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http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2009/20090304130950.aspx

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Media Myth: Networks Stick to Warming Theme Despite Avalanche of Chilling News

Alarmists get snowed in for Washington, D.C. rally; networks mostly ignore signs of cooling temps, 'record' cold.

By Julia A. Seymour, Business & Media Institute, 3/4/2009 1:19:10 PM

Temperatures have plummeted to record or near-record lows in 32 states this winter. On March 2, a global warming protest in Washington, D.C. was buried by nearly a foot of snow. And a new study warns that the Earth could be in for a 30-year cooling trend. Reality is not cooperating with the network news’ global warming theme, yet reporters are unwilling to even discuss the possibility that the Earth is cooling.



Global warming alarmists repeatedly link weather phenomena like tornadoes, hurricanes, ice melt, droughts and wildfires with global warming and the media embrace the stories. Yet, when cities or regions are buried in snow like the city of Chenzhou, China was in February 2008 there wasn’t a word about climate change in the cooling direction.



“It is being called China’s Hurricane Katrina,” NBC anchor Brian Williams said on Feb. 4, 2008. “… the month of blizzards that have brought it [China] to a virtual standstill. Millions have been stranded. Hundreds of thousands of people are homeless.” Williams didn’t chalk up the devastation to global cooling, of course. That doesn’t fit the media’s warming narrative.



James Hansen, a leading global warming alarmist, promoted a “civil disobedience” protest at a Washington, D.C. coal power plant March 2. The protestors claim that coal – and its carbon emissions are a cause of global warming. Hansen and his friends were greeted with 8 inches of snow, “strong” winds and below freezing temperatures.



The same day, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and the House Select Energy Independence and Global Warming Chairman Edward Markey, D-Mass., both had to cancel appearances at another global warming event on Capitol Hill because of the snowy weather.



Those protests did not make the evening news programs on March 2. They may have been crowded out by coverage of the “epic” winter storm on all three networks – still there wasn’t a single mention of a cooling cycle.



ABC, CBS and NBC haven’t used the phrase “global cooling” at all since Jan. 1, 2008, despite many instances of “record cold,” “record snow” and reports from scientists that the world has been cooling off slightly since 2000 or 2001, according to a Nexis search.



The term, “cooling trend,” when used on the networks only referred to global climate twice. In both cases the phrase was used by Gov. Sarah Palin. A search for “cooling” and “climate” turned up 10 mentions, but only one example of the media reporting cooler temperatures.



Compare those figures to a Nexis search for “global warming” that yielded 336 hits between Jan. 1, 2008 and March 2, 2009. A search for “global warming” or “climate change” nabbed 571 hits during the same time.

Even in the midst of a major cold spell, ABC returned to the global warming stories. On March 3, 2009, the network continued to hype the idea that the North Pole will soon be ice-free, but ignored the fact that as of fall 2008 arctic ice caps had grown by 150,000 square miles.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2009/03/03/abc-skips-oppos ing-views-continues-fret-about-no-ice-north-pole

Lows Can’t Get Us Down

Even record low temperatures, record snowfalls and snow in odd places didn’t stop the network media from worrying about the threat of global warming.



On Feb. 12, 2008, “Good Morning America” said that 32 states were experiencing record lows or nearly record lows. Las Vegas and Texas both had snow in December 2008, and in November 2008 North Carolina and Georgia were facing January temperatures.



Still, the networks remained virtually silent on the possibility of global cooling, and even kept up the drumbeat of global warming stories.



ABC’s weather editor Sam Champion was the only person on three networks who mentioned a NASA report which said 2008 was the coldest year since 2000. But he was cautious:



“It feels like the coldest winter in years. And a report from NASA climate scientists says 2008 was the coolest year since 2000,” Champion told “Good Morning America” viewers on Jan. 15. “But they caution this was caused in part by a cooling La Nina in the Pacific and warn global warming is still playing an important part in our changing climate.”



On Inauguration Day 2009, as Washington, D.C. collectively shivered from the 28 degree temperature, plus a wind chill that made it feel like 18 degrees outside, NBC historian Michael Beschloss brought up the specter of “global warming.”



Beschloss was discussing the inaugural parade and as the camera turned to President Barack Obama, First Lady Michelle Obama and their two children walking to the reviewing box, he described the scene: “And this wooden path that they’re walking down actually dates to many previous inaugurations because a lot of them had snow. It may just be that because of global warming the last few have not.” (Emphasis added)





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The fact is a number of studies and scientists have warned that the Earth might be in a cooling phase – despite the networks silence on the matter.



Meteorologist Joseph D’Aleo, the executive director of International Climate and Environmental Change Assessment Project (ICECAP), recently “quibbled” with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s (NOAA) data since 1880 which shows a spike in mean temperature.



D’Aleo told CNN anchor Lou Dobbs, “[I]f you look at the satellite data, which is the most reliable data, the best coverage of the globe – 2008 was the 14th coldest in 30 years. That doesn’t jibe with the tenth warmest in 159 years in the Hadley data set or 113 or 114 years in the NOAA set.”



Discovery News announced on March 2 that a new study from Geophysical Research Letters suggests “global warming may have hit a speed bump and could go into hiding for decades.”

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/03/02/global-warming-pause-print.ht ml

Kyle Swanson of the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee thinks the cooling trend could last up to 30 years, but cautioned that it would be a “hiccup” in the warming of the Earth according to Discovery News. “When the climate kicks back out of this state, we’ll have explosive warming.”



Atmospheric scientist William Gray has also said temperatures are dropping. Gray cited a “weak cooling trend since 2001,” according to the Feb. 16 Barron’s, and he predicted a “modest naturally driven global cooling over the next 15-20 years,” similar to the 1940s to ‘70s.

http://online.barrons.com/article/SB123456983332686245.html?mod=google news_barrons

Back in February 2008, Fox News anchor Brit Hume reported that “all four major global temperature tracking outlets have released data showing that temperatures have dropped significantly over the last year.”



“California meteorologist Anthony Watts says the amount of cooling ranges from 65-hundredths of a degree Centigrade to 75-hundreds of a degree,” Hume continued. “That is said to be a value large enough to erase nearly all the global warming recorded over the past 100 years. It is reportedly the single fastest temperature change ever recorded – up or down.”

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,333328,00.html



Clamming up for Cap-and-Trade



Despite the findings of scientists like D’Aleo, Swanson, Gray and Watts, the media ignore the possibility of a cooling trend just as government is poised to implement a green agenda.



Politicians in Washington stand ready to solve the “global warming” crisis by hiking energy prices with a cap-and-trade plan and further damaging a battered economy. President Obama himself called for a cap-and-trade program in his not-quite a State of the Union address Feb. 25.



Obama said, “To truly transform our economy, to protect our security, and save our planet from the ravages of climate change, we need to ultimately make clean, renewable energy the profitable kind of energy. So I ask this Congress to send me legislation that places a market-based cap on carbon pollution and drives the production of more renewable energy in America. That's what we need.”



The president’s budget plan released Feb. 26 even counted on the implementation of cap-and-trade to pay for his “Making Work Pay” tax credit, according to the Washington Post.



A cap-and-trade proposal like Obama’s would come with tremendous costs and not only to taxpayers. Duke Energy Corp.’s CEO James Rogers told Bloomberg.com that Obama’s plan would “increase electricity bills by as much as 40 percent in some U.S. states.” Rogers is actually a proponent of cap-and-trade, but cited flaws in the president’s plan which he termed “cap and tax” instead of “cap and trade.”



The Wall Street Journal’s eco-blog, “Environmental Capital,” said that a previous cap-and-trade plan – Lieberman-Warner – could cost between “0.5% of GDP and about 2% of GDP by 2030.” Obama’s plan would also have a huge cost. According to U.S. News & World Report’s James Pethokoukis Obama’s plan would be a “de facto business tax” of roughly 20 percent on top of corporate tax rates – which are already the second highest in the world.



Iain Murray, Director of Projects and Analysis and a Senior Fellow for the Competitive Enterprise Institute, wrote about the consequences of global warming alarmism on CEI’s Open Market blog March 2.



Murray mentioned a Johns Hopkins study that found “replacing ¾ of coal-based energy with higher priced energy would lead to 150,000 extra premature deaths annually in the US alone.” He also cited a Congressional Budget Office report that found a cap-and-trade system would harm the poorest 20 percent of Americans while benefiting the wealthiest, and a Penn State study that found replacing coal power would cost 3-4 million jobs.





A Climate of Media Bias on Warming



It’s no surprise that network journalists gave cooling claims the cold shoulder in 2008 and into 2009. After all, these are the same networks that continually shut out debate on the global warming.



In 2007, the Business & Media Institute looked at news media coverage of climate change and found alarmism stretching back 100 years. BMI’s Special Report: Fire & Ice exposed the media’s warnings about impending climate doom during four different times in the last century switching from worries over global cooling to warming to cooling to warming again.



Atmospheric physicist Dr. S. Fred Singer does not think cooling or warming cycles are something to worry about. In a 2000 PBS interview Singer said, “Climate change is a natural phenomenon. Climate keeps changing all the time. The fact that climate changes is not in itself a threat, because, obviously, in the past human beings have adapted to all kinds of climate changes.”



In 2007, Singer directly addressed global warming, saying, “The current warming trend is simply part of a natural cycle of climate warming and cooling that has been seen in ice cores, deep-sea sediments, stalagmites, etc., and published in hundreds of papers in peer-reviewed journals.”



BMI examined the climate change issue again in 2008 with its Special Report, Global Warming Censored, and found that the three networks had silenced the debate over global warming by favoring experts on one side of the issue. Global warming proponents overwhelmingly outnumbered those with dissenting opinions by 13-to-1. On CBS the radio was an abysmal 38-to-1.

http://www.businessandmedia.org/specialreports/2008/GlobalWarmingCenso red/GlobalWarmingCensored_execsum.asp


Many of the scientists shut out by the network media will gather in New York City March 8-10, 2009 for the second International Conference on Climate Change, sponsored by the Heartland Institute.

http://www.heartland.org/events/NewYork09/newyork09.html


The conference Web site describes the event as the “world’s largest-ever gathering of global warming skeptics” with about “800 scientists, economists, legislators, policy activists, and media representatives” expected.

http://www.heartland.org/events/NewYork09/PDFs/NationalReviewAd.pdf


Some of the headlining speakers will be Vaclav Klaus, president of the Czech Republic and the European Union; astronaut and geologist Dr. Jack Schmitt; William Gray, famed hurricane forecaster and atmospheric scientist; Richard Lindzen, meteorology expert from MIT; Willie Soon, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics; and Roy Spencer, a NASA research scientist.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.heartland.org/events/NewYork09/newyork09.html

Just look at their fiendish faces!! Obviously drooling at the thought of another baby screaming in agony as they tuck in!!

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The world’s largest-ever gathering of global warming skeptics will assemble Sunday in New York City to confront the issue, “Global warming: Was it ever really a crisis?”

The complete program for the 2009 International Conference on Climate Change, including cosponsor information and brief biographies of all speakers, can be downloaded in Adobe's PDF format here.

About 800 scientists, economists, legislators, policy activists, and media representatives are expected to register at the second International Conference on Climate Change, opening Sunday, March 8 and concluding Tuesday, March 10 at the New York Marriott Marquis Hotel.

Produced by The Heartland Institute and 57 co-sponsoring organizations, the conference is devoted to answering questions overlooked by the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. That panel concluded global temperatures may already have reached crisis proportions, and that human activity was a key driver in raising temperatures, primarily because of the release of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.

But the 80 experts scheduled to speak at the Heartland conference say they will present a substantially different viewpoint.

“The number of people registered for this event is nearly twice as many as attended the 2008 conference,” noted Heartland President Joseph Bast. “And the presenters at this year’s conference are the elite in the world among climate scientists. We will be delighted to demonstrate once again the breadth and high quality of support that the skeptical perspective on climate change enjoys.”

Headliners among the 70-plus presenters will be:

* Vaclav Klaus, president of the Czech Republic and of the European Union. At the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, he declared, “Environmentalism and the global warming alarmism is challenging our freedom. I’m afraid that the current crisis will be misused for radically constraining the functioning of the markets and market economy all around the world.”

* American astronaut Dr. Jack Schmitt--the last living man to walk on the moon--a geologist Ph.D. who has contended he has seen “too many of [my] colleagues lose grant funding when they haven’t gone along with the so-called political consensus that we’re in a human-caused global warming.”

* William Gray, Colorado State University, who claims global warming alarmists have hijacked the American Meteorological Society.

* Richard Lindzen, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, one of the world’s leading experts in dynamic meteorology, especially planetary waves.

* Stephen McIntyre, primary author of Climate Audit, a blog devoted to the analysis and discussion of climate data. He is a devastating critic of the temperature record of the past 1,000 years, particularly the work of Michael E. Mann, creator of the infamous “hockey stick” graph. That graph--thoroughly discredited in scientific circles--supposedly proved that mankind is responsible for a sharp increase in greenhouse gases.

* Arthur Robinson, curator of a global warming petition signed by more than 32,000 American scientists, including more than 10,000 with doctorate degrees, rejecting the alarmist assertion that global warming has put the Earth in crisis and is caused primarily by mankind.

* Willie Soon, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics.

* Roy Spencer, University of Alabama at Huntsville, principal research scientist and team leader on NASA’s Aqua satellite.

* Don Easterbrook, professor of geology at Western Washington University in Bellingham, Washington, who will present new data showing “the most recent global warming that began in 1977 is over, and the Earth has entered a new phase of global cooling.”

The Heartland Institute, a 25-year-old national nonpartisan think-tank based in Chicago, said all of the event’s expenses will be covered by admission fees and individual and foundation donors to Heartland. No corporate dollars or sponsorships earmarked for the event were solicited or accepted.

Co-sponsors do not pay any fee or donation to Heartland to be a co-sponsor. Heartland hasn’t received funding from either the Koch or Scaife foundations in at least a decade.

Click here http://www.heartland.org/NewYork08/proceedings.html for the full proceedings of the 2008 International Conference on Climate Change -- including audio and video for more than 100 speakers.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Presumably you didn't quite grasp it the first time around, so I'll repeat this again:

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"Climatologists at the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York City have found that 2008 was the coolest year since 2000. The GISS analysis also showed that 2008 is the ninth warmest year since continuous instrumental records were started in 1880. The ten warmest years on record have all occurred between 1997 and 2008."

(It) must do your head in. And will continue to do so until you can bring yourself to comprehend the concept of trends in data over time, rather than at single points.


Now have you got any actual data - not half witted articles and less witted rhetoric - that says different?

Of course you don't - or you wouldn't be relying on the weak and witless devices just mentioned.

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It is unreasonable to expect someone who sees through the scam to provide data. It is the function of those who assert there is such a thing as man-made climate change to provide proof of their ridiculous assertion and their data clearly does no such thing. Add to that the blatant lies which have been exposed and the silly moving of the goalposts to accommodate those rebuttals, such as changing "Global Warming" to "Climate Change" to explain that man's activities could make places colder as well as others warmer, or declaring the false connection between CO2 and the heating effect as now something that just makes things worse about a thousand years later. We are being governed by a murderous pack of psychotic monsters who control the mainstream media and make them say anything they want, but you expect they do not have similar sway over scientists in their employ, who's "data" we should believe unquestioningly, much of which have been exposed as lies anyway, and all of which you casually disregard just as any religious zealot makes his "belief" fit what he wants to believe. Hilarious!
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In 1934, USMC General Smedley Butler spilled the beans on the plotters (including the Bush family) and foiled the coup that would have resulted in a fascist takeover of the USA. In his 1935 book "War is a Racket", he said:

"I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.

I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in.

I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903.

In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. "

When are you finally going to twig that all the imbecilic "talking points" that you keep spamming and clearly don't understand are put out by those very same Corporates for the very same reasons?

Have you never heard the phrase "useful idiots"?

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When are you finally going to twig that all the imbecilic "talking points" that you keep spamming and clearly don't understand are put out by those very same Corporates for the very same reasons?

I am fully aware of all the points you mention in your last post as I am also aware that 9/11 was an inside job and that there are many evil people in positions of power. What you fail to "twig" is the same monsters are spouting a pile of garbage about man's activities about to bring civilization down unless we let them sort it for us. It is their invented global problem requiring a global solution hence requiring a world government to go with carbon taxation run by the same evil banksters who are busy creating havoc worldwide right at the moment. Your position on this scam is similar to that of a "no-planer" in the 9/11 truth movement. Absurd comment and inane speculation wrapped in emotional rhetoric and "backed" with spurious data delivered by the very same people you claim to have rumbled. I will continue to post informative articles by the "sceptics" so that lurkers can have another point of view to consider - they certainly won't get much from the mainstream media - you know, the one that the evil Corporations control but somehow refrain from airing sceptical viewpoints. So much so that people who hold such views get dropped like hot potatoes. Very cunning these evil Corporations, but only a few people are like you Chek, with the ability to see through their convulated reasoning.
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Apart from the frothing, standard conspiracy rant that seems unfortunately to be a common feature of 911 sites (which lest we forget are about exposing the truth of 911 and bringing about actual political change - not to provide talking shops for common or garden paranoids), you make a single assertion which is fatally wrong and illuminates your entire viewpoint.
Which is that it's not an invented problem, and there is sound, verifiable evidence for it that all your ill-informed huffing and puffing does not negate.

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It is their invented global problem requiring a global solution


"Over the last 150 years, carbon dioxide (CO2) concentrations have risen from 280 to nearly 380 parts per million (ppm)."
Chapter 3 of the IPCC report.

(Although it's now hovering about the low-to-mid-400's according to recent readings since that was published.)

"Another, quite independent way that we know that fossil fuel burning and land clearing specifically are responsible for the increase in CO2 in the last 150 years is through the measurement of carbon isotopes."

A 1000-year high precision record of d13Cin atmospheric CO2. Tellus 51B, 170–193. Francey, R.J., Allison, C.E., Etheridge, D.M., Trudinger, C.M., Enting, I.G., Leuenberger, M., Langenfelds, R.L., Michel, E., Steele, L.P

And I'm sure any of the lurkers you are concerned about will be quite aware by now of the value of your self-exposed confused view and your compromised and tainted industry sources (as less than an hour's research into any of your quotes will show).

By all means resist the NWO agenda as you see it, but by choosing the global warming .... er, sorry ... climate change denial camp on this issue, you're all too obviously favouring their game.

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Global Problem, Global Solution.
Now where have I heard that before?

Am I the only one that sees the Climate Change 'science' as a possible end result of a process which began with Victor Rothschild and Margaret Thatcher's vandalism of the British Coal Industry?
Breaking the Trades Union movement and shifting policy to de-manned military research spin-offs to generate electricity.
I don't think there's an independent scientist in the UK any more either. They all rely on industry interests or Oligarchical Universities for their jobs.

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Global Problem, Global Solution.
Now where have I heard that before?

Am I the only one that sees the Climate Change 'science' as a possible end result of a process which began with Victor Rothschild and Margaret Thatcher's vandalism of the British Coal Industry?
Breaking the Trades Union movement and shifting policy to de-manned military research spin-offs to generate electricity.
I don't think there's an independent scientist in the UK any more either. They all rely on industry interests or Oligarchical Universities for their jobs.


So, to be clear, are you saying you think that the international group of scientists contributing to the IPCC have been bought off and only those brave, independent and often non-scientific souls financed by the energy companies are bold enough to resist the scam and tell the truth?

It's actually very simple: you can either check out the science and come to an informed conclusion, or not bother and ruminate on the General Theory of Conspiracy and see where that gets you. Although that's already been done, if you've been following Item7's train of thought.

It's an individual decision when it comes down to it. One that I might add takes on additional significance where the futures of children and grandchildren are considered.

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Do you remember the scientists who told us that nuclear power would be clean and free?

And all thy stuff about, if you question this you don't care about your children. You do yourself a disservice Chek.
Pass the sick bag.

Don't trust your eyes and ears. Don't trust the lessons of history. Trust the scientists.
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Do you remember the scientists who told us that nuclear power would be clean and free?

And all thy stuff about, if you question this you don't care about your children. You do yourself a disservice Chek.
Pass the sick bag.

Don't trust your eyes and ears. Don't trust the lessons of history. Trust the scientists.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czmVJkhl1wo
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That was the promise of nuclear fusion Tony, which never happened.
It worked for bombs but not for butter. We already know that and we know why.

So why should the traditional media hyped version of jam tomorrow from that era be held against the actual science involved in a completely different subject today?

We got stuck with fission which is filthier than coal to the nth degree.
Science isn't all good. Long term nuclear waste storage in particular, if we're going to include consideration of future generations.

What eyes and ears are you referring to?
The occasional local ones having to put on their mittens for a day or two, or the world's network of sensors telling a story some seem very loathe to hear?

Are you going to argue that CO2 doesn't retain heat, that it isn't presently increasing at a historically dangerous rate and that global (not local) average temperatures aren't rising?

Because if so I'm all ears, really.
And I sincerely hope you can show a better grip on the concept of 'trends' than Item7 displays.

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I tell you what, at least get the first sentence correct.
That's what the scientists promised in the 1970s when many of our present day Fission power stations were commissioned.
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That was the promise of nuclear fusion Tony, which never happened.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I tell you what, at least get the first sentence correct.
That's what the scientists promised in the 1970s when many of our present day Fission power stations were commissioned.


That's incorrect Tony - as you may have surmised by now, I've been around a bit longer than some here.

"Later in 1954, Lewis Strauss, then chairman of the United States Atomic Energy Commission (U.S. AEC, forerunner of the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission and the United States Department of Energy) spoke of electricity in the future being "too cheap to meter."
http://www.cns-snc.ca/media/toocheap/toocheap.html

"Strauss may have been making vague reference to hydrogen fusion - which was secret at the time - rather than uranium fission, but whatever his intent Strauss's statement was interpreted by much of the public as a promise of very cheap energy."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power

Or indeed breeder technology, though we have no way to know now. What we do know is that he didn't mean the then about-to-go-online fission power plants which were as, if not more, expensive than coal plants, even when their dual purpose of providing raw material for weapons was discounted.

None of which concerns the actual thread.

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Are you going to argue that CO2 doesn't retain heat, that it isn't presently increasing at a historically dangerous rate and that global (not local) average temperatures aren't rising?

Because if so I'm all ears, really.
And I sincerely hope you can show a better grip on the concept of 'trends' than Item7 displays.

CO2 is NOT increasing at a historically dangerous rate and has been MUCH higher in the past and does NOT cause any significant increase in temperature but rises as a consequence of rising temperature. Proven FACTS!!! Global average temperatures are FALLING now and have been for several years. FACT! Temperatures rise and fall over time constantly without any need for a man-made explanation. There is ZERO cause for alarm. Stop worshipping at the altar of liar Gore and wake up. To say you are all ears adds to the general hilarity your posts provide since you are so ridiculously "religious" in your refusal to face reality but constantly appeal to emotion like your silly "think of the children" cr@p. Since you raise your "concern" for future generations however, just what do you think a world governed and taxed by the psychos who's lies you swallow is going to be like? My grip on the concept of "trends" is based on research not religious emotion. You ought to try it sometime.


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http://www.globalwarmingisbs.com/images/heston.mp3

Charlton Heston speaks for about three minutes on the "intoxicating vanity" of man's belief he can destroy the Earth.

4.5 billion years of existence and 100 years of data!! Highly questionable "data" from the alarmists at that.
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http://www.globalwarmingisbs.com/html/global_warming_videos.html

Eight videos exposing the scam of "Man-made Climate Change".

1 Al Gore Debates Global Warming

2 John Stossel Dares To Question Global Warming

3 Global Warming - Doomsday Called Off

4 Global warming cartoon

5 Global Warming Scam

6 Scare Tactics

7 Global Warming Hoax

8 The Great Global Warming Swindle
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Our scientists have done it yet again! First they designed and developed our EcoHummer that ran only on old growth forest, and it was a HIT. Now they have taken it one step further and produced our first corporate jet. Yes we could have bought a brand new state-of-the-art corporate jet, but we thought it would be be shame it we didn't do our environmental part. So we opted to retrofit a classic DC-4 to run solely on Polar Bear pelts.

Yes you heard us right, this beautiful piece of technology runs entirely on Polar Bear pelts. We first tried to get it to run on Dolphin chunks and Birkenstock shoes. But you would be surprised at how often those stupid dolphins clogged the air filters. Dolphins are surprisingly very tough to grind, Polar Bears on the other hand are quite easy to shred into little bits. Tough and fierce they may be but introduce them to a wood chipper and they shred up like dry autumn leaves. With their high levels of fat we get an astonishing 25 miles per pelt!

Mother Polar Bears tend to provide us with higher returns on our investment. The reason being that they have much higher levels of fat than their male counterparts. Especially if they have given birth in the previous six months. We don't necessarily go out looking for new Polar Bear mothers, but if we are lucky enough to have one cross our path, well then we can plan another trip to Vegas!
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UN Blowback: More Than 650 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims
December 10, 2008

Posted by Marc Morano – 9:36 AM ET - Marc_Morano@EPW.Senate.GOV

Study: Half of warming due to Sun! –Sea Levels Fail to Rise? - Warming Fears in 'Dustbin of History'

'No evidence for accelerated sea-level rise'

Link to Intro and full report:
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&Conte ntRecord_id=2674e64f-802a-23ad-490b-bd9faf4dcdb7

POZNAN, Poland - The UN global warming conference currently underway in Poland is about to face a serious challenge from over 650 dissenting scientists from around the globe who are criticizing the climate claims made by the UN IPCC and former Vice President Al Gore. Set for release this week, a newly updated U.S. Senate Minority Report features the dissenting voices of over 650 international scientists, many current and former UN IPCC scientists, who have now turned against the UN. The report has added about 250 scientists (and growing) in 2008 to the over 400 scientists who spoke out in 2007. The over 650 dissenting scientists are more than 12 times the number of UN scientists (52) who authored the media hyped IPCC 2007 Summary for Policymakers.

The U.S. Senate report is the latest evidence of the growing groundswell of scientific opposition rising to challenge the UN and Gore. Scientific meetings are now being dominated by a growing number of skeptical scientists. The prestigious International Geological Congress, dubbed the geologists' equivalent of the Olympic Games, was held in Norway in August 2008 and prominently featured the voices and views of scientists skeptical of man-made global warming fears. [See Full report Here: & See: Skeptical scientists overwhelm conference: '2/3 of presenters and question-askers were hostile to, even dismissive of, the UN IPCC' ]

Full Senate Report Set To Be Released in the Next 24 Hours – Stay Tuned…

A hint of what the upcoming report contains:

“I am a skeptic…Global warming has become a new religion.” - Nobel Prize Winner for Physics, Ivar Giaever.

“Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly….As a scientist I remain skeptical.” - Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a PhD in meteorology and formerly of NASA who has authored more than 190 studies and has been called “among the most preeminent scientists of the last 100 years.”

Warming fears are the “worst scientific scandal in the history…When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.” - UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist.

“The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn’t listen to others. It doesn’t have open minds… I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists,” - Indian geologist Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University and a board member of the UN-supported International Year of the Planet.

“The models and forecasts of the UN IPCC "are incorrect because they only are based on mathematical models and presented results at scenarios that do not include, for example, solar activity.” - Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera, a researcher at the Institute of Geophysics of the National Autonomous University of Mexico

“It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don’t buy into anthropogenic global warming.” - U.S Government Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA.

“Even doubling or tripling the amount of carbon dioxide will virtually have little impact, as water vapour and water condensed on particles as clouds dominate the worldwide scene and always will.” – . Geoffrey G. Duffy, a professor in the Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering of the University of Auckland, NZ.

“After reading [UN IPCC chairman] Pachauri's asinine comment [comparing skeptics to] Flat Earthers, it's hard to remain quiet.” - Climate statistician Dr. William M. Briggs, who specializes in the statistics of forecast evaluation, serves on the American Meteorological Society's Probability and Statistics Committee and is an Associate Editor of Monthly Weather Review.

“For how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand that the planet is not warming? For how many years must cooling go on?" - Geologist Dr. David Gee the chairman of the science committee of the 2008 International Geological Congress who has authored 130 plus peer reviewed papers, and is currently at Uppsala University in Sweden.

“Gore prompted me to start delving into the science again and I quickly found myself solidly in the skeptic camp…Climate models can at best be useful for explaining climate changes after the fact.” - Meteorologist Hajo Smit of Holland, who reversed his belief in man-made warming to become a skeptic, is a former member of the Dutch UN IPCC committee.

“Many [scientists] are now searching for a way to back out quietly (from promoting warming fears), without having their professional careers ruined.” - Atmospheric physicist James A. Peden, formerly of the Space Research and Coordination Center in Pittsburgh.

“Creating an ideology pegged to carbon dioxide is a dangerous nonsense…The present alarm on climate change is an instrument of social control, a pretext for major businesses and political battle. It became an ideology, which is concerning.” - Environmental Scientist Professor Delgado Domingos of Portugal, the founder of the Numerical Weather Forecast group, has more than 150 published articles.

“CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another….Every scientist knows this, but it doesn’t pay to say so…Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver’s seat and developing nations walking barefoot.” - Dr. Takeda Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan.

“The [global warming] scaremongering has its justification in the fact that it is something that generates funds.” - Award-winning Paleontologist Dr. Eduardo Tonni, of the Committee for Scientific Research in Buenos Aires and head of the Paleontology Department at the University of La Plata. # #

In addition, the report will feature new peer-reviewed scientific studies and analyses refuting man-made warming fears and a heavy dose of inconvenient climate developments. (See Below: Study: Half of warming due to Sun! –Sea Levels Fail to Rise? - Warming Fears in 'Dustbin of History')

The Senate Minority Report is an update of 2007’s blockbuster U.S. Senate Minority Report of over 400 dissenting scientists. See here: This new report will contain the names, quotes and analyses of literally hundreds of additional international scientists who publicly dissented from man-made climate fears in just 2008 alone. The chorus of scientific voices skeptical grow louder as a steady stream of peer-reviewed studies, analyses and real world data challenge the UN and former Vice President Al Gore's claims that the "science is settled" and there is a "consensus." The original 2007 U.S. Senate report is available here: Full Report Set To Be Released in the Next 24 Hours – Stay Tuned…
Meanwhile, while the UN climate conference is in session here in Poznan, the bad scientific news for promoters of man-made climate alarm just keeps rolling in. Below is a very small sampling of very inconvenient developments for Gore, the United Nations, and their promoters in the mainstream media. Peer-reviewed studies, analyses, and prominent scientists continue to speak out to refute climate fears. The data presented below is just from the past week.

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Peer-reviewed study: Half of recent warming was solar! - December 10, 2008 - Physicist Dr. Lubos Motl's Website

Excerpt: In this dose of peer-reviewed skeptical climatological literature, we follow Climate Research News. The blog was intrigued by a new article in Geophysical Research Letters that was accepted on Friday, December 5th. Eichler, A., S. Olivier, K. Henderson, A. Laube, J. Beer, T. Papina, H. W. Gäggeler, and M. Schwikowski: Temperature response in the Altai region lags solar forcing - Recall that the Siberian Altai Mountains are found at the intersection of Russia, China, Mongolia, and Kazakhstan. The authors looked at 750 years worth of the local ice core, especially the oxygen isotope. They claim to have found a very strong correlation between the concentration of this isotope (i.e. temperature) on one side and the known solar activity in the epoch 1250-1850. Their data seem to be precise enough to determine the lag, about 10-30 years. It takes some time for the climate to respond to the solar changes. It seems that they also have data to claim that the correlation gets less precise after 1850. They attribute the deviation to CO2 and by comparing the magnitude of the forcings, they conclude that "Our results are in agreement with studies based on NH temperature reconstructions [Scafetta et al., 2007] revealing that only up to approximately 50% of the observed global warming in the last 100 years can be explained by the Sun." Well, the word "only" is somewhat cute in comparison with the "mainstream" fashionable ideology. The IPCC said that they saw a 90% probability that "most" of the recent warming was man-made. The present paper would reduce this figure, 90%, to less than 50% because the Sun itself is responsible for 1/2 of the warming and not the whole 50% of the warming could have been caused by CO2 because there are other effects, too. Note that if 0.3 °C or 0.4 °C of warming in the 20th century was due to the increasing CO2 levels, the climate sensitivity is decisively smaller than 1 °C. At any rate, the expected 21st century warming due to CO2 would be another 0.3-0.4 °C, and this time, if the solar activity contributes with the opposite sign, these two effects could cancel. Even if you try to stretch these numbers a little bit - but not unrealistically - you have to become sure that the participants of the Poznan conference are lunatics.

Flashback: New scientific analysis shows Sun “could account for as much as 69% of the increase in Earth's average temperature” (LINK) & (LINK)

Dr. Bruce West, A U.S Army Chief Scientist, Says Sun, Not Man, Is Driving Climate Change – June 3, 2008 – (LINK)

21 spotless days and solar magnetic field still in a funk – Meteorologist Anthony Watts Excerpt: We are now at 21 days with no sunspots, it will be interesting to see if we reach a spotless 30 day period and then perhaps a spotless month of December.

New Arctic ice analysis reveals ‘No clear evidence of a delay in the start of the later summer/early fall freeze up or the start of the late winter/early spring melt’ – Excerpt: Based on analysis by William Chapman, author of The Cryosphere Today website, graciously prepared an analysis of the dates of the minimum and maximum Arctic sea ice coverage since 1979.

Oscillation Rules as the Pacific Cools – December 9, 2008 Excerpt: A cool wedge of lower-than-normal sea-surface heights continues to dominate the tropical Pacific, ringed by a horseshoe of warmer waters. The continuation of this long-term cool phase of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation stacks the odds against a wetter-than-average winter/spring in the southwestern United States. The latest image of sea-surface height measurements from the U.S./French Jason-1 oceanography satellite shows the Pacific Ocean remains locked in a strong, cool phase of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation, a large, long-lived pattern of climate variability in the Pacific associated with a general cooling of Pacific waters. […] Sea-surface temperature satellite data from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration mirror Jason sea-surface height measurements, clearly showing a cool Pacific Decadal Oscillation pattern, as seen at: http://www.cdc.noaa.gov/map/images/sst/sst.anom.gif . "This multi-year Pacific Decadal Oscillation 'cool' trend can cause La Niña-like impacts around the Pacific basin," said Bill Patzert, an oceanographer and climatologist at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory. […] This cool phase will likely persist this winter and, perhaps, beyond.

Report: Sea Level rise 'has stumbled since 2005' – Meteorologist Anthony Watts – December 5, 2008 Excerpt: We’ve been waiting for the UC web page to be updated with the most recent sea level data. It finally has been updated for 2008. It looks like the steady upward trend of sea level as measured by satellite has stumbled since 2005. The 60 day line in blue tells the story. From the University of Colorado web page: “Long-term mean sea level change is a variable of considerable interest in the studies of global climate change. The measurement of long-term changes in global mean sea level can provide an important corroboration of predictions by climate models of global warming. Long term sea level variations are primarily determined with two different methods.” - Yes, I would agree, it is indeed a variable of considerable interest. The question now is, how is it linked to global climate change (aka global warming) if CO2 continues to increase, and sea level does not?
Update: 'No evidence for accelerated sea-level rise' says Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute – December 12, 2008 Excerpt: In an op-ed piece in the December 11 issue of NRC/Handelsblad, Wilco Hazeleger, a senior scientist in the global climate research group at KNMI, writes: “In the past century the sea level has risen twenty centimeters. There is no evidence for accelerated sea-level rise. It is my opinion that there is no need for drastic measures. It is wise to adopt a flexible, step-by-step adaptation strategy. By all means, let us not respond precipitously.”

Peer-Reviewed Study: Recent worldwide land warming' NOT 'a direct response to increasing greenhouse gases (GHGs) over land' - WorldClimateReport.com – December 3, 2008 ‘Rethinking Observed Warming?’ Key quote: “Evidence is presented that the recent worldwide land warming has occurred largely in response to a worldwide warming of the oceans rather than as a direct response to increasing greenhouse gases (GHGs) over land.”

Alert: 2008 will be coolest year of the decade!- December 5, 2008 Excerpt: This year is set to be the coolest since 2000, according to a preliminary estimate of global average temperature that is due to be released next week by the Met Office. The global average for 2008 should come in close to 14.3C, which is 0.14C below the average temperature for 2001-07. [Note: For evidence of the panic apparently gripping the promoters of man-made climate fear, read the quotes in the article from the warming partisans absolutely assuring everyone that cool temperatures are “absolutely not" evidence that global warming is on the wane. Those same voices are usually absent when it comes to linking heat waves to global warming. ]

Flashback: Global Cooling? - 'Thirty years of warmer temperatures go poof' - National Post – October 20, 2008

Report: NASA’s James Hansen "adjusts" a cooling trend into a warming trend - December 9, 2008 Excerpt: "[H]ere is what the data looks like before and after NASA GISS adjusts it. These are the USHCN “raw” and “homogenized” data plots from the GISTEMP website. The before and after is quite something to behold. ... What was down, is now up." "How not to measure temperature, part 79"

Geophysist: ‘It is time to file this theory in the dustbin of history’ – ‘Alarmists are in denial and running for cover'- Washington Times

By Geophysicist Dr. David Deming, associate professor of arts and sciences at the University of Oklahoma who has published numerous peer-reviewed research articles. Excerpt: Environmental extremists and global warming alarmists are in denial and running for cover. Their rationale for continuing a lost cause is that weather events in the short term are not necessarily related to long-term climatic trends. But these are the same people who screamed at us each year that ordinary weather events such as high temperatures or hurricanes were undeniable evidence of imminent doom. Now that global warming is over, politicians are finally ready to enact dubious solutions to a non-existent problem. […] To the extent global warming was ever valid, it is now officially over. It is time to file this theory in the dustbin of history, next to Aristotelean physics, Neptunism, the geocentric universe, phlogiston, and a plethora of other incorrect scientific theories, all of which had vocal and dogmatic supporters who cited incontrovertible evidence. Weather and climate change are natural processes beyond human control. To argue otherwise is to deny the factual evidence.

Climate Chancellor' No More – Der Spiegel Excerpt: Angela Merkel is facing withering criticism for remarks she made on Monday that seemed to back away from her earlier commitment to tackling climate change.

Alert: Under the Weather: Internal Report Says U.N. Climate Agency Rife With Bad Practices - Fox News – December 4, 2008

Excerpt: As more than 10,000 delegates and observers gather in Poznan, Poland, to discuss the next phase in the battle against "climate change," a U.N. agency at the center of that hoopla badly needs to do some in-house weather-proofing. […] But the WMO, the $80 million U.N. front-line agency in the climate change struggle, and the source for much of the world's information in the global atmosphere and water supply, has serious management problems of its own, despite its rapidly expanding global ambitions. The international agency has been sharply criticized by a U.N. inspection unit in a confidential report obtained by FOX News, for, among other things, haphazard budget practices, deeply flawed organizational procedures, and no effective oversight by the 188 nations that formally make up its membership and dole out its funds. The inspection was carried out by a member of the United Nations Joint Inspection Unit (JIU), a small, independent branch of the U.N. that reports to the General Assembly and is mandated to improve the organization's efficiency and coordination through its inspection process. […] WMO did not respond to a series of questions from FOX News regarding its future programs, sent on the eve of the Poznan meeting.

16-year-old suggests sheep dung can help save planet Card business has really dung good - Daily Post North WalesExcerpt: The company makes its products at the Twll Golau Papermill in Aberllefenni Slate Quarry using sustainable fuel and materials. Every sheet of paper is made from recycled materials, including sheep dung, waste paper and discarded rags, using processes designed to affect the natural environment as little as possible. […] Katie 16, from Tal-y-Bont, Conwy, was appointed to help spread the word on how Wales can reduce its carbon footprint and is urging other North Wales businesses to follow Creative Paper Wales’ example and adopt innovative approaches to the design and manufacture of products and the delivery of services.

Lord Christopher Monckton: 'Companies could be sued over climate change' Excerpt: The alarmist faction knows that, if it were to bring a case against a corporation whose executives were not minded merely to believe in the extremist presentation of "global warming" just because it is temporarily in fashion, they would lose. The case of Dimmock v. Secretaries of State for Education and for the Environment in the UK in 2007 was a very clear warning. The UK Government threw all of the resources of the taxpayer and of the Meteorological Office at the case, attempting to defend Al Gore's sci-fi comedy horror movie against the plaintiff's allegation that it was serially and seriously inaccurate. The Government failed and was humiliated. The judge, having heard both sides, said bluntly of Al Gore, and particularly of his unscientific allegation that sea level was about to rise by 20 feet, that "the Armageddon scenario that he depicts is not based on any scientific view". A few more judgments like that and the "global warming" fantasy would rapidly collapse. End of scare.

OOPS, We Forgot Siberia! (M4GW) - Weather Stations in Coldest parts No Longer Reporting

Excerpt: The thing that these skewed chart never take into account is that when the Soviet Union fell in 1990 the number of reporting weather stations went form a high of 15,000 in 1970 to 5,000 in 2000. This takes some of the coldest places on the planet out of the equation like Siberia. # #

Related Links:

UN Data shows ‘Warming has Stopped!’ – Climate Fears Called ‘Hogwash’ – ‘Global Carbon Tax’ Urged - December 3, 2008

‘Planet Has Cooled Since Bush Took Office’ & Global Warming Theory has ‘failed consistently and dramatically’ – November 20, 2008
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.heartland.org/NewYork08/proceedings.html

"The 2008 International Conference on Climate Change"

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="item7"]http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minor ity.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=2158072e-802a-23ad-45f0-274616db87e6

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UN Blowback: More Than 650 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims
December 10, 2008

Posted by Marc Morano – 9:36 AM ET - Marc_Morano@EPW.Senate.GOV


I suppose by now it really comes as no surprise what or who Item7 will use in his desperate need for sources.

"The latest list of "650 International Scientists (who) Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming" seems to be more of the same: dead guys (Fred Seitz, Marcel Leroux, Reid Bryson ...), paid deniers (Fred Singer, Tim Ball, Sallie Baliunas ...), and a much larger group of weather forecasters and "experts" from unrelated fields, many of whom (eg., Edward Wegman) don't even disagree with the scientific consensus that human activity is causing climate change.

The author of this list, Swiftboater Marc Morano, even included the names of Ted Nordhaus and Michael Shellenberger, a historian and an anthropologist who have made themselves famous by advocating for renewed and more vigorous policy action against the threat of climate change".
http://www.desmogblog.com/directory/vocabulary/3894

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if Item7 has even bothered to read the reactions by prominent scientists levied against Martin Durkin for his terrible documentary 'The Great Global Warming Swindle', which Item7 lists as a must see documentary.

One of the scientists featured in the film called Carl Wunsch filed a lawsuit against Mr Durkin (allegedly). He claimed to have been seriously misrepresented and even said it was "grossly distorted" and "as close to pure propaganda as anything since World War Two". He wasn't the only person featured in the film to complain about the selective editing by Martin Durkin. Channel 4 was later subject to an Ofcom ruling concerning its impartiality and quite right too. The film is nothing more than a pack of lies and typical of a documentary maker who has produced some equally dubious propaganda films in the past.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

James C wrote:
I wonder if Item7 has even bothered to read the reactions by prominent scientists levied against Martin Durkin for his terrible documentary 'The Great Global Warming Swindle', which Item7 lists as a must see documentary.

One of the scientists featured in the film called Carl Wunsch filed a lawsuit against Mr Durkin (allegedly). He claimed to have been seriously misrepresented and even said it was "grossly distorted" and "as close to pure propaganda as anything since World War Two". He wasn't the only person featured in the film to complain about the selective editing by Martin Durkin. Channel 4 was later subject to an Ofcom ruling concerning its impartiality and quite right too. The film is nothing more than a pack of lies and typical of a documentary maker who has produced some equally dubious propaganda films in the past.


It is quite stunning how all of a sudden known and active Conservative, Republican and industry propagandists aren't card-carrying members of the NWO, but are actually now trying to save us little people. Who'd have thought it....

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'The Great Global Warming Swindle', which Item7 lists as a must see documentary.

I don't recall saying it was a "must see". I linked to a site where it was only one of EIGHT videos and I did not single it out. YOU however DID! I also posted quotes from a multitude of scientists who are sceptics and you have nothing to say about them? You pick out one reference NOT especially highlighted by me, exaggerate my posting of it and ignore everything else! How typical of the pathetic retreating man-made climate change fantasists to clutch at straws. Ad hominem attacks do not refute the many truthful claims made in that film anyway - such as the "Hockey Stick" graph being junk. It was a pillar of the alarmists and has been shown to be such rubbish even the IPCC have dropped it. Durkin exposed a number of other lies in the Gore movie as well, which you doubtless know full well but choose to ignore. As for a scientist complaining he has been mis-represented do you have any idea how many scientists there are who have objected to their names being used as proponents of the scam? I guess not - you would have to read the posts to learn that.
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http://globalwarminghoax.wordpress.com/2007/03/03/media-ignore-al-gore %E2%80%99s-financial-ties-to-global-warming/

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Posted by Noel Sheppard on March 2, 2007 - 09:58.

As NewsBusters reported here, here, and here, there are huge dollars to be made from global warming alarmism. However, conceivably no one is better positioned to financially benefit from this scam than Dr. Global Warming himself, former Vice President Al Gore, a fact that the media will surely not share with Americans any time soon.

Yet, if America’s press would take some time out of their busy schedules covering the earth-shattering details surrounding Anna Nicole Smith’s demise, they might find a deliciously inconvenient truth about the soon-to-be-Dr. Gore that is significantly more fascinating and diabolical than anything likely to emerge from that courtroom in Broward County, Florida.

As reported by Dan Riehl (emphasis mine throughout):

Former Vice President Al Gore has built a Green money-making machine capable of eventually generating billions of dollars for investors, including himself, but he set it up so that the average Joe can’t afford to play on Gore’s terms. And the US portion is headed up by a former Gore staffer and fund raiser who previously ran afoul of both the FEC and the DOJ, before Janet Reno jumped in and shut down an investigation during the Clinton years.

Think Katie, Charlie, or Brian will be all over this tonight? Regardless, that was just the tip of the questionably melting iceberg as reported by Bill Hobbs in Nashville, Tennessee:

[H]ow Gore buys his “carbon offsets,” as revealed by The Tennessean raises serious questions. According to the newspaper’s report, Gore buys his carbon offsets through Generation Investment Management:

Gore helped found Generation Investment Management, through which he and others pay for offsets. The firm invests the money in solar, wind and other projects that reduce energy consumption around the globe…

Gore is chairman of the firm and, presumably, draws an income or will make money as its investments prosper. In other words, he “buys” his “carbon offsets” from himself, through a transaction designed to boost his own investments and return a profit to himself. To be blunt, Gore doesn’t buy “carbon offsets” through Generation Investment Management - he buys stocks.

Fascinating. So, as Dr. Global Warming travels the world in his private jet while spending 20 times the average American on energy for his home, all the time telling us its okay because he’s buying carbon offsets, he’s actually purchasing these investments from himself.

Furthermore, and maybe more important, Gore stands to benefit financially in a potentially huge way if more and more people buy into this junk science.

Isn’t that special?

Yet, it is not clear that Gore’s money is going to purchase carbon offsets at all. Riehl reported:

Here’s a list indicating what it takes to make money along with Al. Funds associated with these companies have placed millions of dollars under Al Gore’s control. And, as you’ll see below, Gore’s selection for the US President of GIM might raise a few eyebrows as well.

AFLAC INC - AQUANTIVE INC - AUTODESK INC - BECTON DICKINSON & CO BLACKBAUD INC - GENERAL ELECTRIC CO - GREENHILL & CO INC - JOHNSON CTLS INC - LABORATORY CORP AMER HLDGS - METABOLIX INC - NORTHERN TR CORP - NUVEEN INVTS INC -STAPLES INC - SYSCO CORP - TECHNE CORP - UBS AG - VCA ANTECH INC - WATERS CORP - WHOLE FOODS MKT INC

According to their own documents, GIM intends to invest in, or buy companies poised to cash in on Global Warming concerns.

Putting this in perspective, for years the left and their media minions have posited that George W. Bush started war with Iraq to benefit the company Vice President Dick Cheney used to run, Halliburton, as well as Bush’s oil tycoon friends. In fact, there have been times when you couldn’t swing a dead cat in any pressroom in this nation without hitting a reporter working on such a story.

Yet, as the former Vice President continues to plug global warming as a coming crisis in need of immediate attention, the same media completely ignore his obvious financial conflicts of interest.

No liberal media bias there.

However, as Riehl pointed out, this story is even juicier:

To add insult to injury, Gore chose Peter S. Knight, an old friend and colleague some are sure to recall, as the US President of GIM.

Peter S. Knight, formerly Managing Director Met West Financial, lawyer, Chief of Staff for Senator Al Gore (D-TN) from 1977-1989, and Campaign Manager for President Clinton’s successful re-election in 1996, is President of Generation U.S.

This would be him: Reno Rejects Inquiry Into a Clinton Aide

Atty Gen Janet Reno decides against any further investigation of Peter Knight, Pres Clinton’s 1996 campaign manager in connection with office building development in nation’s capital; such an investigation could have led to naming independent counsel to look further into activities of Knight, who is also former top assistant to Vice Pres Al Gore.

Yes, thanks to Janet Reno, no one ever found out how $20,000 in stock turned up in an account for Knight’s then 13 year old child.

Dispute over Democratic Party campaign-financing shifts to Zachary Knight, 13-year-old son of Peter S Knight, Clinton-Gore campaign chairman in 1996, who was given $20,000 in stock by William Haney 3d, chairman of Molten Metal Technology Inc; Republicans believe gift, which came after father was named chairman of campaign, was really payment to Knight, who had worked as $7,000-per-month lobbyist for company; Knight denies involvement in any impropriety; photo

Riehl accurately asked:

If Gore’s motivation in pushing Global Warming is so altruistic, was it really necessarily for the already wealthy Gore to establish a multi-million dollar corporation in England to cash in? And given the history of Gore and Knight, are these people we should trust to drive a re-vamping of the world economy at the same time they’re lining their pockets because of our much smaller carbon footprints?

Riehl marvelously concluded:

If Al Gore is successful with this latest scheme, Gore and his cronies are going to be much more $green$ than most of the earth. And the only green in this for you and me is the kind that accompanies envy as Gore trucks around on private jets putting dollars to offset his extravagance into a cash machine generating profits on the backs of the middle class with misrepresented science that doesn’t deserve to be called science at all.

Meanwhile, a complacent media, rather than hounding Gore over his financial conflicts of interest, continue to shill for this conman’s junk science.

When you add it all up, this is a flimflam of epic proportions:

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First, Gore sets up a company that will invest in other companies that will benefit from global warming alarmism
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Second, Gore gets some Hollywood types to fund and produce a movie designed to scare the c-c-carbon out of the population
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Third, Gore travels the world promoting this movie, while pushing the view that a cataclysm is imminent if the world doesn’t immediately act
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Fourth, an adoring media falls for the con hook, line, and sinker. Rather than debunking the flaws in the theories, the media promote every word of it while advancing the concept that Gore’s views represent those of an overwhelming majority of scientists
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Fifth, scared governments and citizens across the globe invest in alternative energy programs driving up the shares of companies Gore’s group has already invested in
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Sixth, Gore and his cronies make billions as they laugh all the way to the bank at the stupidity of their fellow citizens

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Item7, we went through all this before in this thread:
http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=16715&start=0
where your sources including Durkin are picked apart and you are left with no argument.

But you just keep re-spamming the same old things, and then wonder why it's not taken seriously.

Edit: Oh - look you've added another piece of conservative propaganda by the conservative propagandist Noel Shepherd, friend to Fox news and Republican senators such as James Inhofe.
Yessah missa Item7, you sure know how to spot an enemy of the NWO... Rolling Eyes

Here's more on Mr. Sheppard's associations, activities and methods.
http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2007/nbsheppard2.html

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Chek wrote:
"The latest list of "650 International Scientists (who) Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming" seems to be more of the same: dead guys (Fred Seitz, Marcel Leroux, Reid Bryson ...), paid deniers (Fred Singer, Tim Ball, Sallie Baliunas ...), and a much larger group of weather forecasters and "experts" from unrelated fields, many of whom (eg., Edward Wegman) don't even disagree with the scientific consensus that human activity is causing climate change.

The author of this list, Swiftboater Marc Morano, even included the names of Ted Nordhaus and Michael Shellenberger, a historian and an anthropologist who have made themselves famous by advocating for renewed and more vigorous policy action against the threat of climate change".

Fred Seitz died in March 2008 and was a committed sceptic
Marcel Leroux died in August and was a committed sceptic
Reid Bryson died in June 2008 and was also a committed sceptic.
People who get to their seniority and have their excellent qualifications tend to be old. They were all part of that list of scientists. Your point is devious and very revealing.

As for Edward Wegman being in agreement with the scam:-

http://www.urban-renaissance.org/urbanren/index.cfm?DSP=content&Conten tID=16698

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Wegman accepted energy commerce committee's assignment, agreed assess Mann controversy pro bono. He conducted third-party review assembling an expert panel statisticians, who agreed work pro bono. Wegman consulted outside statisticians, including Board American Statistical Association. At its conclusion, Wegman review entirely vindicated Canadian critics repudiated Mann's work.

"Our committee believes assessments decade 1990s hottest decade millennium 1998 hottest year millennium cannot supported," Wegman stated, adding "The paucity data more remote past makes hottest-in-a-millennium claims essentially unverifiable." When Wegman corrected Mann's statistical mistakes, hockey stick disappeared.

Wegman found Mann made basic error "may easily overlooked someone not trained statistical methodology. We note evidence Dr. Mann any other authors paleoclimate studies have had significant interactions with mainstream statisticians." Instead, small group climate scientists were working on their own, largely isolation, without academic scrutiny needed ferret out false assumptions.


I won't be bothering to check any more of your lies Chek - you are obviously not interested in the truth of this affair and I won't waste any more time dealing with your disinfo.

It would be interesting to hear your views on these scientists Chek. They were quoted in earlier posts which you ignored in favour of your cherry picked few.

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“I am a skeptic…Global warming has become a new religion.” - Nobel Prize Winner for Physics, Ivar Giaever.

“Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly….As a scientist I remain skeptical.” - Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a PhD in meteorology and formerly of NASA who has authored more than 190 studies and has been called “among the most preeminent scientists of the last 100 years.”

Warming fears are the “worst scientific scandal in the history…When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.” - UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist.

“The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn’t listen to others. It doesn’t have open minds… I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists,” - Indian geologist Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University and a board member of the UN-supported International Year of the Planet.

“The models and forecasts of the UN IPCC "are incorrect because they only are based on mathematical models and presented results at scenarios that do not include, for example, solar activity.” - Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera, a researcher at the Institute of Geophysics of the National Autonomous University of Mexico

“It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don’t buy into anthropogenic global warming.” - U.S Government Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA.

“Even doubling or tripling the amount of carbon dioxide will virtually have little impact, as water vapour and water condensed on particles as clouds dominate the worldwide scene and always will.” – . Geoffrey G. Duffy, a professor in the Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering of the University of Auckland, NZ.

“After reading [UN IPCC chairman] Pachauri's asinine comment [comparing skeptics to] Flat Earthers, it's hard to remain quiet.” - Climate statistician Dr. William M. Briggs, who specializes in the statistics of forecast evaluation, serves on the American Meteorological Society's Probability and Statistics Committee and is an Associate Editor of Monthly Weather Review.

“For how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand that the planet is not warming? For how many years must cooling go on?" - Geologist Dr. David Gee the chairman of the science committee of the 2008 International Geological Congress who has authored 130 plus peer reviewed papers, and is currently at Uppsala University in Sweden.

“Gore prompted me to start delving into the science again and I quickly found myself solidly in the skeptic camp…Climate models can at best be useful for explaining climate changes after the fact.” - Meteorologist Hajo Smit of Holland, who reversed his belief in man-made warming to become a skeptic, is a former member of the Dutch UN IPCC committee.

“Many [scientists] are now searching for a way to back out quietly (from promoting warming fears), without having their professional careers ruined.” - Atmospheric physicist James A. Peden, formerly of the Space Research and Coordination Center in Pittsburgh.

“Creating an ideology pegged to carbon dioxide is a dangerous nonsense…The present alarm on climate change is an instrument of social control, a pretext for major businesses and political battle. It became an ideology, which is concerning.” - Environmental Scientist Professor Delgado Domingos of Portugal, the founder of the Numerical Weather Forecast group, has more than 150 published articles.

“CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another….Every scientist knows this, but it doesn’t pay to say so…Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver’s seat and developing nations walking barefoot.” - Dr. Takeda Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan.

“The [global warming] scaremongering has its justification in the fact that it is something that generates funds.” - Award-winning Paleontologist Dr. Eduardo Tonni, of the Committee for Scientific Research in Buenos Aires and head of the Paleontology Department at the University of La Plata. # #


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item7 wrote:
James C wrote:
'The Great Global Warming Swindle', which Item7 lists as a must see documentary.

I don't recall saying it was a "must see". I linked to a site where it was only one of EIGHT videos and I did not single it out. YOU however DID! I also posted quotes from a multitude of scientists who are sceptics and you have nothing to say about them? You pick out one reference NOT especially highlighted by me, exaggerate my posting of it and ignore everything else! How typical of the pathetic retreating man-made climate change fantasists to clutch at straws. Ad hominem attacks do not refute the many truthful claims made in that film anyway - such as the "Hockey Stick" graph being junk. It was a pillar of the alarmists and has been shown to be such rubbish even the IPCC have dropped it. Durkin exposed a number of other lies in the Gore movie as well, which you doubtless know full well but choose to ignore. As for a scientist complaining he has been mis-represented do you have any idea how many scientists there are who have objected to their names being used as proponents of the scam? I guess not - you would have to read the posts to learn that.


Firstly, you list the documentary as one of eight films about the climate change con as you describe it. You therefore imply that it is a must see or else why include it or create the list at all?

Secondly, my post was not an ad hominem attack since I was stating facts about the documentary and at no point used emotive language about you or attacked you personally.

Thirdly, the hockey stick graph is very much alive and relevant. Most climatlogists admit that it has its flaws, especially as there are many gaps in the broader history of climate change but the data it represents shows a major shift in global temperature in the last 500 years which can only be accounted for by AGW. (Climate 'hockey stick' is revived).

Perhaps you'd care to discuss the work of Martin Durkin in light of the criticisms made by scientists, including those who appeared in the film, and Durkin's earlier works of propaganda for which he had to apologize.
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Anything to say about these scientists Chek. They were quoted in earlier posts which you ignored in favour of your cherry picked few, some of whom you said were dead but you didn't mention if you claim they were not sceptics when alive. Nor do you say if you refute they were a part of the group of 650.


Sigh - only frauds and charlatans include people who were dead before publication to bump up the numbers to impress the undiscerning. And obviously you, Item7. It's as meaningless as something like "9 out of 10 dead cats prefer Kittybix".

Add to that that nearly all your quotes contain the tell tale ' ... ' indicating they are not only taken out of their initial context, but are also redacted by the writer for their own ends. It might impress you Item7, but not me.

Then we have the ones who object to being included.
In short it isn't worth the pixels it's imprinted on.

If you want it given at least cursory consideration, filter out the pap first.

Oh - look you've added another piece of conservative propaganda by the conservative propagandist Noel Shepherd, friend to Fox news and Republican senators such as James Inhofe.
Yessah missa Item7, you sure know how to spot an enemy of the NWO... Rolling Eyes

Here's more on Mr. Sheppard's associations, activities and methods.
http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2007/nbsheppard2.html

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James C wrote:
Firstly, you list the documentary as one of eight films about the climate change con as you describe it. You therefore imply that it is a must see or else why include it or create the list at all?

That is a non sequitor. I make no such implication.

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Thirdly, the hockey stick graph is very much alive and relevant. Most climatlogists admit that it has its flaws, especially as there are many gaps in the broader history of climate change but the data it represents shows a major shift in global temperature in the last 500 years which can only be accounted for by AGW. (Climate 'hockey stick' is revived).

FFS! Are you the only person left who gives that garbage any relevance.

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Perhaps you'd care to discuss the work of Martin Durkin in light of the criticisms made by scientists, including those who appeared in the film, and Durkin's earlier works of propaganda for which he had to apologize.

No thanks. I recognize your attempt to move onto fertile ground because of Durkin's mistakes. He made some and he admits them but they pale when compared with the drivel of a movie made by Al Gore which he was largely trashing at the time. I prefer to debate the real issue not Durkin or the errors he made. What about the lies he exposed? That's much more relevant.
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Item7 wrote:
FFS! Are you the only person left who gives that garbage any relevance.


Clearly not as the article describes. Why do you ignore this?

Item7 wrote:
No thanks. I recognize your attempt to move onto fertile ground because of Durkin's mistakes. He made some and he admits them but they pale when compared with the drivel of a movie made by Al Gore which he was largely trashing at the time. I prefer to debate the real issue not Durkin or the errors he made. What about the lies he exposed? That's much more relevant.


But you don't debate the real issue preferring instead to link to documentaries such as Martin Durkin's which are worse than anything that Al Gore has produced.
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