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gruts
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| Bushwacker wrote: | You have still failed to provide any evidence about your story about Atta's passport flying several blocks from the WTC.
Your are a prime exponant of the "straw man" argument it seems. |
it seems that you are the one who is inventing straw men. the passport that was allegedly found several blocks from the WTC was apparently that of Satam Al Suqami - not Atta....
from http://www.sacred-texts.com/ame/911/911tr/012604.htm
"MS. SUSAN GINSBURG: Beginning with passports. Four of the hijackers passports have survived in whole or in part. Two were recovered from the crash site of United Airlines flight 93 in Pennsylvania. These are the passports of Ziad Jarrah and Saeed al Ghamdi. One belonged to a hijacker on American Airlines flight 11. This is the passport of Satam al Suqami. A passerby picked it up and gave it to a NYPD detective shortly before the World Trade Center towers collapsed...."
just out of interest - as you claim to be no fan of george dubya - what motivates you to spend so much of your time day after day, week after week, month after month and year after year trying to explain away the bush administration's numerous lies and coverups about 9/11? |
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ian neal
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| Bushwacker wrote: | | ian neal wrote: | Pathetic bushwacker
I'll tell you what I expect.
I expect people to be presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty
I expect the media not to prejudice any trial with hysterical coverage
I expect a healthy degree of scepticism from commentators on the official version of events (based on prior precedent) and a recognition that UK authorities have a long and dishonourable tradition of planting evidence and fitting up innocent people as terrorists
Just remember the Birmingham 6 and Guildford 4 etc etc
None of which is to say that all terrorist attacks are connected back to the state, just that many of them are. |
You expect men who emerge from a burning jeep driven into an airport terminal building, fighting policemen who come near, and pouring out more petrol, to be presumed innocent by the media, while you have no apparent objection at all to all the posts on this board assuming, without any evidence, that actually the security services are guilty of this?
To use the vernacular, you are having a laugh, aren't you? |
Call me old fashioned but I still expect these men to be tried in a court of law and not in the media.
The authorities and the media should not be stating that they believe these men were also behind the attempted London bombings. It prejudices a fair trial. It should also not carry exciting stories regarding the other people arrested and what they may or may not have done. Again it is liable to prejudice a fair trial.
As I recall the posts you refer to were questioning the extent to which the official reports told the whole story or could be trusted and whether or not the security services may or may not have been involved. Given the UK police/security services record of conspiring and supporting terrorism, planting evidence and fitting up innocent people who at the time are declared guilty all over the media (see Irish 'terrorism' for numerous examples) this is a perfectly reasonable line of discussion. I certainly wasn't claiming that there is proof that the security services were involved in the recent attempted bombings and don't believe any one else was.
Understanding Irish 'terrorism' is one way to understand the so-called 'war on terror'. I don't doubt that jihadi 'terrorism' is real in the same way that Irish 'terrorism' was real. No denial from me. But what was proven in the case of Irish 'terrorism' is that the UK state infilitrated and collaborated with 'terrorists' for their own political ends and there is considerable evidence to suggest that rogue elements of the US/UK authorities were involved in J7 and 9/11, so it is not unreasonable to question the latest terror story.
Besides provided posts are made within the rules of the forum the moderators would not step in and remove content just because they disagree with it. This in effect demonstrates that those who post here are not members of a cult. A cult would have members and would insist these members adhere to the cult's line on all things.
Are you aware that 83% of over 50,000 respondents to CNN Showbiz Tonight online poll believed the government is covering up the truth of 9/11? A poll by Zogby in May 2006 found that 42 percent of Americans believed there had indeed been a cover-up of the true events of 9/11, and an additional 10 percent of Americans were “unsure”, whilst a New York Times/CBS poll found that only 16% of americans believed the US government was telling the truth.
Given that you appear to be part of the 16% who believe Bush on 911, perhaps it is you who should be considered part of a cult that slavishly follows the official line given by the US and UK authorities regardless of any evidence. Take the plank.....
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Long Tooth
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| Bushwacker wrote: | | Long Tooth wrote: | Bushwacker,
first you said the telegraph link was unreliable, not irrelevant, later you sideshuffled your response to irrelevant, a common tactic of you twisting even your own reponses now. 
The trouble is when i provide a link, you dismiss it, first as unreliable, when the point is made you use the telegraph as reilable, you squirm and change it to irrelevant.
I ask you to post your refrence sites as to what you deem reliable and you are silent again.
We dont know who the hijackers are, so how do we know where they live? i only repeat what the offficials paraded on TV said, is your selective memory syndrome kicking in again? cant you remember richard pearle et al saying they live in caves? it was said so many times i cannot imagine how you choose to balnk it out?
the same with attas passport, so many white house mouthpieces wheeled out spouting attas passport found. I only repeat the absurdity of the governments pro war public relations men.
Are you saying the whitehouse and pentagon people lied about the pentagons anti missile defense too? i wonder what else they could be liemaking about?
perhaps you'd like to email Richard Perle about misleading us over the terrorists 'live in caves' and point out his lies to him? |
Ah, so you are quoting what you think you remember some PR man once saying?
You cannot find any substantiation for this at all, can you?
You claim this is all part of the "official story" so prove that or retract it.
Since you seem to need my permission, I give you permission to quote from any part of the MSM, the 9/11 Commission report or any other official source. |
Twisting it again bushwacker,
I didant ask for permission, since all links i have provided you in the past, that contradicts the official story, you label unreliable, half truths etc, i ask which sources you find accepatable, if you misinterpret that as asking for permission, perhaps you are just plain ignorant, and that helps explain your twisting and distorting of posters responses.
so you only find the 9/11 commision report, the MSM and official sources as aceptable. and any independant study or non officially sponsored source is nont acceptable to you. 
I can image your ancestors supporter Hitler and his Nazi policies, while he was burning the Reichstag building down and blaming it on the polish nation, all those who pointed to the false flag were told, unless you get a source from Adolf or his media controlled organisations we dont accept it as true.
Your strategies in defending terrorists who kill their own citizens are insidious. why would you support operation Gladio?
Your blinkered and highly humourous approach of defending state terrorism has always been transparent to me, now with your 'free thinking strategy' of only accepting official sources for information is now exposed for all newcomers to the subject of 9/11 to see. may i thank you for helping newcomers to 9/11, to see and observe someone that spreads 9/11 misinformation and disinformation, along with your continuous twisting and distorting posters replies, along with your out of context cutting and pasteing techniqes I hope you do not disappear from these forums, as you are an asset for 9/11 truth, and a laughing stock for 9/11 liemaking. |
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| TonyGosling wrote: | | I vote for the dustbin. |
Good call, Tony.
A pointless thread.
DUSTBIN!
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| gruts wrote: | | Bushwacker wrote: | You have still failed to provide any evidence about your story about Atta's passport flying several blocks from the WTC.
Your are a prime exponant of the "straw man" argument it seems. |
it seems that you are the one who is inventing straw men. the passport that was allegedly found several blocks from the WTC was apparently that of Satam Al Suqami - not Atta....
from http://www.sacred-texts.com/ame/911/911tr/012604.htm
"MS. SUSAN GINSBURG: Beginning with passports. Four of the hijackers passports have survived in whole or in part. Two were recovered from the crash site of United Airlines flight 93 in Pennsylvania. These are the passports of Ziad Jarrah and Saeed al Ghamdi. One belonged to a hijacker on American Airlines flight 11. This is the passport of Satam al Suqami. A passerby picked it up and gave it to a NYPD detective shortly before the World Trade Center towers collapsed...."
just out of interest - as you claim to be no fan of george dubya - what motivates you to spend so much of your time day after day, week after week, month after month and year after year trying to explain away the bush administration's numerous lies and coverups about 9/11? |
Yes, I know that and you know that but dear old Long Tooth did not know that, just one of the many things he doesn't know, but that does not prevent him holding forth. He is the worst sort of highly superficial 9/11 troofer, he pulls out a few cherries that appeal to him from his selection of conspiracy sites, and does not even get them right. He has just got the Reichstag fire wrong!
I am not defending Bush, who is despicable, but truth and logic in relation to 9/11. Why I bother, I am beginning to wonder myself. |
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Bushwacker
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| ian neal wrote: | | Bushwacker wrote: | | ian neal wrote: | Pathetic bushwacker
I'll tell you what I expect.
I expect people to be presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty
I expect the media not to prejudice any trial with hysterical coverage
I expect a healthy degree of scepticism from commentators on the official version of events (based on prior precedent) and a recognition that UK authorities have a long and dishonourable tradition of planting evidence and fitting up innocent people as terrorists
Just remember the Birmingham 6 and Guildford 4 etc etc
None of which is to say that all terrorist attacks are connected back to the state, just that many of them are. |
You expect men who emerge from a burning jeep driven into an airport terminal building, fighting policemen who come near, and pouring out more petrol, to be presumed innocent by the media, while you have no apparent objection at all to all the posts on this board assuming, without any evidence, that actually the security services are guilty of this?
To use the vernacular, you are having a laugh, aren't you? |
Call me old fashioned but I still expect these men to be tried in a court of law and not in the media.
The authorities and the media should not be stating that they believe these men were also behind the attempted London bombings. It prejudices a fair trial. It should also not carry exciting stories regarding the other people arrested and what they may or may not have done. Again it is liable to prejudice a fair trial.
As I recall the posts you refer to were questioning the extent to which the official reports told the whole story or could be trusted and whether or not the security services may or may not have been involved. Given the UK police/security services record of conspiring and supporting terrorism, planting evidence and fitting up innocent people who at the time are declared guilty all over the media (see Irish 'terrorism' for numerous examples) this is a perfectly reasonable line of discussion. I certainly wasn't claiming that there is proof that the security services were involved in the recent attempted bombings and don't believe any one else was.
Understanding Irish 'terrorism' is one way to understand the so-called 'war on terror'. I don't doubt that jihadi 'terrorism' is real in the same way that Irish 'terrorism' was real. No denial from me. But what was proven in the case of Irish 'terrorism' is that the UK state infilitrated and collaborated with 'terrorists' for their own political ends and there is considerable evidence to suggest that rogue elements of the US/UK authorities were involved in J7 and 9/11, so it is not unreasonable to question the latest terror story.
Besides provided posts are made within the rules of the forum the moderators would not step in and remove content just because they disagree with it. This in effect demonstrates that those who post here are not members of a cult. A cult would have members and would insist these members adhere to the cult's line on all things.
Are you aware that 83% of over 50,000 respondents to CNN Showbiz Tonight online poll believed the government is covering up the truth of 9/11? A poll by Zogby in May 2006 found that 42 percent of Americans believed there had indeed been a cover-up of the true events of 9/11, and an additional 10 percent of Americans were “unsure”, whilst a New York Times/CBS poll found that only 16% of americans believed the US government was telling the truth.
Given that you appear to be part of the 16% who believe Bush on 911, perhaps it is you who should be considered part of a cult that slavishly follows the official line given by the US and UK authorities regardless of any evidence. Take the plank..... |
A reasoned and reasonable response, thank you.
No doubt you are right about trial by media, but that is a general problem with the press we have, nothing peculiar to these incidents.
Your recollection of the posts is, I fear, incorrect. There was no "questioning the extent to which the official reports told the whole story or could be trusted and whether or not the security services may or may not have been involved" which would have been an understandable reaction on this site. What there was, as I said, was an immediate assumption, without any evidence at all, that these are false flag operations and the very occasional voice suggesting that it might be a good idea to wait for evidence before reaching a conclusion, or that there might sometimes be genuine terrorist attacks, was swept aside in the rush to assume that some government agency is involved. That is why I commented on it.
I did not suggest that any postings should be removed, I commented on your objection to the assumption that the men in the jeep, compared to your justification of posters assuming the security services were guilty.
I have replied to your comments on polls elsewhere. |
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Its tempting: but why do Bushwacker a favour?
Let him continue to show up the critics for the buffoons they are
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| Three of the mighty ones responding to my posts in one day, I must be doing something right to get you so agitated. |
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gruts
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| Bushwacker wrote: | Yes, I know that and you know that but dear old Long Tooth did not know that, just one of the many things he doesn't know, but that does not prevent him holding forth. He is the worst sort of highly superficial 9/11 troofer, he pulls out a few cherries that appeal to him from his selection of conspiracy sites, and does not even get them right. He has just got the Reichstag fire wrong!
I am not defending Bush, who is despicable, but truth and logic in relation to 9/11. Why I bother, I am beginning to wonder myself. |
I think the unbelievability of a slightly singed but otherwise intact passport being found is more pertinent than whose it actually was.
and maybe you should take a holiday.... |
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Its funny to see the truthers trying to ban incorrect thoughts from critics corner - its not enough that criticism is banned elsewhere, they still have to come to the one place it is allowed and all start chanting in favor of banishment to the dustbin.
What a sad lot.
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| pepik wrote: | Its funny to see the truthers trying to ban incorrect thoughts from critics corner - its not enough that criticism is banned elsewhere, they still have to come to the one place it is allowed and all start chanting in favor of banishment to the dustbin.
What a sad lot. |
ah poor critics, have you not noticed that you cannot ask tough questions in the mainstream media also? you know anything that critises the goverments or raises issues about 9/11 the war on terror etc, and that on many other forums free speech is'nt allowed or it will result in a ban or your post not making it through due to measures to ensure your freedom of speech is capped.? im not saying all of them are doing it but it is increasing daily.
but no your more concerned about one forum just because somebody said put it in the bin, but it was'nt  .
you also promote ridicule of others freedom of speech and then moan because someone said put it in the bin in one thread on one forum but did'nt actually do it.
it just amazes me how our freedom of speech is'nt allowed yet yours is sacred.  |
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I'm sorry your right to airtime on BBC isn't being respected - remind me where it says you have that right again? Is this the same CNN that refuses to give airtime to psychics and neo Nazis, UFO spotters, illuminati scholars, scientologists, and everyone else that apparently has a right to mainsteam media access?
Anyway, I wasn't expecting you to oppose the banishment of incorrect views from the critics corner, why not just refuse to condemn it and move right along to whining about something else? As long as the subject is changed, that's what matters. | Quote: | | it just amazes me how our freedom of speech is'nt allowed yet yours is sacred. |
If your freedom of speech isn't allowed, why was I able to read your message? Why do 911 groups meet, hold rallies, have radio shows, make movies and books, form 'scholar' societies, and maintain hundreds of websites? Go to Cuba, Iran, or North Korea and tell them about your terrible suffering and persecution back in the UK. I mean what kind of country is it if you can't get BBC access on demand?
I know that part of the fun of 911 truth is pretending to be a persecuted minority, but try to stay connected to reality. You have all the free speech you could ever need to promote your cause, the problem is that most people don't find you at all convincing. That's not something you can blame on anyone else.
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first of all show me evidence of "banishment of incorrect veiws", as far as i was aware this section was not the dustbin.
second of all if our freedom of speech exsists, why do the bbc need to do hit pieces on the questions surronding 9/11, why do most mainstream news ridicule peoples views instead of looking into them properly, why are people arrested for handing out leaflets?
why are laws bought in to stop you protesting in certain areas
the list is endless i could go on but i know im wasting my time where your concerned, your blind when it suits you. |
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Well genius seeing as critical views are already banished to critics corner, well... oh what's the point? Its amazing how many of your questions are requests to point out the obvious. I said people were asking for critics to get there posts thrown out of critics corner - not that they had been put in the dustbin. Of course, as usual, you have your straw man and you're not letting go of him now. Go on Marky, do the straw man dance. | Quote: | | second of all if our freedom of speech exsists, why do the bbc need to do hit pieces on the questions surronding 9/11 |
Ummm... I guess they have freedom of speech too? Or in your version of freedom of speech the BBC isn't allowed to criticise you? You want them banished to the dustbin too now Marky? | Quote: | | why do most mainstream news ridicule peoples views instead of looking into them properly |
Again, why can't the press ridicule the ridiculous? | Quote: | | why are people arrested for handing out leaflets? why are laws bought in to stop you protesting in certain areas |
I gave you a very long list of the quite extensive activities of 911 activists across all sorts of media, and it is done internationally. I'm sorry but you simply do not have a right to be believed and supported.
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ill leave you and others to believe that. simply because you miss the point on eveything anyone says and twist it to mean what you what it to mean.
have a nice day and enjoy the future you helped to create, and lets hope our grandsons and grand daughters can do the same. |
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Troofer, that's a good one... really...
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| Pepik wrote: | | I know that part of the fun of 911 truth is pretending to be a persecuted minority, but try to stay connected to reality. You have all the free speech you could ever need to promote your cause, the problem is that most people don't find you at all convincing. That's not something you can blame on anyone else. |
Do you really think that the main interest of people who are trying to make more people aware of their cause see themselves as a persecuted minority ?
Historically, are you sure about this Pepik ?
You say that we have all the free speech that we need and that the problem is most people don't find us convincing.
Most people ?
Most people on the planet ?
Or most people who read our stuff ?
Either way, where do your get this impression from ?
You then go on to say that this apparent indifference is not something that we can blame anyone else for.
I blame the mainstream media for not being able or willing to take up this issue and spread it far and wide among the contingent that you seem to think don't find us convincing.
Are there any historic examples of the power of humanity that you do identify with Pepik ?
Are people able to make a change ?
Or is it that their derisory causes that are to blame for their lack of success ?
Or something else maybe ?
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Interesting thread. Particularly how many veterans of the pointless blog "Screw Loose Change" make an appearance.
But as for "unfounded" suspicions based on first impressions:
Within 60 seconds of the second plane hitting the towers, a live news commenter ventured to suspect Osama Bin Laden.
When the towers "collapsed", the top of one exploded... before collapsing. That explosion was not caused by jet fuel, most of which burned on impact.
WTC 7 "collapsing".
Admit it: the "collapse" of WTC 7 looks like a controlled demolition. Even if you don't believe it is, an honest dude can see it looks like a CD.
Many 9/11 activists share these suspicions...and, over the course of almost 6 years, nothing reasonable has been presented to ally these suspicions. Instead our suspicions have grown.
Yes, it's true leaping to conclusions prematurely is unwise. But it is also true certain key facts stand out and will not be dismissed, for instance on 7/7:
Peter Power's company was running an exercise of exactly the same type that happened. I believe he is an unwitting player... he spoke freely of how anomalous the sitch was, though he did not reveal the client he was running the exercise for.
To return to the topic, people are more likely to assume a "terrorist attack" is state sponsored for very good reasons:
1: they have been proven to be so often enough in the past, especially where it is clear State or State interests directly benefit.
2: when the State is slow to investigate thoroughly, it is acting like someone with something to hide.
3: as a rule, States and their intelligence agencies are the ones who have the resources to pull off terrorist attacks, directly or through however many proxies.
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Bushwacker wrote:
"Three of the mighty ones responding to my posts in one day, I must be doing something right to get you so agitated."
That is what it's all about isn't it.
It isn't about who's right or wrong, or what really happened, truth or lies.
It's about getting a kick out of winding people up and also having an excuse to be abusive to people.
Some people get a kick out of winding people up like some people get a kick out of drugs.
It's a thrill for them to do this and they get off on it, its fun for them to get other people going.
Like yobs get a thrill out of smashing up bus shelters and such like although i'm not suggestiing bushwacker does that.
Tell me Bushwacker do you do this to lots of other people on other forums throughout the internet about loads of different subjects?.
Does it make you feel good and gets rid of your frustration or unhappyness?.
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| Louise wrote: | Bushwacker wrote:
"Three of the mighty ones responding to my posts in one day, I must be doing something right to get you so agitated."
That is what it's all about isn't it.
It isn't about who's right or wrong, or what really happened, truth or lies.
It's about getting a kick out of winding people up and also having an excuse to be abusive to people.
Some people get a kick out of winding people up like some people get a kick out of drugs.
It's a thrill for them to do this and they get off on it, its fun for them to get other people going.
Like yobs get a thrill out of smashing up bus shelters and such like although i'm not suggestiing bushwacker does that.
Tell me Bushwacker do you do this to lots of other people on other forums throughout the internet about loads of different subjects?.
Does it make you feel good and gets rid of your frustration or unhappyness?. |
On the contrary, I want the truth to be recognised, if there is evidence that the generally accepted view of 9/11 is wrong I want it brought out and tested. All I see however is people starting out with wild theories and looking for the evidence to justify them. And not just failing to examine such evidence properly, prepared to twist what they can find to fit their theories, prepared to ignore anything that contradicts their theories, prepared to accuse any number of people of vile crimes on no evidence at all. Why should I let them get away with it? Just so that they can have the warm glow of feeling they know more than those they contemptuously call "sheeple"? |
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| Bushwacker wrote: | | Louise wrote: | Bushwacker wrote:
"Three of the mighty ones responding to my posts in one day, I must be doing something right to get you so agitated."
That is what it's all about isn't it.
It isn't about who's right or wrong, or what really happened, truth or lies.
It's about getting a kick out of winding people up and also having an excuse to be abusive to people.
Some people get a kick out of winding people up like some people get a kick out of drugs.
It's a thrill for them to do this and they get off on it, its fun for them to get other people going.
Like yobs get a thrill out of smashing up bus shelters and such like although i'm not suggestiing bushwacker does that.
Tell me Bushwacker do you do this to lots of other people on other forums throughout the internet about loads of different subjects?.
Does it make you feel good and gets rid of your frustration or unhappyness?. |
On the contrary, I want the truth to be recognised, if there is evidence that the generally accepted view of 9/11 is wrong I want it brought out and tested. All I see however is people starting out with wild theories and looking for the evidence to justify them. And not just failing to examine such evidence properly, prepared to twist what they can find to fit their theories, prepared to ignore anything that contradicts their theories, prepared to accuse any number of people of vile crimes on no evidence at all. Why should I let them get away with it? Just so that they can have the warm glow of feeling they know more than those they contemptuously call "sheeple"? |
For the record I , as a 9/11 activist, have never called anyone a "sheeple". I say this since it seems you are speculating all 9/11 activists do this. I know of no 9/11 activists that I am willing to work with personally who do this. We believe in reaching out to potential 9/11 activists with respectful dialog, eschewing alarmist rhetoric.
Keep in mind John Conner is not the model upon which all, or even most, 9/11 activists base themselves on.
As to "no evidence at all", I doubt you believe that. Even if you disagree with our conclusions, an honest, reasonable person can admit, "yes, I can see how it looks that way".
For instance..the "collapse" of WTC7. You can see how it LOOKS like a controlled demolition, even if you don't think it is.
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marky 54
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| Bushwacker wrote: | | Louise wrote: | Bushwacker wrote:
"Three of the mighty ones responding to my posts in one day, I must be doing something right to get you so agitated."
That is what it's all about isn't it.
It isn't about who's right or wrong, or what really happened, truth or lies.
It's about getting a kick out of winding people up and also having an excuse to be abusive to people.
Some people get a kick out of winding people up like some people get a kick out of drugs.
It's a thrill for them to do this and they get off on it, its fun for them to get other people going.
Like yobs get a thrill out of smashing up bus shelters and such like although i'm not suggestiing bushwacker does that.
Tell me Bushwacker do you do this to lots of other people on other forums throughout the internet about loads of different subjects?.
Does it make you feel good and gets rid of your frustration or unhappyness?. |
On the contrary, I want the truth to be recognised, if there is evidence that the generally accepted view of 9/11 is wrong I want it brought out and tested. All I see however is people starting out with wild theories and looking for the evidence to justify them. And not just failing to examine such evidence properly, prepared to twist what they can find to fit their theories, prepared to ignore anything that contradicts their theories, prepared to accuse any number of people of vile crimes on no evidence at all. Why should I let them get away with it? Just so that they can have the warm glow of feeling they know more than those they contemptuously call "sheeple"? |
its amazing, thats exactly what i think and why im here to, the differance is you just need to reverse a critic saying it to a truther to a truther saying it to a critic and reverse some of the words to fit, and replace sheeple with conspiracy theorist mockery. |
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Bushwacker
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| pdx911action wrote: |
........As to "no evidence at all", I doubt you believe that. Even if you disagree with our conclusions, an honest, reasonable person can admit, "yes, I can see how it looks that way".
For instance..the "collapse" of WTC7. You can see how it LOOKS like a controlled demolition, even if you don't think it is. |
Indeed, it does look like controlled demolition and I came on to this site to try to find out more about it, but what I found was that there was no evidence to support that theory at all, on the contrary the firemen at the scene were expecting it to collapse because of the number of floors of the building that were burning, and it had been left to burn for seven hours. People saw it was starting to distort. However all this was ignored by people who claimed they were interested in truth, and instead they concentrated on Silverstein's "pull it" remark, and were prepared to take that completely out of context, twist his words to give them the meaning they wanted and in some cases claim he said something he did not. |
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pdx911action
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| Bushwacker wrote: | | pdx911action wrote: |
........As to "no evidence at all", I doubt you believe that. Even if you disagree with our conclusions, an honest, reasonable person can admit, "yes, I can see how it looks that way".
For instance..the "collapse" of WTC7. You can see how it LOOKS like a controlled demolition, even if you don't think it is. |
Indeed, it does look like controlled demolition |
Thank you sir or madame.
Of all the message boards in all the 9/11 Truth movement in all the Internet, you're the first debunker I've seen to write those words re: WTC7.
I'm gonna frame this. 
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Bushwacker
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| You are very welcome, I am glad to have pleased someone! |
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