FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist  Chat Chat  UsergroupsUsergroups  CalendarCalendar RegisterRegister   ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Top academics line up to debunk 9/11 myths

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    9/11, 7/7, Covid-1984 & the War on Freedom Forum Index -> Stratehy Of Tension, Fake Terror, 9/11 & 7/7 Truth News
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
ishaar
Moderate Poster
Moderate Poster


Joined: 22 Jun 2006
Posts: 232
Location: uk

PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 4:53 pm    Post subject: Top academics line up to debunk 9/11 myths Reply with quote

I put this together to send to a few people who were questioning the credibility of people involved in exposing 9 11, send it to like minded people you may know. It's from

http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/

I have used what I thought was the most poignant sections of their quotes to make it shorter. You can of course just send a link but I found people often put off looking, whereas if it's in the email they read.

For those of you who doubt the credibility of the 9 11 Truth movement I suggest you check the credentials and comments of some of those involved, and think again.

Morgan Reynolds, PhD – Chief Economist, U.S. Department of Labor under George W. Bush 2001-2002. Former Director of the Criminal Justice Center at the National Center for Policy Analysis. Professor Emeritus, Economics, Texas A&M University.

"It is hard to exaggerate the importance of a scientific debate over the cause(s) of the collapse of the twin towers and building 7. If the official wisdom on the collapses is wrong, as I believe it is, then policy based on such erroneous engineering analysis is not likely [to] prove to be sound."

Paul Craig Roberts, PhD - Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Treasury under Ronald Reagan, “Father of Reaganomics”, Former Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal. Currently Research Fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University.

“We know that it is strictly impossible for any building, much less steel columned buildings, to “pancake” at free fall speed. Therefore, it is a non-controversial fact that the official explanation of the collapse of the WTC buildings is false.”

Catherine Austin Fitts - Assistant Secretary of Housing under George H.W. Bush. Former Managing Director and Member of the Board of Directors of the Wall Street investment bank, Dillon, Read & Co.

Regarding 9/11 “The official story could not possibly have happened. … It’s not possible. It’s not operationally feasible. … The Commission was a whitewash.”

Edward L. Peck - Deputy Director of the White House Task Force on Terrorism under Ronald Reagan. Deputy Coordinator, Covert Intelligence Programs at the State Department. U.S. Ambassador and Chief of Mission to Iraq (1977-80). 32-year veteran of the U.S. Foreign Service.

“We want truthful answers to question. … As Americans of conscience, we ask for four things:
oAn immediate investigation by New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer
oImmediate investigation in Congressional Hearings.
oMedia attention to scrutinize and investigate the evidence.
oThe formation of a truly independent citizens-based inquiry."


Morton Goulder - Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and Warning 1973-77 (Nixon, Ford, and Carter) Founder of Sanders Associates.

•Petition requesting an immediate reinvestigation of 9/11
“We want truthful answers to question. … As Americans of conscience, we ask for four things:
oAn immediate investigation by New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer
oImmediate investigation in Congressional Hearings.
oMedia attention to scrutinize and investigate the evidence.
oThe formation of a truly independent citizens-based inquiry."


Philip J. Berg, Esquire - Former Deputy Attorney General, Pennsylvania.

“The official story of what actually took place on 9-11 is a lie.”

William Christison - Former National Intelligence Officer and Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis. 29-year CIA veteran.

“I now think there is persuasive evidence that the events of September did not unfold as the Bush administration and the 9/11 Commission would have us believe. … An airliner almost certainly did not hit The Pentagon. … The North and South Towers of the World Trade Center almost certainly did not collapse and fall to earth because hijacked aircraft hit them.”

Rep. Curt Weldon –Vice Chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, Vice Chairman of the House Armed Services Committee. Ten-term Republican Congressman from Pennsylvania.

Regarding the 9/11 Commission "There's something very sinister going on here that really troubles me,"

Senator Max Cleland – Former member of the 9/11 Commission, resigned in December 2003. Currently serves on the board of directors of the Export-Import Bank of the United States. U.S. Senator from Georgia 1996-2002. Secretary of State of Georgia 1982-1996. Administrator of the U.S. Veterans Administration 1977-1981. Captain, U.S. Army awarded Silver Star and Bronze Star for bravery in Viet Nam. Triple amputee from war injuries.

“One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up.”

Louis Freeh – Director of the FBI, 1993-2001. Former U.S. District Court Judge for the Southern District of New York, appointed by President George H.W. Bush. Former Deputy United States Attorney in New York. Former officer in the United States Army JAG Corps Reserve.

"Even the most junior investigator would immediately know that the name and photo ID of Atta in 2000 is precisely the kind of tactical intelligence the FBI has many times employed to prevent attacks and arrest terrorists. Yet the 9/11 Commission inexplicably concluded that it "was not historically significant." This astounding conclusion--in combination with the failure to investigate Able Danger and incorporate it into its findings--raises serious challenges to the commission's credibility and, if the facts prove out, might just render the commission historically insignificant itself. … No wonder the 9/11 families were outraged by these revelations and called for a "new" commission to investigate.”

Major General Albert Stubblebine, U.S. Army (ret) - Commanding General of the U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM). Former head of Imagery Interpretation for Scientific and Technical Intelligence.

““One of my experiences in the Army was being in charge of the Army’s Imagery Interpretation for Scientific and Technical Intelligence during the Cold War. I measured pieces of Soviet equipment from photographs. It was my job. I look at the hole in the Pentagon and I look at the size of an airplane that was supposed to have hit the Pentagon. And I said, ‘The plane does not fit in that hole’. So what did hit the Pentagon? What hit it? Where is it? What's going on?”

Col. Ronald D. Ray, U.S. Marine Corps (ret) - Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense during the Reagan Administration and a highly decorated Vietnam veteran (two Silver Stars, a Bronze Star and a Purple Heart). Appointed by President George H.W. Bush to serve on the American Battle Monuments Commission (1990-1994), and on the 1992 Presidential Commission on the Assignment of Women in the Armed Forces. From 1990 through 1994, he served as Military Historian and Deputy Director of Field Operations for the U.S. Marine Corps Historical Center, Washington, D.C.

“The former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense under the Reagan Administration and a highly decorated Vietnam veteran and Colonel has gone on the record to voice his doubts about the official story of 9/11 - calling it ‘the dog that doesn't hunt.’ ‘I'm astounded that the conspiracy theory advanced by the administration could in fact be true and the evidence does not seem to suggest that's accurate,’ he said.”


Raymond L. McGovern - Former Chairman, National Intelligence Estimates, CIA, responsible for preparing the President’ Daily Brief (PDB) for Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush. 27-year CIA veteran.

“I think at simplest terms, there’s a cover-up. The 9/11 report is a joke. The question is: What’s being covered up? Is it gross malfeasance, gross negligence, misfeasance? … Now there are a whole bunch of unanswered questions. And the reason they’re unanswered is because this administration will not answer the questions. … I just want to reassert, what Scott [Ritter, former Major in the U.S. Marines Corps, former Chief Weapons Inspector for the United Nations Special Commission in Iraq] said and this is the bottom line for me, just as Hitler in 1933 cynically exploited the burning of the parliament building, the Reichstag, this is exactly what our President did in exploiting 9/11. The cynical way in which he played on our trauma, used it to justify attacking, making a war of aggression on a country that he knew had nothing to do with 9/11. That suffices for me, I think Scott is exactly right, that’s certainly an impeachable offense.”

Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) - Director of Advanced Space Programs Development “Star Wars Program” under Presidents Ford and Carter. U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. (PhD in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering, Cal Tech).

“A lot of these pieces of information, taken together, prove that the official story, the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 is a bunch of hogwash. It’s impossible. … There’s a second group of facts having to do with the cover up. … Taken together these things prove that high levels of our government don’t want us to know what happened and who’s responsible. … Who gained from 9/11? Who covered up crucial information about 9/11? And who put out the patently false stories about 9/11 in the first place? When you take those three things together, I think the case is pretty clear that it’s highly placed individuals in the administration with all roads passing through Dick Cheney.

Col. George Nelson, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former U.S. Air Force aircraft crash investigator and airplane parts authority. 34 year Air Force career.

“The government alleges that four wide-body airliners crashed on the morning of September 11 2001, resulting in the deaths of more than 3,000 human beings, yet not one piece of hard aircraft evidence has been produced in an attempt to positively identify any of the four aircraft. On the contrary, it seems only that all potential evidence was deliberately kept hidden from public view. …


Capt. Russ Wittenberg, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. Flew commercial jets for Pan Am and United for 35 years, flying 727, 737, 747, 757 and 767’s. Had previously flown the actual two United Airlines airplanes hijacked on 9/11 (Flight 93, which impacted in Pennsylvania, and Flight 175, the second plane to hit the WTC).

"The government story they handed us about 9/11 is total B.S. plain and simple.” …
Wittenberg convincingly argued there was absolutely no possibility that Flight 77could have "descended 7,000 feet in two minutes, all the while performing a steep 270 degree banked turn before crashing into the Pentagon's first floor wall without touching the lawn." …


Melvin Goodman - Division Chief and Senior Analyst at the Office of Soviet Affairs, CIA,1966 to 1990. Senior Analyst at the Bureau of Intelligence and Research, State Department, 1974 to 1976.

“I want to talk about the [9/11] Commission itself, about the flawed process of the Commission and finally about the conflict of interest within the Commission that is extremely important to understand the failure of the Commission.”

Major Douglas Rokke, PhD, U.S. Army (ret) – Director U.S. Army Depleted Uranium Project.

Regarding the impact at the Pentagon on 9/11/2001 "When you look at the whole thing, especially the crash site void of airplane parts, the size of the hole left in the building and the fact the projectile's impact penetrated numerous concrete walls, it looks like the work of a missile. And when you look at the damage, it was obviously a missile.”

Major Scott Ritter, U.S. Marine Corps (ret) - Marine Corps Intelligence Officer and Chief Weapons Inspector for the United Nations Special Commission in Iraq 1991-1998.

“I, like the others, are frustrated by the 9/11 Commission Report, by the lack of transparency on the part of the United States government, both in terms of the executive branch and the legislative branch when it comes to putting out on the table all facts known to the 9/11 case.”


Fred Burks - State Department Interpreter for Presidents George W. Bush and Bill Clinton, Vice Presidents Dick Cheney and Al Gore, Secretaries of State Colin Powell and Madeleine Albright. 18-year State Department career.

'An even bigger question is why isn't our media asking these questions? Why isn't our military spending many millions of dollars to find out why military defense systems failed on 9/11? Why is it that the 9/11 commission budget was far less than the budget allotted to the Challenger Disaster or even the Monika Lewinsky affair?”

Barbara Honegger - Senior Military Affairs Journalist at the Naval Postgraduate School, the Navy’s advanced science, technology and national security affairs university (1995 - present). White House Policy Analyst and Special Assistant to the Assistant to President Ronald Reagan (1981-83).

"The US military, not al Qaeda, had the sustained access weeks before 9/11 to also plant controlled demolition charges throughout the superstructures of WTC 1 and WTC2, and in WTC7, which brought down all three buildings on 9/11. ... A US military plane, not one piloted by al Qaeda, performed the highly skilled, high−speed 270−degree dive towards the Pentagon that Air Traffic Controllers on 9/11 were sure was a military plane as they watched it on their screens. Only a military aircraft, not a civilian plane flown by al Qaeda, would have given off the "Friendly" signal needed to disable the Pentagon’s anti−aircraft missile batteries as it approached the building. Only the US military, not al Qaeda, had the ability to break all of its Standard Operating Procedures to paralyze its own emergency response system.”

Sibel Edmonds – Former Language Translation Specialist, FBI. Witness before the 9/11 Commission.

“I find your report seriously flawed in its failure to address serious intelligence issues that I am aware of, which have been confirmed, and which as a witness to the commission, I made you aware of. Thus, I must assume that other serious issues that I am not aware of were in the same manner omitted from your report. These omissions cast doubt on the validity of your report and therefore on its conclusions and recommendations.”

Bogdan Dzakovic - 14-year Counter-terrorism expert in the Security Division of the Federal Aviation Administration. Team Leader of the FAA's Red Team, which conducted undercover tests on airport security through simulated terrorist attacks. Former Team Leader in the Federal Air Marshal program. Former Coast Guard officer. Witness before the 9/11 Commission.

Regarding the 9/11 Commission “The best I could say about it is they really botched the job by not really going into the real failures. … At worst, I think the 9/11 Commission Report is treasonous. And if you look at what the word “treason” means in the Webster’s Dictionary, it’s a betrayal of a trust.”

Paul Hellyer – Former Minister of National Defense of Canada. Former Deputy Prime Minister. Former Member of House of Commons.

Regarding 9/11 “I think the inquiry has been very shallow, very superficial. I would like to see a much tougher, more in-depth inquiry. … I would like to see someone in a position of authority ask those questions and insist on getting answers, at least to why some of the things that happened that seem to be, for an ordinary person, inexplicable. … We have to try and get the truth. … I hope that somebody has the courage and persistence to keep at it until we get it.”

Andreas von Buelow, PhD – Former National Minister of Defense of West Germany. Former Minister of Technology. Former Member of Bundestag (Parliament).

“The planning of the attacks was technically and organizationally a master achievement. To hijack four huge airplanes within a few minutes and within one hour, to drive them into their targets, with complicated flight maneuvers! This is unthinkable, without years-long support from secret apparatuses of the state and industry.”

Michael Meacher – Former Under Secretary for Industry, Under Secretary for Health and Social Security, Minister for the Environment, and Member of the House of Commons (Parliament) (UK).

The official investigative report says the US has never been able to find the sources of financing for 9/11. And then they say this “That after all is a matter of no great importance.” I find that astonishing. It is a matter of absolutely central importance. So there was a very great deal of evidence. And it seems to me extraordinary that the United States with its stupendous military capabilities and the most technologically advanced country in the world completely and totally failed to follow up on these leads.”

General Leonid Ivashov - Former Chief of Staff of the Russian armed forces on 9/11/2001, and Department Chief for General affairs in the Soviet Union's Ministry of Defense.

Regarding 9/11 "Bin Laden does not have the capabilities for an operation of this magnitude. When I hear Bush talking about al-Qaida as if it was Nazi Germany or the communist party of the Soviet Union, I laugh because I know what is there. Bin Laden has been under surveillance for years: every telephone call was monitored and al-Qaida has been penetrated by American intelligence, Pakistani intelligence, Saudi intelligence, Egyptian intelligence. They could not have kept secret an operation that required such a degree of organisation and sophistication."

David Shayler - Counter-Terrorism Officer, MI5 (Britain)

"We know for certain that the official story of 9/11 isn't true," says Shayler. "The twin towers did not collapse because of planes and fire; they were brought down in a controlled demolition. The Pentagon was most likely hit by an American missile, not an aeroplane."

Read more on: http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/


Last edited by ishaar on Mon Sep 18, 2006 7:05 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
brian
Validated Poster
Validated Poster


Joined: 18 Aug 2005
Posts: 611
Location: Scotland

PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shayler dissembling with that quote eh.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
ishaar
Moderate Poster
Moderate Poster


Joined: 22 Jun 2006
Posts: 232
Location: uk

PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Shayler dissembling with that quote eh.


Perhaps replace that quote for a better one from him, that one is off the 'patriots' site
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
MiniMauve
Moderate Poster
Moderate Poster


Joined: 24 Aug 2006
Posts: 220

PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 5:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What do you mean, dissembling? What he states always seemed to me to be the most likely scenario - that US and possibly Israeli operatives nurtured real muslim terrorists for years that would eventually become thier patsys on 911.
_________________
Stick to what you KNOW. All else is disinformation, intended or not.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
brian
Validated Poster
Validated Poster


Joined: 18 Aug 2005
Posts: 611
Location: Scotland

PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MiniMauve wrote:
What do you mean, dissembling? What he states always seemed to me to be the most likely scenario - that US and possibly Israeli operatives nurtured real muslim terrorists for years that would eventually become thier patsys on 911.


Nurtured is far removed from seeing plans of genuine Islamic terrorists is it not?

Also, which part of what took place on the day do you consider to be part of any plan a "genuine Islamic terrorist" would have conceived.

The quote if genuine is misleading, it gives credence to two major lies -

1 - Islamic terrorists were involved

2 - the present US administration is to blame - implying their removal solves the problem. Not so.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
ishaar
Moderate Poster
Moderate Poster


Joined: 22 Jun 2006
Posts: 232
Location: uk

PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think this reads better

'"We know for certain that the official story of 9/11 isn't true," says Shayler. "The twin towers did not collapse because of planes and fire; they were brought down in a controlled demolition. The Pentagon was most likely hit by an American missile, not an aeroplane."

Shayler quote from Newstatesman article
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
QuitTheirClogs
Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
Trustworthy Freedom Fighter


Joined: 09 Feb 2007
Posts: 630
Location: Manchester

PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone know where the "matter of no great importance" quote came from?

Michael Meacher:
Quote:
The official investigative report says the US has never been able to find the sources of financing for 9/11. And then they say this “That after all is a matter of no great importance.” I find that astonishing. It is a matter of absolutely central importance. So there was a very great deal of evidence. And it seems to me extraordinary that the United States with its stupendous military capabilities and the most technologically advanced country in the world completely and totally failed to follow up on these leads.”

_________________
Simon - http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/

David Ray Griffin - 9/11: the Myth & the Reality
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-275577066688213413
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
GazeboflossUK
Validated Poster
Validated Poster


Joined: 13 Sep 2006
Posts: 312
Location: County Durham, North-East

PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

QuitTheirClogs wrote:
Does anyone know where the "matter of no great importance" quote came from?

Michael Meacher:
Quote:
The official investigative report says the US has never been able to find the sources of financing for 9/11. And then they say this “That after all is a matter of no great importance.” I find that astonishing. It is a matter of absolutely central importance. So there was a very great deal of evidence. And it seems to me extraordinary that the United States with its stupendous military capabilities and the most technologically advanced country in the world completely and totally failed to follow up on these leads.”


He says it in an interview for Alex Jones' film Terror Storm - I think.

_________________
www.myspace.com/garethwilliamsmusic
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
QuitTheirClogs
Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
Trustworthy Freedom Fighter


Joined: 09 Feb 2007
Posts: 630
Location: Manchester

PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, I should have explained a bit better.

Michael Meacher makes the statement in a Dutch programme (starts at 11 mins)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8274552561914055825

Patriots Question 9/11 presents Meacher as directly quoting “That after all is a matter of no great importance,” (and the video suggests Meacher is making a direct quote). I was trying find out who Meacher was quoting.

I’ve now had a more detailed look at the Commission Report, and it says “Ultimately the question is of little practical significance” (page 172). So I think Meacher may have misquoted the Commission Report.

Commission Report wrote:
To date, the U.S. government has not been able to determine the origin of the money used for the 9/11 attacks. Ultimately the question is of little practical significance. Al Qaeda had many avenues of funding. If a particular funding source had dried up, al Qaeda could have easily tapped a different source or diverted funds from another project to fund an operation that cost $400,000-$500,000 over nearly two years.


http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch5.htm

_________________
Simon - http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/

David Ray Griffin - 9/11: the Myth & the Reality
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-275577066688213413
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    9/11, 7/7, Covid-1984 & the War on Freedom Forum Index -> Stratehy Of Tension, Fake Terror, 9/11 & 7/7 Truth News All times are GMT
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You can attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group