not one member has chosen not to support the rebuttal and rejection.
Oh really? So who is this "J7" that you speak of then, which hasn´t got one member who has chosen not to support your smear piece? Is it a group within a group (the entire J7 membership)?
Prole wrote:
If anyone or anything will be damaged by contacting relatives and survivors it will of course be the J7 Truth Campaign after all who else seriously campaigns for J7 Truth?
We already know about as much truth as we are going to get without putting the real suspects on trial, so how about the justice part?
Prole wrote:
Hidden agendas, speculative narratives, lack of evidence, covering-up, manipulation, keeping quiet, smears, lies, personal attacks, innuendo, spin and propaganda are just some of the techniques used by an oppressive State to suppress the truth in order to maintain power and do not belong in any movement which seriously claims to be fighting for Truth & Justice.
Smears, lies, personal attacks, innuendo, spin and propaganda... So you were wrong about you being the only ones who are serious, then?
Prole wrote:
Unfortunately some of these techniques are being used, advocated and supported on this thread. Enough said.
You and your pals are guilty of the very things you are complaining about and making yourself out to be a victim of. If you don´t like it when the spotlight is shone back on you, and questions are raised about your own motives, too bad. You can´t have it both ways.
Thanks Rodin. That's one of the nicest things anybody's said to me ever
Yet you have irritated my pc valve on incessant occasions
I've refrained on the whole from response because on the whole serious investigation always leads back to the same entitiy.
Anyway, even if that were not the case, a bit of a complement always does the world of good.
A lesson for all in here
First complement the user before trying to down their views _________________ http://www.exopolitics-leeds.co.uk/introduction
Thanks Rodin. That's one of the nicest things anybody's said to me ever
Yet you have irritated my pc valve on incessant occasions
I've refrained on the whole from response because on the whole serious investigation always leads back to the same entitiy.
Anyway, even if that were not the case, a bit of a complement always does the world of good.
A lesson for all in here
First complement the user before trying to down their views
1) PC is programming. Reboot
2) A truther becomes a hater when getting too close to the truth
3) Real haters spout vitriol
G'night _________________ Belief is the Enemy of Truth www.dissential.com
Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 1959 Location: South London
Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:38 am Post subject:
I have just had some correspondence with Muad'Dib. He will be sending a DVD copy of Ripple Effect to each 9/11 Truth group in the UK.
I have pointed out to him that the 9/11 Truth Campaign, due to its "no endorsement" policy cannot endorse his movie. We do not claim to know what happened on J7 or 9/11, merely maintain that there are numerous inconsistencies in the government assertions of what happened on these occasions that warrant a full independent inquiry. Nevertheless, there is nothing to stop him distributing Ripple Effect among our supporters.
I watched it yesterday and it didn't really tell me anything I didn't already know. All it did was connect the Canary Wharf "incident" which while undoubtedly a possibility, itself raises many more questions.
Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 18335 Location: St. Pauls, Bristol, England
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 12:34 am Post subject:
If you want to know how the purpetrators of 7/7 kept the Canary Wharf stories OUT of the British press Andrew Glligan explains here in a talk he gave here in Bristol the week before last. Using official denials targetted against specific stories - such as this one.
I watched it yesterday and it didn't really tell me anything I didn't already know. All it did was connect the Canary Wharf "incident" which while undoubtedly a possibility, itself raises many more questions.
For all the criticism of the 'speculation' in this film, it threads together an entirely credible narrative of the events of 7/7....
.....so, so, so much more credible than the official narrative.
After watching this you will understand why the government will fight like demons to prevent, and never willingly allow, an open Public Inquiry into the events of 7/7.
It surprises me that those pressing conventionally (i.e. behaving respectfully towards politicians and officialdom) for a Public Inquiry do not recognise this and start adopting more aggressive and unpredictable actions against the powers-that-be in order to achieve their goal.
Parliamentarians, particularly ministers, deserve no respect at all.
Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 1959 Location: South London
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 5:08 pm Post subject:
kbo234 wrote:
Can I buy a good-quality copiable DVD of this film off Muad'Dib or anyone else?
He has sent me two copies. You're welcome to one, Kevin, but more particularly I would like to give one to someone who will make copies. I don't have the facilities to do so.
I think the narrative on the movie is more plausible than the government's narrative. That does not mean it is correct in every detail; I can't judge that, but it's certainly worth watching IMHO.
Joined: 16 Feb 2006 Posts: 377 Location: North West UK
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 5:25 pm Post subject:
xmasdale wrote:
kbo234 wrote:
Can I buy a good-quality copiable DVD of this film off Muad'Dib or anyone else?
He has sent me two copies. You're welcome to one, Kevin, but more particularly I would like to give one to someone who will make copies. I don't have the facilities to do so.
Joined: 10 Dec 2005 Posts: 2017 Location: Croydon, Surrey
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 6:33 pm Post subject:
xmasdale wrote:
I think the narrative (explaining what really happened on 7/7)... is more plausible than the government's narrative. That does not mean it is correct in every detail; I can't judge that, but it's certainly worth watching IMHO.
Absolutely right Noel. Visitors, please watch this film and judge for yourselves.
Keep it up kbo. While there may be factual inexactitudes, the rendering is the best thing we've got so far in our counterspinning
A believable alter story. And what's wrong with that? _________________ http://www.exopolitics-leeds.co.uk/introduction
Keep it up kbo. While there may be factual inexactitudes, the rendering is the best thing we've got so far in our counterspinning
A believable alter story. And what's wrong with that?
I cant see that at all.There's no doublethink there. Just an acceptance or rejection of a simple line
What a distortion of the term 'doublethink'
A doublethink distortion _________________ http://www.exopolitics-leeds.co.uk/introduction
the official story is a ragbag of lies
this documentary is a great deal more realistic
more people that watch it the more minds will be opened to at least question the Labour narrative
I cant see that at all.There's no doublethink there. Just an acceptance or rejection of a simple line
What a distortion of the term 'doublethink'
A doublethink distortion
You think something with "factual inexactitudes" (i.e. things that are wrong/not true) is "believable". That's classic doublethink.
Joined: 10 Dec 2005 Posts: 2017 Location: Croydon, Surrey
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 4:54 pm Post subject:
Nick Cooper wrote:
paul wright wrote:
I cant see that at all.There's no doublethink there. Just an acceptance or rejection of a simple line
What a distortion of the term 'doublethink'
A doublethink distortion
You think something with "factual inexactitudes" (i.e. things that are wrong/not true) is "believable". That's classic doublethink.
I think it might have been better said that it is possible that some of the small details he supposes are not 100% accurate (which is not the same as saying they are false. There is obviously some small degree of intelligent guesswork and supposition going on here in order to logically join the dots between the known facts) but the big picture Muad paints definitely has the ring of truth.
It rings like Big Ben.
The official narrative rings and smells like a dead fish.
I cant see that at all.There's no doublethink there. Just an acceptance or rejection of a simple line
What a distortion of the term 'doublethink'
A doublethink distortion
You think something with "factual inexactitudes" (i.e. things that are wrong/not true) is "believable". That's classic doublethink.
I think it might have been better said that it is possible that some of the small details he supposes are not 100% accurate (which is not the same as saying they are false. There is obviously some small degree of intelligent guesswork and supposition going on here in order to logically join the dots between the known facts) but the big picture Muad paints definitely has the ring of truth.
Balls anyway.
This is not certain stuff, and neither does it claim to be
I't's extracting a certain scenario from known facts and evidence as well as drawing conclusions from stuff obviously veiled in secrecy, for example, early news reports that came and went very soon after.
A recognised story-adaptation and pointer to the falsely constructed later narrative
Pokers out of asses, guys _________________ http://www.exopolitics-leeds.co.uk/introduction
This Canary Wharf business. Has anyone interviewed actual witnessess? From the way it was presented, many would have at least been aware SOMETHING was going down?
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Also given very little prominence, were reports of the shooting of “suicide bombers” on London’s Canary Wharf on July 7th. According to a small inside page report in the New Zealand Herald: “A New Zealander working for Reuters in London said two colleagues witnessed the unconfirmed shooting by police of two apparent suicide bombers outside the HSBC tower at Canary Wharf in London.”
The man who was not prepared to give his name said two English colleagues, whom he also refused to name “witnessed the shooting from a building across the road from the tower.”
Thereafter, the Herald reports that: “the 8000 workers in the 44-storey tower were told to stay away from windows and remain in the building for at least six hours…” (
Still, before we take such reports at face value, it should be noted that readers who live in the Canary Wharf area have reported no such events to this website. Leading us to suspect that the above reports are yet more disinformation being used to decieve the public as to the real nature of events. The fact that this website has received reports from a number of eyewitnesses that they saw nothing of the kind at Canary Wharf that day only strengthens this suspicion.
A poster on the West Yorks forum did give the following report
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I was working in the main Canary Wharf building on the morning of J7. I was contracted to a mailroom and worked in the same office as the facilities people.
These are the people that have the responsibility for the health and safety for the bank’s employees and every office throughout London has a team of these people.
In these offices is an electronic wall panel linked directly to the government, through which they can send information incase of an emergency.
On the morning of 7/7, every facilities office received a message that their had been a power surge in the London underground.
This was put out, but nothing was said about any explosions. Only Sky news and the other news broadcasters reported them.
A lot of people tried to call relatives, but the phones had been jammed. After hearing about the explosions and then bus explosion our office caught wind of snipers having shot some people at ground level outside the building next to us. We heard that the HSBC staff were being told to stay away from their windows
As time passed the facilities people asked me and a colleague to go and prepare food and water at an evacuation site the bank were paying for as well as set up a phone line and internet connection. That was at a church in Mile End, which was over a mile away. We took a small 5-man passenger lift down to the shopping precinct under the tower.
We soon found out that a section of the shops had been marked off-limits by security. The main HSBC entrance is underground where the shops that had been blocked off were. As well as being blocked off by many security personnel, they had also cut the lights so no-one could see what was happening in the area they were guarding. I thought this was strange, because there were no reports of explosions at Canary Wharf on the news.
By this time there were a lot of people at the train station, but could only get there by following certain routes because the CW security where blocking off areas to the public, so they were being led.
Anyway, me and my colleague made our way to the street and soon noticed there wasn't any cars on the roads, only emergency vehicles. This was also odd.
After we left the Isle of Dogs we noticed the police had set road-blocks denying anyone access, but never said why. At this point on our journey my colleague somehow received a phone call from a friend working in the city saying that someone had been shot and killed by a sniper at CW.
It was reported in the New Zealand press, a Canadian Newspaper and the a South London local newspaper.
It was also mentioned ONCE on tv news that day.
The most detailed report was posted on the West Yorkshire board by a person who apparantly was working in Canary Wharf that day.
The fact that the mainstream media has not reported this does not mean t did not happen. There was a news blackout on many occasions such as Tony Blair's daughter's suicide bit, George Robertson's paedophile allegations, George Bush's rape allegations to name a few case where the press should have filled their boots but instead chose to bury the story.
The Canary Wharf story was broken by a Reuters correspondant so one would assume that is a credible source.
Only when the bodies of the four alleged bombers are released back to their families and only when an independant autopsy is performed will we know if they were shot or if their bodies are riddled with shrapnel and chapathi flour residue.
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