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| Mark Gobell wrote: | | There were other events going on on 7.7 though wasn't there? |
there was drills going on in New York and in Canada the same day.
Possibly the same companies involved. ICTS/Huntleigh and Verint/Comverse
multiple station closures, fire alerts, warnings of disruption sent by text message by Transport for London to Oyster card holders, false stories about power surges and maybe some real power surges as well
that day was all about maximum panic and maximum fear
no real terrorists could have planned for or hoped for all the coincidences that occured that day |
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But there were other gatherings in London too
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| Mark Gobell wrote: | | But there were other gatherings in London too |
| Quote: | Netanyahu was to have been the scheduled keynote speaker at an Israeli corporate investment conference at the Great Eastern hotel near the Liverpool Street subway station. Conference participants were evacuated from the hotel. Shalom said he wasn't aware of any Israeli casualties. Netanyahu had been scheduled to stay in London until Sunday, but that could change, said Amir Gilad, a Netanyahu aide. Shalom speculated the attackers might have taken advantage of the fact that police resources were diverted to a meeting of Western leaders. The Israeli ambassador to London, Zvi Hefetz, said Thursday that British police had called to tell embassy personnel to stay inside their offices. "There is fear that this wave (of violence) has not yet ended," Hefetz said.
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Surely Staraker knows about these?
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Staraker knows about everything same as we do but at the moment happens to be still in the 'official' theory camp.
If we can convince him to come over then we will be able to convince many others.
So best way is to keep sticking pieces of the jigsaw together.
Guiliani and Nethanayu and many others were in town that day.
G8 was taking place in Scotland with plenty of world leaders and the Olympic commitee.
The London bombings occured on that day precisely because of the multitude of people who were in town. it was designed to shore up support from a flagging and a war weary population. As well as boost support amongst the 23 nations who lost a victim during the bombings and the G8 and the other dignitaries who were in town.
Mossad played that day an absolute blinder. Dont forget the two weeks of events they had planned including the Sharm El Sheikh bombings on the 22/7/2005. The whole idea of false flags is to boost flagging support and get people to rally against a percieved threat.
Today 7/7 is being used as an excuse to bring in new and even more brutal laws against UK citizens.
So the sooner we expose it for the fraud it is......... |
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Or maybe not . . .
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| Mark Gobell wrote: | | But there were other gatherings in London too |
There "other gatherings in London" every week of the year. Or do you think that those that were meeting on 7/7 had only ever unqiuely met on that day? |
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| karlos wrote: | | Staraker knows about everything same as we do but at the moment happens to be still in the 'official' theory camp. |
If I'm in any "camp," it's the "logical deconstruction" one. If someone comes up with a genuine smoking gun that stands up to scrutiny, I'll be happy to accept it. In the meantime, however, it doesn't help anyone for people to buy into theories that rest oin foundations that are as fundamentally flawed as the desperate claims about what Visor was doing that day, which go against everything that is known about what the company actually does. |
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| paul wright wrote: | | Canary Wharf story doubters, personal report of the events of the day on this page |
LOL! An effectively anonymous statement forming the first ever post by that person to that forum? Yeah, that'll stand up in court... |
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| Staraker wrote: | | Mark Gobell wrote: | | But there were other gatherings in London too |
There "other gatherings in London" every week of the year. Or do you think that those that were meeting on 7/7 had only ever unqiuely met on that day? |
I have no idea what you are talking about Star.
Care to explain?
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LOL! An effectively anonymous statement forming the first ever post by that person to that forum? Yeah, that'll stand up in court... |
It's information, that's all. How much it will be backed up,I don't know.
I suspect the informant is associated to MD but could be wrong
It's a first call by someone claiming to have been at Canary Wharf, which I think should be noted. I've contacted the guy and will let you know of any outcomes
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| Staraker wrote: | | rodin wrote: | | Why would a poster have star in their name? |
Because back in 1986, when I and a friend decided to do a Dr Who fanzine, but also planned to do some other related fan publications, we chose the overall name of "Staraker Publishing" to cover everything, "lifting" it from the name of a spaceship that had appeared in a Star Wars comic a few years previously. The fanzine ran for almost nine years and the name was used throughout that time. When it can to registering here, it seemed as good a nickname as any. That's all it is. Nothing "meaningful" (except to me personally), no "hidden message", no tortuous anagram. Although it has been amusing seeing some people's paranoid speculations on the matter.
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If you must know it is because I used Rodin's 'Thinker' reversed as the logo for my Contrarian Thinker website.
It was not for a bank. Whoever Visor were working for, they had to RESPOND TO THE EVENT.
No simulation in a room somewhere would do that. It had to be connected to the ground, or in this case the Underground. Run by ex CIA and protected by ex Mossad.
What are the odds of NO CCTV evidence?
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Remarkable that 911 and 7/7 were preceded by TV programs about such similar scenarios. Not sure why 'they' would do that, but 'they' did.
Did you catch the bit in 'Extras' where Keith Chegwin asks of the BBC 'Is it still run by Jews and queers?'
Whatever did he, and the scriptwriters, mean? Broadcasting such a sentence on a BBC channel.
Was it a Peter Power moment?
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| dontbelievethehype1970 wrote: | Without wishing to pss on anybodys bonfire, "muad-dib" asking for £100 cash donation for some legal rights pamphlet from the makers of this documentary is a bit rich.
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I think an attempt to make a bit of cash with essentially the same info as promoted by Adam Blair is ok
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| rodin wrote: | Remarkable that 911 and 7/7 were preceded by TV programs about such similar scenarios. Not sure why 'they' would do that, but 'they' did.
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It is possible that 'they' wanted to plan effectively for such an event happening. Which it duely did and for which they were well prepared. Seems logical to me ! |
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| paul wright wrote: |
I think an attempt to make a bit of cash with essentially the same info as promoted by Adam Blair is ok |
With respect, I dont think it is ok - £100 is 'quite a bit' of cash.
Asking people to send £100 in Cash to a PO Box for a document suggests a scam - not something that a truth movement should be associated with. |
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| dontbelievethehype1970 wrote: | | paul wright wrote: |
I think an attempt to make a bit of cash with essentially the same info as promoted by Adam Blair is ok |
With respect, I dont think it is ok - £100 is 'quite a bit' of cash.
Asking people to send £100 in Cash to a PO Box for a document suggests a scam - not something that a truth movement should be associated with. |
Yeah well ok. I obtained the same info for £20 which I thought a bit expensive
I'll challenge Muad over this some time
Of course you can always ignore it.
I've got the dvd quality copy of this, as opposed to the download
It'll cost anyone who wants it a hundred quid - no sorry I mean nothing -£0.00
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Yeah, I am sure he will understand - after all, he does sound like a really great bloke, lol. |
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| dontbelievethehype1970 wrote: | Without wishing to pss on anybodys bonfire, "muad-dib" asking for £100 cash donation for some legal rights pamphlet from the makers of this documentary is a bit rich.
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We all have to eat.
I dont blame him and a donation to him would be a good cause. He has after all made the film available free of charge and allowed everyone to copy and distribute it as they see fit.
Peter Power was also more famously in charge of the Libyan Embassy siege when PC Yvonne Fletcher was shot.
Later proven not to have been from the Embassy itself. |
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What are the odds of NO CCTV evidence? |
As Muad says there is ofcourse plenty of cctv evidence but it just doesnt show what the official line says. That is why they have not made it public. They said the same thing about Jean Charles de Menezes too.
The CCTV may have been destroyed or it may be waiting to be revealed during some later inquest.
Or it may have been doctored.
There is ofcourse no logical reason for it not to have been released straight away like the 26/6 and 21/7 stuff was. |
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I dont blame him and a donation to him would be a good cause. He has after all made the film available free of charge and allowed everyone to copy and distribute it as they see fit.
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imho use a request for any donation then.
Have you ever considered joining the Nigerian 9/11 truth movement? They need to use a British Bank Account to transfer some funds, in return for a generous comission.
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Peter Power was also more famously in charge of the Libyan Embassy siege when PC Yvonne Fletcher was shot.
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How do you know this? |
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| karlos wrote: | | rodin wrote: |
What are the odds of NO CCTV evidence? |
As Muad says there is ofcourse plenty of cctv evidence but it just doesnt show what the official line says. That is why they have not made it public. They said the same thing about Jean Charles de Menezes too.
The CCTV may have been destroyed or it may be waiting to be revealed during some later inquest.
Or it may have been doctored.
There is of course no logical reason for it not to have been released. |
| Quote: | STOCKWELL Underground Station
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The available CCTV evidence shows Jean Charles DE MENEZES walking calmly into STOCKWELL Underground station just after 10:00hrs on Friday 22 July 2005. He was wearing a denim jacket, T-shirt and denim jeans. He was not carrying anything.
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Mr DE MENEZES is seen on the CCTV to select a copy of the Metro newspaper. He then walked to the ticket barrier, used an Oyster card and walked through the turnstile. He then turned left towards the escalator to the Northern line and walked down on its left hand side. There are no recordings, which cover the lower end of the escalator or platform, the relevant tapes, when seized by the MPS, were found to be blank.
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Witness XJ is the station supervisor at STOCKWELL Underground Station. He details the procedure for changing the CCTV tapes and the fact that they are changed every 24 hours. At 03:09hrs on the morning of 22 July witness XJ changed the tapes of STOCKWELL Underground station and pressed the record button on all three tape machines. The tape for VCR number 1 is exhibited as CC/1.
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On the 25 July 2005 witness XK attended STOCKWELL Underground station following a report that VCR 1 was not working. He met Detective Constable L from the Metropolitan Police at the station.
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Following a test on the equipment it was established that the signal between the multiplexor and VCR was broken.
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Witness XL is a senior communications engineer. On 26 July 2005, he was notified of a fault on the CCTV system at STOCKWELL to the extent that VCR number 1 was not recording. A colleague of his had reported the previous day that a cable had been damaged and possibly severed.
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On arrival at the station, witness XL and another colleague, witness XM entered the control room and saw that VCR number 1, which is a time- lapse video recorder fed by eight cameras, was giving an audio/video loss alarm. All eight cameras are fed down one cable into the VCR. It was not picking up an input from the cable and, as a result, was giving off an audible alarm. Witness XL commented that while this was an unusual problem it could have been due to the station being re-furbished.
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On further examination a cable was found to be damaged. This was in an area of the station where work had recently been carried out. Witness XM is of the opinion that the cable connector had been stood on, causing it to break.
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Witness XN is the Senior Consultant in Forensic Video at, BSB (Forensic) Limited. He is listed in the UK register of expert witnesses. On 29 July 2005, at the request of the IPCC, he attended STOCKWELL Underground station to examine the CCTV system.
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Witness XN was also asked to examine the tapes taken from VCR number 1 from the period 11/7/05 to 22/7/05. He reports that the majority of tapes, including the tape for 22 July 2005, contain a silver screen with the text No Signal. This text is consistent with the signal to the video recorder being disconnected or broken. Witness XN also indicates that when the tapes were changed, the audible alarm would have been heard by the persons changing the tapes.
Underground Train
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Witness XO is employed as a Technical trainer. He teaches track maintenance and repairs. His company are responsible for the maintenance of trains and depots on the Northern and Jubilee London Underground lines. At 15:15hrs on Friday 22 July 2005, witness and his colleague witness XP attended STOCKWELL Underground station.
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Witness XP is a Contracts Manager. His duties include the download and removal of recorded information from Northern line trains. An underground train has six cars. They are split into two units of three. The car in the middle of each unit is called the trailer car. On each trailer car there is a digital video recording system. The system records cameras that are located on each unit of the train. Each car has two cameras. The digital video recording system includes a removable hard drive device which is enclosed in a steel caddy. It is locked and the key is kept in a key safe.
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Witness XP states that that the hard drives were missing from the train entered by Mr DE MENEZES because they had been removed after the 7/7 bombings. He further states that he has checked the documentation for the two units and there is no record of any replacement. Some trains on the Northern line were fitted with new hard drives after 7/7.
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Witness XP also states that the units had been correctly removed from the train and the hard drives correctly shut down. He saw no evidence of the unit being removed by anyone other than trained staff.
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Police Officers, Detective Inspector M, Detective Sergeant N, Police Sergeant O, Detective Constable L and Police Constable P all detail the
involvement in the seizure of CCTV evidence.
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Given the significance of CCTV evidence in criminal investigations and the widespread use of CCTV on public transport systems, the amount of potential evidence that is missing is a matter of concern. The IPCCinvestigation has revealed that in each of the three major areas, (bus, station and train) there are explanations for the lack of CCTV evidence. From the independent evidence available, it is the opinion of the IPCC Senior Investigator that no CCTV material has been destroyed and there is no evidence of a cover-up to withhold this evidence from the investigation. |
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| karlos wrote: | | Mark Gobell wrote: | | There were other events going on on 7.7 though wasn't there? |
there was drills going on in New York and in Canada the same day.
Possibly the same companies involved. ICTS/Huntleigh and Verint/Comverse
multiple station closures, fire alerts, |
The latter happens; the former largely a result of the latter, but not unusual in their own right.
| Quote: | | warnings of disruption sent by text message by Transport for London to Oyster card holders, |
Part of the regular text alert system, in this case reporting the results of the fire alert.
| Quote: | | false stories about power surges and maybe some real power surges as well |
"False" only as in that that is what it initially looked like. That's a bit like an initial report of a fire being non-suspiscious is "false" is superseded by a relaisation of arson when more is known about it. "False" implies a deliberate attemot to mislead, rather than simply an incorrect first assessment on the information available.
| Quote: | that day was all about maximum panic and maximum fear
no real terrorists could have planned for or hoped for all the coincidences that occured that day |
Except that most of the "coincidences" are nothing of the sort, and by the law of averages it could have happened on any number of other says with similar supposed "coincidences".
I see from the news that there are delays on the Piccadilly due to a signal failure at Finsbury Park. These things happen all the time. |
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