noseout or dust/explosion out?

[marky 54]

this is a repost from anyother thread, that i'd like opinons on from anybody who thinks i am wrong and why. after two people point blank ignoring it and avoiding it i felt it needed a thread of its own to see how many geniune response it gets from a tv faker or npt'er.

i fully accept i could be wrong but would like to know why or if it is a possible explaination of the nose out.


the plane crashed into the side of the tower at great speed and in one direction, it is not suprising that debris from the plane and debris gathered along the way were ejected out of the opposite side of the towers in the same direction.

the only error of course is that it was a "nose out".

i see a explosion which takes on the form of a dustcloud before the orange ball of fire emerges, which also had debris within it and exiting the fireball and landing in the street.

the dustcloud goes through the windows, meaning when the dustcloud first emerges it is shaped like the windows because the airflow is moving forwards at great speed, it then vanishes as the dustcloud and explosion take on the appearence of a cauliflower once outside the towers.

blow some flower through a straw as hard as you can it will emerge in the same shape as the straw nearer to the straw before emergeing into a ball of dust.

take note of how exhaust fumes come out of the back end of a car, nearer to the exhaust in takes on the shape of the exhaust exit hole.

no suprise then the emerging explosion nearer to the towers first takes on the shape of the windows its emerging from giving it the appearence of an object emerging due to windows having a typical square/flat sided shape that the airflow is pushed through.

now watch again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A9VtRWJXj0

examples can be found anywhere, they might not be the exact same situation but they demonstrat the shape and appearence things take when pushed through with enough pressure, in every case the item or object things are pushed through dictates what shape the emerging substance first takes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO0dAplClkU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afe2v6eklSI

so what shape would a dustcloud take in the first few seconds if pushed through a few of these with enough force or pressure?

http://911logic.blogspot.com/2006/11/911-tv-fakery-whistleblower-pinoc chio_17.html

IMO the nose in nose out is just an optical illusion due to the speed things happen, the plane smashes in and on the same path something exits out looking simular to a plane nose but does not match a plane nose.

it is quite logical that the emerging grey smoke/dust that comes out the side of the tower also comes out the side of the tower directly across from the impact like a giant squib, making it look like the nose passed completely through, then we get the fireball followed by debris being thrown out on the same path also.

it explains why theres no exit hole and why it only seems to appear from side on or underneath and dos'nt seem to appear like anything other than a dust cloud/explosion from head on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcLsH_bhh8Y&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1ecBmsn4QU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D9Kfa2u2J0&feature=related

if anyone disagrees explain why my information is wrong as i WILL admit when im wrong or if i missed something.

:edited to fix broken link edited again to type this.

[jfk]

what are the chances of dust/smoke being exactly the same as the shape of the cgi nose!
if it looks like a cgi nose, etc etc...

[chek]

[marky 54]

[gruts]

[telecasterisation]

[gruts]

I'm getting deja vu....

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=9642

[marky 54]

[marky 54]

just incase anybody thinks the engine part would of left a hole here are the debris.

http://911review.org/brad.com/wtc_plane_debris.html

the engine part is'nt that big next to a person and seems to be straight down one side as if brushing past something but squeezing through.

http://911logic.blogspot.com/2006/11/911-tv-fakery-whistleblower-pinoc chio_17.html

now scroll down and look at the blacked area where the fireball came through, it appears some steel has been bent outward slighty.

[Ace Baker]

Compare these two views, which are synchronized. I'd say the one on the left is authentic, the one on the right has a nose-out added. In any case, they cannot both be authentic, they are mutually exclusive.

[Stefan]

[Ace Baker]

If they show exactly the same thing, why is one lumpy and looks like dust, while the other is smooth, and looks like a nose/missile?

They don't look the same, and you know it.

[rodin]

[chek]

[Stefan]

Ace,
I didn't say they look the same, a different angle on something can completly change how it looks, I was saying that they correlate.

The one on the right looking "smooth" could be a result of compression.

In fact this frame by frame of yours is useful, becuase the more I look at that "nose out" shot the more it looks like dust - it changes shape and expands s it progresses out of the building.

In fact, the more I look at it the more I feel the solution could be a "squib" firing off early, triggered by the impact damage.

I'm not closing the book on this one, I do consider it to be a mystery of 9/11, but as I look at it frame by frame - it looks more like a squib each time I see it.

[chek]

[Ace Baker]

Not only are the two videos above inconsistent with each other, they both are inconsistent with Chopper 5.

Chopper 5, the noses comes to a point. An exploding squib cannot come to a point.

Please offer a physical explanation of how an explosion can come to a point.

Absurd.

[chek]

[Jack]

[gruts]

Ace - if you genuinely think that the image on the right is a "nose-out" then please provide the nose-in from the same video for comparison, so we can judge for ourselves.

[Stefan]

Or at least explain why the nose grows and puffs out as it exits - much like a violent forced out stream of debris and dust.

Really, Ace, watch it carefully on the right hand shot - why is it changing shape as it comes out of the building?

[telecasterisation]

We have been over this 23 gazillion times - it cannot be the nose of the aircraft as the exiting 'object' is a fraction under twice the size of the width of the aircraft.



To save me putting figures into anyone's mouth;

The blue circle that fits the object within a couple of feet - this fits the size of the WTC 8.5 times. Check the size of the WTC, divide by 8.5, then compare to the width of the aircraft in question = not the aircraft.

[Ace Baker]

In chopper 5, the "dust explosion" is indistinguishable from the nose. I've already proven this.

Anyone who disagrees is invited to take the "nose out challenge".

Is there anyone on earth who claims to be able to reliably distinguish between the nose and the "dust explosion" in Chopper 5? This is scientifically testable.

Who dares?

[chek]

[paul wright]

Yes, thanks for those frames, Ace. I've never found the 'nose out' explanation convincing, for many of the reasons listed in this thread. It certainly looks like a solid object in the right. However judging just by the shadows cast, in both - it looks like the same event

[Ace Baker]