Nov'06 Litvinenko Polonium assassin CIAs Alexander Goldfarb?

[ian neal]

[Mark Gobell]

Well, I've just read the entire thread and cannot see anywhere, anyone suggesting that Putin murdered Litvinenko.

The date facts I post are just that, facts.

Make of them what you will.

So, I see no reason at all, other than your will to do so Mr Pincher, to denigrate folk making posts.

Which is why I asked.

That's it.

[Pincher]

[quote="ian neal"]

[rodin]

Did Litvinenko accuse Putin from his death bed as reported?

[ian neal]

Review of Litvinenko's book by Kenyon Gison

BLOWING UP RUSSIA
Alexander Litvinenko and Yuri Felshtinsky
317 pages. ISBN # 1903933951
Published in London by Gibson Square, 2007

Earlier this week a package arrived at my door in London, with a most interesting item, which I extracted from its wrapping and read while walking, occasionally bumping into other pedestrians, cyclists, and a few 4x4s. Collateral damage they will have to be called, for what I held in my hands was the newly released tome Blowing Up Russia. It is an eerie tell-all book, and to add to the eerieness, I happened to be walking that day on the same path I took one day in November, when I was on the way to hand in a get well card to the book’s senior author, Alexander Litvinenko. Having heard of his plight, and the need for a bone marrow transfer, I proceeded to the University College of London Hospital with the card and the offer.
On arrival, I discreetly went to the desk and showed his name to the receptionist, careful not to mention it aloud. She, equally discreet, typed in the name and told me that there was no match. “Did you try intensive care?”, I asked again. This time her colleague had a look at the name, and told me that she recognised it, but that such a person was not in their care, and in fact, a gentleman a few moments earlier had also asked for him and been turned away. She handed the card back, and I left the building. As soon as I did, two men came out of a side entrance and started sweeping the street. Odd, I noted then, that they did not have on the least bit of winter clothing. But my thoughts were cut short by the sound of footsteps running from behind and a demand that I produce picture ID. A woman and a man, both with badges, positioned themselves behind me whilst the street sweepers now stood in front. I was hemmed in and left as to no doubt that the clueless girls at reception had pushed a silent alarm as soon as they saw the name of the patient they pretended not to have.
After some scrutiny the atmosphere outside relaxed and warmed a bit as they took stock of my mission. When asked why I was making such an offer, I replied that I wanted to help if possible, and that, in some sort of irony, I used to watch Russian ships in and around Guantánamo Bay for the US Navy. Litvinenko, I explained, was my opposite, though quite a few ranks above me, lowly enlisted man that I was, and that I respected his work against the Russian government’s crimes and false flag terror. At the end of this impromptu grilling they apologised for all the cloak-and-dagger tactics and took the card to give to him.
To this day I have no idea if he ever saw it; he died two days after that incident. By that time I had been collecting press clippings of the story, watching it unfold like an onion being peeled. It was strange to note some of the coverage, most notably the Independent’s Mary Dejevsky, who almost boasted that she had ignored him at the Front Line Club, a press hangout in Paddington, when he announced that he knew who killed Anna Politavskaya. Apparently, the great Ms. Dejevsky did not even bother to find out who he was. She then put him down as some kind of traitor, and dismissed the whole profession of intelligence gatherers. Ouch, that includes me, lowly seaman that I was making rain reports on Russian vessels loaded with sugar, bananas and other weapons of mass delicacy.
The Guardian came up with a story, shortly after he died, about his alleged attempt to blackmail politicians. The woman who supplied this information tried to blacken his name, making herself out to be very cool indeed and him a nerd; there has since been no conclusive evidence of any attempt to use blackmail on his part. Now the woman, who was featured so prominently on that page with her legs dangling into the text, which were absurdly juxtaposed to the images of him on his deathbed, has gone back to the woodwork, or, perhaps, to her handlers in some intelligence agency who had an interest in planting such stories.
Litvinenko’s legacy is one of honesty and clean living. He refused orders from the FSB, formerly known as the KGB, to kill Boris Berezovsky, a businessman who was then head of Executive Secretary of the Commonwealth of Intenational States. Litvinenko was jailed on false charges, and then escaped with his family to the UK, where they were granted citizenship shortly before his poisoning.
His escape was a matter of necessity not just for refusing to carry out a hit, but also because he wrote a book about the apartment bombings in Russia. Made to look like the work of Moslem terrorists, Russia’s equivalent to 9/11 and the anthrax letters in the US, these occurred in September of 1999. Moscow, Buinaksk, Volgodosnk and Ryazan were targeted, and hundreds of people died. Outcry ensued, and Putin was able to send the troops into Chechnya.
However, there were many questions about the official story, and this book is the seminal work on this phenomena, up there with Annie Machon’s Spies, Lies and Whistleblowers and David Ray Griffin’s The New Pearl Harbor. It manages to present the evidence against the state very coherently; unlike some of the internet conspiracy chatrooms, this is not built on speculation but on facts, including technical analysis, a signed confession, military and police records, and eyewitness accounts. There are also touches of humour, especially in the chapters 5 and 6: “Fiasco in Ryazan” and “Mass Terror”. In these, some of the public question and answer sessions are right out of George Orwell’s Animal Farm, where the pigs give all sorts of twisted and contradictory explanations to their comrades. The irony, together with am insight into Russian character, give colour to what is a very grim and grey subject. As the phony terror exercise in Ryazan is stopped by a citizen who sees something suspicious, the government agencies commit one stupid blunder after another, whilst the people and the press are up in arms and publicly calling them idiots and murderers. Cleverly, they plead guilty to the lesser of the two charges, and use national security as a cover for their deeds. A number of papers, including Moscow Komsomolets, Cheliabinsky Rabochy, Volzhskaya Kommuna and Ekho Movsky, ran articles challenging the official story. Versiya brazenly lampooned the idea that sacks of hexogen were merely sacks of sugar being used in a training exercsie, asking: “What sort of an idiot would try to explode three sacks of ordinary sugar at an artillery range?”
For satire alone, this is worth reading. But beneath any levity is a great tragedy, not only in that the USSR blew up its own citizens to justify a ‘war on terror’ in Chechnya, and that it then killed one of its defectors here in London, but that the press in the ‘free world’ is so lacking in courage when it comes to looking at facts. After 9/11, we were told all kinds of silly things, which few if any in the fourth estate even queried. They allowed the most ridiculous of statements to be published as fact, not stopping once to notice that the official story of 9/11 contradicts the laws of physics and is completely rubbished by eyewitnesses such as William Rodriguez, the hero who saved hundreds of lives that day. Polly Toynbee of the Guardian went so far as to tell me he would not know what an explosion sounded like; but does she bother to hear him and then form an opinion? No. Nor does Johann Hari of the Independent, who tells me I am deranged for urging him to come and listen to this internationally respected witness speak. Both of them can put themselves above heroes and witnesses to persist in their unsound views. That is their right, and they are exercising it. The Russian journalists have, on the other hand, exercised their right to look at the facts and print the truth, putting to shame their western counterparts, and their comrade Litvinenko has made a name for himself and the country of his birth with this book. No wonder it was banned, and no wonder that as he was looking for an English edition to be published, he was tracked down and killed. The co-author, Felshtinsky, was advised by the FBI in the US not to come to London this month and promote the book. One wonders, perhaps, if the FBI is really thinks London is dangerous or if it is interested in not having this kind of information promoted?
This book gives a lot of background information, not necessarily directly related to false flag terror; the authors have included many blow-by-blow accounts of Russian organised crime activity, much of which is tied in to the government, with the line between the two not always clearly drawn. We get to meet such characters as Max Lazovksy, Dmitri Naumov, Sergei Larionov and Vadim Goldberg, arch criminals who lived and died by the sword, ruthless versions of Bonnie & Clyde. To understand Russian and Central Asian politics today, one must get their hands on this book, which is written not merely with ink, but in blood.
I recommend this book to anyone, it is well documented and well-written. If your local bookshop does not stock it, copies may be obtained from the publisher: sales@gibsonsquare.com

Kenyon Gibson,
Author of Common Sense: A Study of the Bushes, the CIA and the Suspicions Regarding 9/11 and Hemp for Victory: History and Qualities of the World’s Most Useful Plant.
Note: The reviewer is not affiliated with Gibson Square in any way.

[Pincher]

[rodin]

OK Pincher. Nothing is certain.

I am in 2 minds - is Putin agin the Zionistas as evidenced by his jailing of Khordokovsky (sp) or is he playing a part too?

Reason I ask is he seems unwilling to bring down the house of cards which anyone in serious authority could do by exposing the 911 issue which of course leads right to Rothschild, who got the shares from Yukos from K sent to Israel as I recall.

This for me is a most serious question. Is Putin working for Russia or Rothschild?

[Pincher]

[rodin]

[Pincher]

It is a mistake to regard Putin as an 'elected autocrat' who can rule Russia in any way he chooses. Rather, he is the executive instrument of a powerful, conservative faction within the FSB and other Russian intelligence agencies.

Putin was/is tasked with very specific mandates: to rein in the newly created super rich oligarchs, re-establish state control over domestic oil and gas reserves (through re-nationalisation and the repurchasing of oil drilling concessions made to foreign companies) and to extend Russian influence and control over such reserves and production in the Central Asian Republics and elsewhere in the Middle East.

The objectives are to limit Western control over the Russian economy and, more specifically and importantly, deny Western (US & UK) oil majors access to Eurasian oil and gas reserves. By gaining access to much of the international supply of oil and gas Russia would not only control the price of these commodities it would enjoy significant influence over Western economic activity and, consequentially, substantially increase its leverage in all trade negotiations.

The West's response to Putin's election was 9/11. Acting on the pretext of eradicating Islamic extremism, Western forces have moved onto the Eurasian land mass and are now engaged in largely 'phoney wars' in that the various 'enemies' (Talib, Al Qaeda, Sunni insurgency, Shia resistance) are either creations of the CIA and allied agencies such as Mossad, the Pakistani ISI and the Saudi services or are heavily infiltrated and controlled by them.

The purpose of these conflicts is to break up the ME (and possibly CAR's) into its regional and ethnic components thus reversing the French and British post colonial model in favour of the Ottoman 'Millet' system of self governing 'dhimmi.' Only this time the dominant regional power will be Israel whose status will be enhanced through becoming the hub for the importation and re-exportation of CAR oil to the 'Far East' (code for China).

The Millet system was re-espoused as far back as 1979 by an Israeli journalist, Oded Yinon, in his paper 'A strategy for the 1980's' as a solution to the existential threat to the state of Israel posed by 'pan Arabism' (the unification of all Arab states under a single leader - a philosophy supported and encouraged by the former Soviet Union).

The current crisis in the ME is effectively largely a proxy war over oil and gas between the Anglo Saxon alliance with the US at its head on the one hand and the Soviet Union and China on the other. This has come to be known as either 'The New Great Game' (a recreation of 'The Great Game', the Briitsh Empire's dilpomatic and military struggle in Central Asia with Tsarist Russia) or 'The Grand Chess Board' ( see Zbigniew Brzezinski's 'Waters Flowing Eastwards').

There, no need to believe in the hook nosed bullion hoaders of Threadneedle Street. And no need either to brown nose Muslim patsies whose gullibility and bigotry and willingness to play ball provide the West's cover for this unnecessary conflict (and that means YOU, Gobell).

[rodin]

AHA! I will re-read this in the morning once I have sobered up, but even in my inebriated state I can recognise a substantial post Pincher. Now I must go and park my camper van...

[Mark Gobell]

Oh dear oh dear oh dear.

Mr Pincher. I enjoy reading your missives I really do. Seriously. Whilst not wanting to "brown nose" you, it is obvious to me that you have a well developed understanding of international affairs and so I welcome your perspective and contribution here.

If I have offended your sensibilities by posting my thoughts then I really don't know what I can do about that.

I have also said before that I hold no particular torch for Muslims or any other group of people.

I am aware of the willing patsies, the gullible and the seriously intent. I am also aware that this is being done for the reasons you say.

My aim is not to "brown nose" Muslims as you so fervently assert, neither is it to ignore the cold blooded murder of innocent British citizens in their name.

Perhaps your enemy of choice is not mine Mr Pincher. So who is your real enemy in this game then Mr Pincher.

Your analysis must have an end point. I suspect a means to that end might be your position and the game a worthwhile price to pay ?

[conspiracy analyst]

[Mark Gobell]

Makes you wonder where the "the powerful, conservative faction within the FSB and other Russian intelligence agencies" who now want their assets back, were hiding when Boris Vodka was having his garage sale doesn't it ?

[rodin]

[Pincher]

[rodin]

Scaramella & 911

http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://rense.com/general74/ russ.htm

Please ignore the annoyyingmouse bad taste ads...

[Mark Gobell]

Amazingly another 77 motif between two murders, as in the Litvinenko case.

This time it's Paul Klebnikov, assassinated on 9.7.4 and Roman Igorevich Tsepov, irradiated on 24.9.4.

Both critics of Boris Berezovsky and both dying 77 days apart.

[TonyGosling]

Jeezzzz - - - flying today - more conspiracy theory turned conspiracy fact revealed here.......
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/04/15/wruss1 15.xml
According to the 'Daily Telegraph', a number of members of the British
royal family are in the 'clique' around Boris Berezovsky.

Specific mention is made of 'Prince' Michael of Kent the Grand Master of World Freemasonry aka. United Grand Lodge

T

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/04/15/wruss1 15.xml

[Mark Gobell]

Very interesting.

[karlos]

The Litvinenko poisoning
was a false flag operation organised by Boris Berezovsky himself
to avoid extradition against him and to tarnish the image of Russia

[Pincher]

[karlos]

[rodin]

I propose a very simple explanation for the Litvinenko affair. If L did indeed have information that would expose False Flags. He was stopped in a way that was pure theatre. A spectacle.

Who did it? Putin or Berezovsky?

Could the answer be both? Certainly L thought it was Putin. We assume Putin is against the Oligarchs. Maybe this is more theatre.

[rodin]

[karlos]

MOSCOW, April 13 (RIA Novosti) - Russian prosecutors have brought new charges of embezzlement against exiled tycoon Boris Berezovsky, one of his lawyers said Friday.

Andrei Borovkov said after a visit to the Russian Prosecutor's Office that Berezovsky had been charged with embezzling 214 million rubles ($8.28 million) from national flagship air carrier Aeroflot.

In the late 1990s, Berezovsky was accused of setting up two front companies in Switzerland to divert millions of dollars from Aeroflot's coffers, but he fled prosecution and settled in the U.K., where he was granted political asylum in 2003.

The Russian Prosecutor's Office said it would take up the case after Berezovsky told The Guardian that he has bankrolled Kremlin insiders conspiring to overthrow President Vladimir Putin. It said it would complete the probe Monday to transfer the case to court.

Also Monday, Russian prosecutors would send another extradition request for Berezovsky to the British government.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Prosecutors turned up the heat on exiled magnate Boris Berezovsky on Wednesday, indicting the former Kremlin insider and two of his business associates for "large-scale fraud" at flagship automaker AvtoVAZ.

Deputy Prosecutor General Vladimir Kolesnikov said Berezovsky, together with Badri Patarkatsishvili and Yuly Dubov, used Berezovsky's LogoVAZ dealership in a complicated scheme to defraud AvtoVAZ out of more than 2,000 cars worth $13 million in 1994-95.


Russian prosecutors have previously charged him with fraud. He was granted political asylum in the UK in 2003.

MOSCOW, April 23 (RIA Novosti) - Britain has no legal grounds to refuse Russia's extradition request for fugitive oligarch Boris Berezovsky, a senior Russian parliament member said Monday.

The Prosecutor General's Office announced April 16 it was seeking Berezovsky's extradition following an interview he gave The Guardian newspaper calling for regime change in Russia.

"There are no legal grounds for not extraditing Berezovsky," said Pavel Krasheninnikov, head of the State Duma's Civil, Criminal, Arbitration and Procedural Law Committee, and a former justice minister.

Berezovsky, who was granted political asylum in the U.K. in 2003 after fleeing prosecution in his home country on fraud and money laundering charges, is facing new accusations in Russia after telling The Guardian that he has bankrolled Kremlin insiders conspiring to overthrow President Vladimir Putin.

Berezovsky told The Guardian: "We need to use force to change this regime, because ... this regime is unconstitutional." "It means that I call to use force to recreate [a] constitutional regime," The Guardian's Web site quoted Berezovsky as saying.

Berezovsky is already facing sedition charges, brought against him in February 2006 after he made similar comments in an interview with a major French news agency.

"Any violent actions on the part of the opposition in Russia will be justified today. Including a coup. This is precisely what I am working on now," he told Agence France-Presse.

In the late 1990s, Berezovsky was accused of setting up two front companies in Switzerland to divert millions of dollars from Russian flagship air carrier Aeroflot's coffers, but he fled prosecution and settled in the U.K.

Embezzlement charges were also leveled against Berezovsky in 2002 in connection with the alleged theft of cars in a deal between major Russian automakers Logovaz and Avtovaz.

In late March of this year, Berezovsky was questioned in London by Russian prosecutors investigating the murder of former Russian secret agent Alexander Litvinenko, who was Berezovsky's personal advisor.

[TonyGosling]

In all this squabbling the key Telegraph quote illustrating Berezovsky's satanic/high masonic charmed circle of friends (which might explain him living the life of an arch villain in a spy yarn or a Dennis Wheatley novel) appears to have been lost....

[Craig W]

Just read this thread (that's my Saturday night sorted LOL)

Some very good posts and info on here. Thanks all.

Among the many unanswered questions surrounding the strange death of Litvinenko one sticks out in my mind:

As the official investigation found the source of the Polonium 210 was a "teapot" in the Millennim Hotel, what were the three dense, round objects found in his intestines?

Here are the relevant excerpts from a BBC piece on 23/11/06:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6175424.stm

[karlos]

Putin is a Russian nationalist
When Yeltsin was in power he destroyed the soviet union and during this period the zionists filled their boots.
Since Putin has been in power he has clawed back much of russia's wealth which was looted by the zionists.

Litvinenko who was living in Osier Crescent in Musell hill in a £600,000 townhouse owned by Berezovsky was sacrificed to keep Berezovsky out of jail.

[Pincher]

To Gosling, Stelios, & Craig - you're all barking up the wrong trees.

Gosling, your morbid fascination with the occult and your desire to create mystery out of everything prevents you from seeing anything that's right in front of your nose.

Stelios, you're jejune anti semitism and you're inability to see that Berezovski is the puppet and not the puppeteer puts your intellectual knickers in a state of permanent twistedness.

Craig, sorry mate, but youve fallen for the conjurer's sleight of hand.

Although it is still not clear exactly WHY Litvinenko was killed there can be little doubt about WHO killed him. Now, why do I say this? Because the information is out there in the public domain. It's simply a matter of following the time lines and putting 2 and 2 together.

So, listen up if you REALLY do want to know (rather than prove an improbable theory).

1. On the 1st of November last Litvinenko meets Mario Scaramella in the early afternoon (at the latter's request) in the ITSU Sushi Bar. Litvinenko reports Scaramella as being agitated and showing him an FSB 'death list' which could have been emailed.

2. Later on that afternoon Litvinenko meets (at HIS request) old FSB colleagues Kovtun and Lugovoi and one of their colleauges, Sokolenko in the bar of the Millenium Hotel.

Now, pay attention. Although the media tried to dupe us LATER into thinking that 1 followed 2 it did not happen that way. Itsu came before the Millenium. OK? I'll carry on...

3. When the Daily Mail 'broke' the story (in the UK) on the 18th November it claimed that Litvinenko had been poisoned with THALIUM 210. Not Polonium 210. The Sunday Times went further and quoted a Professor Tony Henry as saying that toxcicoology tests carried out at Guy's confirmed THALIUM poisoning.

Now pay attention AGAIN. THALIUM was the confirmed agent that killed Litvinenko NOT polonium. However things changed during the course of the following week so that within hours of Litvinenko's death it was POLONIUM 210 that was now 'confirmed' as the killing agent. How and why had this happened?

Because the authorities LIED. Thalium has an antidote called Radiogardese (licensed by the FDA since 2003) and even Polonium 210 (a low Alpha emitter of radiation) can be chelated by a substance called DMSA. If Litvinenko was ministered either of these substances he could have been kept alive at the very least for several months. Anyway, I digress. Now concentrate VERY HARD.

4) After Litvinenko's death Itsu's Shushi Bar tested POSITIVE for Polonium 210 and was boarded up. The Millennium Hotel also tested positive for Polonium and they put up a tasteful Marquee outside.

DO YOU GET IT NOW???!!! Or have you fallen for the conjurer's slight of hand AGAIN Craig? If we accept that Litvinenko was poisoned with Polonium (but he almost certainly wasn't) it would have to have been given to him at ITSU's and NOT the Millennium Hotel. His Russian pals did not visit Itsu and the time line doesn't lie - Litvinenko didn't visit Itsu after the Millennium meeting.

5) Flights taking the Russians to and from London and stop over destinations in Germany all suposedly tested positive for Polonium. But Mario Scaramella's EASY JET flights from/to Naples didn't test positive. Why?

BECAUSE SPECIAL BRANCH DECLINED TO TEST THOSE PLANES!!!

What is even more remarkable is that Scaramella on returning to the UK after Litvinenko's death was initially reported as fearing very high levels of contamination before mysterously being given the all clear.

There are a whole host of other oddities and inconsistencies about this case which I could go into. But the main point is this: the fact that Polonium was found at ITSU'S leaves 'Putin's men' Kovtun, Lugovoi and Sokolenko in the clear.

And the fact that Special Branch declined to test Scaramella's Easy Jet flights clearly shows that the UK authorities are trying to frame Putin.