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Stefan
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 Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 5:39 pm Post subject: Re: Professionalism |
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| ianrcrane wrote: | Scubadiver wrote; | Quote: | | though I think their intentions are honourable, it seems too professional to me. It doesn't feel right. |
What is wrong with something being produced on a 'professional' basis? This is the kind of mindset which condemns the truth movement to be forever stuck in church halls or the back room of a pub! 'Professional' doesn't necessarily have to mean big budget ... just well produced and well presented. An end result which usually requires a team of well motivated people to combine their respective skills to achieve a desired end result.
Unfortunately I have to agree with the observation that the goal of 900 people attending the Kevin Barratt event is extremely ambitious but I applaud the initiative.
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I'm with you on the proffessionalism issue. I don't see why if we have the talent and ability to present our selves well then we shouldn't. I think in the context of an event you're taken more seriously if you make the effort to present things well.
I agree with Andy that they seem to be incredibly naive and over-optimistic to book a venue that large.
I stand by my comments that Kevin Barratt is no good to the truth movement, there are many better figures they could have flown in.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 6:43 pm Post subject: Re: Professionalism |
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Remarkable lack of tolerance for the necessary plurality of approaches.
Have you made any attempt to alert the organisers to your concerns?
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I'm with you on the professionalism issue. I don't see why if we have the talent and ability to present our selves well then we shouldn't. I think in the context of an event you're taken more seriously if you make the effort to present things well.
I agree with Andy that they seem to be incredibly naive and over-optimistic to book a venue that large.
I stand by my comments that Kevin Barratt is no good to the truth movement, there are many better figures they could have flown in. |
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ianrcrane
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Stefan wrote: | Quote: | | ... there are many better figures they could have flown in. |
But it's not your event is it, Stefan? However, you are at liberty to organise your own events where you could fly in whomever you so desired!
Tragically, Stefan's comment epitomises what remains of the UK 9/11 Truth Movement. Quick to criticise the initiatives of others but slow to actually take any initiative themselves.
If you have a vision for getting the Truth out, spend less time bitchin' & whingein' ... and more time doin'.
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Stefan
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EDIT: I'm deleting this as it's not productive
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Stefan
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| Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 10:18 am Post subject: Re: Professionalism |
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| Whitehall_Bin_Men wrote: | Remarkable lack of tolerance for the necessary plurality of approaches.
Have you made any attempt to alert the organisers to your concerns?
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Yes I do have an intollerance for the promotion of no plaes theory, beam weapons, holocaust denial and all sorts of other nonsense in the name of 9/11 truth. I don't mind admitting that.
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ianrcrane
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| Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 12:00 pm Post subject: WAC Arrogance |
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If you have a vision for getting the Truth out, spend less time bitchin' & whingein' ... and more time doin'.
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Yes that's what I do. That's what I've been doing consistently with almost all my free time for the last three years of my life.
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Then with all due respect you should perhaps consider either offering encouragement to the initiatives of others or at the very least refrain from criticising them.
You will recall that some months ago I invited We Are Change to showcase their work at the recent AV2 event. An invitation that neither yourself nor the other two recipients had the courtesy to respond to. This opportunity would have presented We are Change to reach out to 400+ delegates, the majority of whom were not members of the traditional 9/11 choir.
Indeed, I used an extract of the WAC YouTube 'interview' with Ed & David Milliband during my AV2 presentation. I can assure you that I gave full credit to WAC for this clip and encouraged the audience to take a look at other WAC YouTube posts.
I may not agree with the limited perspective of We Are Change or the philosophical arrogance of the WAC inner sanctum but would prefer to engender an atmosphere of mutual tolerance amongst those endeavouring to encourage people to explore beyond the veil of deceit and obfuscation.
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Stefan
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| Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 12:10 pm Post subject: Re: WAC Arrogance |
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| ianrcrane wrote: | | Quote: | Quote:
If you have a vision for getting the Truth out, spend less time bitchin' & whingein' ... and more time doin'.
Stefan responded:
Yes that's what I do. That's what I've been doing consistently with almost all my free time for the last three years of my life.
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Then with all due respect you should perhaps consider either offering encouragement to the initiatives of others or at the very least refrain from criticising them.
You will recall that some months ago I invited We Are Change to showcase their work at the recent AV2 event. An invitation that neither yourself nor the other two recipients had the courtesy to respond to. This opportunity would have presented We are Change to reach out to 400+ delegates, the majority of whom were not members of the traditional 9/11 choir.
Indeed, I used an extract of the WAC YouTube 'interview' with Ed & David Milliband during my AV2 presentation. I can assure you that I gave full credit to WAC for this clip and encouraged the audience to take a look at other WAC YouTube posts.
I may not agree with the limited perspective of We Are Change or the philosophical arrogance of the WAC inner sanctum but would prefer to engender an atmosphere of mutual tolerance amongst those endeavouring to encourage people to explore beyond the veil of deceit and obfuscation.
Ian R Crane |
I'd just deleted what you're responding to before seing your reply; I don't want to get into an unproductive pissing match.
The bottom line is I do not agree that we should offer encouragement to anything that claims to be 9/11 Truth. I offer encouragement to things I think will be productive to our aims to make people aware that what they are told happened on 9/11 did not, and finding out what did. I oppose things which could detract from those aims.
If the event is to bring a man who has promoted some of the most discrediting hoax theory proponents, and holocaust denial, and placing him next to the lead scientist of the most important paper chronicaling the most important evidence we have then yes I do have some severe reservations. It will asociate the best of 9/11 with the worse of it, and muddy the waters.
And I have a perfect right to express those reservations, and I feel a responsibility to as well.
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Now now fellas
Matthew 5:9-10
9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
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fish5133
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Blurb looks ok to me. Whilst i too may heve serious reservations over NPT , TV Fakery and damage to 911truth there is a difference between promoting it and mentioning it. If handled correctly its the bottom line thats most important and thats the "collapse" of WTCs 1,2,7 were impossible without some other energy source than plane impact and fire.
Hopefully we will be having Kevin Barrett speaking at another venue and as organisers we can carefully balance any thing we feel is too one sided.
I presume (having never been in one) in a court of law evidence is put forward and carefully considered some dismissed and other as being seen as compelling of guilt.
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Exploring Evidence
July 7th 2009, Logan Hall, London
Nearly eight years have passed since the momentous event known all over the world quite simply as nine-eleven. With the change of administration in the United States it may be time to look more closely at the factors contributing to the collapse of three buildings on the site in Manhattan, two of which were struck by aeroplanes and one which was not.
Professional organisations both in the United States and Europe have cast doubts that steel buildings could collapse so fast after being hit by aluminium aeroplanes. In and between polls show that over 60% of the american population believe that the events were perpetrated by non-terrorist organisations. Exploring evidence are two internationally renowned experts on the World Trade Center catastrophe:
Professor Niels Harrit is an expert in Chemistry, he holds an Associate Professorship at The University of Copenhagen. Prof. Harrit has been studying the debris found at ground zero for traces of substances which may explain the extraordinary collapses of the twin towers and building seven. A new scientific paper has just been released which clearly shows that it must have been more than aeroplanes that caused the collapse of the buildings. This is the first time that Prof. Harrit has presented his latest findings in the English Speaking World.
Dr. Kevin Barrett is an expert in lingusitics, teaching recently at the University of Wisconsin, he has applied these skills to deconstruct the media facade presented to the general public to explain the collapses of the buildings and construct an enemy in the form of “Islam”. Already a well known author thanks to his first book “Truth Jihad” Dr. Barrett is releasing his second book relating to 9/11; Questioning The War on Terror: A Primer For Obama Voters. This will be the only public engagement for Dr. Barrett in London this year.
By exploring evidence included in the official story and comparing this with detailed scientific evidence which has not been widely publicised the speakers will use their specialised academic skills to question the validity of what we know about the events of September 11th 2001 and the effects of the policies resulting from the interpretation of this event. Potential answers to the questions brought about by detailed scientific analysis will be discussed, thus allowing listeners to form fuller opinions about 9/11 for themselves.
This event is ideal for anyone who would like to understand the World Trade Center Catastrophe in terms of what must have happened in a physical sense and the day-to-day consequences of the current official interpretation of events. The speakers will introduce materials not currently discussed in mainstream media - this will be the only major event where 9/11 is put under professional scrutiny - tickets are expected to sell fast - book now to be sure of attending.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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Change of venue, change of price, change of speaker. With Kevin barrett unable to come over Prof Niels Harrit will be speaking about unreacted Thermite he discovered in dust from the 3 WTCs
The event will now take place at the Corney & Barrow, Jewry Street, just opposite Aldgate tube, next to Boots on the opposite side of the street
Tickets £10 IMO worth supporting for a tenner.
http://www.exploringevidence.co.uk/
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The point I was trying to make with my original message is that why would people want to pay £20 to hear a "crazy conspiracy theorist" when they have far better things (so they would believe) to be getting on with.
Anyway, WAC promote free access to information which I agree with or, IMO, at least to charge money but with the intention of not making a profit.
How did it go?
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 3:06 pm Post subject: Nanothermite Paper Reviewer vouches for Harrit's paper |
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http://impactglassman.blogspot.com/2010/09/911-truth-evidence-of-energ etic.html
The reviewer of Harrit's Nanothermite paper is...
| Quote: | David L Griscom
San Carlos, Sonora, Mexico
Ph.D. in Physics, Brown University, 1966. Fellow, American Physical Society. Fellow, American Association for the Advancement of Science. Fellow, American Ceramic Society. Member, Geological Society of America. Research Physicist at Naval Research Laboratory (NRL), Washington, DC, 1967-2001. Fulbright-García Robles Fellow at Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México, 1997. Invited Professor of Research at Universités de Paris-6 & 7, Lyon-1, et St-Etienne (France) and Tokyo Institute of Technology, 2000-2004. Adjunct Professor of Materials Science and Engineering, University of Arizona, 2004-2005. Principal author, 109 papers in peer-reviewed journals and books. Consultancy: impactGlass research international, 2005-present. |
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| Quote: | | ...The 2009 publication in The Open Chemical Physics Journal (TOCPJ) of a fabulous paper by Harrit et al. entitled “Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe” Some disparagers of the 9/11 Truth movement have alleged that TOCPJ is a place on the web where anybody can buy a publication without peer review. Absolutely false! I know this because I was one of the referees of the Harrit et al. paper. The editors asked for my opinion. And after about two weeks of studying what the authors had written, checking relevant references, and gathering my thoughts, I finally provided my advice to authors in 12 single-spaced pages, together with my recommendation to the Editors that they publish the paper after the authors had considered my suggestions. Still, some skeptical readers may ask how anyone can rate a scientific paper as “fabulous.” Well, I am the principal author of 109 papers (and a co-author of an additional 81) in peer-review journals. And have refereed a least 600, and possibly as many as 1000, manuscripts. So you would be right in calling me an aficionado of articles published in scientific journals. And I found absolutely nothing to criticize in the final version of the Harrit et al. paper! Apropos, twelve of my own publications have appeared in the American Institute of Physics’ Journal of Chemical Physics (an old fashioned paper journal), so it is accurate to say that chemical physics (of inorganic materials) is my main specialty |
Prof Steven Jones responds to Griscom's blog here
http://911blogger.com/news/2010-12-02/peer-reviewer-active-thermitic-m aterials-paper-identifies-himself-great
| Quote: | As one of the authors of this paper, I can say that Prof. Griscom's twelve pages of review were very well thought-out and required us to do considerable further work on the paper, which improved the final version significantly...
...I should also add that I have never met Prof. Griscom personally and that I just learned of his blog disclosing himself as a peer-reviewer today.
I wish to extend a warm welcome to Prof. Griscom to the 9/11 truth-seeking community, as he speaks out in his blog. He strikes me as a solid and creative scientist who can contribute much to our effort. I am excited that he has spoken out in his blog. |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 12:58 am Post subject: niels harritt |
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good idea. can we all try to raise some funds towards this?
maybe each local area could?
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