Flight 93 premiere protests

[Newspeak International]

A major problem with persuading cinema goers is that they are only there for the film,for the spectacular.They don't want to hear anything that might spoil the occasion,especially from a bunch of tinfoilhat
conspiracy theory saddos.

Believe me I've tried.


Free dvd's on the other hand is another story:)

[John White]

I went for the cognitive circuit fusing option on this one

http://www.universalpictures.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=285&start=0&pos tdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

What does encourage me greatly is the activist numbers on there: we wouldnt have had that level of support 6 months ago...this story is really breaking

Its also very clear that protesting this film should be a major objective when we get it over here

[John White]

Someones started a poll to have the film withdrawn...

http://www.universalpictures.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=392

I suggest a "YES!" vote

[xmasdale]

[John White]

Point taken Noel f course I dont expect Universal to actually do that: but it would be a very embarising statistic for them! and Im looking forward to the publicity for the truth movement too

Anyway the issue is a bit fluff really re: the poll...but the response over there is great to see

[xmasdale]

[ian neal]

Check this claim out

http://www.letsroll911.org/articles/flight93shotdown.html

[Annie]

Things are getting lively in the States...

Annie


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----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas R. Ascher
To: AB
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 11:37 PM
Subject: Fw: Universal's Flight 93 'Hijacked' By Truth Seekers


IT IS NOT NICE TO CONTRADICT THE MINISTRY OF PROPOGANDA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Subject: Universal's Flight 93 'Hijacked' By Truth Seekers

Universal's Flight 93 'Hijacked' By Truth Seekers
Forum moderators deleting entire threads in real time

Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | April 29 2006

Universal Studio's Flight 93 movie online forum has been completely infiltrated by people opposing the official government 9/11 fable and its moderators are having to delete entire threads in real time deeming them, "inappropriate."

A cursory visit to the forum confirms that the entire website has been turned into a battle ground for countering the government apologist propaganda being regurgitated in an impetuous lunge to give credibility to a tale about as reality-based as Humpty Dumpty.

The establishment press is spewing forth hit pieces as fast as its antiquated 'one column per columnist per week' ratio can muster. USA Today were the latest to use this shockudrama screen drivel as a pugel to try and bash a truth movement spreading like wildfire across the four corners of the cyber globe.

I have a policy of issuing rebuttals to the most distasteful hit pieces but now I'm content to sit back and just lap up the hilarity of their desperation as every attack piece is met with thousands of angry and informed responses.

Neo-Con conspiracy theorist Betsy Hart reckoned all the evidence could be explained away by saying that people who question the official story "fear Islamic terrorism." Her forum was overrun with cyber patriots putting her in her place and she threatened to shut it down.



Befuddled liberal turned Bushite Cinnamon Stillwell gave us all a chuckle when she claimed that, "the whole country witnessed the horrific sight of planes flying into....the Pentagon."

When this website pointed out that no such video exists of a plane flying into the Pentagon, Stillwell was left reeling and red-faced after the San Francisco Chronicle were forced to issue a retraction to the fairy tale story.

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Despite multiple large websites encouraging people to help Stillwell with her homework by e mailing her, she backed down from the subject and her next article was about immigration.

The Universal website carries a message at the top of the page stating, "We apologize for the removal of the message boards - due to technical difficulties all previous threads have been inadvertantly deleted. We invite you to renew your dialog and discuss your thoughts on the film."



Yeah and the moon is made of cheese.

They deleted a whole backlog of threads because they uniformly exposed the fact that Greengrass' shill excuse for a movie is just another manufactured movie script, much like the government's version of 9/11.

"Inappropriate posts which include profanity, defamations, or threats will be removed. Posts that are not deemed appropriate for a particular thread may be moved by the moderator, says the site." By 'defamation' they mean defamation of the official yarn that would put Hans Christian Anderson to shame and truly is an insult to the victims of 9/11.

On the flip side websites like Counterpunch and even the Philadelphia Daily News are carrying balanced pieces highlighting unanswered questions about Flight 93 that were carefully avoided in the new release.

Universal are removing dissenting posts so fast that children who suck their thumbs and believe the establishment Jack and Jill version of 9/11 are now starting to look like the majority. Visit the forum and show them that a committed and educated minority will always triumph over an ignorant brainwashed mass of stupefied zombies.

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Posted at the site:



This was posted at http://www.universalpictures.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=431&sid=725e6ac 9a2000053abd15dda515f27cb



It is a forum for discussion of Universal’s new picture about Flight 93 allegedly crashed in Pennsylvania on 911. The site has been besieged by outraged folks who have done their homework and know that the 911 story is a lie. Here is one such posting.






posted by OWNtheNWO



Joined: 28 Apr 2006
Posts: 18

Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 5:33 am Post subject:



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Confronting evidence
1
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4652622731306815853
2
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5130420072672670260
3
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4120859424049476570
4
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3714795250395473723
5
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4394432694577855251

9/11 revisited
BYU physicist Steven E Jones
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=964034652002408586
Revisited Montage
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1951610169657809939&q=9%2F11+r evisited&pl=true


David Ray Griffin
9/11 comission report:
omissions and distortions
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6837001821567284154
American Empire
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3538037502590699697
other speeches
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8526790279017094192


9/11 eyewitness
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3498980438587461603

Loose Change 2nd Edition
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801
Extras
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7440129306993364432

911 Road to tyranny
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1358726890127819985
Extras
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4006909132092980816
special emergency release
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3050705494343492018









a fake osama tape?
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html


Central colums ommitted from comission report?
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/

NORAD standing DOWN??
http://standdown.net/
http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/norad/

WTC7
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fema_report.html



Catherder debunked
http://abovetopsecret.narod.ru/Above_Top_Secret_article.htm


Debunking Popular Mechanics straw men (p.s. Micheal chertoffs nephew wrote it)
http://911review.com/pm/markup/index.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pm/
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/090305alexresponds.htm

Morgan Reynolds - Former Chief Economist for the Department of Labor (Bush II)
http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20050613-102755-6408r.htm
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2005/160605governmentcomplici t.htm

Paul Craig Roberts - Former Assistant of the Treasury in the Reagan Administration author of "Reaganonics"
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2006/080206towerscollapse .htm

Dr. Robert M. Bowman (Lt. Col. Ret.) - Former Head of Advanced Space Programs for the Department of Defense Author of "Star Wars Defense" during Reagan Administration
http://www.rmbowman.com/ssn/Secrecy.htm
http://www.illinoistimes.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A4282

Ray McGovern - Former CIA Analyst during the Reagan and Bush I Administrations
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2005/191005McGovern.htm

Stanley Hilton - Bob Dole's Former Chief of Staff
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=101&contentid=15 36

Karl Schwarz - Former Republican Strategist Insider
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/one-time_gop_insider.html

Donn de Grand-Pre - U.S. Army Col. (Ret.)
http://www.prisonplanet.com/022904degrand.html

Andreas Von Buelow - Former German Defense Minister
http://www.prisonplanet.com/021104vonbuelow.html

Physics Professor Steven Jones - Brigham Young University
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635160132,00.html
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2005/121105twintowers.htm

Theology Professor David Ray Griffin - Clarmont Theology University
http://www.WantToKnow.info/050828latimes911conspiracy

William Rodriguez - Hero & Maintenance Worker at the Twin Towers
http://www.arcticbeacon.com/20-Jun-2005.html

Anatoli Kornukov - Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Air Force
http://www.tenc.net/news/airf.htm

Michael Meacher - Former UK Minister of Environment
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1036571,00.html

David Shayler - Former MI5 British Secret Agent
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2005/270605insidejob.htm

Russ Wittenberg -Former Air Force and Commercial Airline Pilot
http://www.lewisnews.com/article.asp?ID=106623

Louis Freeh - Former FBI Director (under Bush II)
http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007559

U.S. Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney (D-GA)
http://www.ajc.com/hp/content/auto/epaper/editions/saturday/news_241ef d8d9666d13800b4.html

U.S. Senator Mark Dayton (D-Minn.)
http://www.911citizenswatch.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file= article&sid=369

U.S. Congressman Ron Paul, (R-TX) (MD)
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul200.html

U.S. Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH)
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/03/335527.shtml

U.S. Congressman Curt Weldon (R-PA)
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=200509 17&articleId=965

Command Sergeant Major Eric Haney - Founder of the Military's Elite Covert Counter-Terrorist Unit, Delta force
http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/delta_force_founder_no_real_threat _to_us.htm

Stan Goff - U.S. Special Forces Master Sergeant (Ret.)
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/wtc_media.htm

Catherine Austin Fitts - Former Ass. Secretary of Housing (Bush II)
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041101130426916

Sibel Edmonds - Former FBI Translator "Whistleblower"
http://www.breakfornews.com/Sibel-Edmonds.htm

Coleen Rowley - Former Special FBI Agent
http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101020603/memo.html

Robert Wright - Former Special FBI Agent
http://www.prisonplanet.com/another_fbi_agent_blows_the_whistle.htm

Paul O'Neill - Former Treasury Secretary (Bush II)
http://xymphora.blogspot.com/2004/01/more-on-paul-oneill.html

Joseph Wilson - Former U.S. Diplomat
http://www.legitgov.org/clg_interview_joseph_wilson_060705.html

Karen Kwiatkowski - Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Pentagon
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?entity=karen_kwiatkowski

Scholars for 9/11 Truth
http://www.st911.org/

Respected Leaders and Families 9/11 Truth Statement
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041026093059633

Unanswered Questions from 9/11 Victim's Families
http://www.911independentcommission.org/questions.html

Experts Call for Release of 9/11 Evidence
http://news.yahoo.com/s/prweb/20060301/bs_prweb/prweb352979_1

Experts Claim Official 9/11 Story is a Hoax
http://news.yahoo.com/s/prweb/20060130/bs_prweb/prweb339303

Official 9/11 Story Disputed by Experts and Witnesses
http://www.lasvegastribune.com/20050729/headline3.html

National Security Experts Speak Out: 9/11 Commission Falls Short
http://www.BreakForNews.com/Vets-on-911-Commission.htm

"The real problem with the official line on 9/11 is that it relies on wrong-headed science that starts with "a conclusion" and seeks out evidence that supports that theory to the exclusion of all other evidence." ~ Prof. Steven E. Jones

9/11: The Myth and the Reality
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060405112622982

[Andrew Johnson]

http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/14439058.htm

Many questions linger

By WILL BUNCH

bunchw@phillynews.com 215-854-2957

VIRTUALLY EVERYTHING that is known about United Flight 93, the hijacked jetliner that crashed into a coal field in western Pennsylvania, has been put into the new Hollywood feature film about the doomed voyage.

Director Paul Greengrass not only relied on known transcripts and accounts of real conversations that took place during the Sept. 11, 2001, drama, but he even used some real pilots, crew and flight controllers in filming "United 93."

"They also believed, as the families believed, that making this film an accurate account - not a conspiratorial effort - would help us," Greengrass told the Boston Herald recently. "It gave the film a veracity, an authenticity."

But while Greengrass tackled everything known about the flight - which the government believes was purposely crashed by its four al Qaeda hijackers because of the uprising by passengers who'd learned of the World Trade Center crashes - there were things the movie could not address.

Those are the unknowns of Flight 93.

Today, few but the most radical skeptics about 9/11 would question the events at the core of "United 93," the struggle with heroic passengers that was captured on the cockpit voice recording played in a Virginia courtroom earlier this month.

But other questions remain - most notably about the government's response. Why was the hijacked jet not intercepted by the military jets that had been sent aloft after the Trade Center strikes? Did President Bush or Vice President Dick Cheney order a shoot-down as the plane neared Washington? And why didn't it happen?

"Unfortunately, we have yet to have a serious and honest investigation into what happened on 9/11," said Paul Thompson, the author of "The Terror Timeline: Year by Year, Day by Day, Minute by Minute."

Thompson believes that officials should still be held accountable for what he considers a flawed military response.

Here are some other questions:

Q. Why weren't military fighters under the command of the North American Aerospace Defense Command, or NORAD, able to intercept the doomed flight?

A. Ever since 9/11, Pentagon officials have insisted that NORAD was geared toward a foreign attack and not set up to deal with a domestic hijacking, but there is considerable evidence to contradict that. In fact, the 9/11 Commission found that NORAD had been planning for a June 2002 exercise called Amalgam Virgo 2 that involved a scenario with two simultaneously hijacked planes.

NORAD also told the 9/11 Commission that it hadn't been informed of the Flight 93 hijacking until it was much too late to respond. However, NORAD Commander Larry Arnold told an author in 2004, "We watched the 93 track as it meandered around the Ohio-Pennsylvania area and started to turn south toward D.C." That was about 27 minutes, or more, before Flight 93 crashed in Shanksville, Pa.

In defending its actions, NORAD has said that it launched its remaining F-16 fighters from Langley Air Force Base in Virginia at approximately 9:30 a.m. - roughly 33 to 36 minutes before Flight 93 crashed - but after another hijacked jet had struck the Pentagon, the fighters were needed to defend the perimeter of Washington.

Q. Did high-ranking officials from the Bush administration order fighters to shoot down Flight 93, and did Bush know about it?

A. The 9/11 Commission said that it was about 10 a.m. when Cheney - running the White House command center because Bush had been speaking at a Florida elementary school - was told that a hijacked plane was 80 miles away and was asked for military authority to shoot it down.

Joshua Bolten, the aide who is now White House chief of staff, testified that he suggested that Cheney reconfirm that order with Bush, and the two top officials and other aides said such a call had been made.

But according to a June 24, 2004, article in Newsweek, "some on the [9/11] commission staff were, in fact, highly skeptical of the vice president's account and made their views clearer in an earlier draft of their staff report. According to one knowledgeable source, some staffers 'flat out didn't believe the call ever took place.' "

Some have even speculated this issue is why Bush and Cheney took the unusual step of testifying jointly to the 9/11 Commission.

Q. Who was flying the fast-moving, low-flying white jet that was seen by a dozen or more Shanksville residents just seconds after Flight 93 crashed?

A. After several accounts, the government and a supporting 2005 article in Popular Mechanics said the mystery jet had been a Dassault Falcon 20 business jet owned by the VF Corp., a North Carolina clothing firm. The magazine said the jet was descending into Johnstown Airport and circled the crash site at the request of the Federal Aviation Administration.

The plane was seen by about a dozen witnesses, including Susan McElwain, who told Britain's Daily Mirror in 2002: "It had two rear engines, a big fin on the back like a spoiler on the back of a car and two upright fins at the side... . It definitely wasn't one of those executive jets." Several residents said the plane resembled the military's A-10 Warthog.

Q. Why haven't we heard cockpit recordings nor seen the flight-data recording from the other three flights?

A. Government agencies have insisted that the "black boxes" (actually orange) found at the Pentagon were too badly damaged, while the four in New York were never recovered, which was a first.

However, the Daily News reported in 2004 that two Ground Zero rescue workers claimed they helped the FBI recover three of the four "black boxes" there. Last year, Philadelphia free-lance writer Dave Lindorff reported that a National Transportation Safety Board source told him: "Off the record, we had the boxes. You'd have to get the official word from the FBI as to where they are, but we worked on them here."

[snowflake]

Noel,
9/11 researcher extraordinaire Jim Hoffman has produced a fabulous flyer on Flight 93 issues. It can be seen and downloaded here:
http://911research.wtc7.net/materials/flight93/index.html

I leafletted in front of two theaters last night and my sense is that the movie will be a flop. The most popular showing time on opening night at a 300-capacity theater drew perhaps 50 people by my rough counting. So a poll to have it 'pulled' may not be necessary, in addition to the fact that it would indeed deprive us activist types of opportunities to get the word out.

Nora

[Wokeman]

Jerry Mazza | May 3 2006

Why would anyone make a 9/11 movie based on a number of cell and air phone calls that might have been scientifically impossible on September 11, 2001, simply because the technology couldn’t handle calls of that distance, six to seven miles up.

Well, they made Flight 93 because the calls were used as spin-evidence that a band of brave Americans fought off a smaller vicious band of terrorists, when in fact the entire event is surrounded in a mire of questions? Like the once-quarried bog that supposedly swallowed Flight 93’s 757 in a grassy field near Shanksville, Pennsylvania, leaving a smoking hole, grave deep, some 20 by 10 feet wide, and little else.

But maybe the “why” can be answered in part by “who” made Flight 93. It arrived packaged and promoted by Universal Studios, which is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns NBC, which is all owned by General Electric, media giant and major weapons contractor. What’s more according to la.indymedia.org, General Electric donated $1.1 million to GW Bush for his 2000 election “run.” MSNBC is an NBC joint venture with MS or Microsoft that kicked in $2.4 million to get GW Bush elected. Now, where do you think the movie’s point of view is coming from?

Also, Flight 93’s patriotic spin landed before the sentencing of Zaccharias Moussaoui, who has been thrust in the role of scapegoat for the entire 9/11 debacle, even though he was in jail at the time. So we have a little multi-media propaganda to stir up the jury and America’s misguided rage. There are no accidents in the world of US government spin.

Flight 93 the movie also lands in the middle of Robert DeNiro’s prestigious Tribeca Film Festival although its hangar is the uptown 1,000 seat Ambassador Theater. Spare no expense. Has DeNiro the once Raging Bull turned into one of the corporate Goodfellas? Or doesn’t he read books or surf the web?

Was it love for New York and hate of the 9/11 event blinding him to see who really sat behind the controls of the whole op? Hey, Bobby, we love you, but wise up. You’re traveling with bad faces. This gang makes the Mulberry Street guys look like Boy Scouts.

In all fairness, I realize DeNiro holds an honest commitment to Independent film-making (though this is hardly an Indy). And he has a deep commitment to Tribeca and New York, in which he lives, has his Film Center and Tribeca Grille. After 9/11 he kept it open as long as possible to preserve jobs, even though the area was devastated by the attack. As soon as he could, he reopened the expensive restaurant. He is, I believe, a stand-up if not misguided guy.

Did DeNiro realize the film he was endorsing lands story-wise right next to the government myth? That Flight 93, a United Airlines Boeing 767 departing 45 minutes late from Newark was hijacked on route to San Francisco. Somewhere near Cleveland, it made a sharp left to southeast, heading conceivably towards the White House or the Capitol (bye bye Congress, bye bye Mrs. Bush, I think I’m gonna di-ie).

But on board, as the myth goes, said brave set of passengers challenged the hijackers, fighting gallantly, but losing ultimately as the pilot lost control of the giant plane. Then its 46 passengers, including four terrorists, and more than 11,000 gallons of fuel, hit the ground that supposedly covered an old quarry. And so the plane vanished into the rabbit hole, not burning aboveground, just smoking, smoking. But you know, where’s there’s smoke there’s fire, enough to evaporate the plane, the passengers, the engines, etcetera, etcetera, bs.

In fact, does DeNiro know there was no plane left to see when nearby residents and first responders arrived? See at it the link above, folks. No engines, fuselage, luggage, bodies in the 20 feet long by 10 feet wide grave, not a particularly large area for such a large plane. Only this confetti-shower of itsy bitsy pieces was left.

Enter David Griffin and The New Pearl Harbor

But then we have one of the most important 9/11 books, David Griffin’s, The New Pearl Harbor – Disturbing Questions about the Bush Administration and 9/11. Griffin is a professor of philosophy and religion at the Claremont School of Theology in California for over 30 years. He also is the author and editor of more than 20 books, a fastidiously scrupulous and honest scholar, not a writer of blockbusters, though The New Pearl Harbor became one simply because of its amazing array of factual and logical thinking that contradicted the 9/11 myth, including Flight 93.

In Chapter Three, pages 49-55, Griffin presents us with a very different scenario. It amounts to the fact that numerous eyewitnesses saw two F-16’s tailing Flight 93 minutes before it went down, at 10:06, which time was arrived at by a seismic study. That is not 10:03, the official time, which leaves the last three minutes off the cockpit recorder tape, the most important part, what’s said as it hits. Subsequent to 9/11, Griffin also reports, the government released flight controller transcripts, except for Flight 93.

Again, according to eye-witness reports in Chapter Three, one of the F-16s moved closer and fired, once, then twice, what were probably two sidewinder missiles, thump, thump, and boom, one of them catching at least one of the huge engines and the “plane dropped,” someone said, “like a stone.”

Someone else heard “a loud bang” and then saw the plane’s right wing dip, and then 93 plunged to earth. A Vietnam vet said, he “heard a missile,” which sound he was familiar with. In fact, the multiple accounts add up to a missile strike. By our own planes, and then a fly-over the site by a smaller white plane, military-looking, with two rear engines and a spoiler tail. Is that box office, baby? I don’t think so. Or maybe it is. Maybe people would like to see the truth or an opposing view, like LooseChange2.

Also, Griffin refers to Paul Thompson’s Timeline, in which witnesses saw burning debris fall from the plane “as far as eight miles away, with workers at Indian Lake Marina saying that they saw ‘a cloud of confetti-like debris descend on the lake and nearby farms minutes after hearing the explosion.’” Also this debris, along with human remains, was found again as far as eight miles from the site. Also the debris fell from the sky, not exploded upward out of the hole.

What’s more Griffin tells us “an F-15 pilot was told that a military F-16 had shot a fourth airliner in Pennsylvania.” Even Paul “the Wolf” Wolfowitz said “the Air Force was tracking the hijacked plane that crashed in Pennsylvania . . . and had been in a position to bring it down if necessary.” Apparently it was necessary to some people. Would they be Dick Cheney and Connie Rice, calling the shots in the White House and then its basement bunker?

Were those scenes in the movie, the fireball in air and the parts falling, or Cheney and Rice in the White House? And were those eyewitnesses mentioned by Griffin and Thompson considered misguided, blind or on acid? This film poses as totally “factual.” In Hollywood that may have a slightly different meaning.

Also, was it mentioned that were five parallel terror-hijacking drills going on that day that siphoned off planes to defend New York City or Washington, DC and that filled air controllers’ screens with some 22 planes? This was not an accident but an unbelievably, well planned mega-ops, with all the usual participants to round up: NORAD, DOD, Pentagon, The White House CIA, FBI, etc.

Were the ‘Good Guys” Shot Down for Winning?

And, even if one buys in to the passenger revolt on F 93, could it be that the real reason the hit was necessary was because the good guys on the plane were taking the bad guys and the plane would land safely? And maybe the bad guys then would spill the beans about whom they were working for, like the US government. Aha. Sure, boss, we made the deal with the devil. Can I go home now?

Or, we have the more patriotic reason, I mean relatively speaking, that the plane was about to leap towards the White House or the Capitol and flatten one or the other. And lord, what would we do without the White House? And what would we do without the robot Congress about to give Bush cart blanche to declare and spend, spend, spend on the War on Terror, attacking Afghanistan, eventually Iraq illegally, naming Bin Laden as Perp in Chief (and never catching him), Georgie walking away clean as a whistle with his goat book, at least for a while?

And curiously Flight 93’s demise made celebs of lots of people, including local coroner Wally Miller, flight victim Todd (Let’s Roll) Beamer, and his wife Lisa [who was on the ground], later summoned to the White House for agit prop purposes. Also elevated to star status were victims Tom Burnett, Mark Bingham and Jeremy Glick, all whose souls should rest in peace, no question, though many other victims’ families resented not being recognized nearly as much as the others.

And just like real unreal life the movie Flight 93 will now make stars out of its fairy tale actors and actresses and director. So what, right? That’s entertainment. Who’s getting hurt? Who knows, but one of my spies tells me "Flight 93" gets blasted on Universal's own blog. She adds another quote “Think this film will be the 2006 contender for some type of Leni Riefenstahl Propaganda Film Awards?” Hey, anything’s possible, especially with the goose-steppers.

I mean things were very convivial at the opening. Lots of media coverage. People had a good time, including victims' family members. I suppose they deserved to. Nobody hung their head mumbling bs. Well, maybe just a few guys from the 9/11 movement who knew better, and were trying to spread the word without getting their heads bashed in by security or the cops.

But hey, what do they know, scruffy sign carriers, pamphlets in hand, like flower kids sticking daisies in rifles at the Pentagon way back when. Remember grandma? Only then we had, Apocalypse Now, Marty Sheen [father of Charley Sheen], Brando, and Robert Duvall, saying, “You know what I love? The smell of napalm in the morning. It smells like . . . victory.”

Right, only Flight 93 the film and those behind its propaganda, and those behind that stink of diesel fuel and explosives they made that horrible blue morning, have more crooked angles to them than cinematographer Gregg Toland shooting Citizen Kane, the fictional portrayal of media mogul, yellow press boss, William Randolph Hearst. And you can take that to the bank, Bob. And not for nothin, my fellow I
talo-American, find out what really happened, by clicking the blue words.

[planetfrog]

The official Flight 93 forums now been taken down BUT Rotten Tomatoes.com is now experiencing the same :

check it out here http://www.rottentomatoes.com/vine/forumdisplay.php?f=101156482


Roll on 911Truth !

[TimmyG]

i just came here to post about flight 93 forums too!

if this doesn't confirm the government has something to hide i don't know what does

[Graham]

the United board seems to have gone. everything!

http://www.universalpictures.com/forum/index.php

[orestes]

I thnk we should all pat ourselves on the back. Good job people.

[Andrew Johnson]

Isn't it fun documenting the desperation of the PTB!

[Keith Mothersson]

I figure it doesn't have to be very big, even a little A6 slip would do the job if well written.
One of the best sources of info for anyone wanting to draft it might be
a fine Global Research Feature Article, "United 93": What Happened on the Planes?
by Michel Chossudovsky

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=CHO200 60501&articleId=2356

911 Commission Report:
More Holes in the Official Story: The 9/11 Cell Phone Calls
by Michel Chossudovsky
(original date of publication) www.globalresearch.ca 10 August 2004

Anyone want to have a go?, we could finance it by a whip round if necessary; and/or have black and white leaflets for printing out ourselves locally and photocopying them at 5p a sheet (= 1.25 p per leaflet if A6).

cheers, Keith

[prole art threat]

[andrewwatson]

For me, the most suspicious thing of all in this whole dirty business is the way in which argument and discussion is simply obliterated - 'silversteined' - I like it.

If it's true that Michael Moore, when asked for a comment on the NORAD stand-down, said that to do so would be 'un-American' , I am speechless.

Having said that , we have to be very careful we do not show the same paranoia about genuine questions and doubts that arise during the course of the debate. And the debate should go on. Without abandoning the general principle of government complicity and/or foreknowledge of 9/11, there is room for disagreement about the details.

While doing battle on the United forum, I came across a number of 'debunking the conspiracies' sites in addition to 911 myths which we are all familiar with.

Here is one: http://www.geocities.com/debunking911/pull.htm

When I raised the question on the US YBBS forum of whether wtc7 did, in fact fall
'straight down' as Professor Steven Jones has said, or was leaning towards to the South when it fell, I was told that I should go somewhere else to have that sort of discussion and that I was attacking Jones personally.

Now I have an unshakeable conviction that Jones is right and building 7 was demolished, but just by saying so isn't going to prove anything. We need to be able and willing to stare the truth in the face and admit when there is still uncertainty, and for me there are a few small worries about the Controlled Demolition hypothesis - Jones's own term - which must be faced if we are to win the argument - as we must.

What we really need is a 'debunking the debunkers ' site, which was what I was after from Andrew a few days ago. We need clear rebuttals of ALL their quibbles, some of which are stupid and some not .

[flamesong]

[Sinclair]

From the The Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press website here: http://www.rcfp.org/moussaoui/index.php
there are details of the recent Moussaoui trial exhibits and documents, which include these details of Flight 93:

There is also a lot of other evidence presented in the trial, including previously unreleased photos etc. etc.

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Photograph of the scene in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, where Flight 93 crashed.



Photograph of the scene in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, where Flight 93 crashed.



Photograph of the scene in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, where Flight 93 crashed.



Photograph of an airplane part found in the crater at the scene in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, where Flight 93 crashed.



Photograph of an airplane part found at the scene in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, where Flight 93 crashed.



Photograph of an airplane part found at the scene in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, where Flight 93 crashed.



Photograph of debris found at the scene in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, where Flight 93 crashed.



Photograph of debris found at the scene in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, where Flight 93 crashed



Photograph of the cockpit voice recorder found at the scene in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, where Flight 93 crashed.




Photograph of the flight data recorder found at the scene in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, where Flight 93 crashed.


My comments:

Notice the lack of plane in any of the aerial shots

The ‘airplane parts’ could easily/readily have been placed there.

The ‘debris’ pics are a joke &

How convenient that the ‘cockpit voice recorder’ was found at the scene, to corroborate the heroic US Patriotic ‘Let’s Roll’ fantasy, the essence of the Flight 93 film .

The film is to reinforce the 911 * story amongst those who have forgotten how blagged they were by the Official 911 story in the first place.


I suggest 911 Truth leafleting/DVD’ing of cinemas when the film opens in your town…………..

[freddie]

Yep, all gone!

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2006/040506admitsdefeat.htm

Seems like that was just a little too much heat for Universal Studios to contain. So if you can't contain it, why not just delete it, pop it down the memory hole and pretend it never happened.

[Sinclair]

Just bumping this thread in case anyone hadn't seen the photos in the previous post.

Maybe some of these pics could be used in a flyer for compilation & distribution when the fairytale film opens here in the UK.

Does anyone want to have a go at a suitable flyer? We can then knock it into shape for a finalised version.

I've attached a copy of a flyer I did for the Condi Rice Demo. The text maybe needs making more specific with regard to the anomalies of Flight 93.

I can PM the Word Doc to anyone interested in having a go at editing. Otherwise if anyone is willing to provide any ideas/suggestions, I will have a go myself.

Let's make the release of the fantasy film an opportunity to further the truth.

[Newspeak International]

You've answered your own question there Wokeman,and it's pretty much spot on as far as can be speculated.

[andrewwatson]

Poor Paul Greengrass. He will forever be consigned by history to the Leni Riefenstahl category of film-makers who got off on the myth and tried to turn it into reality. His movie will be required viewing for students of disinformation technique.

[Wokeman]

"Spycatcher - The Candid Autobiography of a Senior Intelligence Officer" was published by Viking Penguin in New York in 1987 and written by Peter Wright, a former Assistant Director of the British Security Service (MI5). It was also written "with Paul Greengrass" (who presumably ghosted it). Can it be the same Paul Greengrass who directed "Flight 93", I wonder?

[Ally]

It's the same lying Greengrass that was involved with Spycatcher.

Similar fake opposition set up as Milan writing a book on Iraq before him releasing his latest ugly lie about 7/7.

[Dog]

It is, of course, just feasible that De Niro's hosting of the film will put it further into the spotlight...for very different reasons.

If 9/11 was a self-inflicted wound, then the release of United 93 shows every sign of being a disastrous shot in it's own foot. Rather than successfully re-affirming the official account, the film has attracted greater awareness to the dissenting voices and the promotion of alternative, more plausible scenarios.

Each showing will enable truth-seekers everywhere to make their feelings known, hand out written material, and potentially attract the kind of publicity the producers hadn't quite hoped for.

A classic own goal.

De Niro may in fact be far more cunning than it might appear.

[xmasdale]

[Sinclair]

Saw this )pasted below) from a link in comments at the excellent Rigorous Intuition Blog

Interesting stuff going on there now regarding the recent resignation of CIA headman Porter Goss.
I'd also recommend the discussion board ....

Bush calls terror fight WWIII
From: Agence France-Presse From correspondents in Washington
May 06, 2006
US President George W. Bush has said the September 11 revolt of passengers against their hijackers on board Flight 93 had struck the first blow of "World War III".

In an interview with the financial news network CNBC, Mr Bush said he had yet to see the recently released film of the uprising, a dramatic portrayal of events on the United Airlines plane before it crashed in a Pennsylvania field.
But he said he agreed with the description of David Beamer, whose son Todd died in the crash, who in a Wall Street Journal commentary last month called it "our first successful counter-attack in our homeland in this new global war, World War III".

Mr Bush said: "I believe that. I believe that it was the first counter-attack to World War III.
"It was, it was unbelievably heroic of those folks on the airplane to recognize the danger and save lives," he said.

Flight 93 crashed on the morning of September 11, 2001, killing the 33 passengers, seven crew members and four hijackers, after passengers stormed the cockpit and battled the hijackers for control of the aircraft.


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The president has repeatedly praised the heroism of the passengers in fighting back and so launching the first blow of what he usually calls the "war on terror".
In 2002, then-White House spokesman Ari Fleischer explicitly declined to call the hunt for Osama bin Laden's Al-Qaeda group and its followers "World War III"