Zeitgeist The Movie

[Stuart]

Hi everyone

I am not sure if this is old news but i watched a film called Zeitgeist tonight and found it easily the best and most complete film i have seen yet in linking the topics we discuss here.

Its coverage of 9/11 is also superb and well summed up and if showed it to any new comer it would have alot of impact.

It starts with 35 mins exposing the religions and where they all descend from, i believe many would find this very enlightening and i have never seen it put so susinctly. It then moves swiftly onto 9/11 and then onto the international banking fraud and the media and then a summary of other false flag attacks and then an insight into where it all ends.

Sounds like the usual stuff i know but trust me you will love it and will find it riverting from beginning to end.

Be great to put a link to it on the front page!!

www.zeitgeistmovie.com

Let me know what you make of it

[Light Infantree]

Hi daretocare,

I first saw this movie about a month ago and was, like you, blown away by it. It is very cleverly put together and IMO will crack a few more eggshells about the place.

I'd like to see this one on the sites main page too.

[Cruise4]

Came across a reference to this post on the http://www.nineeleven.co.uk site and thought it worth posting here. I haven't checked any of the info but always worth seeing other opinion, and it helps the Christians stay with the program maybe:

Originally Posted by OperaPhantom91
I hate to ruin the fun for you all, but the guy has most of his facts wrong.

Zeitgeist is based off of the historical works of Acharya S – pen name for D. Murdock. When I read her works she used vulgar language and wrote in such a way that many historians have ostracized her. Many Christians have pointed out the fallacies of her work.

This movie is largely based upon her book “The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Told” and “Suns of God: Krishna, Buddha, and Christ Unveiled”. Her work is often criticized as ‘twisting the truth’, ‘misleading’, ‘made-up’, ‘over-exaggerated’, ‘bias…without contempt for historical accuracy’, ‘a spit in the face to modern history’ and so on. (I will try to find those articles for you guys.)

To start with, I will point out the fallacies in the movie:
Horus was the SKY GOD in Egyptian mythology, NOT the SUN GOD. Ra was the sun god. Horus means "Falcon". Eventually, yes, Horus did become associated with the Sun through his eyes. One eye was the sun, the other the moon - so he was not conquered by Set at night.
None of those were born of a virgin birth:
Horus was the son of Osiris (a male god of the underworld) and Isis (a female god). As time progresses we see that the Hellenic Greeks got Horus confused with Osiris, which would make Horus his own father... still not a virgin birth, as there was a father - himself, according to Greeks.
Attis was the son of Cybele... well he sort of had a virgin birth - His mother was impregnated by a tree that was inseminated by a creature called Agdistis who was the son of the mountain which was inseminated by Zeus. Kinda not really a virgin birth.
Krishna was the eighth son born to the princess Devaki, and her husband Vasudeva, born on July 19th 3228 BC
Dionysus' mother was a mortal Semele and his father was the god Zeus. Zeus had intercourse with his mother - so sorry, not a virgin.
Mithra was born from a rock... I guess that's a virgin...? Kind of a stretch there, ya think?
In fact, most 'virgin births' in mythology were things like "coming from the semen of poseidon and the sea" or "coming from Zeus' head" or a rock, like Mithra!
It should be noted that the Romans invented Crucifixion, it did not exist prior the later half of the first millennium BC
Historically speaking, Mithraism was actually influenced by Christianity - though it can be traced to 2000 years before Christ, we do not start seeing parallels to Christianity until the second century AD, 200 years after the birth of Christianity, and 120 years after the last New Testament document was written.
Though traditionally Jesus is said to have been born on Dec. 25th, it is actually believed he was born in August. It is well known facts that Christians celebrated His birth on Dec. 25th to purposely compete with the Pagan faiths.
As for them all being dead for 3 days and resurrecting - I've found no evidence of this from a reliable source.
The "Three Kings" in Orion’s Belt did not appear until the Middle Ages, long after the appearance of Christianity - Scientists have yet to confirm what the Magi saw that brought them to Bethlehem, all we know is that there was Zoroastrian prophecy saying that a 'star' would appear in the 'West' and lead them to the King of Israel, and savior of mankind.
Notice, the documentary claims that a star in the 'East' - Sirius - aligns with Orion’s belt and becomes brighter...
The Three Wise Men or Kings specifically came from the East, traveling WEST to Bethlehem. Why would they follow an eastern star to go west if they're coming from the East? Furthermore, Jesus was born in the West of the three kings and not the East.
The "M" argument is just plain stupid! What are the Greeks and Chinese/Indians doing using Latin glyphs and Roman mythology and astrology? (many Greek myths were modified by the Romans)
The solstice bit shows a misunderstanding of the sun's movement. The Solstice does not always occur on the 21st, it can occur between the 21st and 23rd. The sun does not just sit idly by for 3 days, waiting for us to make legends about it. It will appear to rise the following day.
The astrology account is not very reliable. According to most astrologists, the age of Pisces began 200 years before Christ, and ended in the year 2000. It’s still rather confusing, and I don’t think they know what age we’re in now, but most sources agree that Pisces started hundreds of years before the birth of Christ. So sorry, close but no cigar.
It should also be noted that Hebrew culture did not embrace the Zodiac, and that Moses never used a ram’s horn – that was mentioned once in the Old testament to signify the coming of the Egyptians. It should be noted that the Gregorian calendar (which our modern day one is largely based on) and Jewish calendar do not follow the Zodiac in anyway shape and or form, and that the Zodiac is not a Jewish symbol, and to Christians, has always been regarded as pagan.
The Symbols of Jesus coming from the Zodiac, while an impressive find, are not really based off the Zodiac. He uses one Zodiac illustration throughout the documentary; it should be noted that not all, in fact, most did not have the axis. The circular symbol around the center of the cross is a simplification of statues which show a halo/crown of thorns around Christ:
I’ve tried looking up this “Nemo” from Babylon – I’ve found no mention outside of a very bias archaeological report (by Murdock). In fact, Manou is the only one I’ve found, and he was an Indian law god around 1000 BC, 1000 years after Moses. Minos was king of Crete, who supposedly got laws from Zeus to impose on his subjects every 9 years. As for Mises… once again, nothing.
In fact, the only mention of ‘nemo’ in a lawgiver sense outside of sources based off of this documentary is in the Latin Vulgate Bible, the Book of John, chapter 7, verse 19:
“Nonne Moses dedit vobis legem et nemo ex vobis facit legem”
Translates:
Did not Moses give you the Law, and [yet] none of you carries out the Law? Why do you seek to kill Me?
“Nemo” translates to “none”. This is the only mention of Nemo coming close to a lawgiver outside of the research in Zeitgeist.
In Zeitgeist, the narrator claims that there is no historical proof for Christ, and gives 40 historians who he says do not mention Christ.
Josephus does mention Jesus Christ.
So does Pliny the Younger and
Tacitus, and I think
Tiberius does too.
His claim of Christ being the sun god of Gnostics is rather an idiotic claim
The Gnostics believed Christ similarly to the same way Christians do now – except they believe he was a man, had babies, etc, and came after the first book of the New Testament was believed to have been written.
Not only that, but he claims that the Romans used Christianity for control – this is not so, they had been persecuting Christians for 300 years.
In fact, Constantine used the Edict of Milan as a method of control – not Christianity.
He was not interested in uniting the Empire under one faith, but ending the blood shed – which he did by legalizing ALL religions, not just Christianity.
And the narrator also forgets that the Vatican contributed vastly to the Renascence, perhaps more so than they did the Dark Ages,
and that the Christian Greeks of the Byzantine Empire were the most technologically advanced people of all time until the 1700’s.
He points out the similarities of Jesus and Joseph, and yet, fails to realize that everything recorded in the New Testament is recorded to show Jesus’ fulfillment of Old Testament prophecies.
He also does not name the differences between Jesus and Joseph – Joseph was not born of a virgin birth, but of a mother in old age - is one example.
Over all the documentary is dangerous and presents exagerated truths and made up theories as facts, and makes connections between them. To anyone who is not well educated in the field of history, this movie will curve them into believing something that is not true. Something that Atheists accuse us Christians of doing.

[blackcat]

[Stuart]

[In Zeitgeist, the narrator claims that there is no historical proof for Christ, and gives 40 historians who he says do not mention Christ.
Josephus does mention Jesus Christ.
So does Pliny the Younger and
Tacitus, and I think
Tiberius does too.
]


You obviously have a broad understanding of the subject and i respect that and i am certainly not advocating that every part of the film is bang on correct, as there is always abit debate over who is right and what happened with something so historical as religion.

One thing i would point about what you said, is that from my limited readings, regarding Josephus, is that Jospehus (Arius Piso under a pseudonym) and Pliny the Younger are laregly responsible for having actually produced the Gospel writings personally and set about creating a new faith and to cut along story short, the Roman Empire later adopted this around 320AD under Constantine who saw politcal advantage in doing so.

It would also appear that Pliny the Younger was married to Jospehus Grand daughter and Jospehus Grandson Antonius was to become a Roman Emperor, therefore positioned to role out the ideas of a prison religion. My reading also suggest that Jesus was an amalgamation of different characters based on pagan gods, old testament characters and Joseph. Interestingly the name Piso is supposed to translate in Hebrew into the spelling of Jospeh in Hebrew. My readings also state that Jospehus/Piso and Pliny's official writings did not infact mention Jesus until the were later doctered at the time everyone would have known it was a fraud as not enough time had elapsed since the supposed time of christ and the writings. You won't be suprised to know that Josephus/Piso and Constantine are supposed to be of the same bloodline again according to my readings.

Just to be fair to you so that you can know my source it is from a David Icke book so it's unlikely that you will agree with it but his is largely referenced against Abelard Reuchlin (The True Authorship of the New Testament 1979). Icke's books do go pretty far out as i am sure most are aware but i can sympathise with alot of things he says and i do see him as someone who come across as likeable and with good intentions. His books are also a very good read.

Personally i don't know what to believe, it seems that people generally write things to suit there beliefs and i have a good friend who is VERY christian who ridicules my beliefs and will not listen to the idea of a 9/11 conspiracy. Funnilly enough though they believe that anti-christ is pursuing an agenda for a cashless society and a microchip in every person or the mark of the best and so the end result is pretty much the same anyway. Then apparently we are all to be judged.

I don't know about you but when you hear religious people spouting the same stuff as so called conspiracy theorists you tend to ask well whose version makes more sense - for me religion ignores everything it doesn't like. Those of us here can see the people and the tools that are used to perpetrate these things ie war, religion, politics and of course the media and when most religious people i know cannot see this and don't want to see this, the idea of a prison religion becomes more believable.

My religious friend even claimed that the biable has a section on some guy who go nuts cos he asking to many questions and looking at conspiracies and eventually he becomes ridiculed and ostracised. I don't know if you can corroborate this.



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[ian neal]

[Disco_Destroyer]

[Light Infantree]

[Light Infantree]

[Cruise4]

Hi Guys... I must make it clear these are not my words. I found them on another site and in the interests of fairness and debate posted them here. I think Zeitgeist is a great little film, but everything should be scrutinised from all angles or we open ourselves up to the possibility of falling into the same old trap of mis-information.

The amount of information we are having to process is frankly overwhelming. To me its like finding out almost everything you thought you knew is a lie and history has to be gone through again with a fine tooth comb. Even though there may be minor discrepencies along the way the overall picture is, I believe, becoming clearer and the situation we face today as regards the New World Order Agenda is certain.

Whilst Religion may be a false construct, some good people are nevertheless full on believers and I do not wish to go out of my way to alienate likely allies. On the other hand nor do I wish to encourage them to blindly believe everything they have been told.

[Stuart]

Thats a worthy comment and i would have to agree with you and also agree that the volume of information is overwhelming. You can't know everything about everything and when have a conversation with someone who is not versed or is very shocked by what your saying, they cannot understand this.

[kbo234]

[Cruise4]

I refuse to be drawn in

[ian neal]

Very wise.

Live and let live.

[kbo234]

[alwun]

There were three parts to this presentation.
Parts two and three were well presented and of course also open to be corroborated or criticised from an informed point of view.
I can say that part two - the 911 atrocity 'myth' - an excellent portrayal, seemed to follow on rather well from part one, and that part three was for me, extremely informative.
I very much enjoyed the story of the unfortunate(as it turned out) pagans' myths and observations being usurped by a bunch of chancers with diabolical intent.
And here's the rub. There can by definition be actually no corroboration and henceforth, as we say, no informed point of view on such matters as 'eternal life' or even perhaps 'the raising of the dead' or a 'virgin birth'. As far as I know none of that happened much round where I grew up.
Never mind - the more miracles, the merrier, I say. At least no-one gets crucified in the pagan one.

And so, in spite of the 'virgin birth' and other howlers, I'm with the pagans.

cheers Al..

[truthseeker john]

[Tim for Zeitgeist]

Nice blog you have here. Great to see how you folks have found the truth with Zeitgeist. I am probably the one who got most of you to see it after my posting on Craigslist. this revolution needs to spread to you folks on the continent also. See my postings at
http://p071.ezboard.com/Discuss-Zeitgeist/fdrumsofwar86845frm11
Read This is how I see this revolution...It gives you the direction this needs to go.
Keep up the good work and blow it out everywhere. We are winning with over 52 million views worldwide. Google is lying!
See the post below for further instructions.
The Revolution is Now!
Tim for Zeitgeist


If Zeitgeist doesn’t get you off your ass Sept 15 this will!
Pass it on!
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This is an excellent companion to Zeitgeist and verifies what Zeitgeist says.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936&q=money+Ch angers&total=155&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1
This will curdle your set! See at least the last half so you get a perspective on today but see the whole thing so you know like me just how long they have been doing this. The churches are money lenders you know from Zeitgeist and these are their minions! See the connection?
This must reach everyone!
We need to especially cover the East, Midwest ,and South with this information! Those people are the ones who will most easily be able to go to DC. We need them to especially see the truth. Also we need to change plans for mass demonstrations in home cities and must concentrate our efforts on Washington. Together we succeed and divided we all fall. Don't let them keep us divided
Zeitgeist isn't meant to make everyone happy, that isn't its purpose! Without the religious background you won’t know just who started the whole thing and who has been stealing us all blind all these years and giving little in return. Just why do we have to pay for these preachers and priests? It is time to turn them into helping institutions and not the spiritual conformity teaching institutions we now see. Instead all will convert to helping save this world and teaching people how to break away from their own teachings and see the world and our relation with the universe. They and the money lenders will all change to non profits and the world’s safety net.
Think of it no new taxes and everything taken care of by the Elitists.
It is a wakeup call perhaps for the last time for mankind. This Revolution is of the most damning information ever released getting to the most people possible with the best tool ever made to accomplish this. This is a revolution for the masses done in complete safety for all. All you do is see the movie and understand it and then tell your friends. You then have something in your hands to use to put pressure on them.
I take the template, lightly, of the Magna Carte as what we the people of the world need to a sway the power of these moneychangers these Masons of old that I have found a very long history of indeed. See the historical references of this and much, much more here; http://s8int.com/giants9.html

Google anomalous artifacts and ancient anomalies and read away. The History has also been changed.
I believe it will take something of this magnitude in order to secure the final freedom of mankind to be as an equal to every other sentient being on this planet and as such to be Respected by all others.
I don't know the exopolitics of it but I am sure there are those who do and could lend a major hand to obtain freedom for their children and themselves also.
I would be interested in seeing someone in the know weighing in on this.
Their have been over 50 million views of Zeitgeist. We need to get these 50 million to Washington on Sept. 15th.
In view of the plans for a large military presence being deployed it is clear to me they are taking a last stand attitude. They are expecting the Custer thing all over again.
If that is what they expect then I say why don't we give it to them?
Instead of shooting them we will overwhelm with sheer numbers.
Understand folks, we have them on the ropes. We the people who know the truth are the most powerful weapon for change ever in history. This will probably be the last chance we will have for freedom, for a very long time. After Sept. expect the most comprehensive crackdown on dissidents ever to happen. Everyone will be affected.
If we don't take this opportunity to demand the resignation of the administration and for good measure put the 3 branches of government on notice to shape up or ship out IT IS LOST. When Nancy Pelosi takes over we will have to put as much pressure on to demand she restore all freedoms and rights and cancel the Patriot Act immediately and bring our military children home from around the world. We now have this Black Water Army to contend with and we need our military to protect us from them.
We must also demand the destruction of the Central Banking System and conversion to that of a non profit for the world. They have stolen our money and made us slaves for 10 of thousands or more years so they get the tab to fix things. I believe this is to be their ultimate purpose to mankind.
WE DON'T HAVE TIME FOR IMPEACHMENT WE MUST DEMAND RESIGNATION.
This military deployment in DC is with some of the most sophisticated anti personnel devises ever made. They immobilize with microwave transmitters and high frequency sound devices to disable protesters. Apparently they also deploy lasers as a blinding weapon. The Israelis used them lately in Lebanon according to reports.
These are the weapons they will deploy. We must be prepared for this.
The only viable weapon we have is millions of people converging on Washington as they did in Spain after the bombings. They changed the results of the election almost overnight.
This may be our last chance. We dare not fail!
We need at least 20 million people to converge on Washington to make them think twice about pulling something. Now far too many people know just what has been going on and know where to look for it. They must be made so scared to come against us they will have no choice but to attack and lose or give up and join us.
It happened in Russia, Spain, Romania, The Ukraine etc.........
It happened there and it can happen here. Freedom is at hand if we grasp it.
Check my thoughts at http://p071.ezboard.com/Discuss-Zeitgeist/fdrumsofwar86845frm11
and listen for me at www.jefffarias.com/ .

Guess what!
I caught The Veteran Truth seeker in a lie the other night on his show. When I asked him what he meant he tried to goad me. I stayed calm and he hung up on me! The next caller felt his wrath and brother(?) Michael tore him apart like a bully! He them further compounded his stupidity the next night by lambasting the caller at an e-mail he sent asking why he blew up.
Michael Malloy needs to hang it up. He has been a gatekeeper for years for the Elitists in denying their existence time and again. Was he really on our side or just his own? I will never listen to him again. Catch Aug. 30th and 31st at The White Rose society. http://whiterosesociety.org/Malloy.html
Except for Jeff Farias we have no voice on the corporate air. We have only ourselves to trust now.www.jefffarias.com/
The Revolution is Now!
Tim for Zeitgeist
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5547481422995115331

[acrobat74]

In the interest of fairness and accuracy, we should point out that the JFK speech that is used as prelude for part III in the movie ('the men behind the curtain') is taken out of context.

JFK refers to the Soviet threat during the Cold War, and not to secret societies.

This is sophisticated disinfo. Which makes you wonder about the overall intentions of the producer of the film.

Audio of the speech here:
http://www.infowars.com/articles/nwo/jfk_secret_society_speech.htm

Quite telling how infowars insists the speech is on secret societies, when it clearly is not.

Transcript of his speech here:
http://www.millercenter.virginia.edu/scripps/digitalarchive/speeches/s pe_1961_0427_kennedy

[rodin]

Something this well produced has to have the hand of the Hollywood tribe behind it. I noticed Christianity was selected for religious assassination.

[Mick Meaney]

During correspondence with the maker of this film I strongly felt that he is not working on our side, not to mention the dozens of errors the film contains, which only a handful of is recognised by the maker.

[blackbear]

The following may be of interest:

Movie "Zeitgeist": Illuminati Critique or Psy-Op?

by Henry Makow Ph.D. – September 15, 2007

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=7195

[blackcat]

[Disco_Destroyer]

Christianity or more-so the leaders have allot to answer for! That is all!

[ian neal]

I have still yet to find the time to watch this, but anyone who is London based and intrigued, here is your chance to watch it

A long time activist who holds regular film screenings on progressive politics/cover-ups will be screening Zeitgeist tomorrow (Tuesday evening) at the Bread and Roses Clapham SW4

http://www.breadandrosespub.com/page4.html

He is looking for soemone who is an active 9/11 campaigner to say a few words (5 mins max) on why they campaign for 9/11 truth as a kick start to a general discussion.

PM/email me if you plan to go and can say a few words

Thanks

[kbo234]

Blackbear's link is really worth a read IMO.


Movie "Zeitgeist": Illuminati Critique or Psy-Op?
by Henry Makow Ph.D. – September 15, 2007

Throughout history, paganism and true religion have struggled for the soul of mankind. This age-old battle is drawing to a close with a magnificent victory for paganism.

For the naïve populace, this collective death march is masked as "secular humanism," and "modernism."

It is directed and financed by Illuminati central bankers, who are the leaders of cabalistic secret societies associated with Freemasonry and Communism. (see "Rothschilds Conduct Red Symphony")

They wish to redefine reality so that the human race will serve them instead of God. This is the essence of the "New World Order."

In this perspective, it is hard to decipher the movie "Zeitgeist" which has received wide exposure on the Internet reaching beyond the conspiracy-conscious.

The film is divided into three parts.

Parts II and III are generally excellent exposures of the Illuminati-controlled banking system and the Illuminati-instigated 9-11 attacks. The film shows how the latter provided the excuse for fascism and how the Illuminati intend to enslave us.

The puzzle is Part I: a vicious, gratuitous attack on Christianity comparing it to the frauds of 9-11 and the Federal Reserve. The film argues that Christ was created in the mold of numerous pagan sun gods that predate him, and the historical Christ never actually existed.

Citing Achaya S, Rimpoche and John Lennon, "Zeitgeist" intones a New Age mantra: "Religion divorces man from nature. It is slavery. Religious myths are used to control and manipulate society."

This is essentially the pagan message. Since they want God's job, the Illuminati's primary purpose has always been to destroy Christianity. Another recent psy-op is Mother Teresa's confession (in letters) that she had grave doubts about her faith for most of her life. This story was front-page news in the Illuminati Zionist press where the Catholic Church is always fair game.

Is "Zeitgeist" also a psy-op? Why not hide an Illuminati message in an excellent anti-Illuminati documentary? After all, the 9-11 and Fed information is already out there. What better way to turn the young generation against religion?

I don’t think this is deliberate on the part of the filmmakers. The Illuminati generally fund people who already are unwitting agents of their agenda.

More interesting to me is why so many smart people have such a problem with Christ's teachings. Why does the Gospel of Brotherly Love arouse so much hate?

Yes the church has been subverted and has discredited Christ. But surely we can separate Christ's teachings from the people who fail to represent them.

RELIGION

Christ's teachings give the lie to Zeitgeist's claim that he is another pagan symbol. Unlike Christ, Horus et al did not express the Spirit of God.

Millions of people experience the Sprit of God directly. They can confirm that Christ indeed is a messenger of God. I am a (non observant) Jew and do not belong to any Christian church but even I can see this. So can Muslims and Hindus who also honor Christ.

Before I talk about Christ's teachings, I want to speak about religion in general. Try not to zone out as you've been programmed to do.

True religion differs from paganism in that it is essentially moral in character. It is concerned with what is true and good. It worships (serves) God; not nature, not the sun. It is basically a spiritual discipline designed to attune us to the Creator's presence and will. By necessity, it is otherworldly, i.e. it rejects the priorities of this world, mainly power, money and sex.

Instead it teaches us to aspire to spiritual ideals such as truth, justice, peace, love and beauty as the ultimate reality. Love of God makes us seek these ideals.We know God when they are self-evident to us.

(The popular image of God – a Santa Claus who watches over us and answers our prayers – is the straw man atheists create. How easy to reject such a juvenile concept.)

Whether we are atheists or not, we cannot escape God. God is NOT nature. God is a moral dimension. Everything we do, everything that happens to us, falls along a spectrum of good to evil. We can't escape that. In fact, we are always striving for some kind of ersatz "good" (usually leading to some very real evil.)

We were put on earth to do God's will, i.e. discern and implement what is genuinely Good. If we don't, we bear the consequences and have only ourselves to blame.

We have no trouble recognizing when we are hungry. Our stomach tells us. But when we are despondent, we cannot seem to trace the problem back to our soul because we're not supposed to have a soul.

The soul is as real as the stomach and the proof is that our hunger for purpose, harmony and meaning is just as great, and much more durable than our hunger for pizza.

Spiritual hunger is what defines us as "human." Without spiritual ideals, we are little more than animals. That is what the Illuminati want, so they can enslave and destroy us.

When a culture no longer fosters a free discussion of what is true and good; when there is no longer a consensus and desire to achieve these ideals; it is marked for extinction.

CHRIST'S TEACHING

"Zeitgeist" says that Horus and numerous other Sun Gods were born on Dec. 25, died on a cross, had 12 disciples, rose after three days etc. etc.

Did they also teach us to love our neighbor, that God is Love, that all men are brothers, and to treat others as you would have them treat you? Did they teach:

"No man can serve two masters...Ye cannot serve God and Mammon." (Matt 5:24)

"Be ye therefore perfect as your Father who art in heaven is perfect." (Matt 5: 4

"God is a Spirit and we must worship Him in spirit and in truth." (John 4:24)

"Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.." (Matt 5:44)

Did they teach worldly denial and escape from the prison of the ego?

"For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for My sake shall find it. For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?" (Matt 16:27)

CONCLUSION

"Zeitgeist" seems to disguise an essentially pagan New Age message in a credible attack on the Illuminati. While decrying two Illuminati frauds, it is perpetuating a third one. Along with religion, it also assails nation and race in passing, 3 out of the 4 on the Illuminati hate-list. (No mention of family.)

Just because we reject the juvenile concept of God, we still have souls that intuit immanent Truth and Purpose. Hopefully viewers of "Zeitgeist" will recognize that faith in God answers a very real spiritual hunger.

"Seek and ye shall find."

[Dogsmilk]

[blackcat]

Well what a surprise!!!! Dogsmilk comes to the defense of any suggestion that JFK could have been meaning other than what he actually said.

You can keep telling me and anyone else that the emperor's clothes are beautiful but when it is blatant that he is naked then that is what I will see. I suspect others will reach the same conclusion. Your selective responses to posts on this forum are very revealing and your apparent and occasional "criticism" of Israel and your equally "fair" defence of Islam does not wash. You are an apologist for the disgusting racist state of Israel and your specious posts do not fool me for a second.

JFK was warning us about the existence of a secret powerful force that was attempting to control US politics and he meant Zionism NOT Russia. Mores the pity that they murdered him before he could defend the west against their insidious threat, and people like you Dogsmilk will have to be beaten before we can have our democracies restored.

[Dogsmilk]

Oooooo-kaaaaay. So this JFK speech is now about Zionism?! To whose 'defence' I'm leaping?! Listen m'dear, you think whatever you like. And if you want to twist plain English to fit a preconceived worldview, that's your business. But let me get this straight - first you're determined to assert the speech really is about secret societies, now you randomly claim he's talking about Zionism?! You see, it hadn't entered my head I might be defending Israel because - and stick with me here - the fact Israel or Zionism weren't mentioned in any way shape or form constitutes a possible indicator the speech just might not be about Israel or Zionism.
Except in your head.
Which - amazingly - means I hadn't even considered this article was in any way related to Zionism. Not only is my reading comprehension apparently askew, I missed these blatant references to Zionists! I hope his audience at the time were more perceptive!
You'd kind of think JFK would sort of say if he was worried about Zionism. I always thought if a US president mentioned the cold war in a speech he was alluding to the USSR when really the cold war was waged against secret Zionist plotters. Silly me.

Here's a brain teaser for you - point to any passage in the speech that refers to the US media/politics being controlled by a 'secret society'.

[acrobat74]