Loose Change Final Cut - The Evidence

[utopiated]

[Bongo]

Although it may not be a popular idea... I have to say that after all the hype, LCFC is pretty rubbish.

It is not filmed professionally, not narrated by Charlie Sheen and quite frankly, not fit for mass consumption in cinemas.

Sorry, but I think that the 2nd Edition, even though it had some dubious theories, was better. I say this because what the 2nd edition achieved was to help people to think outwith the zone, to realise what real questions surround 9/11 and ultimately to entice the viewer to think for themselves. As far as I am concerned, LCFC is a watered down - passion devoid - in all honesty a very... VERY poor documentary.

I guess with all the hype, the film just does not live up to it. I had expected a film that would be for mass consumption available to watch in cinemas around the UK and instead, all I saw was the 2nd edition with a face lift... and a not very good one at that.

Ps. Chek wrote:

[redkop]

[GazeboflossUK]

I'd say they really need a Version 2.0 of LCFC out and soon...

Although I enjoyed parts of the film - there was some seriously bad audio, including some of the Voice Over from Dylan.
The V.O volumes were so inconsistent and audio swayed pitch/speed at times (on the download). Some of the audio from clips they used were terrible too....I have better quality versions of some clips with better audio on my computer. This will turn off some who might buy the DVD and a problem that could easily be fixed!

Other problems, for example:

I feel the film would have benefited from at least showing some of the more telling video of the WTC towers collapse. Shots where clusters of blasts can be seen as the towers fall.....at least showing this alongside the pictures and information about the large steel beams that were embedded into the American Express Building.

[karlos]

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[karlos]

[xmasdale]

I was impressed when I saw a preview two weeks ago. I'm disappointed if others were not so impressed. But it is not aimed at those who are already familiar with all the main arguments. I don't feel in a good position to judge how it will go down with people unfamiliar with most of the material. So much criticism has been aimed at other 9/11 movies on the grounds that they speculated and appeared to draw conclusions which were not proved, that I welcome a movie which dispassionately examines most of the main disturbing questions about 9/11 and leaves the viewers to make up their own minds.

I have no doubt there is also room for more passionate movies about 9/11, but many of those have already been made. The style of the movie is similar to David Ray Griffin's books: a sober enquiry into the evidence and the truthfulness of the official conspiracy theory. DRG was a consultant on the movie's content.

Charlie Sheen apparently had so much pressure exerted on him that he felt obliged to withdraw - disappointing, but hardly the director's fault!

I agree there are passages where the music drowns out the voice-over, but I find that quite a common fault in documentary movies.

The great thing is that if we can sell out the performances at the Ritzy in Brixton @ noon on Saturday 24th & Sunday 25th, the movie goes on general release around mainstream cinemas with the potential to reach to lots of new people. For that reason I really think committed truth campaigners should be spending our time promoting it rather than badmouthing it. Currently we have masses of promotional flyers to distribute before the weekend. Contact me if you want to help.

[xmasdale]

[Bongo]

Xmasdale Wrote;

[GazeboflossUK]

Yeah.

Thing is - AJ's films appear far more professional than LCFC - and as you pointed out LC 2nd Edition was too.

I just think AJ should have may be pushed them into waiting even longer until they created something better - after all he did give them money.

[chek]

[Skeptic]

[andyb]

I'm sorry but to say Alex Jones films look professional is a joke. LCFC uses footage from the day for the majority of it. I can understand why people aren't happy with it but it is aimed at an audience who are unaware of all these issues and should be treated as such. I agree Press for Truth is a good film but it does have it's limitations too. Either way I'd give both to my parents to watch.

[kbo234]

[Stefan]

I wanted to say this on Monday when it came up but didn't because it would have looked like I was arse-licking Dylan, but my genuine opinion is the film would gain nothing, aesthetically, from Charlie Sheen narrating.

The only benefit would be publicity based - a huge plus of the original films was Dylans narration - he has a great voice for it, a lot of conviction with a dry humour and a good knack for increduality in his voice when outlining the official positions.

That's as much a part of loose change as anything else - Tim and Dylan admit they made the style of the film more main stream and less stylish to reach a broader audience, to have a celebrity rather than Dylan's narration on top of that would be to remove it further from what got people into the LC project in the first place.

I think the criticism I've heard so far with this film has been more about what isn't in it rather than what is - I had a conversation for some time on Monday about whether or not it was a disaster not to include the squibs evidence for example.

I don't think it was a disaster. I agree they are strong visual impact evidence of something very wrong going on with that collapse and it would have been good to have them there - but in honesty a great 9/11 film should do just enough to get people researching the issue for themselves - it doesn't have to outline everything in detail (that would be a 12 hour film!) it just needs to tweak people into taking a second look at the evidence.

Previously, the only film I was really happy handing out was Press for Truth - because it had nothing wrong in it - but it always a shame it just didn't go into the evidence for government conivance at all. With LC-FC we have a film with nothing wrong in it I would be as happy to give my grandma as my mates and it covers a huge amount of material.

Let's not all nit pick - I really think we have the best campaigning film yet, and once it is clear for us to make free DVDs of it, a double pack of that and press for truth is all I'm going to be giving out.

[John White]

Earlier Loose Canges tried to demand attention

This one deserves respect

Big step up IMO and this film is showable to everybody

[redkop]

[Jack]

I reckon they could've had the squibs footage at least play during the end credits montage.

[GazeboflossUK]

[Bongo]

Sorry, I don't agree.

You are all talking as the converted... You have forgotten that those who still accept the official narrative will find this film no more than CT'ist propoganda.

I have just re-watched '9/11 Press For Truth' after maybe about 18 months since the last time I saw it and it still got me.

This latest DA amature production is far from what was promised.... not by a small ammount... but by a (Hmm... thinking of a very large adjective???)... I dunno... 'GINORMOUS' maybe?

What was promised was a film that was going to make a huge difference... what I see is nothing of the sort. some of your over optimism above is misplaced simply because you have been blinded by the hype. come on people, be objective for heck's sake! You spend all of your time telling people to have an open mind to all the options... then when you are presented with this junk you buy it regardless?

Sorry, but it is very... very.... very (need I go on?)... Poor!

Regards,

Brian.

Ps. Stop supporting excuses. They told us that Sheen was Narrating it... If it is true that his family feared for his life then fair enough. However, all they (Avery, Jones etc...) needed to do was publicise his removal from the production long before the release date to solve the issue... but no... they continued to use his name for promotional purposes ??? (even though this would go against his families wishes to distance himself from harms way ??? )... and even right up until the film's release to the surprise of all viewers?

For the record, I do not believe that for a second. .... Too old.... too wise and too clued up to the manipulative ways of random folk to fall for that one again.

Still disappointed. (and maybe I would like to hear the opinions of some who are not familiar with the 9/11 truth controversy before I listen to opinions of those who regularly post here to judge how effective the film really is?)

Yours honestly,

Bongo

[GazeboflossUK]

You know.....I actually do see your points there bongo. Even though some parts of the Film were better than others, I can't help but think that for 1,000,000 bucks this is a let down. And again, it's not really about the money spent...

If I honestly attempt to step back and look at the film from the perspective of say...one of my friends who is still pretty clueless on 9/11....I actually do imagine that the 2nd Edition (despite it's downfalls) would spark up his interest far more. And as you mention - Press For Truth does an even better job at that.

Now, once someone is at that stage then there is a wealth of information/video that he could then seek out & view about 9/11 - I remember my first big "head in hands" moment with regards to the 9/11 cover-up and from that moment on it was like a drug, a highly addictive drug - which was free and opened the gates to so much more...

So - I can somewhat relate to your disappointment......I guess I really hoped this film would be so much more and I must admit that I was under whelmed.

[Frazzel]

hi i agree that press for truth and LC-FC are good films but i think also 911 mysteries could be included in the pack ofr those who wish to watch more evidence as it shows the nist/911 commission views versus the anomalies that contradict their views on how the towers collapsed. this is important as it gives people good scientific arguments to counter the OCTers.

[karlos]

Me personally the first on ethat i actually watched was 911 Mysteries and that got me hooked.
Loose Change 2 was an iconic movie and in terms of a novice watching was highly watcheable.
LCFC unfortunately only appeals to the most die hard and does not in it's current form engage the novices. I admit that i have a low attention span but my family who did watch 911 Mysteries and LC2 with great interest got bored within 10-15 minutes of LCFC as did i.
Michael Moore has set the benchmark for documentary movies. You have to inform the viewer as well as entertain them and keep them watching.

I have a feeling something else has occured. a dispute with Mr Cuban the original distributer perhaps?
Because the production quality, sound, editing seem to be not what one expects with a $1 Millin budget.

Still fingers crossed it becomes a box office smash and proves us wrong.

[B]

I welcome the controversy over the quality of LCFC, it'll spice up the weekend and help get truthers’ bums on seats at least!

But we mustn't lose sight of the prime purpose of this and any new film on 9/11 which is to engage NEW people to the cause, never mind about those who are already converted/committed.

My own mind was completely blown by Confronting the Evidence which is by no means one of the best films on 9/11 but I was so mesmerised by the content and so totally FURIOUS!! the last thing I noticed was the presentational style or technical quality or otherwise of the film.

That Moment of Truth/Raw Anger could happen to anyone with any of the films, so it really doesn't matter too much whether each new one is better or worse than the previous one/previous version, the main thing is to KEEP BRINGING OUT NEW FILMS and keep improving on what we’re putting out there because this keeps the momentum of the movement/campaign going. LCFC won’t be the final word on 9/11 by any means but it's 2007's word on it, it's the wave we're riding on NOW so let's go for it and give it our best shot.

Having said which, it would be relevant perhaps to conduct some kind of exit-poll on Sat & Sun to gage audience reaction to the film, esp. of people new to the issue, to see whether the criticism of Bongo et al is borne out in the real life situation. That would pretty quickly settle the debate as to whether LCFC is a film that campaigners can promote with full confidence – never mind its flaws, if this new film ‘does it’ for the as yet uninitiated. At least I suggest all old hands make it our job to try to identify newcomers sitting around us and get their reactions – as, said, possibly we could even do this in an organised way via a questionnaire, what do others think??

[physicist]

Torrent here:

http://tinyurl.com/2sd67d

The real thing.

[jfk]

loose change has had plenty of mainstream media coverage (bbc - conspiracy files, history channel, fox news, cnn etc etc...)

not much has changed.

[QuitTheirClogs]

MTV Canada promoting Loose Change:

http://www.mtv.ca/?vid=203559

[eogz]

Sorry been out of the loop for a while, no computer no internet. Borrowing a lap top for a couple of days.

Just watched LCFC, thought it was really good.

I really like that they have opened up sepculation and plausability on items that can't really be argued about the suspicious actions of 9/11. Too much focus on what others would call woolly tin foil hat theories would have damaged the viewability of the film for the first timer.

This and 9/11 mysteries are great introductions to 9/11 truth.

Let these films do their work, then people with opened minds can decide the rest for themselves....