EU referendum... not. Evidence of a fascist state in GB

Rory Winter · Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 7:07 pm Post subject:

No, all that's in your own fevered imagination, Justin. With excellent leaders like Alex Salmond at the helm Scotland can look forward to being an equal part of a confederated states of Europe where it will play a far more democratic part than anything ever allowed it by the Auld Enemy in London.

It's predictable that whenever someone picks the weak spot in the Free UK Argument you lot try to reduce it into a caricature about the Scots. Why not add some cheap jibe like the English always do in referring to another nation?

BTW, 'Bonnie Prince Charlie' was a treacherous numpty who betrayed his own Highland people. Please don't equate us with that neer-do-well.

Justin · Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 7:32 pm Post subject:

Has any one got the dates of the SNP conference to make Rory happy?

Oh! BTW, I wrote to Alex Salmond about 9/11 enclosing a copy of In Plane Site in September 2004......and you know what!!!!....he returned the DVD unwatched because he couldn't use a DVD player because he didn't have one. How sad is that? Rory, my friend, Alex Salmond is like the rest of them. Our politicians governing us today are either sheep or traitors. It's as simple as that. Please wake up my friend!!!!

Rory Winter · Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 7:42 pm Post subject:

You're (deliberately?) missing the point, Justin. This Forum should remain strictly non party-political and simply deal with matters surrounding the events of 911, 7/7 and the like.

What has happened is that it has become a meeting ground for Europhobes and UKIP-supporters who are now abusing this Forum with propagandizing their part conferences. It should not be allowed. Otherwise the 911 Forum will become increasingly associated with UKIP.

No party political affiliations here, please!

Rory Winter · Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 7:47 pm Post subject:

Justin · Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 8:12 pm Post subject:

Rory my friend, this Forum IS non-party political. The Lib-Dems, Greens, Tories, New Labour....they've all been under the spotlight and have been found wanting. This Forum is also about getting to the TRUTH about all things to do with 9/11 including the NWO's ambitions to form countries into Unions (EU, NAU, APU, AU etc).

Rory Winter · Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 9:08 pm Post subject:

If it is non party-political how come that UKIPpers are allowed to advertise party political conferences on its Calendar? C'mon, how impartial is that?!

Rory Winter · Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 9:20 pm Post subject:

Ref the Daily Mail article you quote above (do you expect me to take that fascist rag seriously?) this is a plan to dismember nation-states. As nation-states are a feudal-capitalist invention I say Hooray, the sooner the better!

Justin · Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 9:43 pm Post subject:

Rory, you're not listening......we've advertised LibDem and Green Party Conferences in the past on the Forum and 9/11 truth campaigners, including myself, have been to Labour and Conservative conferences.

As regards your second comment, you just don't get it, do you? You really don't mind jumping from the frying pan into the fire! Can I suggest you get this book http://www.davidickebooks.co.uk/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=50 as he connects all the dots beautifully. His Chapter on the EU will answer all your questions.

(Something tells me I'm going to regret suggesting this as you will no doubt have your forthright views on David Icke as well.)

BTW, a book that inspired me in the past was Leopold Kohr's 'The Breakdown of Nations' written in the late 70s. So I'm no 'Little Englander' as you appear to have me down as.

Rory Winter · Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 10:44 pm Post subject:

Yes, all these conferences were advertised in order that folk could go to lobby the 911 message. That's fine, great idea. But Pikey is a Ukipper whose purpose to advertise this UKIP Conference is in order to proselytise the Europhobes' message. Very different thing as I'm sure you can see but won't admit.

As for dear David Icke, I know you're one of his disciples. I can't help liking the fellow but consider some of his views -particular his confusion between reptile-brain and reptilians- totally off the trolley. I have heard similar reports about his paranoia about the EU in the book you quote. Great stuff, no doubt, for late-night conspiracy theorists after a strong joint.

Thanks but no thanks. I'll give it a miss.

That's not to say that the masses are not controlled. It's bloody obvious that they are and that governments spend a tremendous amount in Research and Development of new techniques. It's a booming industry that goes way, way beyond the mesmerism practised in Atlantis.

Am just preparing a collation of Vaclav Klaus' anti-socialist comments given as a link to the Brussels Journal article about the CIA-stooge, Vlad Bukovsky, and also supported by our right-wing friends on the Brussels Journal.

Oh dear, what company you keep, Justin. First the reactionary Brussels Journal and then the Hitler-supporting Daily Mail ... what next I dread to ask ...

Frying pan into the fire? I don't think so. The map for tourist promotion seems a grand way to dismember the abomination that masquerades as a United Kingdom. As an ex-colonial, I've waited a long time to see the day. Only hope I'm alive to see it's final end.

An interesting aside: during my days as a Green councillor in the Highlands I occasionally preached hellfire & brimstone to the other councillors warning them about what the Earth Changes (as I prefer to call them) would bring. As most of them were Highlanders & still fairly close to the land I think it scared some of them sh!tless. Others laughed it off & said I was going the way of our David.

That's why though I disagree with him in part I really like the guy! He's a national institution, nothing less Smile

Rory Winter · Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 11:35 pm Post subject:

So this is what your favourite right-wing rag, The Brussels Journal, has to say about another famous CIA-stooge much loved by George Bush, Vaclav Klaus of the Czech Republic. He and Vlad Bukovsky make a fine pair!

Anti-EU Hard-liner Vaclav Klaus

Czech President Warns Against “Europeanism”
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/206

"The most impressive speech during the recent Regional Meeting of the Mont Pelerin Society* was undoubtedly Czech President Václav Klaus’s 'View from a Post-Communist Country in a Predominantly Post-Democratic Europe.'", says the Brussels Journal in this report:

Rory Winter · Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 12:58 am Post subject:

Justin: this CIA-stooge, Vlad Bukovsky, interviewed in The Brussels Journal in the link you give above is clearly just as hard-line right-wing as he ever was.

Having read this article I note that he refers to the EU as "a socialist conspiracy" and goes on to describe a secret pact between the EU and the old Soviet Union, brokered by the Trilateral Commission no less, to create a huge socialist federation in Europe!

If only it were true, people like me would be cheering from the rooftops! No doubt the right-wing Europhobes on this Forum and Rodin will be muttering into their collars, "I told you so!". And so will all the undeclared Thatcherites here present.

Interesting reading here: we discover that Vlad, so beloved of the CIA, "spoke at the invitation of the United Kingdom Independence Party, of which he is a patron."

So he is a UKIP patron. Now that's interesting. Why would an old Cold Warrior like Vlad want to be a patron of UKIP? And more's to the point: why would UKIP want an old Cold Warrior as their Patron? Does this suggest a more tenable link between the Cold Warrior mentality and UKIP? This really does merit much deeper investigation by all those interested in the CIA, the CCF and those who inherited the Cold Warrior mindset, post 1990 ...

You see, readers, what I mean about UKIP being an extreme right-wing party with even National Front sympathisers and racists in it?

Returning to Vlad the Impaler, he tells us that he has documents to prove a “conspiracy” to "turn the European Union into a socialist organization." Well that would be no bad thing would it ... if it were true. But it's not. EU social-democracy is a long way from socialism and I can only imagine that that's what he's referring to: ie. social democracy.

Now social democracy is what the old Labour Party was mostly about. Something so many sorely miss now that it has been replaced by Blair's babes' Nu Labor 'neo-liberalism/neo-conservatism'. So we can safely assume that Vlad, like his fellow-traveller, Vaclav Klaus of the Thatcherite Mont Pelerin Society, detests old Labour and applauds Nu Labor.

I make the point just so that we can get one's bearings.

But why does this UKIP "hero of the 20th Century" live in Britain and not return to the beloved Russia which he worked so hard to liberate from the Commissars? Afraid of something, perhaps? After all, the CIA is no friend of Mr Putin's Russia is it and no doubt our Vlad is still on their payroll.

Back to the documents that Vlad has revealed. Mmm, interesting, I wonder just where these documents originated? I'd put my money on Langley, Virginia. For those babes-in-arms among us I should point out that Langley, Virginia is home to your friendly men in black from the CIA. The very same CIA that used to fund the Congress for Cultural Freedom in which our Vlad was a star attraction in the 'eighties.

Vlad's take on reality is quite remarkable. He even suggests in his interview that Denmark and Ireland never voted to join the EEC as it then was. He's an octagenarian now and one might think he suffers from Alzheimers. But no, my own memory of his past activities remind me that he was always an inveterate liar ... and now a UKIP patron. Nice.

On democracy, he makes the astounding statement that, "The European Parliament is elected on the basis of proportional representation, which is not true representation." Oh really, just when so many are calling for it in Britain? Not true representation? Then what is? Another right-wing putsch, no doubt, the kind carried out in the USA by Bushco in 2000, again in 2004 and (lay your bets now) to be repeated in 2008.

So, you can see what kind of fella our Vlad is. You've heard from Vaclav already, both so beloved of our Champions of Democracy in UKIP. I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions why UKIP should choose such interesting bedfellows ... Justin, take note.

xmasdale · Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 6:56 pm Post subject:

Rory Winter · Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:25 pm Post subject:

I was bitten by a poisonous snake when an infant and though given the antidote had to sit up all night so that the venom didn't reach the heart. It was a very weird trip!

Some people on this forum will now understand why, in their eyes, I remain such a poisonous snake Wink

BTW, what's wrtong with reptiles? They're harmless creatures that try to keep out of trouble, unlike that most dangerous species, homo sapiens.

I don't know of many reptiles that are blood-suckers either. All this stuff about reptilians is based on a falsehood about reptiles, ie things they are not. Romantic nonsense.

If Icke had referred to the reptilian brain which we, as humans, all have that would be credible as the reptilian brain is considered to be where the human gets it survivalist, flight or fight, messages when in danger.

TonyGosling · Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:49 pm Post subject:

I'll vouchsafe that Justin doesn't mean that at all. He is saying that he believes Rory's got it wrong not that he shouldn't be allowed to express his view.

And it seems you are also aligning yourself with the EU. Please don't do that. Several points:-

1. The Commission - roughly equivalent to our cabinet - is worse than unelected. It is made up of failed politicians that Europeans have voted out of office.

2. The Parliament - is a sham, it has no real power at all, all it can do is delay legislation if it gets its act together and it can't bring forward legislation.

3. The ERT draws up all new European policy and laws in secret. It is made up of the biggest transnational corporations in the NATO countries - representation from ordinary people is specifically excluded.

4. It is a formalised fascist system of government for Europe, what I have called "Hitler's wet dream" and if European nations are idiotic enough to go along with it there will be civil war type conflict right acoss the continent. That's why there will be no referendum because ordinary people don't want to live under a fascist system.

In short the EU is a ticking time bomb and if you're interested in reading about its origins and superstructure please read these two papers from my Bilderberg website.

1. The Bilderberg Group & the project of European unification
http://www.bilderberg.org/bildhist.htm#The

2. "Imagine yourselves to be dictators of Europe"
The Dekker Paper, the Political Agenda and a Constituency for Delors - extract
http://www.bilderberg.org/bildhist.htm#dictators

Rory Winter · Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:08 pm Post subject:

TonyGosling · Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:49 pm Post subject:

Rory, we're not going to get anywhere if you simply ignore documents showing the fascist nature of the EU like the ones I presented there...

Leiff · Trustworthy Freedom Fighter Joined: 23 May 2006 Posts: 509

Rory Winter · Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:28 pm Post subject:

Leiff · Trustworthy Freedom Fighter Joined: 23 May 2006 Posts: 509

Rory Winter · Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:48 pm Post subject:

Leiff · Trustworthy Freedom Fighter Joined: 23 May 2006 Posts: 509

Rory Winter · Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:09 pm Post subject:

No, I mean a European Defence Force (EDF) which has not yet come into being but is planned for the future. An independent force controlled by Brussels directly.

The Rapid Reaction Force is nothing to do with it and was set up under the aegis of Washington, Blair & Co.

Leiff · Trustworthy Freedom Fighter Joined: 23 May 2006 Posts: 509

Rory Winter · Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:41 am Post subject:

You've got your answer so why repeat yourself? The RRF is not the same as an EDF and is the product of Bushco, Blair, Sarkozy & Co. It is an extension to NATO and an attempt to ensure that a future EDF is controlled by Washington DC.

TonyGosling · Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:11 pm Post subject:

I don't think we're ever going to agree on this Rory and I'm not holding my breath waiting for your response to the documents below because it seems you've already aligned yourself with the EU fascists.

Yes, the EU has brought benefits to many of the regions such as Wales, Ireland and Scotland. These are somewhere between a sop and a bribe. And I'd have hoped you could see that.

Any centralisation of power must be thoroughly examined for signs of totalitarianism - something that, if you read the documents you'll see, was designed in from the start. Please read those 2 hard-dug-out (by me) documents if you want a reply from me.

Not only that, fascism is there as I have pointed out, for all who have eyes to see at every level in the current manifestation of the EU.

Anyone who tries to pretend that those who campaign against the EU are the 'enemies' of 9/11 Truth is just making it up out of no basis in fact. You'll find that there are a higher proportion of 9/11 Sceptics in the anti-EU lobby that in the overall population.

You'll also find that most 9/11 Truth campaigners are anti-EU. But not all which is why your voice is an important, if erroneous, one.

Pikey · Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:04 pm Post subject:

Blimey I flag up the fact that our democratic state of government malfunctions and replicates the type of action one would associate with a fascist state and ask the question is this a wake up call?

Noel states

Rory Winter · Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:16 pm Post subject:

Tony, what you call fascists were mainly social-democrats until the introduction of the east European nations with so many hard-line closet fascists of the kind that Vaclav Klaus represents. And those closet fascists are enthusiastic Bushco supporters for a new American Century.

the questions I have put to the Europhobes about the paradox in their position regarding 911 and their de facto support of the London-Washington relationship through consistently attacking European Union and an independent European Defence Force remains unanswered. It's one or the other with no other alternative in sight this side of global revolution.

Silence from the Europhobes who have no alternative.

Going onto your articles which I have scanned briefly before examining them in greater detail: nothing there surprises me. And I have already answered Leiff in acknowledging that there would have been a lot of Bilderbergers involved in setting up the embryo of the EU which is a capitalist organisation.

But, as one of the writers in your articles acknowledges, a lot of water has flowed under the bridge since the 'fifties. As the EU becomes more powerful so it becomes more of a challenge to the old trans-Atlantic power-structure of the USUK.

The UK, through losing its Empire and markets is now steadily in economic decline. Hence its need to be part of a larger economic trading bloc. It chose to align itself with the rest of Europe. Most people in 1973, I recall, voted to join the Common Market because they were afraid of what would happen if Britain stayed out of it.

If Britain were to leave the EU now it would soon be swallowed-up by another power bloc which, given the existing realities, would be the North American Free Trade Association (NAFTA) which Rupert Murdoch would like to see happen.

Given these two options I prefer to remain in the EU lending solidarity to the European Left and the social-democrats. For all I know you may prefer NAFTA and the Americans as Leiff seems to. If there is a third option then I would be very interested to hear about it.

Rory Winter · Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:28 pm Post subject:

TonyGosling · Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:05 pm Post subject:

I'm a socialist and many of us have seen our political party - the Labour Party - infiltrated by the Oligarchs and city of London.

If you think New Labour is is any way socialist you're kidding yourself.

Rory Winter · Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:36 pm Post subject:

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