imagine.

One important little nugget was revealed in the testimony given by the ex Iraq CPA functionary, the esteemed Dr Hoffman:

Dr. Bruce Hoffman wrote:
Finally, the foiled August 2006 plot to simultaneously bomb ten U.S. airliners and crash them into targets over American cities was de-railed after arrests in Pakistan once more led U.K. and U.S. officials to yet another terrorist cell of British Muslims of Pakistani heritage. That operation’s controller was none other than Abu Ubaydah al-Masri: the commander for al Qaeda in Kunar Province, Afghanistan.


Hoffman gives a similar version of events in his testimony (PDF) of Feb 2007, to the House Armed Services Subcommittee on Terrorism, Unconventional Threats and Capabilities:

Dr. Bruce Hoffman wrote:
Finally, this past summer’s plot to simultaneously bomb ten U.S. airliners and crash them into targets over American cities was foiled after arrests in Pakistan once more led U.K. and U.S. officials to yet another terrorist cell of British Muslims of Pakistani heritage. According to terrorism expert Rohan Gunaratna, that operation’s controller was none other than Abu Ubaydah al-Masri: the commander for al Qaeda in Kunar Province, Afghanistan.


By September 9th 2007, in his 6th anniversary piece for the Washington Post, titled, "Scarier Than Bin Laden", Hoffman repeats the claim that Abu Ubaydah al-Masri was the mastermind behind the liquid-bombs-that-could-never-work-plot, but, unlike his February statement, omits to tell us from where he sourced this important piece of news.

In his on-line Q&A session that followed the Washington Post article, titled, "Outlook: Worse than Bin Laden", he does reveal that it was Rashid Rauf who led to the plot being unravelled, but omits to mention that the Pakistani authorities could find no evidence of his involvement and dropped the charges.

What I find staggering is that Dr Hoffman attributes his claim, once and not since, about Abu Ubaydah al-Masri, the al Qaeda Chief in the Kunar province, being the mastermind behind Heathrow 10.8, on the proclamations of that worldwide terrorist expert, Rohan Gunaratna.

Is he serious ?

Furthermore, unless this info is wrong:

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Abu Musab Ubaydah al Masri, an al Qaeda Chief in the Kunar province of Afghanistan, was captured November 6, 2005, in Pakistan, based on information obtained from three Saudi detainees in Gitmo, according to Admiral Harris. They even guided a police sketch artist to draw his face.


Hoffman, we might have a problem.

If that information is true, then the liquid bomb plot must have been, ahem, fermenting for quite some time, given that it's mastermind may have been shipped off to Guantanamo 10 months earlier.

Of course, if the Homeland Security web-crackdown does become effective then Ms Katz may well be looking for alternative employment.

Odd state of affairs really, when you consider that her "SITE Institute" is the pre-eminent source of multimedia releases to the "non E-Q world" for all things E-Q. So who's radicalising who ?

I do hope I haven't radicalised anyone.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We can expect more of the same I'm afraid. The conflating of conspiracy theories and terrorism (as anyone who caught my rant on it on WAC Radio this week will know) started some time ago, initially with Bush's "let us never tolelerate outrageous conspiracy theories" trash talk and then further with the National Security Council article "Strategy for Winning the War on Terror" which has been posted on the White House website for some time.

(http://www.whitehouse.gov/nsc/nsct/2006/sectionV.html)

Here they quickly spunk off some propaganda saying "Terrorism has nothing to do with foreign policy, nothing to do with poverty, nothing to do with Israel/Palestine" then proceed to let us know what DOES cause terrorists to want to kill and maim- number three on the list?

Conspiracy Theories!

"Subcultures of conspiracy and misinformation. Terrorists recruit more effectively from populations whose information about the world is contaminated by falsehoods and corrupted by conspiracy theories. The distortions keep alive grievances and filter out facts that would challenge popular prejudices and self-serving propaganda." 

Later in the document we see more linking of terrorism and the internet particularly:

"[Terrorists] use today's technologies with increasing acumen and sophistication. This is especially true with the Internet, which they exploit to create and disseminate propaganda, recruit new members, raise funds and other material resources, provide instruction on weapons and tactics, and plan operations. [/b]Without a communications ability, terrorist groups cannot effectively organize operations, execute attacks, or spread their ideology. We and our partners will continue to target the communication nodes of our enemy."(Emphasis mine).

Further:

"The ability of terrorists to exploit the Internet and 24/7 worldwide media coverage allows them to bolster their prominence as well as feed a steady diet of radical ideology, twisted images, and conspiracy theories to potential recruits in all corners of the globe. Besides a global reach, these technologies allow terrorists to propagate their message quickly, often before an effective counter to terrorist messages can be coordinated and distributed. These are force multipliers for our enemy."

And more:

"Cyber safe-havens. The Internet provides an inexpensive, anonymous, geographically unbounded, and largely unregulated virtual haven for terrorists. Our enemies use the Internet to develop and disseminate propaganda, recruit new members, raise and transfer funds, train members on weapons use and tactics, and plan operations… [b]We will seek ultimately to deny the Internet to the terrorists
as an effective safe-haven for their propaganda, proselytizing, recruitment, fund-raising, training, and operational planning." (Emphasis mine).


"We will seek ultimately to deny the Internet to the terrorists" will they get 'tough on terrorism and tough on the causes of terrorism"? They have already identified "conspiracy theorists as the THIRD MOST DANGEROUS element to blame for terrorism.

Because just like other PNAC objectives (written before 9/11) which the Bush admin began working towards in the immediate wake of 9/11 such as the securing of the Central Asia gas pipeline and Iraq, control of the internet was on the table as an objective from day one. Right there, in their defining document is a call for control over the "International Commons" of the internet. This is hardly surprising - how could they achieve "Total Spectrum Dominance" without it?

It is my belief that the freedom we currently have to spread information globally, by-passing the main stream media, will be short lived; this freedom is a bigger threat to the Neo-Con aim of global hegemony than the instability in Iraq and Iran’s nuclear ambitions put together. Through the internet we can challenge the propaganda we are fed through newspapers and television news; the people have never had such power before and it is inconceivable it will be allowed to go on forever.

The document quoted above stretches desperately to paint a picture where the internet is a vital tool for terrorists; where “conspiracy theorists” (the derogatory term for people challenging the government’s version of events of a particular situation) are a primary cause of terrorism and it claims that a goal of the “War on Terror” must be to control the internet.

Could it be that it is laying the groundwork for a future false flag attack which could be presented as being reliant on terrorist access to the internet and justify new controls which will rob net freedom from the masses?

People who know me will be bored with this rant of mine by now - but I firmly believe once Internet 2 is ready to roll, the next false flag attack will be too - it will be found to have been organised, facilitated and coordinated through the internet (no doubt the CIA are busy on a server based somewhere in Tehran as we speak creating the "evidence") and they will say:

"Until we get this under control we need to shut down Internet 1 - just temporarily [like all the other freedoms] - don't worry - you'll still have ebay and amazon - you'll still be able to access the BBC, but we need to get a hold of this problem and fast!"

Who knows, maybe it will turn out the "terrorists" were radicalised by reading "outlandish" conspiracy theories about 9/11 on the internet as well, killing two birds and demonising anyone who challenges the governments version of their next mass slaughter of their own people...

It doesn't matter whether there are loose ends with the new FF or not - without internet freedom it will be an uphill struggle to make the same gains again our movement have this time, but one I ultimatley believe we are equal to.

Remember what the man said -

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:17 pm    Post subject: Simon Wiesenthal Centre - 9/11 sites are terrorist Reply with quote

Simon Wiesenthal Center presents 9/11 sites alongside radical Jihadist sites to House Hearing on "Terrorism and the Internet"
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On Tuesday, November 6, 2007, a House Homeland Security Subcommittee had a hearing on "Terrorism and the Internet".* The hearing featured presentations from several groups, including a former employee of the RAND Corporation, and Mark Weitzman of the Simon Wiesenthal Center. The hearing was chaired by Democratic Rep. Jane Harman, and ranking Republican, Rep. Dave Reichert.

Toward the end of the hearing, Weitzman rolls out a PowerPoint presentation that presents a few 9/11 truth sites sandwiched in between websites that offer training in terrorist tactics, and a website that glorified the attack of 9/11. Among the websites presented under the heading "Internet: Incubator of 9/11 Conpiracies and Disinformation", are Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, and other sites, such as Killtown's, who brought this Hearing to our attention.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the tactic to be employed should be to move 9/11 truth sites away from US based internet service providers. UK ones may get cobbled too so are there any countries which are unlikely to fall prey to US pressure on this issue? Malaysia, perhaps? Venezuela?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

xmasdale wrote:
I think the tactic to be employed should be to move 9/11 truth sites away from US based internet service providers. UK ones may get cobbled too so are there any countries which are unlikely to fall prey to US pressure on this issue? Malaysia, perhaps? Venezuela?


The Uk is possibly the worst - the terrorism act specifically states it can close down a site and prosecute the author if they refuse to remove materials which they feel (vaguly) could be encouraging or facilitating terrorism (don't have the exact quote on me) if you look at all the hard work the US is doing to make a case for conspiracy theories being a cause of terroism - i'd say we're half way to a lock down!

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If 9/11 truthers got locked up left right and centre, don't you think that would wake a lot of people up?

My mum would certainly pay a bit more attention Laughing

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not if no one reported it.

The key point is - most people wouldn't face jail before taking the site down. The legislation cites they can prosecute and shut it down them selves if the "offender" does not remove the "dangerous" material when asked.

They could also bully the server host into dropping it, as was done to Craig Murray and Boris "the buffoon" Johnson's blogs recently.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More here from a July 2005 CAMPACC article on the ever so reliable international terrorism "expert" Rohan Gunaratna, upon whose assertions, his colleague and RAND functionary, Dr Bruce Hoffman bases his now, globally proliferated claim that the 10.8.2006 liquid bomb plot mastermind was Afghan Al Q chief, Abu Musab Ubaydah al Masri, was was reportedly captured in November 2005.

Google Abu Musab Ubaydah al Masri and you'll realise the single sourced Hoffmanesque "provenance" of this allegation.

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An associate of the CSTPV, Rohan Gunaratna (2003), has offered expert testimony in UK prosecutions for supposed membership in ‘terrorist’ groups. In the court case of Meziane, several refugees in Leicester were accused of fund-raising for terrorist activities abroad. After Gunaratna claimed that they were Al Qaeda members, he was challenged by the defence to provide documentation, but he did not. Consequently, the allegations were dropped and he was not recalled as a witness. Neither did the prosecution take up his similar offer in another case against refugees for alleged membership of the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK). Nevertheless Gunaratna is still quoted as an expert by journalists.


CAMPACC describe the collaboration of Dr Hoffman and Rohan Gunaratna at the "St Andrews-RAND nexus", since Dr Hoffman founded the Centre for Studies in Terrorism and Political Violence (CSTPV) at the University of St Andrews and Rohan Gunaratna, among other things, is an associate.

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The RAND-St Andrews nexus skews understandings of ‘terrorism’, especially through its pivotal role in the peer review and publishing of research. Members of the Centre and of RAND hold key editorial positions on the two foremost academic journals in the field: Studies in Conflict and Terrorism, and Terrorism and Political Violence. Those journals emphasise political violence directed against states, while largely ignoring violence by states, except those not allied to US or Western European countries – i.e., those described as ‘rogue states’ by the US government (Burnett and Whyte, 2005).

Embedded experts define ‘terrorism’ selectively, with a bias towards US-led alliances and against any resistance. According to Prof. Paul Wilkinson, Director of the CSTPV, extra-judicial assassinations by Israel are ‘ruthless acts of counter-terror’, i.e. self defence (Wilkinson, 2002 : 68 ). Within this perspective the USA, the UK and their client states never carry out ‘terrorism’.

In a mid-1990s government inquiry on terrorism, Wilkinson emphasised violence by oppressed groups, while ignoring state violence against them. In particular he problematised trans-national support for ‘the weak’:

… almost any prolonged and significant terrorist campaign is likely to have an international dimension: almost every terrorist group tends to look across the borders of the state where it is based, and further afield, not only for weapons, funds, training and safe-haven, but for any ideological, political or diplomatic support it can manage to obtain; sub-state terrorism is typically the weapon of the weak (Wilkinson, 1996: 4).

Such diagnoses justified permanent anti-terrorist legislation to target the weak.

That report led to the Terrorism Act 2000, which broadened the definition of terrorism. It blurred any distinction between political protest and organised violence, as well as any distinction between ideological and material support. This law redefined terrorism to include simply 'the threat' of 'serious damage to property', in ways 'designed to influence the government' for a 'political cause'.


http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/academic/intrel/research/cstpv/

http://campacc.org.uk

http://www.naspir.net/

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Mr. Milton,



Over the past few days I have received a number of emails regarding my testimony to the House Committee on Homeland Security. Much of those emails appear to have been based on misapprehensions of my testimony. My testimony was about “the Internet as a tool for violent radicalization”, and not about 9/11. My reference to 9/11 consisted of 1 sentence out of 6 pages of testimony, and in that sentence (with 2 out of 38 accompanying PowerPoint slides) I referenced “how 9/11 is viewed in some eyes, including those who applauded it as well as some conspiracy sites.” I then continue by illustrating the types of conspiracy theories often found online, such as those based upon of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the infamous antisemitic text, or that generally blame the US government in a pernicious manner (i.e. for intentionally spreading the AIDS virus), or that have the “entire Western World engaged in a conspiracy against Islam” Nowhere in there is there any mention of 9/11! In this regard our only concern with 9/11 is when the inquiries slide into incubators for hate (i.e. “This fake Hamas soldier wearing a "Star of David" is as much a Zionist as the 9-11 terrorists Chertoff covers for. Chertoff is the son of a terrorist himself. Don't let him off the hook!”).



Finally, in my recommendations, I never urged any type of censorship. In fact, I specifically state that (#5) that any steps taken in regard to the Internet must be done legally, and over the course of a decade in dealing with this issue I have consistently stressed that the First Amendment must be maintained in the virtual as well as the real world. I have even argued that in conferences in Europe when attempts were being made to impose international controls on the Internet, saying, as I did last year in Berlin that we should “avoid getting bogged down in a useless debate on the First Amendment” because we (in the US) are not going to erase it, nor should we.



Please feel free to share this with any interested parties.



Sincerely,



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