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| marky 54 wrote: | did you notice how the news anchor had to keep asking questions and making references to mock or imply its all fake?
it happens everytime they mention it on the news. |
Actually I reckon it's shifted. The thing they have been made to look stupid as politicians are now pressured by web exposure - they see the internet as at least equal to main news programs in their influence and the MSM has quickly had to drop[ the idea they can monopolise the questionings and coverage with silly, plastic content.
It's not anywhere near good enough - but something has changed.
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This video has some of the cases from the disclosure project and some others I haven't seen before. This is the first of 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdZpRcTBwdA&feature=related
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I got sent an email about this -
It looks like the international space station from a different angle to me.
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It looks like the international space station from a different angle to me. |
No - if you read the whole article they demonstrate an image of the ISS for comparison, along with one of the shuttle.
These other things are
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b: totally different in appearance.
On another forum someone is claiming he made the models from Lego.
This is of course why 6 military heli's have buzzed his house in the last few weeks - all caught on tape.
Idiot.
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Utopiated, I did read the whole article, and lay off the ad hominem please.
They show the space station from a single angle, if they had shown multiple angles they could have ruled out the space station, but by showing the same single image over and over it makes it a non claim.
Show me photos of the space station from every side and we can rule it out - until then there is no need to consider it anything exceptional.
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| Stefan wrote: | Utopiated, I did read the whole article, and lay off the ad hominem please.
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OK, you lay off the paranoia inducing substances that make you think I'd written that response just to attack you. It shows you don't read things fully as I mentioned 'someone on another forum' it wasn't about you you you.
Deal  ?
Why can't ppl see that the US intel/miltary don't send countless helicopters out on a whim. You need to look at "proof" from an array of sources in this era - your desire to centre the whole thing on just image validation will get you nowhere - this is the era of photoshop and mass manipulation of everything you see hear feel.
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utopiated,
If I got the wrong end of the stick I apologise.
But you will note that I was responded to just this one claim, and my point regards just this one claim.
I have not made any over-arching comments on UFO theories or provided my opinions on same. It's you who is making that inference.
My point stands: I thought the image comparrison was lame - it did not rule out the photographed object being the space station at all.
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| Stefan wrote: |
My point stands: I thought the image comparrison was lame - it did not rule out the photographed object being the space station at all. |
Even so - the idea that all the images [there are more] are of different views of the ISS is ludicrous... we have numerous shapes and sizes and also footage of 2 or 3 objects in the same area - is this the ISS in triplicate or morphing to put on a cute little display for video-astronomers??
Note that this image looks nothing like the above one:
Rationality and checking facts is one thing - but this constant need to jump in and demand nit-picking facts when viewing things from just one aspect gets tiring. Isn't it more useful to examine the possibilities of such a situation and the motivations behind it than l00ping round discussion points?
Anyway - that's me done on this one.
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This Sumerian stuff is from Zacharia Sitchin correct? And its been proven to be false, Sitchin is inept when it comes to knowledge of anceint Sumerian language and symbolism! and will even ignore any challenge
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| zoomer wrote: | | This Sumerian stuff is from Zacharia Sitchin correct? And its been proven to be false, Sitchin is inept when it comes to knowledge of anceint Sumerian language and symbolism! and will even ignore any challenge |
Just another disinfo Jew.
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| zoomer wrote: | | This Sumerian stuff is from Zacharia Sitchin correct? And its been proven to be false, Sitchin is inept when it comes to knowledge of anceint Sumerian language and symbolism! and will even ignore any challenge |
no the sumerian stuff is from the ancient culture named as such not from sitchin.
like i said im not intrested in the claims made by voice overs, only what is certain, ie artifacts.
the same goes for maya also, i find it intresting they depict a mechanical machine on one of their wall decorations, why would they show such things if they were a primitive tribe and had never seen such things?
either they did see such things, were technologically advanced or had the power of foresight ie: could see into the future.
as for the sumerians they depict our solar system with an additonal planet and have the sun in the centre, therefore they knew things we did'nt know untill more recent times. they show 12 planets including sun and moon. forget sitchin look at the artifacts.
look at the atrifacts yourself, take what you will from it, i aint seeing the one with the planets depicted here, but im sure if you have not seen it searching sumerian on the web you'll come across it.
why you bought up sitchin i'll never know, i certainly never mentioned him and made it clear to ignore the "claims" and only take notice of what is certain, ie: artifacts and in the case of the maya depicting mechincal machines etc etc.
search other cultures to you'll see the same theme through out, ignoring it is just a form of denial, im only offering a starting point, its up to others to look ferther.
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Then I urge you to look closey at two of these sources I link you to. Admittedly--it will be difficult, and i hope not to patronise you saying this. I know it can be painful to be convinced of something and find out it might not be true. But surely real exploration is being preepared for shocks and surprises.
Many sites exist which claim ancient art proves existence of UFOs, but as is explained for, example, the Old Masters artworks. These artworks were commissioned by the Church. And the authority of that institution in tose days was extremely oppressive and would not have allowed ANY intrusion of some
object not part of the established canon of belief!
Most of the sites online who claim the contrary basically borror from each other, and do not have an art historical knowledge about what various images may refer too, anyway explore this link to see what I mean:
http://www.sprezzatura.it/Arte/Arte_UFO_eng.htm
also checkout http://www.ivanfraser.com/articles/conspiracies/etagenda.html and scroll down to explanations for 'wall decorations'
Understand that I am NOT claiming that there is proven not to exist unexplainable phenomena in our skies, and that this may have been seen ancinetly. I am just rather showing how we might jump to conclusions of 'evidence' for that assertion because of ignore-ance of art history, and mythological interpretation
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WTF does that mean??
Sitichin is not inept or "wrong".
It's funny when people think they can knock and discredit researchers that have done so much work over decades. Why not bring out your own series of books explaining why he is wrong - this is far better than merely having an opinion.
Sitchin realised that there isn't really an objective conversion of writing/images into another language - especially if you consider shifts in time etc. Instead he was giving the best interpretation he knew of based on the Sumerian culture and other stuff that was part of that eRa.
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| zoomer wrote: | Then I urge you to look closey at two of these sources I link you to. Admittedly--it will be difficult, and i hope not to patronise you saying this. I know it can be painful to be convinced of something and find out it might not be true. But surely real exploration is being preepared for shocks and surprises.
Many sites exist which claim ancient art proves existence of UFOs, but as is explained for, example, the Old Masters artworks. These artworks were commissioned by the Church. And the authority of that institution in tose days was extremely oppressive and would not have allowed ANY intrusion of some
object not part of the established canon of belief!
Most of the sites online who claim the contrary basically borror from each other, and do not have an art historical knowledge about what various images may refer too, anyway explore this link to see what I mean:
http://www.sprezzatura.it/Arte/Arte_UFO_eng.htm
also checkout http://www.ivanfraser.com/articles/conspiracies/etagenda.html and scroll down to explanations for 'wall decorations'
Understand that I am NOT claiming that there is proven not to exist unexplainable phenomena in our skies, and that this may have been seen ancinetly. I am just rather showing how we might jump to conclusions of 'evidence' for that assertion because of ignore-ance of art history, and mythological interpretation
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thanks for an alternative opinon ill look at the claims, however im trying to look at all this stuff and draw my own conclusions, its no suprise there is a site saying the opposite, the point is what are the artifacts telling us and who's claims does the evidence match over and over again?
if it was as simple as showing a site that trys to debunk it then nobody would be here on this website, i could provide links that say the opposite of anything claimed on this site, like i said the point is looking for yourself and coming to your own conclusions.
its why i keep saying ignore claims and look at what is ie: cannot be disputed, if ancient cultures made sculptures of figures that look like greys which many people who get abducted describe then thats a fact not disinfo. if cultures sculpted figures that appear to be spacemen then that is a fact.
wether ancient cultures were depicting greys or spacemen is another matter altogether, but it seems strange that all over the world and in many different ways images have been recored that seem to have the same theme, look for yourself and draw your own conclusions.
we could always go on believing the ancients were dumb and were terrible at drawing and sculpting accurate representations of human beings if thats more comforting.
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Well up until now I thought this thread was utter bo**ocks, and was one I have avoided. But now I have had a UFO experience, and no longer am so sure.
To put this into context, I'm a former fighter controller with the RAF, and basically know one end of an aircraft from another, but saw something two nights ago for which I have genuinely have no explanation....
I saw a flame like object slowly fly in an easterly direction then turn southwards, it looked like the flame from a gas stove, bright orange in colour but its light was steady and bright. I'm not the only one, a couple walking home saw it too, and asked me what it was, but I had no answer. There were no strobe lights as you would expect from an aircraft at night, if anyone has seen anything similar please get in touch. |
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| One other thing, for those who deny the existence of aliens and such-like. If we, as a relatively primitive species, have a fair theoretical grasp of the causes of the big-bang and the birth of the universe, who is to say a more advanced civilisation have not put this into practice, maybe as an experiment? If nothing else, this is a way scientists can reconcile intelligent design with evolutionary theory................ |
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| wepmob2000 wrote: | | One other thing, for those who deny the existence of aliens and such-like. If we, as a relatively primitive species, have a fair theoretical grasp of the causes of the big-bang and the birth of the universe, who is to say a more advanced civilisation have not put this into practice, maybe as an experiment? If nothing else, this is a way scientists can reconcile intelligent design with evolutionary theory................ |
Not so fast with the Big Bang. Do you know that it requires galaxies to be receding from ours at multiples of the speed of light? And a load of other hokum
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| wepmob2000 wrote: | Well up until now I thought this thread was utter bo**ocks, and was one I have avoided. But now I have had a UFO experience, and no longer am so sure.
To put this into context, I'm a former fighter controller with the RAF, and basically know one end of an aircraft from another, but saw something two nights ago for which I have genuinely have no explanation....
I saw a flame like object slowly fly in an easterly direction then turn southwards, it looked like the flame from a gas stove, bright orange in colour but its light was steady and bright. I'm not the only one, a couple walking home saw it too, and asked me what it was, but I had no answer. There were no strobe lights as you would expect from an aircraft at night, if anyone has seen anything similar please get in touch. |
wot no cameraphone?
akshly - would not have zoom to pick up sky objects prolly
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| utopiated wrote: | | rodin wrote: |
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WTF does that mean??
Sitichin is not inept or "wrong".
It's funny when people think they can knock and discredit researchers that have done so much work over decades. Why not bring out your own series of books explaining why he is wrong - this is far better than merely having an opinion.
Sitchin realised that there isn't really an objective conversion of writing/images into another language - especially if you consider shifts in time etc. Instead he was giving the best interpretation he knew of based on the Sumerian culture and other stuff that was part of that eRa.
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Alien hoax
Majesty Twelve
William Cooper, author of Behold a Pale Horse, explains why he has retracted earlier claims that ET's are in communication with the secret government, and how the entire ET-UFO scenario is a massive hoax designed to hide real Earth-based technology and a deliberately created tool of the Illuminati to further aims in the New World Order.
http://www.ivanfraser.com/mainpages/links.html
Sitchin hoax
http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/sitchinerrors.htm
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| sitchin carved and made all those ancient artifacts???? amazing! |
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| rodin wrote: | | wepmob2000 wrote: | Well up until now I thought this thread was utter bo**ocks, and was one I have avoided. But now I have had a UFO experience, and no longer am so sure.
To put this into context, I'm a former fighter controller with the RAF, and basically know one end of an aircraft from another, but saw something two nights ago for which I have genuinely have no explanation....
I saw a flame like object slowly fly in an easterly direction then turn southwards, it looked like the flame from a gas stove, bright orange in colour but its light was steady and bright. I'm not the only one, a couple walking home saw it too, and asked me what it was, but I had no answer. There were no strobe lights as you would expect from an aircraft at night, if anyone has seen anything similar please get in touch. |
wot no cameraphone?
akshly - would not have zoom to pick up sky objects prolly |
I did have my phone, but was too captivated by what I was seeing, as you say it probably would not have picked up the object anyway  But for me the jury's out on this until proved otherwise, all I can say is that it was a flying object which I have no explanation for (it wasn't saucer shaped or anything else). |
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| Quote: | Well up until now I thought this thread was utter bo**ocks, and was one I have avoided. But now I have had a UFO experience, and no longer am so sure.
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10 million people could all have the same experience at the same time and see the same thing, the rest will still walk around believing it was anything but what you saw, they will also try to tell you what you saw as though they know what you saw when they was not there.
they will also ignore history and discredit the person(sitchin) rather than comment or look at the artifacts for themselves.
i have had a simular experience, but i would'nt describe what i saw as a flame, i saw a light like a large brightly lit star in the daytime and infront of the clouds, which moved around inways impossible to known manmade craft, it then shot of into the distance across the skyline at an incredible speed.
yes manmade technology exsists that we have not got a clue about, yes the nwo may well see an advantage of using an alien type scenerio, but does that mean there is no chance some of these experiences are something else?
you have to look at all recent cases and go back in time imo inorder to answer that question.
wether people like rodin like it or not, acient people were depicting strange flying craft and figures that look like greys or spacemen.
if people want to ignore it by linking it to sitchin then thats upto them, but i advise people to ignore claims and look at the evidence.
then again i believe those who have not had an experience are so narrowminded they block themselves of from the truth, because its only when you have had the experience the possibilities hit you and open your mind enough to look and listen at the mountain of evidence. |
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Hello everyone, i know i haven't posted on here for quite some time but i would like to draw your attention to a recent meeting that was held in Washington DC on the subject of UFO's.
It was held on 12th November 2007:
http://www.freedomofinfo.org/
Please read the transcripts of the people that were there is found them very fasinating and intresting.
One of the people that attended the meeting and took part was Nick Pope who served with the british goverment for 21 years and was head of the british goverments UFO project.
I myself have been in contact and talked to Nick Pope numerous times by Email and he has directed me to some very intresting websites like:
http://www.prufospolicedatabase.co.uk/
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http://ufomonthlymagazine.co.uk/
Also here is a rather long youtube video done by the Disclosure Project in 2001:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk
Also look at this website:
http://www.outofthebluethemovie.com/news/news.html
Plus i hope that everyone on this forum had a very happy christmas day and will have a happy new year.
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Hi Louise, Yes, I only recently became aware of this 'new disclosure' at http://realityuncovered.com which seems a good place to de-construct things 
SO.....we have this fresh disclosure. let us begin to investigate it shall we?
I only a while back emailed the other DP place asking info there, how the heck can we take Dr Greer seriously when he believes the Moon was landed on.
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| marky 54 wrote: | | Quote: | Well up until now I thought this thread was utter bo**ocks, and was one I have avoided. But now I have had a UFO experience, and no longer am so sure.
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10 million people could all have the same experience at the same time and see the same thing, the rest will still walk around believing it was anything but what you saw, they will also try to tell you what you saw as though they know what you saw when they was not there.
they will also ignore history and discredit the person(sitchin) rather than comment or look at the artifacts for themselves.
i have had a simular experience, but i would'nt describe what i saw as a flame, i saw a light like a large brightly lit star in the daytime and infront of the clouds, which moved around inways impossible to known manmade craft, it then shot of into the distance across the skyline at an incredible speed.
yes manmade technology exsists that we have not got a clue about, yes the nwo may well see an advantage of using an alien type scenerio, but does that mean there is no chance some of these experiences are something else?
you have to look at all recent cases and go back in time imo inorder to answer that question.
wether people like rodin like it or not, acient people were depicting strange flying craft and figures that look like greys or spacemen.
if people want to ignore it by linking it to sitchin then thats upto them, but i advise people to ignore claims and look at the evidence.
then again i believe those who have not had an experience are so narrowminded they block themselves of from the truth, because its only when you have had the experience the possibilities hit you and open your mind enough to look and listen at the mountain of evidence. |
Hi Marky
I agree 100%, I've never discounted UFOs entirely, because so many credible people have seen them, but basically thought the majority of reports were merely attention seeking.
One really credible source I'd like to draw everyones attention to is 'Leap of faith' by Gordon Cooper, I bought it initially because I read and collect accounts of manned spaceflight, but have since re-read what Gordo Cooper has to say on the subject of Extra Terrestrial life and the probability of visits to the Earth.
He's a firm believer, and definitely no nut-job, as he was rigorously psychologically tested by NASA prior to flying Mercury and Gemini missions, he's about as 'level headed' as its possible to be.
Thinking about the scale of the universe, billions of galaxies, each containing billions of stars and solar systems, its impossible that the universe isn't teeming with life, here we are orbiting a very average star in an average galaxy. This situation must be repeated several billion times over... at least! Its unbelievably arrogant to think we're the only intelligent life or that more advanced civilisations are not keeping an eye on us. Its interesting that the number of UFO sightings soared after we discovered nuclear fission (surely an epoch in developmental terms).
Those who say its impossible to travel across interstellar space only need to look back 100 years in our past, when the noted intellectuals of the time would have said what we have, and have done since then, was impossible. |
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| Quote: | | I only a while back emailed the other DP place asking info there, how the heck can we take Dr Greer seriously when he believes the Moon was landed on. |
sorry zoomer, i do not see how you can question somebodys credibility on that one point. lots of people firmly believe we landed on the moon regardless of if it was landed on or not.
to question greers credibility on that one point would mean questioning everyones credibility on any subject if they believed we landed on the moon.
for example: an expert in the field of astrology believes we landed on the moon, does that mean their knowledge or findings on astrology are void as a result?
i think not.
| Quote: | | I only recently became aware of this 'new disclosure' at http://realityuncovered.com which seems a good place to de-construct things |
how do you know what your trying to de-construct unless you had that particular experience yourself?
trust me those who try to debunk have not had the experience so imo in no postion to know what they are talking about or what they are trying to debunk, anyone can make up the reason why these things happen, imo its not about de-constructing if your serious about the truth, its about listening and watching and considering the evidence. its to easy to debunk things with guesses about what it could of been, but that dos'nt mean the debunker is correct.
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-8427512536463851079&q=u.f.o +sighting+uk&total=159&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=4
lets take this example for instance, what are you debunking? are you going to tell the women she did'nt see what she knows she saw? who is the one in a postion to know? certainly not the debunker who has never seen it or had the experience.
this is where listening and considering is needed not debunking with guesses.
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=5528221803618873796&q=u.f.o+ sighting+uk&total=159&start=20&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=4
then there is the visual instances which somebody will always say is fake or swamp gas even though they have no proof the video was faked etc.
sure people do fake video's and make things up, but ignoring geniune cases as a result would be a major error where investigating is concerned or researching.
i could so easily say, the first video was the women hallucinating and the second was military flares, i don't know if thats the case at all but i debunked it, case over go home and relax if i had not had the experience myself and i thought i knew better than those who actually have had the experience.
there is a void between someone who has seen and somebody who has not, debunkers just make things up to keep their reality as they believe it to be and ignore what is reported and seen as a result. |
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marky 54
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| Quote: | | Those who say its impossible to travel across interstellar space only need to look back 100 years in our past, when the noted intellectuals of the time would have said what we have, and have done since then, was impossible. |
exactly, there is not one reason to assume it is any different today ie: believing things to be impossible which later become reality.
its a key thing to understand when talking about other advanced civilisations which must exsist somewhere out there.
just because we have not got the intelligence or knowlegde at this moment, dos'nt mean other more evolved lifeforms have not also. |
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Louise
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Marky 54 wrote:
"just because we have not got the intelligence or knowlegde at this moment, dos'nt mean other more evolved lifeforms have not also."
I coudn't agree with you more marky 54.
That's where human arrogance creeps in, just because the human race dosen't have that level of technology or knowledge they think that no other civilisation could possibly have it.
It seems that some people are very reluctant to admit that other civilsations in space are more advanced than us.
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