Question to so-called organisers of UK Truth Movement

[ZIONISM_IS_THE_ENEMY]

[John White]

[ZIONISM_IS_THE_ENEMY]

[Dogsmilk]

For a start, this "Jews run the media" (you cannot possibly say "Zionists" without demonstrating that each Jew you isolate is a political Zionist) works by picking out every Jew you can find in the media as 'proof' they run the media. Nobody in particular 'runs the media' - that's an incredibly simplistic analysis of a vast and highly complex institution. Much of the media comprises vast corporations, Corporations exist simply to make money - that's their purpose for existence. These corporations will generally act in accordance with this. They are owned by their shareholders - the CEO is primarily responsible for making money for the shareholders. If they fail to do this, they are sacked. They will seek to maximise market share, preserve the status quo that facilitates this, protect other corporate arms of the same vast corporation etc.
So anyway, first you find Jews in the media (there are a lot of Jews in the media. So what?). You assume they're all 'Zionists', then assume they all share the same ideology and work to exactly the same ends (evidence?). Generally, being Jewish by ancestry tends to qualify people, whether they practice or not. This is ridiculous. I was raised a Christian but do not believe in the Christian God - am I still a 'Christian' in some binding sense due to my lineage? You can't just point to people of Jewish lineage in important positions and say "Oh look, Jews own the media" - you can do exactly the same exercise to say something equally banal like 'Christians own the media'.

Finelstein's analysis looks at how the holocaust has been exploited tp promote the political interests of Israel. This does include faked holocaust material (like it's surprising that happened) In that I think he makes a compelling case (you also need to appreciate it's nowhere near as big an issue over here - our media does not bang on about the holocaust and I think you're exaggerating the frequency of coverage somewhat) - it's an unsavoury exploitation of human suffering to justify crimes but unfortunately human nature allows for this all too frequently - just look at how much 911 has been exploited by Blair and Bush. Or how many lies were told about how grave the threat from the Soviet Union was to justify all kinds of grim foreign policy antics during the cold war. Finkelstein produces well researched, well argued analyses that look at the exertion of influence to close down debate about Israel, but you'll notice he at no point resorts to outlandish statements like "Jews own the media".
Regarding 911, what's your commercial? What have (let's not beat around the bush here) the Jews got to do with 911? If you're going to suggest they pulled it off, you need to explain why America let them (it's ridiculous to suggest you'd notice but the entire US security apparatus wouldn't). So I suspect this would lead to a variant of 'Jews run the world' (if you like your Finkelstein here, you'd have to challenge his account of how the relationship with Israel and America developed post 1967 and the notion that Israel is, ultimately, a client state of the US, not the other way round).
If you want to argue that 'Jews run the world', then go for it. DH is right - it's a mirage. One frequently supported by people who are miffed at the way WWII turned out.
Otherwise, you'll find plenty of people here (myself included) who are appalled at the actions of Israel, but this does not mean this should be a preoccupation of 911 truth - I'm sure the Palestine Solidarity Campaign would be pretty cheesed off if there were demands for them to discuss 911 ad infinitum. Similarly, campaign against the arms trade don't go on about animal rights all the time and the ALF SG don't bang on about the arms trade, despite the fact there are people who support both.

So even if 'Jews run the media' (which they don't), you have yet to explain why on earth this is so crushingly significant. It would have been amazing if the media had started shouting 'inside job' - the media (generally) preserve the status quo. This applies to all kinds of things - the media happily supports ludicrous notions like private control over every square inch of the planet is a dandy idea, you should be 'patriotic', the army is a fine career choice, flags are somehow important, celebrities are interesting, fashion is important, factory farming animals is fine, 'you've nothing to fear if you've nothing to hide' etc etc etc. Is this all the work of 'the Jews'?

You say it's a BIG problem, but have yet to make any case for its relevance to 911 except for some specious argument about the media which you fail to explicitly link to 911 in particular.

[Craig W]

Dogsmilk (and anyone else),

Would you agree with the following statement (if not, could you explain why and/or amend it):
There is an unusually high concentration of Jews in positions of power (in terms of ownership, management and content providers) in the US media.

If you agree, would you also agree with this (if not, could you explain why and/or amend it):
As a result of this fact, it is virtually inevitable that the Arab-Israeli conflict will be unfairly represented in the US media in favour of Israel.

(Whether this is as a result of conscious or unconscious processes, and irrespective of any claimed journalistic/editorial/managerial neautrality, I think this conclusion is unavoidable if the first statement is true.)

And would you further agree with this statement (if not, could you explain why and/or amend it):
This Jewish media presence inevitably results in a disproportionate influence over politicians and cultural agenda-setters on matters pertaining to Israel (ie policies on Arab and Israeli matters, peace negotiations, the broader Middle East questions, etc), resulting in a pro-Israel bias among policy-makers and policies.

These comments from Alfred Lilienthal's "The Zionist Connection" may be of interest:
‘One-sided reportage on terrorism, in which cause is never related to effect, was assured because the most effective component of the Jewish connection is probably that of media control. It is well known that American public opinion molders have long been largely influenced by a handful of powerful newspapers, including the New York Times, the Washington Post, and the St Louis Post-Dispatch – owned respectively by the Sulzbergers, Eugene Meyer and now his daughter Katherine Graham (half-Jewish, who also owns Newsweek), and the Pulitzers, a Hungarian Jewish family. The New York Post was until recently in the capable hands of Dorothy Schiff, the granddaughter of banker Jacob Schiff.
‘Walter Annenberg, who served as Nixon’s ambassador to Britain, owned the Philadelphia Enquirer, The Morning Telegraph, Seventeen, and TV Guide as well as several television stations. Samuel Newhouse, of Jewish background, owns some forty-nine newspapers, including the influential Newsday on Long Island, four television stations, a number of radio stations and a cluster of vital magazines, including Vogue, Glamour, Mademoiselle and House and Garden.
‘Other newspapers, not Jewish-owned, have top editors, directors and advertising chiefs who are Jewish. In 1978 the Washington Star’s owner was [non-Jewish] but the views of the executive editor Sidney Epstein and associate editor Edwin Yoder were clearly reflected in its editorials and articles during the critical Middle east developments. All the leading magazines, ranging from Commentary, Esquire, Ladies Home Journal, New York Review of Books, New Yorker and US News and World Report have Jews in key positions as publishers, editors, or managing editors. These people at very least have the veto power over what appears in their publications. No one is about to criticize Jews – or even take Israel to task - for fear of being out of line with the boss, who is likely to fire him or her…’

[Emmanuel]

ZITE has hit the nail on the head. Thanks for pointing the key players in all of this!
Like a lot of wide debates, people will insist on bickering about the small details and not face the source of the problems. I can see ZITE isn't using Zionism as a group to blame but merely pointing out the obvious patterns of those in power and their political interests.
Research the words in revelations in the bible, look at what Nostradamus said, all of this is about seizing the land of Israel.

Yes bad people in power are the culprits. Whatever race they are. That handy online definition of Zion is here:

"Zionism is an international political movement that supports a homeland for the Jewish people in the Land of Israel.[1] Formally organized in the late 19th century, the movement was successful in establishing the State of Israel in 1948, as the world's first and only modern Jewish State. It continues primarily as support for the state and government of Israel and its continuing status as a homeland for the Jewish people.[2] Described as a "diaspora nationalism,"[3] its proponents, regard it as a national liberation movement whose aim is the self-determination of the Jewish people.[4] Opposition to Zionism has arisen on a number of grounds, ranging from religious objections to competing claims of nationalism to political dissent that considers the ideology either immoral or impractical.I might add that "Some of my best friends are Jews"

[Dogsmilk]

[Emmanuel]

I am noticing more and more Jewish themes in todays Holywood films too. I sense a playing on the victim mentality the worst kind of vampirism. See "freedom writers" nice comparisons, Anne Frank and teenage Hispanic and Black gang members at school.
Do tell me if you dont agree.
I am merely telling you mine and others observations. Ultimately I think tribalism is all wrong and want all of us to unite.

An article here:
http://www.rense.com/general64/decon.htm

Video about Zionism:

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=6454254219830064032&q=zionis m

[kbo234]

[Dogsmilk]

[Craig W]

Dogsmilk, I take your point about some politicians and members of the PTB having a default position of favouring Israel, downplaying any Israeli sins and highlighting those of her perceived enemies.

But I think you may be overlooking the role of the "on message" media in propagandising the masses so as to allow the blatant bias to continue.

The politicos couldn't get away with it without the propaganda imo.

[ian neal]

ZITE

Now if you check my posts and the posts of many others here you will find a widespread acceptance that zionism is an enemy (of peace and justice) but you say zionism is THE enemy, presumably dominating all other elite cabals and crime gangs such high levels masons, mafias, elite jesuits, skull and boners, bilderbergers, etc, etc.

Would you care to tell us how this works? How do you know that elite zionists sit at the head of the global crime family and not skull and boners like Bush or some other ism. How do you know this is not more smoke and mirrors and that zionism isn't just another ism to divide and polarise opinion.

I have answered your question as well as I can. For those speaking on officially organised platforms (DRG and Willy Rodriguez so far) what they choose to speak on was their business. All other events have been locally organised and not centrally managed

Finally if you have had a burning desire to shape the 9/11 movement in this country and what issues it focussed on, I ask where have you been for the past 3 years? But then as I said there is nothing preventing you from organising your own events. the vast majority of events, talks, film screenings and the like happen because individuals and groups take the initiative and organise them themselves.

[Disco_Destroyer]

Seems similar to sentiments such as 'All Germans are Nazis' or 'All Nazis are Evil' or indeed 'Hitler intended to irradicate all Jews' of course all these ideas are complete rubbish!!

[ian neal]

[Disco_Destroyer]

[ZIONISM_IS_THE_ENEMY]

It appears that most here and at meetings can understand that the PNAC Rebuilding Americas Defences document http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
put out in sept 2000 is a large part of the proof that 911 was a false flag operation, thats Great




What seems to be missed out and not spoken about though is the members of the PNAC think tank are all Zionists, take a read through a brief summary of each member and go research it for yourself...

Then tell me 911 has nothing to do with Zionism !



1.) Elliott Abrams.
"The appointment (of Elliott Abrams) would for the first time place someone in a top Mid east policy spot (in the National Security Council) who has publicly assailed the "land-for-peace" formula that has guided U.S. policy in the Arab-Israeli conflict since the 1967 war."; "Abrams, a racial purist who disdains intermarriage ..." Patrick J. Buchanan points out that, "Elliott Abrams is the son-in-law of Norman Podhoretz, editor emeritus of Commentary, whose magazine has for decades branded critics of Israel as anti-Semites.)." (Patrick J. Buchanan ' Whose War?' The American Conservative (magazine) http://www.amconmag.com/03_24_03/cover.html 24.3.2003). According to David Irving, "He played an important role in the Iran-Contra Scandal, which involved illegally selling U.S. weapons to Iran to fight Iraq, and illegally funding the contra rebels fighting to overthrow Nicaragua's Sandinista government. He also actively deceived three congressional committees about his involvement and thereby faced felony charges based on his testimony. Abrams pled guilty in 1991 to two misdemeanors and was sentenced to a year's probation and 100 hours of community service. A year later, Bush Sr. granted Abrams a full pardon. He was one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the Reagan Administration's State Department." (David Irving New Trend Magazine ‘The Israeli lobby's influence on the George Walker Bush (Bush Jr) Administration’ http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/02/04/Israel/US_Zionists.html c2004).
A former Reagan-era Assistant Secretary of State for Inter-American Affairs. He subsequently became president of the Ethics and Public Policy Center. He is currently a member of Bush's National Security Council.


2.) Gary Bauer
A Washington conference of Christian and Jewish Zionists yesterday heard attacks on the U.S. "road map" for peace in the Middle East as a breach of a 4,000-year-old covenant between God and Israel.
"The land of Israel was originally owned by God," said Gary Bauer, president of American Values (http://www.ouramericanvalues.org) and a Republican presidential contender in 2000. "Since He was the owner, only He could give it away. And He gave it to the Jewish people."
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030518-114058-5626r.htm
Aside from occasional affairs and support of Moonies, Gary Bauer's Family Research council is after one thing - federalizing the legislation of morality - getting people used to the idea that what the government says to do is the right thing to do.
A Republican presidential candidate in 2000.



3.) William J. Bennett
Secretary of Education under the most significant decline in education in the history of the United States under Ronald Regan, and later head of one of the most ineffective and expensive extensions of federal power ever - the War on Drugs.
Who served during the Reagan and first Bush administrations as U.S. Secretary of Education and Drug Czar. Upon leaving government office, Bennett became a "distinguished fellow" at the conservative Heritage Foundation, co-founded Empower America, and established himself as a self-proclaimed expert on morality with his authorship of The Book of Virtues (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/IS...enterformediA)


4.) Jeb Bush
Famous mostly for overseeing the most botched election ever in which 40,000 people were illegally removed from the voter roster by the Campaign Manager of his Brother George W.'s campaign. The son of former President George Herbert Walker Bush. At the time of PNAC's founding, Jeb Bush was a candidate for the Florida governor's seat, a position which he currently holds.



5.) Dick Cheney
"What does it matter, in the end, if these men split their loyalties between the United States and Israel? Apart from the evidence of the policy distortions that arise from zealotry, one need only ask whether it can be mere coincidence that those in the Bush administration who most strongly promote "regime change" in Iraq are also those who most strongly support the policies of the Israeli right wing.
And would it bother most Americans to know that the United States is planning a war against Iraq for the benefit of Israel? Can it be mere coincidence, for example, that Vice President Cheney, now the leading senior-level proponent of war with Iraq, repudiated just this option for all the right reasons in the immediate aftermath of the Gulf War in 1991? He was defense secretary at the time and in an interview with the New York Times on April 13, 1991, he said:

"If you're going to go in and try to topple Saddam Hussein, you have to go to Baghdad. Once you've got Baghdad, it's not clear what you will do with it. It's not clear what kind of government you would put in place of the one that's currently there now. Is it going to be a Shia regime, a Sunni regime or a Kurdish regime? Or one that tilts toward the Ba'athists, or one that tilts toward the Islamic fundamentalists. How much credibility is that government going to have if it's set up by the United States military when it's there? How long does the United States military have to stay to protect the people that sign on for the government, and what happens to it once we leave?"

Since Cheney clearly changed his mind between 1991 and today, is it not legitimate to ask why and whether Israel might have a greater influence over U.S. foreign policy now than it had in 1991? After all, notwithstanding his wisdom in rejecting an expansion of the war on Iraq a decade ago, Cheney was just as interested in promoting U.S. imperialism and was at that same moment in the early 1990s outlining a plan for world domination by the United States, one that did not include conquering Iraq at any point along the way. The only new ingredient in the mix today that is inducing Cheney to begin the march to U.S. world domination by conquering Iraq is the presence in the Bush-Cheney administration of a bevy of aggressive right-wing neo-con hawks who have long backed the Jewish fundamentalists of Israel's own right wing and who have been advocating some move on Iraq for at least the last half dozen years? (Kathleen and Bill Christison Counterpunch ‘A Rose by another Other Name: The Bush Administration's Dual Loyalties’ http://www.counterpunch.org/christison1213.html 13.12.2002).
The former White House Chief of Staff to Gerald R. Ford, six-term Congressman, and Secretary of Defense to the first President Bush, was serving as president of the oil-services giant Halliburton Company at the time of PNAC's founding. He subsequently became U.S. vice president under George W. Bush. Protestant.
Finally, his deep connections with Oil and Energy Consulting firms have been winning his buddies contract after contract in the current administration.


6.) Eliot A. Cohen.
"Bush's holiday reading includes ‘Supreme Command’ by Eliot Cohen, a professor at Johns Hopkin's school of advanced international studies, an influential posting for an aspiring policy maker. It is significant that Wolfowitz was a former dean of the school and Cohen now sits on the Perle chaired board which advises Rumsfeld.” Cohen proclaims that "The enemy in this war is not 'terrorism' ... but militant Islam.... Afghanistan constitutes just one front in World War IV and the battles there just one campaign." Cohen calls not only for a U.S. attack on Iraq but also for the elimination of the Islamic regime in Iran, which "would be no less important a victory in this war than the annihilation of bin Laden.""



7.) Midge Decter
Famous for advising women to accept their backseat role to men, a right-wing apologist author of no consequence except that they need someone to drag out when people mention Arianna Huffington.
Neocon Memoir American Jewish History - Volume 87, Number 2&3, June and September 1999, pp. 183-194
Since I can find in myself no significant difference from the basic views of most serious conservatives, I have come to the conclusion that it is long since time for me to drop my original designation and call myself simply a conservative.
How did I get here is the question, and thinking long and hard about the answer, I have come to the perhaps surprising conclusion that the story begins with Zionism.


8.) Paula Dobriansky.
That group (the Center for Security Policy) includes Cheney, Feith, Perle and Under Secretaries of State John Bolton and Paula Dobriansky."
Probably the most interesting of the group, a former Vice president and director of the Washington office of the Council on Foreign Relations and currently the Undersecretary for Global Affairs, responsible primarily for formulating the sell-pitches to Americans for the invasion effort as well as the expansion of the influence of the WTO and World Bank's role in American Foreign Policy.


9.) Steve Forbes
Not really guilty of anything more than being really, really rich and the usual tax-dodging and sucker-swindling that goes on with it - like selling vacation homes to people without transferring the title...
Operates business magazine Forbes, Ran for President in 1996 and 2000, has promoted harsh conservative social and economic policies, worth nearly half a billion dollars, supports expanded U.S. military that acts unilaterally, and of course an emphatic supporter of Israel.
The neo-con viewpoint matches very closely with Forbes’ explaining why he is a founding member of the Project for the New American Century.
Publisher, billionaire, and Republican presidential candidate in 1996 and 2000. Forbes has also campaigned actively on behalf of the "flat tax," which would reduce the federal tax burden for wealthy individuals like himself.


10.) Aaron Friedberg
The premiere intellectual apologist for hawkish foreign policy. Responsible for formulating the justificatory nonsense for the Star Wars Project and urging America to back out of the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty.
Professor of politics and international affairs; Director, Center of International Studies; Director, Research Program in International Security, Woodrow Wilson School, Princeton University.


11.) Francis Fukuyama
Renowned futurist, known worldwide as "Global Capitalism's court philosopher"
author of The End of History and the Last Man (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/IS...nterformediA); Dean of the Faculty and Bernard L. Schwartz Professor of International Political Economy at the Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS) at Johns Hopkins University. Appointed to the President's Council on Bioethics by George W. Bush, January 2002.


12.) Frank Gaffney.
"Frank Gaffney, another Jackson and Perle protégé and Reagan administration defense official, puts his pro-Israel oar in from his think tank, the Center for Security Policy, and through frequent media appearances and regular conservative columnist in the Washington Times." (Kathleen and Bill Christison Counterpunch ‘A Rose by another Other Name: The Bush Administration's Dual Loyalties’ http://www.counterpunch.org/christison1213.html 13.12.2002).
The man who called Bush's withdrawal from the ABM treaty "Visionary" interested in one thing - Star Wars.
Founder and president of the Center for Security Policy in Washington, D.C. Web-site http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/


13.) Fred C. Ikle
Undersecretary of Defense for Policy in the Reagan Administration, the biggest government spender of all time.
"distinguished scholar" at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.


14.) Donald Kagan .
.. "A central member of PNAC."
Donald Kagan - author of "While America Sleeps" an apology for why the US needs to spend lots more on defense. Professor of history and classics at Yale University and the author of books including While America Sleeps: Self-Delusion, Military Weakness, and the Threat to Peace Today; A Twilight Struggle: American Power and Nicaragua, 1977-1990; and The Origins of War and the Preservation of Peace. Kagan is also a senior associate at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, a contributing editor at the Weekly Standard and a Washington Post columnist, a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and the Alexander Hamilton fellow in American diplomatic history at American University. Past experience includes: Deputy for Policy in the State Department's Bureau of Inter-American Affairs (1985-1988); State Department's Policy Planning Staff member (1984-1985); speechwriter to Secretary of State George P. Shultz (1984-1985); foreign policy advisor to Congressman Jack Kemp (1983); Special Assistant to the Deputy Director of the United States Information Agency (1983); Assistant Editor at the Public Interest (1981).


15.) Zalmay Khalilzad,
An Afghan-American who was the only Muslim among the group's original signatories and the only signatory who was not a native-born U.S. citizen. Khalilzad has become the Bush administration's special envoy to Afghanistan after the fall of the Taliban as well as is special envoy to the Iraqi opposition to Saddam Hussein. Khalilzad has written about information warfare and in 1996 (in pre-Taliban days), he served as a consultant to the oil company Unocal Corporation (UNOCAL) regarding a "risk analysis" for its proposed pipeline project through Afghanistan and Pakistan.


16.) William Kristol
PNAC's chairman is also editor of the Weekly Standard, a Washington-based political magazine. His past involvements have included: lead of the Project for the Republican Future, chief of staff to Vice President J. Danforth Quayle, chief of staff to Secretary of Education William J. Bennett under the Reagan administration, taught politics at the University of Pennsylvania and Harvard's Kennedy School of Government.


17.) I. Lewis Libby
Cheney’s... "Chief of staff, Lewis Libby — one of Perle's puppets — has maintained the hard line on Cheney's behalf.” I. Lewis Libby, Cheney's top national security assistant.
Well known as the Russian Mafia Mole in the US Government, famous for disrupting Israeli elections and representing Rand Corporation interests to the US Government, who later became chief of staff for Vice President Dick Cheney.

18.) Norman Podhoretz .
Jim lobe points out, "As godfather of the movement, Irving played mentor to Norman Podhoretz, the long-time but now-retired editor of Commentary. Podhoretz and his spouse, Midge Decter, a polemical powerhouse in her own right, created a formidable political team in the 1970s as they deserted the Democratic Party, and then, as leaders of the Committee on the Present Danger. Podhoretz is the father of John Podhoretz, a columnist for the Murdoch-owned New York Post, who also acts as a ubiquitous booster of the hawks. And his son-in-law, Elliott Abrams ..."
"Another PNAC signatory, author Norman Podhoretz, quantified this aspect of the grand plan in the September 2002 issue of his journal, 'Commentary'. In it, Podhoretz notes that the regimes, "that richly deserve to be overthrown and replaced, are not confined to the three singled-out members of the axis of evil. At a minimum, the axis should extend to Syria and Lebanon and Libya, as well as 'friends' of America like the Saudi royal family and Egypt's Hosni Mubarak, along with the Palestinian Authority, whether headed by Arafat or one of his henchmen."" (William Rivers Pitt ' Blood Money' 27.2.2003).
An occasional author, currently most interesting for his role in the creation of the neocon and the neocon movements driving our war with Iraq. A senior fellow at the Hudson Institute and author of works such as Patriotism and its Enemies.

19.) Dan Quayle
Idiot illiterate and draft dodger turned Vice President. Probably most famous for explaining the world to the newly idiotic people formed under the Economic Opportunity Office under Nixon (see Cheney above). Former vice president under President George Herbert Walker Bush and a presidential candidate himself in 1996.

20.) Peter W. Rodman
"Assistant Secretaries Peter Rodman and Dov Zachkeim, old hands from the Reagan administration when the neo-cons first flourished, fill out the sub cabinet ranks at Defense." (Kathleen and Bill Christison Counterpunch ‘A Rose by another Other Name: The Bush Administration's Dual Loyalties’ http://www.counterpunch.org/christison1213.html 13.12.2002).
Peter W. Rodman - On July 12, 2001, the Senate confirmed Peter W. Rodman, the Center's Director of National Security Programs, as Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs. Rodman will manage the Defense Department's ties with foreign nations and participate in the interagency process of policy formulation.
He served in the State Department and the National Security Council under Presidents Ronald Reagan and George Herbert Walker Bush, became the current Bush administration's Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security affairs in 2001.


21.) Stephen P. Rosen
Responsible for formulating the Bush War Plan about 30 years ago.
Beton Michael Kaneb Professor of National Security and Military Affairs at Harvard University.

22.) Henry S. Rowen
Formulator of "Globalism, Regionalism and the New Economic Geography" an essay on how Globalism will overtake regionalism. And expert on East-Asian studies and their assimilation into the global economy.
Was president of the RAND Corporation from 1967-1972. He served under former presidents Reagan and Bush as chairman of the National Intelligence Council (1981-83) and Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs (1989-91). He currently holds the title of "senior fellow" at the Hoover Institution on War, Revolution and Peace.


23.) Donald Rumsfeld
War Mongerer extraordinaire. Served former President Gerald R. Ford as chief of transition after Richard M. Nixon's resignation, later becoming Ford's chief of staff and secretary of defense from 1974-75. He subsequently served from 1990-93 as CEO of General Instrument Corporation and later as Chairman of the Board of Gilead Sciences, a pharmaceutical company. In 1998 he served as chairman of the bi-partisan US Ballistic Missile Threat Commission. Under President George W. Bush, he once again assumed the post of Secretary of Defense.

24.) Vin Weber
A registered lobbyist for the Joseph E. Seagram & Sons, Mobil Corp, Microsoft, and the Edison Electric Institute. Once had his 501c3 status revoked because he was "too republican".
A former Republican congressman from Minnesota is now a well-connected lobbyist who has represented such firms as AT&T, Lockheed Martin and Microsoft. Veber is also vice chairman of Empower America and a former fellow of the Progress and Freedom Foundation.

25.) George Weigel
Most recently famous for redefining the term "Just War" to include attacking a non-combatant weak enemy. Also famous for redefining "Liberty". A Roman Catholic religious and political commentator is a "senior fellow" at the Ethics and Public Policy Center.


26.) Paul Wolfowitz
Paul wolfowitz is the President of the World Bank. He’s a pro-Zionist hawk. He originally supported President George bush snr’s strategy during the 1990 gulf war but, in 1998, he wrote an open letter demanding saddam’s removal. Wolfowitz is one of the leading proponents of spreading the wart to a number of other Middle East countries, “Former U.S. deputy defense secretary Paul wolfowitz told NATO ministers in Brussels of the link between states harbouring terrorists and those developing nuclear, biological and chemical weapons. His words appear to point directly to Iraq. Mr. Wolfowitz has been saying the war on terrorism should be extended to saddam Hussein’s regime, it has been reported.”

"Before becoming Deputy Defense Secretary, Wolfowitz was the chairman and dean of the SAIS. He has been a "strategist" since 1973, and has held a number of high level defense posts and was undersecretary of defense during George H.W. Bush's administration. Since 9/11/01, Wolfowitz has pushed aggressively for unilateral US military action in Iraq, and anywhere in the world. Immediately following 9/11, Wolfowitz submitted a plan (referred by Pentagon insiders as "Operation Infinite War") that called for the bombing of Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon."

Despite his position in the mcbush administration he divides the world into two parts: the civilized and the uncivilized, “The deputy secretary of state, Paul Wolfowitz, said that "the whole civilized world has been shocked... and even portions of the uncivilised world have started to wonder whether they're on the wrong side.” [52] In a recent interview he stated, “We have to have a zero tolerance policy for terrorism. The long term aim is to get everyone out of the business of terrorism including the Syrians.” But, as far as he is concerned, the Zionist state in Palestine is not a terrorist state. He is a good example of the many Zionists in the American administration who are sacrificing American lives and spending vast amounts of American taxpayers’ money in order to protect the Zionist state in Palestine.

Wolfowitz believes the American government should not devote too much time to coalition-building with Arabs Moslems since this will inhibit its ability to attack other sources of Muslim fundamentalism. According to Julian Borger wolfowitz and his Christian Zionist allies... “Believe that US security is being compromised by the administration's concern about maintaining the support of the Arab world.
Former professor, Assistant Secretary of Defense and representative of the "Zionist Agenda" in American Politics.


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Everything from Space aliens and reptilian fish people, to neo-Nazi groups have attached themselves to the 911 conspiracy. It is a classic tactic of deceivers to purposely leak disinformation which will mix truth with lies in order to discredit the truth. Don't fall for disinformation.

[Cruise4]

It is essential that the sufferings of Jews. . . becomes worse. . .

Funniest thing I've heard for ages!

After looking through all this 9/11 associated stuff, it occurred to me that perhaps the Concentration camps weren't as described. I couldn't actually find anything to support it either way. Not saying it didn't happen but seems odd that totally concrete info is hard to find.

Just because someone is a Jew doesn't make them part of the conspiracy.
There's Good and bad in all walks.

[ian neal]

Spot on ZITE.

By focussing on the named individuals of PNAC and exposing their war-mongering criminal pasts and their unswerving loyalty to the criminal state of Israel, we are focusing on specifics and there is no room for confusion.

Most jewish people not living in Israel and most Israeli citizens openly support the state of Israel. Most of these people would happily consider themselves zionists.

Now whilst the largely uncritical nature of this support is something for all jewish people to reflect on and the jewish community collectively needs to wake up to and challenge the crimes of the Israeli state (as many brave jewish people are doing), there is a danger with labelling the enemy as zionism. Our enemy is not all those who support Israel, but specific named war criminals and state terrorists behind organisations like PNAC, AEI and AIPAC.

The wider influence that these crime gangs have within the mainstream media, politics and business will be exposed as part of the wider fall out of exposing the 911 crimes along with the crimes of non-zionist crime gangs such as skull and bones, etc.

For further info from the MSM on the PNAC psychos, check out 'the War Party' 3/4's of the way down this page

http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/video_iraqwar.htm

Also here

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8581.htm

I strongly recommend this site. Some great films there. The BBC documentary why we fight is also essential viewing. Truly jaw dropping considering it is the BBC

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_We_Fight_(2005_film)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gf1CDmn8q0M

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[Dogsmilk]

[Cruise4]

Loads of evidence about the camps etc. of course...
Its whether they were Jews. People got killed alright.

[ian neal]

I agree with much of what dogsmilk says. I don't see how discussion of the holocaust adds anything. Surely the focus should be on current crimes and criminals. This thread is on why zionism is little discussed within the meetings ZITE has attended not on the holocaust.

I trust I have addressed the initial questions.

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Starvation due to funneling all supplies to the front line is a huge difference to intentional racial genocide!
1 huge point also to bear in mind the tiny fact that Hitler negotiated with neighbouring countries to rehouse the German jewish population before hostilities errupted.
Also if Genocide was the name of the game then there realy was no point for a camp at all was there?
I'm not saying people were not inhumanly treated or that many didn't die but calling genocide to a new political system/party is a very bold accusation, yes the war rapidly deteriorated into a nightmarish bloodbath, all I'm saying is that it is my belief that although many perished it was not a hidden agenda from day 1. I have also seen clear evidence of manipulation of evidence to make things look worse than what was true.
If you really think about it why invoke a law to stop open discussion because I'm quite sure if all was true the 1st wave of 'OMG that was Terrible' from the public would have silenced itself out of shame and disgust.

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Here's a good quote

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