Major hatchet job on David Shayler/Annie Machon

[PaulStott]

Stott's original title
Major critical Article on David Shayler/Annie Machon

I am one of two authors of a detailed critique of David Shayler and Annie Machon in the new issue of the parapolitcal magazine Notes From the Borderland.

I have major reservations about both Shayler and Machon, and believe that anyone involved in the 9/11 Truth Movement needs to ask themselves some pretty searching questions about just who they are getting into bed with when they cosy up to these two former spooks.

David Shayler and Machon are both extremely late converts to the 9/11 Truth cause, indeed well into 2005 both seemed to believe that that the security services needed to modernise and up their games to prevent similar attacks. They did not believe that the US was itself responsible for 9/11. Equally to see them talking now about "false flag attacks" when Annie Machon failed to even mention this tactic in her lengthy 2005 book, is extremely curious.

Could it be that the whole industry that has developed around 9/11 (the books, the conferences, the radio shows and subscription websites) are a better money maker than the roles of "public figures" and "peace campaigners" previously adopted?
This is especially the case as I believe it likely that both indivduals had overstayed their welcome in the UK anti-war movement - indeed Shayler's red baiting is never far from the surface for a man who claims to be progressive. Secondly given David Shayler's allegations that the Stop the War Coalition has been penetrated and damaged by the security services, his (and Annie Machon's) failure to do anything to expose this stand in sorry contrast to their public comments.

One of the reasons Shayler/Machon are respected in 9/11 circles is precisely because of their past intelligence roles. Yet Shayler never mentioned Al-Qaeda in regards to the MI6 Libya plot until after 9/11, and the longer he has been out of MI5 the more grandoise his claims have become about the security services and Al Qaeda. Indeed he even suggests that large numbers of Islamic terrorists were allowed to settle in Britain to create a specific threat, without mentioning he was working for MI5 at that very time! Physician heal thyself!

I am well aware that both David Shayler and Annie Machon are personable characters. Given their profession was to infiltrate organisations and groups without attracting suspicion, before damaging those groups (and/or their members) they are bound to be amenable individuals. That is what they have been trained to be, at public expense.

It is perhaps natural to feel sympathy when someone is targetted by the state as David Shayler has been. Such sympathy is not something Shayler himself dishes out - the former MI6 officer Richard Tomlinson, exiled from Britain due to state machinations, gets no support from either Shayler or Machon, but is instead condemned as "still working for Six". You can make your own minds up by going to www.richardtomlinson.typepad.com

What I ask is that 9/11 Truth activists read my article (and indeed some of the previous articles published in Notes From the Borderland) which show that Shayler in particular can change his line on an issue as often as he changes his pants.

In London you can get NFB from Housmans in Kings Cross, Borders in Oxford Street or on-line via www.borderland.co.uk

The truth is out there, but you do have to look for it occasionally........

[IronSnot]

Thanks Paul. I know nothing about Shayler but I have been following the Tomlinson case since 99. And Tomlinson does strike me as genuine especially in regards to the harrassment he's suffered so the allegations that he's still part of 'six' do seem a little suspect.

[scar]

The truth is out there, but you do have to pay for it occasionally........?

[IronSnot]

Oh well, it's not spam though as too much effort went into the post.

[scar]

That wasnt my point. I didnt say spam did I?
There is no information offered for free. None.
Conjecture and insinuation but no actual evidence. You have to pay for that. If there is actually anything there once you have paid who knows...
Did you follow the links?
As you said you "know nothing about Shayler"
Watch Mind the Gap:
http://www.officialconfusion.com/77/mindthegap/Flash_400on2_64/mindthe gap.html
David on 9/11 here:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5403286136814574974
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2953150409490347185
or Terrorstorm (in which David and Annie are interviewed): http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4757274759497686216

Then maybe you will have an idea.

edit: notice no money is needed to watch any of the links above

And Paul, I havent been "getting into bed with....these two former spooks."
This is a decentralised campaign so everyone follows their own convictions.

[numeral]

paulstott wrote:

[scar]

[Dr Hemp]

[DeFecToR]

[PaulStott]

[scar]

[DeFecToR]

[Justin]

PaulStott wrote on his website:

Quote:

A Message to the 9/11 Truth Movement I posted the following statement on the forum of the UK and Ireland 9/11 Truth Movement earlier today. Time will tell what sort of reaction I get...........

My reaction is very simple. David and Annie have done a bloody marvelous job in supporting the 9/11 Truth Campaign in this country over the last twelve months. More to the point, what have YOU actually done to get the truth out? Not a lot I suspect.

Sorry, old chap, my message to you is very simple....don't waste our time - try tackling the real problems and instead help expose the global elite who are manipulating world events towards a new world war. My guess is you haven't got the courage or the guts to do so.

[Abandoned Ego]

[ian neal]

I have got no reason to believe Annie and David are anything but 100% genuine. If they are trying 'to infiltrate us' and turn us in some nefarious direction they are making a pretty bad job of it.

That said I always say people should avoid shouting shill or state agent without evidence. Whilst I'm unimpressed at having to pay to read this, Paul claims he has some evidence. I will atleast take the trouble to read what he has written and then feedback.

In the meantime, Paul can I ask whether you support the united call from all of us here (with the exception of a few critics in critics corner) for a further investigation of 9/11?

And secondly whether in undertaking your research into this network, its history and its 'organisation' and David and Annie's involvement with it, did you speak/contact any of 'us'?

[IronSnot]

If Shayler says Tomlinson is still part of 'six' and it turns out that Tomlinson is not part of 'six', would this not indicate that Shayler may still be part of 'five' or indeed even 'six'?

Tomlinson has been hounded from Britain to France, New Zealand, Australia, the US, Switzerland, Russia and now back to France again. It seems unlikely with that level of hounding (and a real problem trying to get his book published - eventually he had to do that in Russia) that he is still part of 'six'.

Sorry this gives me some doubts about Shayler.

[Abandoned Ego]

[IronSnot]

Well I don't know anything about Shayler, so until I read up on him, I'll hold my judgement. But people yelling shills is not a good look, for posters here or anybody in the 9/11 movement. Before opening their mouths, they should have the proof.

It's my belief that Tomlinson is genuine. I could of course be wrong, but that's my reading of it.

And Paul Stott reads ok, but he should have given us some of the material so that we don't have to pay £3.50 for the privilege.

[andyb]

Paul Stott, you my friend are a hypocrite. How the hell can you say the movement is funded around sales, throw accusations around and then provide us with a link to your own rag that has to be bought. Most 9/11 truthers who produce films encourage free copying and distribution, hardly the work of a capitalist.

If Dave and Annie are still working for the security services I, for one, hope they send in some more as they are doing a great job for us.

[Annie]

[andrewwatson]

David or Annie are most definitely genuine 911 truthers as their actions, words and transparent passion for the movement shows. No one who has heard them speak could be in any doubt of that. It seems absurd that any of us should have to defend two people who work so hard promoting the truth about September 11th, 2001.

As Andy says, if they are working for M15, send us some more!

[andyb]

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/leedsbradford/2006/07/346435.ht ml?c=on#c152924

Check the cartoon at the bottom of the page. allegedly from NFB!!

[Andrew Johnson]

I only just saw this.

I wrote this a while ago. Just in case anyone wants to know...

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=704&highlight=euryth mics

[Dr Hemp]

Thanks for this link Andrew, I did not see it before.

After reading some of that poisonous filth from O'hara and Notes From the Borderland, it was nice to read such a nice tribute to David & Annie who have given so much to the 911 truth movement. I'm sure they can take it in their stride and probably even expect that kind of muck to be thrown at them after they took the decision to go public with the truth, however, I'm sure they will appreciate such positive stuff to be written as well. Thankfully there is far more positive stuff written about David and Annie than O'hara could ever contend with. That's because the truth is on the side of this movement, and people are getting starting to get fed up with lies and bullsh*t, whether it comes from the Government or NFB.

I will have to dig out some old Eurythmics records and have a listen!

Chris.

[IronSnot]

[Snowygrouch]

To Mud Slingers,

WHO actually KNOWS WHO IS WORKING FOR WHOM?

How do any of YOU know I`m not an infiltrator?!

I`ve organized talks, invited Annie to speak been very public in my views.
Oh and all this very late in the game too, after a "friend of mine" just happened to give me Annies phone number......and I`m at Uni in Oxford a very traditional stomping ground for s.service recruitment OOOooooohhhh sounds fishy eh?!

Just as Andy B says: if they are working for the securty services theyre doing a bloody fantastic job for us regardless.

Personally I cant be sure of ANYTHING 100%. Any or all of us can be informants totally without our knowledge, our phones tapped, emails intercepted and conversations used without our knowledge so just as I said:

"Err WOT?"

Since the media and Gov are always slagging em down why do you feel it important to ADD to that frenzy?!

Anyone who is well informed (as I like to be) know exactly what Dave and Annie are reguarly accused of and quite frankly

"I dont give a flying ****"

Calum

Do me a favour and write a report on something we DONT know!

[Annie]

[Andrew Johnson]

Annie,

I have been curious to see how this time, they have blamed Iran for Hezbollah's weapons supply etc and they haven't even quoted the use of intelligence information! (Presumably because their spin is/will be that it was so "unreliable" last time. Of course, as the death of David Kelly shows us, it wasn't unreliable, it as ignored or falsified at the appropriate level.) A truly terrible state of affairs.

[Jay Ref]

[Annie]

Jay Ref

You'd be surprised (or possibly not) at quite how much time MI5 does spend looking at drivel. That was one of the points David and I blew the whistle on.