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Mark Gobell
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| Quote: | Murdoch: I decide Sun's politics
Rupert Murdoch
Mr Murdoch complained about UK media ownership laws
Rupert Murdoch decides the political line of the Sun and News of the World, but not the Times and the Sunday Times, he has told a parliamentary committee.
The News Corporation chairman said he was "a traditional proprietor" as far as the red-top papers were concerned.
He decides who they back in elections but an independent board prevents him doing the same with the Times titles.
His comments were made to a Lords committee investigating media ownership and have just been made public.
'Cannot interfere'
Minutes of the House of Lords communications committee, which took evidence from Mr Murdoch during a hearing in New York in September, record that he acknowledged he had "editorial control" over the Sun and the News of the World.
They read: "Mr Murdoch did not disguise the fact that he is hands-on both economically and editorially.
I'm all in favour of a free market but this isn't a free market
Lord Fowler, committee chairman
"He exercises editorial control on major issues - like which party to back in a general election or policy on Europe."
But, according to the minutes, Mr Murdoch said the Times board was there to make sure he did not interfere in their titles and they added: "He never says 'Do this or that', although he often asks 'What are you doing?'.
"He explained that he 'nominates' the editors of these two papers, but that the nominations are subject to approval of the independent board.
"His first appointment of an editor of the Times split the board but was not rejected."
In other evidence, Mr Murdoch said Sky News could become "a proper alternative to the BBC" if it acted more like his US Fox News station.
"He stated that the only reason that Sky News was not more like Fox News was that 'nobody at Sky listens to me'," the minutes read.
Ownership laws
Mr Murdoch, who was born in Australia, also complained that UK ownership laws prevented him, as a US citizen, from moving into regional evening newspapers and had led to an investigation by Ofcom into his stake in ITV.
The Lords committee's chairman, Lord Fowler, speaking to BBC Radio 4's The Week In Westminster, said he disagreed with Mr Murdoch on this point.
Lord Fowler said it was eccentric that a foreign owner could take over ITV, but that if a UK media owner tried to take over a US company they would be legally barred from doing so.
He added: "There aren't reciprocal arrangements. I'm all in favour of a free market but this isn't a free market."
Hear the full interview with Lord Fowler on the World This Weekend, BBC Radio 4, 1100 GMT Saturday. |
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Or, the Guardian's version:
| Quote: | Murdoch wants Sky News to be more like rightwing Fox
Owen Gibson, media correspondent
The Guardian
Saturday November 24 2007
The media mogul Rupert Murdoch has said he wants Sky News to become more like his rightwing US network Fox News, and revealed the extent of his editorial grip on his British newspapers to a House of Lords committee.
The communications committee, chaired by Lord Fowler, toured the US in September to meet media executives, regulators and consumer groups as part of an inquiry into media ownership. Their conversations were made public yesterday in detailed minutes.
Murdoch said he wanted Sky News, which has confounded cynics by maturing into a well-funded and award-winning 24-hour news operation, to be more like Fox News to make it "a proper alternative to the BBC".
Due to the lack of impartiality laws in the US, Fox News became successful as a rightwing counterpoint to the perceived leftwing leanings of its rivals.
Murdoch said Sky may become more like Fox, even if there was no overhaul of news impartiality laws by Ofcom, by copying its presentational style. He complained that changes had not been made because "nobody at Sky listens to me". The BSkyB chief executive is his son James.
Murdoch, 76, recently added the Wall Street Journal to an empire that includes 20th Century Fox, the Times, the Sun, a stake in BSkyB, MySpace and interests in South America, Asia and Australia.
Murdoch restated his antipathy towards British legislators and regulators, saying the UK was "anti-success" and this had prevented him from expanding his media empire further. They kept investigating his purchases on the grounds of plurality, he said, but he had invested in plurality by keeping the Times afloat and putting 200 channels on the air through Sky.
He claimed the government's concern about cross-media ownership was "10 years out of date" given the proliferation of media outlets, and said concern over BSkyB's purchase of a 17.9% stake in rival ITV stemmed from "paranoia".
Next month John Hutton, secretary of state for business, enterprise and regulatory reform, will receive the Competition Commission's final verdict on the matter and decide what action to take.
In the minutes, Murdoch distinguished between the Times and the Sunday Times, in which he said he did not interfere in editorial matters, and the Sun and the News of the World, where he said he acted like "a traditional proprietor". "He exercises editorial control on major issues - like which party to back in a general election or policy on Europe," said the minutes. |
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A large proportion of local corner shops are in Muslim hands, is that also of any importance? |
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| Quote: | | A large proportion of local corner shops are in Muslim hands, is that also of any importance? |
Are they using their shops to push Muslim products on a worldwide basis? |
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| wepmob2000 wrote: | | A large proportion of local corner shops are in Muslim hands, is that also of any importance? |
Absolutley no comparison. Are they covering for 911? Getting blamed for 7/7 more like
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Could you point to the bit in the 'source' that confirms all these companies are owned by Jews? Thanks.
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| blackcat wrote: | | Quote: | | A large proportion of local corner shops are in Muslim hands, is that also of any importance? |
Are they using their shops to push Muslim products on a worldwide basis? |
So are you implying 'the Jews' are pushing 'Jewish products' on a worldwide basis?
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| blackcat wrote: | | Quote: | | A large proportion of local corner shops are in Muslim hands, is that also of any importance? |
Are they using their shops to push Muslim products on a worldwide basis? |
Is this a bad thing, even if it were true (which I doubt)? What is a 'Jewish product'. Does 'Jewish product' = Bad product, does being Jewish automatically a person as one of the bad guys? Help me here I'm a tad confused........... |
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| rodin wrote: | | wepmob2000 wrote: | | A large proportion of local corner shops are in Muslim hands, is that also of any importance? |
Absolutley no comparison. Are they covering for 911? Getting blamed for 7/7 more like |
Absolutely every comparison, if religion has a bearing on the media, then why not corner shops, the comparison is a valid one........?! |
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| Dogsmilk wrote: | | Could you point to the bit in the 'source' that confirms all these companies are owned by Jews? Thanks. |
I dont think the J word was used.
5 out of 6 companies are run by zionists. |
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| Thanks to Karlos for the correction. Not all Zionists are Jews. Nor are all Jews Zionists or supporters of the NWO (speaking from personal experience here). A concept that even after all this time Rodin, Blackcat, and others still fail to grasp...... |
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| wepmob2000 wrote: | | Thanks to Karlos for the correction. Not all Zionists are Jews. Nor are all Jews Zionists or supporters of the NWO (speaking from personal experience here). A concept that even after all this time Rodin, Blackcat, and others still fail to grasp...... |
We aren't allowed to grasp it because however much we say Zionist and protest that we are not talking about all Jews, people like you will ALWAYS drag the conversation down to it being about Jews. It is a not very slick trick to pervert any criticism of Zionism or Israel by tarring any such criticism as "anti-Semetic", whatever THAT means. People like you and Dogsmilk do it at every opportunity. If you showed some sympathy for the millions of Muslims being murdered by the Zionist dominated government of the USA, instead of apologising for them by alleging that to criticise their monstrous behaviour is blaming Jews, there would be some excuse for your lie but of course Muslims do not count as important in your distorted world of pro Zionist propaganda. Throw in a smidgeon of specious regret at the plight of Muslims to give some "balance" to your view and you can pretend that you are being even handed, whilst playing this anti-Semitic "you just hate Jews" drivel to attempt to shut up perfectly justifiable criticism of those Jews who DO do evil in the cause of Zionism. Along with all the non Jewish Zionists. |
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| blackcat wrote: | | wepmob2000 wrote: | | Thanks to Karlos for the correction. Not all Zionists are Jews. Nor are all Jews Zionists or supporters of the NWO (speaking from personal experience here). A concept that even after all this time Rodin, Blackcat, and others still fail to grasp...... |
We aren't allowed to grasp it because however much we say Zionist and protest that we are not talking about all Jews, people like you will ALWAYS drag the conversation down to it being about Jews. It is a not very slick trick to pervert any criticism of Zionism or Israel by tarring any such criticism as "anti-Semetic", whatever THAT means. People like you and Dogsmilk do it at every opportunity. If you showed some sympathy for the millions of Muslims being murdered by the Zionist dominated government of the USA, instead of apologising for them by alleging that to criticise their monstrous behaviour is blaming Jews, there would be some excuse for your lie but of course Muslims do not count as important in your distorted world of pro Zionist propaganda. Throw in a smidgeon of specious regret at the plight of Muslims to give some "balance" to your view and you can pretend that you are being even handed, whilst playing this anti-Semitic "you just hate Jews" drivel to attempt to shut up perfectly justifiable criticism of those Jews who DO do evil in the cause of Zionism. Along with all the non Jewish Zionists. |
That's very stirring speech, BC, but for it to work you'd need to provide evidence showing all these companies are run by 'Zionists'. More than that, it would be useful to show they're owned by Zionists: For example a company CEO is essentially a servant of a corporation whose role is simply to maximise profit for shareholders. Because that is why corporations exist; they are legally a person in themselves and their their sole function is to accumulate profit. Next you would need to explain why there is one exception to the specific function of a corporation; to wit, it also serves 'Zionism'. So whereas we can all understand how if the weapons arm of a corporation is selling torture equipment to some dodgy African dictatorship or something, its media arm will perhaps be rather quiet on the matter or said media arm will be reluctant to upset lucrative advertisers by flaunting their corporate dirty linen, you are suggesting 'Zionism' is the big thing they really care about. Simply getting upset with people who think there's more to this big bad world than 'zionism' unfortunately does not demonstrate this adequately, no matter how much you say "You're either with us or you're with the Zionists".
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| blackcat wrote: | | wepmob2000 wrote: | | Thanks to Karlos for the correction. Not all Zionists are Jews. Nor are all Jews Zionists or supporters of the NWO (speaking from personal experience here). A concept that even after all this time Rodin, Blackcat, and others still fail to grasp...... |
We aren't allowed to grasp it because however much we say Zionist and protest that we are not talking about all Jews, people like you will ALWAYS drag the conversation down to it being about Jews. It is a not very slick trick to pervert any criticism of Zionism or Israel by tarring any such criticism as "anti-Semetic", whatever THAT means. People like you and Dogsmilk do it at every opportunity. If you showed some sympathy for the millions of Muslims being murdered by the Zionist dominated government of the USA, instead of apologising for them by alleging that to criticise their monstrous behaviour is blaming Jews, there would be some excuse for your lie but of course Muslims do not count as important in your distorted world of pro Zionist propaganda. Throw in a smidgeon of specious regret at the plight of Muslims to give some "balance" to your view and you can pretend that you are being even handed, whilst playing this anti-Semitic "you just hate Jews" drivel to attempt to shut up perfectly justifiable criticism of those Jews who DO do evil in the cause of Zionism. Along with all the non Jewish Zionists. |
Did you actually read Rodin's little comment above? You still have yet to illustrate the importance or relevance of 96% of the worlds media being in "Jewish hands". You seem to think that words are being twisted, they're not, the words speak clearly for themselves. I don't need to drag any topic down to any level, statements like "96% of global media is in Jewish hands according to Weltner" do that perfectly well. If you have proper evidence that this in fact is 'Zionist hands', then please bring it on, I'll have a good read and be much more inclined to believe that this is what was meant.......... Although I think we both know we'll have a long wait.
I have also failed to notice myself leaping up in protest at more considered posts with a similar theme, which according to you, I should be busily denouncing as anti-semetic. (Which in fact would be about 50% of the posts on this board). When someone posts well informed pieces, such as some of the stuff Blackbear has posted of late, I will read, digest, and not criticise, even though their outlook is often very much anti-Israeli.
Well judged and sourced criticism of Israel and its policies is constructive and enlightening, endless harping on about peoples origins and ancestry religious outlook is not. |
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