Mon16Apr - LONDON - film premiere BBC/Guy Smith

[Skeptic]

I think a topic that should accompany 9/11 is disinfo itself.

Documentaries like Orwell Rolls in his Grave are great for instilling distrust of mainstream media in the viewer.

If there is to be any side-issue it is pr & media disinfo/ spin.

If anyone would like a copy of Orwell Rolls in his Grave, pm me (or attend the next London meeting.

Cheers

[karlos]

[Martin J]

[karlos]

Can i ask you how is the 911 truth movement helped if it spends some of its time campaigning for Hemp, Chemtrails, growing you own veg, etc?

We must be EXACTLY like every other movement or party or organisation that has gone before. Campaign only on the core issues and campaign far and wide and hard but only on those core issues. There are many other issues all of us are interested but we must divorce them from the 911, 7/7, war, trident, etc

or the alternative is to split up. Some stick to the common sense strategy and others dissappear up in the clouds

[Snowygrouch]

"Keep the enemy confused - don`t play their game"

Honestly Martin;
Are you actuallyl serious when you say that?

I doubt the perpetrators of 9/11 or the various sectors of the security services who probably requent the meetings will find Hemp or vegetables confusing??!?!??!?!?!?!

Are you suggesting that the MI5 informer reporting back after that meeting said:

"Well I though they were dangerous and focused but actually I`m so confused now that they mentioned vegatables in their talk"

I`ll be mostly sticking to 9/11 thankyou.

[Annie]

Hi Stelios

There was some discussion about our forming a political party last year, but the overwhelming view was to avoid playing by the rules laid down by the PTB. If we were to do so, we would inhibit what we can discuss, become too hierarchical and lay ourselves wide open to penetration (not a pretty image, but apt when thinking about the forces of darkness).

The fact the movement is a "broad church" encompassing, as I have said before, all positions from LIHOP to lizards is our strength. It can also be, at times, a weakness.

This is why a discrete Campaign was set up. Thus we can remain a fluid, individualistic movement for those who feel comfortable operating in this way. But it also allows us to work in a precise and controlled manner when we need to, especially when dealing with the media, politicians etc.

No doubt this topic will come up for discussion again at the Leeds Truth Festival in May.

Regards

Annie

[karlos]

hello Annie

Was a vote taken last year?
You see having a broad church is fine but if we are to move forward we need a clearly defined strategy.
Rules are part of any club, society, organisation and all participants must abide by certain codes of conduct.
Having a loose collective of everyone pulling in various directions trying to furrow their own path is ok for the cats protection league but it is not ok for the fight for freedom, democracy and justice.

I commend what you have achieved up till now, but you really need to move up to the next level.
Raise funds, get donations, get a membership, commission opinion polls, lobby politicians, take out adverts in newspapers, and finally even stick up our own candidates for elections.
We have seen UKIP and the Greens and other groups do exactly this same strategy.
A few years ago UKIP were a protest group looking to save the pound. Now they are mainstream with 12 MEPs and the support on the issue of europe of over 50% of the electorate.
A few years ago the greens were also an extremely fringe group of woolly jumpers. Now ever party is wooing the green vote and their are Green assembly members and MEPs
In america there was Cynthia Mckinney, Ron Paul, and maybe Curt Weldon who were 3 politicians who challenged official CT. Now they are all out of office.
In britain there is no MP, MEP, or assembly member anywhere who is in any way questioning anything. Either we lobby existing ones or we stand candidates against them starting with the london mayor.
In america rosie odonnel, james brolin, charlie sheen and others are on board. Name one celebrity in the UK.

Outside London the truth movement seems to be making progress, but it must be said that 90% of people only convert because of loose change or one of the other films. The UK truth movement is not converting people, nor is it lobbying journalists or politicians SUCCESFULLY
I am sorry to say this but you all know it is true, we need to start beating the drum now before it is all too late.

Like i stated many times we need a campaign, a membership, fundraising, a more organised and professional approach. It is not enough to say supporters we need ACTIVISTS. We need to get up the noses of mp's and journalists until they start asking the questions themselves.

We need to rid our campaign of fringe elements who have other campaigns better suited for there aspirations.
Me personally, i want to stop this war and the next one.
I want to scrap trident. And stop depleted uranium bombs being dropped in Iraq and Lebanon.
I want to impeach Blair the PM and Blair the PC.
I want an end to the facist police state we are heading into.
I want a government that is not racist in the way this one is against all ethnic minorities. EG Deporting widows whose husbands died in Iraq serving in OUR army. I want an end to all of Blairs lies.
I want the perpetrators of 7/7 brought to account in a criminal court. From the evidence i have seen it was MOSSAD.
As all of the above started with the false flag operation known as 911 i want the true culprits to be found out. I dont know who all of them are but there is enough evidence to indict many dozens of people. 911 was the catylist for all of the above and more. 655,000 dead in Iraq, people held in torture and hangings and rapes in their homeland. Afghanistan a similar story, Guantanamou Bay.

If any of you think growing your own vegetables, or chemtrails, or hemp are more important than the above issues then either you or myself must join a different campaign.

[karlos]

[The Watcher]

Stelios69wrote:

[karlos]

Mossad are a secret service. With agents and operatives.
Quite different from any religion or any political movement.

The same way one might blame M16 for the death of Diana rather than the whole UK Labour Party membership or the whole worldwide christian population. You see my point.

[The Watcher]

Stelios69 wrote:

[xmasdale]

[Annie]

I believe that Anthony in Yorkshire bought a load of bumper stickers. Don't know where from, but they were good.

[Annie]