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chipmunk stew
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| gordon wrote: | 1/2 X mass X velocity^2 = a huge amount of energy
Sounds simple.
But,
1/2 X mass1 X velocity1^2 = a huge amount1 of available energy
1/2 X mass2 X velocity2^2 = a huge amount2 of unexpended energy
Actual energy used = huge amount1 - huge amount2 = Energy used for all demands in the collapse.
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A thermite reaction is a type of aluminothermic reaction in which aluminium metal is oxidized by the oxide of another metal, most commonly iron oxide. The name thermite is also used to refer to a mixture of two such chemicals. The products are aluminium oxide, free elemental iron, and a large amount of heat. The reactants are commonly powdered and mixed with a binder to keep the material solid and prevent separation. However, when jet fuel is introduced along with compressed air, such as in an airplane, the proponents of the jet fuel cells, and compressed air, upon impact, lend enough heat to raise the temperature to over 660 degrees, way past the melting point of thermite.
Thermite expolsives are very volotile and are triggered by heat for ingnition. Hypothetically i guess were saying were using military standard therimite explosives which conventionally use Magnesium strips for detonation. So could anyone explain how a expolsives placed so near to the point of impact as to make it look realsitically like the towers collapsed due to the impact, were not however detonated by a plane hitting them, which could of been carrying up to 48,445 U.S. gal (183,380 L) in aviation fuel. anyone?
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chipmunk stew
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| DaveyJ wrote: | A thermite reaction is a type of aluminothermic reaction in which aluminium metal is oxidized by the oxide of another metal, most commonly iron oxide. The name thermite is also used to refer to a mixture of two such chemicals. The products are aluminium oxide, free elemental iron, and a large amount of heat. The reactants are commonly powdered and mixed with a binder to keep the material solid and prevent separation. However, when jet fuel is introduced along with compressed air, such as in an airplane, the proponents of the jet fuel cells, and compressed air, upon impact, lend enough heat to raise the temperature to over 660 degrees, way past the melting point of thermite.
Thermite expolsives are very volotile and are triggered by heat for ingnition. Hypothetically i guess were saying were using military standard therimite explosives which conventionally use Magnesium strips for detonation. So could anyone explain how a expolsives placed so near to the point of impact as to make it look realsitically like the towers collapsed due to the impact, were not however detonated by a plane hitting them, which could of been carrying up to 48,445 U.S. gal (183,380 L) in aviation fuel. anyone? |
I believe "sol-gel" casing is the theory du jour. |
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Right, as far as i can research, "Sol Gel" casing is used to create thin cermaic membranes for wire coating. it is however very thin and very brittle. So the chances that impact and resulting debri wouldnt reupture on of the cases is comfortably within the margin of impossible. but also, while it is heat restiant, it does conduct heat after being exposed to intense fires, the fires in the trade centres well almost 3/4 of the melting point of hardened kiln formed ceramics. The towers stood standing for nearly an hour after impact, there is no way any Thermite based explosive, however well protected could of remained unaffected for just under and hour.
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chipmunk stew
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| DaveyJ wrote: | | Right, as far as i can research, "Sol Gel" casing is used to create thin cermaic membranes for wire coating. it is however very thin and very brittle. So the chances that impact and resulting debri wouldnt reupture on of the cases is comfortably within the margin of impossible. but also, while it is heat restiant, it does conduct heat after being exposed to intense fires, the fires in the trade centres well almost 3/4 of the melting point of hardened kiln formed ceramics. The towers stood standing for nearly an hour after impact, there is no way any Thermite based explosive, however well protected could of remained unaffected for just under and hour. |
There's also no satisfactory mechanism proposed for triggering and delivering the thermite in such a way that it would cut across box-shaped columns. Thermite reactions typically rely on gravity for directionality--that is, they only cut downward.
I've heard it rumored that Steven Jones has come up with some sort of casing (which I think is where the sol-gel hypothesis comes from) that would deliver the thermite at an angle across the columns. Unfortunately, there would have to be hundreds, if not thousands of them, and if they can survive a thermite reaction, surely some would have survived the collapse. Mounting them would also pose a problem (how do you mount them in such a way that the mounting survives the thermite reaction?) And of course there's the fact that this method has never been used and Jones hasn't demonstrated that it could work. Seems awfully complicated and risky, and next to impossible to execute with any kind of precision--too many variables to worry about. The thermite hypothesis is absurd. |
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| chipmunk stew wrote: | | DaveyJ wrote: | | Right, as far as i can research, "Sol Gel" casing is used to create thin cermaic membranes for wire coating. it is however very thin and very brittle. So the chances that impact and resulting debri wouldnt reupture on of the cases is comfortably within the margin of impossible. but also, while it is heat restiant, it does conduct heat after being exposed to intense fires, the fires in the trade centres well almost 3/4 of the melting point of hardened kiln formed ceramics. The towers stood standing for nearly an hour after impact, there is no way any Thermite based explosive, however well protected could of remained unaffected for just under and hour. |
There's also no satisfactory mechanism proposed for triggering and delivering the thermite in such a way that it would cut across box-shaped columns. Thermite reactions typically rely on gravity for directionality--that is, they only cut downward.
I've heard it rumored that Steven Jones has come up with some sort of casing (which I think is where the sol-gel hypothesis comes from) that would deliver the thermite at an angle across the columns. Unfortunately, there would have to be hundreds, if not thousands of them, and if they can survive a thermite reaction, surely some would have survived the collapse. Mounting them would also pose a problem (how do you mount them in such a way that the mounting survives the thermite reaction?) And of course there's the fact that this method has never been used and Jones hasn't demonstrated that it could work. Seems awfully complicated and risky, and next to impossible to execute with any kind of precision--too many variables to worry about. The thermite hypothesis is absurd. |
Ah but the whole bloody CT is already absurd and that hasn't slowed anyone down. They're all having far too much fun being identified as "truthseekers" to let a few facts go and spoil the party....
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