Vapour trails, contrails or chemtrails? Fact or fiction?

[Andrew.]

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"I have watched the two short clips you provided on your post; I hope everybody else on this thread, and indeed on our Forum does as well."



outsider please, just acknowledging your reply to Potter Stewart before this post for him and others to read.




What in the world are they spraying?

Bit of a misleading title perhaps, but if there is “increasing levels of metals in soil and air samples”

[Andrew.]

Apologies, double post.

[Potter Stewart]

I am entitled to my opinion which is all my post contains.

I think your accusation of denigration of Alex Jones and Tin Foil Hat wearing people/cats is unfounded, as I stated that I was not in agreement with the presenter on the issues of conspiracy or global warming. It was purely there to illustrate the link between the heavy industry in China and the increased metals found on the western coast of America and Hawaii. Which were the areas highlighted in the film.

I personally do not like the term debunked as it implies that there is a fixed truth and that they have found it, where I personally like to keep a more open mind.

I am not new to this subject. I am aware of all the info in your post.

I think we are actually in agreement on a number of issues.

What I don't agree with is that all of the aerial trail activity that is reported everywhere all the time is geo-enginearing (spraying) e.t.c. I postulate that the use of persistent contrails could have a similar effect without the need for anything necessarily covert.

The radar signals are not everywhere all the time, as are the things people are calling chemtrails.

Are you denying the existence of persistent contrails?

[Andrew.]

[Potter Stewart]

The evidence of jet fuel additives is certainly interesting.

If we want to prove it conclusively we need the amounts of these substances used in the jet fuel also the levels of emissions post burn for each of the different mixtures. Then how much of each mixture is used per day.

I know that in the USA there are 50,000 plus flights a day so this is no easy task, but this would indicate that there could be tons or the emissions produced everyday.

In the film "What On Earth Are They Spraying" The areas used for the samples were not near any busy roads or heavy industry, which in itself indicates there are several more mundane explanations for high levels of these elements in the environment elsewhere.

Are there any more credible sources of information on recent increases of these elements in the environment in other places that ate not near busy roads or heavy industry, or could be carried by winds from china?

Just wondering if you, Andrew, think that there are persistent contrails or do you consider all aerial trails are chemtrails, Or are the contrails manipulated with the fuel deliberately to make them more persistent, or is it an accidental byproduct of the additives that are added for other reasons, or something else?

I am quite skeptical about climate science as it is so easily manipulated to suit the agenda of the day. The nature of weather is that it is relatively unpredictable, as there are too many variables.

[Disco_Destroyer]

My personal theory is that increased aviation is putting water vapor higher into the atmosphere than nature would normally allow. this is also my opinion to why the vapor gradually cleared when planes were grounded during the Iceland Volcano.

I obviously agree that dodgy experimentation has occurred through out the ages in light of weather control and other dubious matters.

[Andrew.]

[outsider]

Whilst this is written anonymously, the reasons for that are, if we are to believe the writer, perfectly understandable.

I had speculated that airline pesonnel were sworn to secrecy, and this if true confirms that speculation:

Airline Manager sends anonymous info re Chemtrails:

http://www.carnicom.com/mgr1.htm

[TonyGosling]

Okay - reluctantly I have to admit - this has to be the most conclusive proof yet for the existence of specially adapted aircraft used for the purposes of chemtrail spreading.



In fact its from the business end of a Hercules designed to put out forest fires. And here is the page it's from.

[Andrew.]

[Disco_Destroyer]

Aluminium is the most widespread metal on the planet, it could come from anywhere. I know little of Barium but my point has always been how can you prove samples on the ground come from aviation?


The fuel additives above would be such a low quantity so who knows where this Chemtrail imo (dis) info comes from?

[outsider]

[Disco_Destroyer]

You don't need (fancy) when you can expend millions of lives in conventional warfare why would anyone including genocidal elites poison their own water supply?

[outsider]

[outsider]

[Andrew.]

[Andrew.]

[outsider]

German evidence:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kaBU5oqFGc

Weather Modification companies:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cm0yy-iohS8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ta91sBEKYDM&feature=relmfu

[outsider]

Since when did 'Three Wise Monkeys' and/or 'Ostriches' become our Motto?

From 'Coalition Against Geo-Engineering' site:

“Weather manipulation through contrail formation … is in place and fully operational.”

Case Orange cites publicly available material that shows geoengineering has been ongoing for “at least 60 years.” Used as a weapon of war in Hamburg by the UK during World War II, it was also used in the Vietnam Conflict by the US. Controversy over its use, revealed by investigative reporter Jack Anderson, spurred Senate hearings in 1972. During those hearings, military officials denied the use of cloud seeding technology. Later, a private letter from Secretary of Defense Melvin Laird surfaced, admitting that his testimony was false. He, again unbelievably, claimed he didn’t know what was happening. [9]

Environmental modification (EnMod) weaponry was finally banned by treaty in 1978. The UN Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques forced the end of such programs, overtly anyway.[10] (Case Orange authors seem unaware of this international ban, as it is one of their recommendations.)

However, with widespread reporting of rising global temperatures, increasing population, and degradation of water supplies, renewed interest in EnMod is now becoming broadly supported. (See, e.g., Top economists recommend climate engineering, 4 Sep 2009 [11] and similarly, Top science body calls for geoengineering ‘plan B’, 1 Sep 2009.[12])


The crew in Operation Stormfury in 1963. Note the special belly on the Douglas DC6-B for cloud seeding purposes. (From Case Orange)

Building a case for old technology finding a new market, Case Orange discusses several U.S. patents. For example, authors describe a 1975 patent, “Powder Contrail Generation,” [13] for the invention of a:

“specific contrail generation apparatus for producing a powder contrail having maximum radiation scattering ability for a given weight [of] material. The seeding material … consists of 85% metallic particles and 15% colloidal Silica and Silica gel in order to produce a stable contrail that has a residence period of 1 up to 2 weeks.”

In 2009, researchers published “Modification of Cirrus clouds to reduce global warming,” which proposed two methods of delivery for this same proportion of metallics to silica and the same staying power of one to two weeks.[14]

Case Orange also reveals a 1991 patent held by Hughes Aircraft Company [15] that:

“contains 18 claims to reduce global warming through stratospheric seeding with aluminum oxide… thorium oxide … and refractory Welsbach material ….”

The report notes that “the proposed scenario by the IPCC [Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change] in 2001 is identical to the claims” in Hughes Aircraft’s 1991 patent. Hughes was acquired by Raytheon, a private defense contractor, in 1997, “the same company that acquired E-systems and the HAARP contract.”

Case Orange presents evidence that Raytheon stands to control all weather, which the authors find repugnant given that it is a private corporation. The authors recommend suing private corporations instead of governments. But subcontracting is quite common for governments and agencies, especially the US military. The distinction between large, powerful corporations and governments is a fine line obscure to common folk. And, the effect is the same whether governments are spraying us with nano-sized metals, chemicals or biologicals, or whether corporations do. The authors’ protective posture toward governments is nonsensical.

Case Orange suggests that geoengineering found new life in the global warming scare. Old patents are being dusted off and private interests stand to make substantial sums now that Cap and Trade has been exposed as ineffective in reducing greenhouse gases. (Although, lawmakers are still considering it since much can be earned on the scheme, to wit: Al Gore reportedly achieved billionaire status from it.)

Since 2007, billionaire Bill Gates has spent at least $4.5 million on geoengineering research. [16] Since reducing emissions is not popular with industry, ‘Plan B’ – geoengineering – is being touted as the answer to climate change and water shortage. A longer description of Plan B is: Add more pollution to the sky and water to offset the deleterious effects of industrial pollution, without reducing industrial pollution.

Human rights and environmental watchdog, ETC Group, describes the momentum [17]:

“The roll-out of geoengineering as Plan B is being skillfully executed: prominent high-level panels sponsored by prestigious groups, a spate of peer-reviewed articles this January in science journals, and a line-up of panicked politicians in northern countries, nodding nervously in agreement as scientists testify about the ‘need to research Plan B.’”

ETC reports that Gates’ top geoengineering advisor unveiled a plan to grow solar radiation management research “one-hundred-fold, from $10 million to $1 billion over ten years.”

Indeed, several watchdog groups recently ramped up calls to address clean water shortage. “At the end of July 2010, the United Nations General Assembly will vote on an important resolution, initiated by the Bolivian government, which would make clean water and sanitation a human right,” reports Food and Water Watch.[18] This year, National Geographic and Yes! Magazine dedicated entire issues to water.

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Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025

Case Orange ties a 1996 report by top military personnel in the U.S., “Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025” [19] to evidentiary details (like governmental spraying schedules, chemical orders, correct nomenclature used in airline operating manuals, and calls for geoengineering by economists) to support its notion of “heavy involvement of governments at top level in climate control projects.”

Owning the Weather in 2025 provides a specific timeline for the use of EnMod technologies in cooperation with the Weather Modification Association (WMA), a business-government group promoting the beneficial uses of environmental modification [20]:

2000 Introduce ionic mirrors, with a sharp increase from 2008;

2000-2025 Use chemicals for atmospheric seeding by civilian (as well as military) aviation;

2004 Create smart clouds thru nanotechnology, with exponential increase after 2010;

2005 Introduce ‘carbon black dust’.

Though Case Orange decries the paucity of research into EnMod, in 2009 Weather Modification Assn. published its position statement on the safety of seeding clouds with silver-iodide, citing three dozen research papers from 1970 through 2006. [21]

In 2007, the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) published its position statement that included “Guidelines for the Planning of Weather Modification Activities.” Acknowledging that the modern technology of weather modification began in the 1940s, WMO asserts it is still “an emerging technology” today. [22] WMO indicated disappointment that research is being abandoned for operations.

Case Orange contains no reference to the WMA position statement citing all that research, although it cites the group. Nor does it mention the World Meteorological Organization, an agency of the United Nations, which has a link to its Weather Modification portal on its Index page.

At the end of the section, The bare necessity of geoengineering through cloud generation for survival of the planet (5.2.7), Case Orange states:

“[O]ur investigation team comes to the conclusion that climate control programs, controlled by the military but approved by governments, are silently implemented in order to avoid the worst case scenarios they obviously do not want. The two basic instruments are temperature control through generation of artificial clouds and manipulation of the ionosphere through ionosphere heaters.

“Both remain basically military combat systems with the option to go into the offensive if deemed necessary. However since several ionosphere heaters are installed on various places around the globe one can assume that there is wide cooperation between governments in order to reach the climate targets by 2025: controlling the weather and thus the planet.”

The report published the following images provided by a former meteorologist at the Ontario Weather Service, showing spraying schemes for Europe. For December 6, 2008:



In the next series of images covering January 3-5, 2010, the authors assert that “The spraying schemes seem to be organized in a logical pattern so that the whole of Europe is covered in a 3-day period”:







Case Orange agrees that climate change needs to be addressed. Regarding Climate-Gate, the authors suggest that the University of East Anglia deliberately manipulated the climate data to gradually prepare the global population for its future on a hotter planet.

They also cite research that supports the notion that climate change is real. During the three-day grounding of most aircraft after 9/11, scientists noticed an increase in temperature of 1.1 °C (2 °F). [23] This is an astounding increase in such a short time frame. The incidence of cloud seeding reports by the public increases exponentially after this.

The 1996 military piece, Owning the Weather in 2025, gives climate change skeptics “an insight in what to expect in the 21st century:

‘Current demographic, economic and environmental trends will create global stresses that provide the impetus necessary for many countries or groups to turn weather modfication ability into capability. In the United States weather modification will likely become part of national security policy with both domestic and international applications. Our government will pursue such a policy, depending on its interests, at various levels.’”

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Recommendations

“Persistent contrails,” however, “have a devastating impact on eco-systems on this planet and quality of life in general.” Case Orange joins the call of Bill Gates’ geoengineering advisor and the WMO for new research measuring the impact on human health and the environment from EnMod programs.

Case Orange also recommends an immediate and full disclosure of current EnMod activities to the public; and that all civil aviation laws be abided.

Of note, in response to policy interest in geoengineering as a means to control climate change and enhance water supplies, on May 14, 2010, the science subcommittee of the United Nations Convention on Biological Diversity proposed a geoengineering moratorium. [24] This proposed ban on “friendly” EnMod programs will be heard at the Tenth Conference of Parties to UN Convention on Biodiversity in Nagoya, Japan this October.

Case Orange reports that China and Russia openly admit to cloud-seeding, while the U.S. denies such activities. The U.S. does permit open air testing of chemical and biological weapons but not under the law the authors cited, which they paraphrased:

The secretary of defense may conduct tests and experiments involving the use of chemical and biological agents on civilian populations.

Public law of the United States, Law 95-79, Title VIII, Sec. 808, July 30, 1977.

Codified as 50 USC 1520, under Chapter 32 Chemical and Biological Warfare Program, Public Law 95-79 was repealed in 1997 by Public Law 105-85. In its place, 15 USC 1520a provides restrictions (such as informed consent). 50 USC 1512, however, allows open air testing of chemicals and biologicals and allows presidential override of notices and of public health considerations for national security reasons. [25] Case Orange authors are thus correct, it seems, in asserting that such programs are legal, if reprehensible, in the U.S.

Conclusion

For centuries, military leaders have recognized that it rains after a heavy battle. But harnessing that power in a way that doesn’t cause a deluge like in San Diego in 1915 has been a task. (See Brief History, below.) The historical record has many such stories: misdirected hurricanes, farm wars, massive flooding and mudslides. Eventually, though, science met the challenge.

If its birth can be marked by Britain’s successful use of chaff in 1943 to jam enemy radar, the modern environmental modification program is 67 years old. We saw its military use in Vietnam in the 1960s. China openly used it in 2008 to clear the skies for the Olympics.

In 1978, world leaders addressed the moral and ecological issues of using such technologies as a weapon of war by banning their use. Almost thirty years later, in 2007, the World Meteorological Organization complained that EnMod funds were moving from research into operations. Three years later, in May of this year, the United Nations proposed the ban of EnMod operations, calling for further research.

Even with a couple obvious holes in research, the Case Orange report is essentially correct: officials are spraying the skies, and they’re not fully disclosing these activities. Corporate media is colluding with officials in keeping these operations secret from the public.

But, the public has a right to know and governments have a duty to fully disclose all environmental modification operations. The impacts on our health and environment need to be fully understood, and informed consent from the populace needs to be a part of any EnMod operation.

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[outsider]

Not quite the same as chemtrails, but interesting for the secrecy and lack of concern for adverse effects:

http://americanfreepress.net/?p=1269

'During an Oct. 26 interview, she told this writer: “Water districts and ski areas west of the Continental Divide have engaged in cloud seeding that has produced a snow pack 500 percent above normal. Not only are ski resorts enjoying boom times, but the water runoff greatly benefits their housing divisions.

“Cloud seeding is actually permitted throughout the state of Colorado,” she said. “In fact, we even have an official Division of Weather Modification that acknowledges cloud seeding.”

As of now, this is being done almost exclusively on the west side of the Rocky Mountains. But there is a downside. East of the Rockies, the rain and snow that usually falls has been sucked away, resulting in severe weather on that side of the mountain range.

Ms. Macmillan continued: “Without getting their natural amount of rain and snow that they’d previously been getting for centuries, severe droughts have resulted, causing a heavy economic toll on farmers. Their crops are dwindling, cattle don’t have enough hay to eat and aquifers and underground wells are depleted.”

But that’s only the beginning. Ms. Macmillan noted another byproduct: “The lack of snow cover in winter creates soil diseases and E. coli in cows because certain bugs don’t die off. Most people aren’t aware of it, but the cantaloupe listeria outbreak that killed 25 people began in Colorado.” .....

'What we’re talking about are water wars and astronomical amounts of money being paid to Colorado by water-hungry areas in the southwest. Ms. Macmillan weighed in: “Last year, the city and county of Denver spent $200,000 on cloud seeding. But in Colorado, there’s a blackout on this story among those in the press.”....'

Though I don't have the link, a similar thing occured in Cuba, with water falling in the wrong area, and agricultural areas having a highly unusual drought. Many Biological attacks on Cuba have been discovered, as well of course as terroriist atrocities and assassination attempts on Castro.
In the case of Cuba, the 'cloud seeding' would have been done offshore, or perhaps with HAARP.

[outsider]

Beats me how some people that I know personally, and whom I know are true Truthers, cannot see the evidence before their own eyes.
Assuming that their disbelief prevents them from just looking up and checking the skies on a regular basis (the phenomena are not always visible in an obviously contrived manner), I ask these 'genuine doubters' (and the one's I know personally, also know me, so they know I am convinced), to look at the skies frequently.
The phenomena I ask them to look for are (a) Planes (and their 'Trails') making sudden alterations to their flight paths, frequently 120*, sometimes even 90*; commercial planes don't play 'silly *uggers', suddenly deciding, 'Hey, I fancy going to Rio instead of Boston; yippee, here we go'; oddly enough, the passengers might become rather irate.
The other, and more compelling evidence (because one could always say, 'well, it might be a military plane, and has received different orders' or whatever) is
(b) the extremely frequent late afternoon phenomena of seeing rows of parallel and approx. equidistant lines in the distant sky.
These can be a dozen, twenty, or more lines: ANY EXPLANATIONS, ANYONE?
Well, one that springs to my mind is that the planes that sprayed the muck (be it exhaust vapour of chemical sprays) are flying (and 'exhausting' or 'spraying') to a planned program.
COME ON GUYS AND GALS, please come up with an answer other than deliberate spraying (or at least flying) to a planned, non-commercial flight pattern??

By the way, for anyone who has stumbled on this and wonders what the heck we are on about, here is a very short 4.57 minute video clip:

Geoengineering explained by G. Edward Griffin:
http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/global-warming-scam-1/geoengineerin g-explained-by-g-edward-griffin-.html

[outsider]

Another short video clip; note near the end of the 7-minute clip. the plane shutting off the spray, then switching it on again:
http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com/videos/chemtrails/kent-chemtrails- awareness-uk-.html

A good argument that these chemtrails are not spread by civil aircraft is the fact that on many occasions, particularly late afternoon/early evening, many parallel lines, approximately equidistant, can be seen (on a number of occasions I have counted over twenty).
This makes no sense; civil aircraft fly in flight paths; fuel is expensive, so they wouldn't play 'silly *uggers' and fly so far out of a bee-line to their destination.

Also, it would make no sense to spray from civilian airliners, for the reason stated above, as this would leave very dense 'trails' in the flight paths, from the many aircraft using the paths, and very little elsewhere, when it is obvious from observation that huge areas, outside normal flightpaths, are equally covered.

[outsider]

Another useful website, 'Aircrap':

http://aircrap.org/gates-funded-experiment-spray-atmosphere-sulphur-pa rticles/334837/

[Andrew.]

[outsider]

More chemtrail info (though the writers seem to think it's not happening already virtually all over the world):
There are some interesting links to military reports re 'owning the weather':

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/14/russian-scie ntists-field-test-geoengineering/

By the way, there is a new video out by the people that put out 'What In The World Are They Spraying?', called 'Why In The World Are They Spraying?'; I'm sure it will be good, like their previous video, but it's not up on the net yet (understandebly, they need to recoup at least some of the expenses incurred putting it together).
I shall be buying it; I hope many of the public do to.
This poisoning of the air, ground and water will not go away, if there is not a mass understanding of what is going on, and mass protests (though I doubt this will occur).

[Andrew.]

[outsider]

Though there is another Thread up on HAARP, Chemtrails and HAARP are interconnected:
http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/search.php?mode=results


HAARP and What It's Used For:
http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com/videos/haarp/what-is-haarp.html

'Angels Don't Play This HAARP':
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2804238542173218531

and the later follow-up:

'Angels Still Don't Play This HAARP'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLZcaItj70U

[outsider]

Another very good full-length documentary on chemtrails:

Rosalind Peterson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTxvWLrUeE8

California Skywatch website:
http://www.agriculturedefensecoalition.org/content/california-skywatch

[Sabrewolf]

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The chemical Phosgene is being sprayed over populated areas and not just in the U.S.

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[outsider]

A short clip by G. Edward Griffin on new 'Why in the World are They Spraying?':

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNF-3DwPYCs