Shayler & Lockerbie

[flamesong]

Poisoning the Well

[conspiracy analyst]

it had nothing to do with the Libyans.

But then again what the collective knowledge of mankind is, or was, is always lost on those who have an agenda.

Lockerbie was the precursor to 9/11 in the sense of Arabs involved in 'terrorism'. It was a means of pressurising Libya to become more pro-western and not support the Palestinians.

The sanctions on the country as a result of Lockerbie, a manufactured event was to set the tone eventually for the following decades.

[Ally]

[flamesong]

Ally, you are so immersed in your own vitriol that you don't even recognise when somebody is in general agreement with you. How you interpret poisoning the well is a product your own prejudice. You obviously don't read other peoples' contributions before you retaliate.

Did you not read the thread I started about The Maltese Double Cross? Oh, yes! You were the first to reply! By what logic does that make me side with David Shayler's view of Lockerbie?

And I realise that sharing the same point of view as me will throw you into confusion - you will have to rethink the black vs white paradigm you occupy.

However, as I stated in my previous thread, I would like to hear what David Shayler has to say now before I would even consider the kind of accusations that you make.

[utopiated]

Lockerbie was a narco trafficking black op. Interesting that the MDC director died in controlled circumstances [US Airport... easy to zap and cover up] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Francovich - after being hounded when he tried to show the film in various places.

If you're tuned into this area... you'll already know that the SAME people that were involved in 9/11, JFK and Bay of Pigs were also involved here. This involvement is documented. The death of a key player from Iran Contra narco-running along with 7 other CIA types is also fairly well known.

Two useful media items to get you started if new to the arena...

http://www.utopiated.net/narcotica/general/lockerbie_-_the_narco_traff icking__money-laundering_cover-up_of_103.html

That link contains a streamed audio piece and a document by a UK researcher.

If you want to download the radio show and not stream it I suggest you visit and D/L from the excellent, informative http://TakingAim.info - although there may be ads on that version.

Q: Is Ally making a useful point?
A: Yup. Because it leaves us with three options:

1. D.S. saw the evidence during his time @ phive and believes it correct.

2. D.S. doesn't really believe it BUT has made so many statements that the [state/intel] case is right he feels he cannot retract wholly or partially.

3. D.S. Know's his/the intel line is BS but for whatever reason is continuing to espouse it.

All/any these points in my book should throw up varying degrees of alarm. Someone made the point that DS should be allowed to change which is of course true. It's just all a little hazy given the fact that the we have established that false flag operations take place because it's like saying, in the face of mounting data to the contrary, that 103 was an air-tight [no pun] no-nonsense case where the various intel services were this time moral and fair.

[utopiated]

[telecasterisation]

That's strange, it might have been a misprint in early Lockerbie reports, but I always thought it was carried out by Librarians not Libyans.

I see things completely differently now.

Also, had you told me five years ago that we would currently be faced with a new Take That album, I would have said you were crazy. It is truly astonishing the way the world functions.

[Ally]

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