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Johnny Pixels
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| prole art threat wrote: | | Johnny Pixels wrote: |
Yeah, I know. But why does he tell us and then try to cover it up again? |
I dunno, ring him up and ask him.  |
So you think this is all part of some master plan? Let's see, we've got the two options
1) Continue to not say anything
2) Tell everyone, and then commit some heinous crime to cover it up again
Which of those takes the least effort, and requires the least amount of money? (Seeing as we're trying to steal money here, not spend it)
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Ignatz wrote: | | prole art threat wrote: | For your benefit, Pixels, here is Rumsfeld's quote:
""According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions," Rumsfeld admitted.
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If those are his exact words then he could just be admitting their accounting system is crappy.
p.s. lovely new avatar, prole. It's now a pleasure to view your posts.
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Why thankyou Ignatz.  Come on though, Ignatz, we are not just talking about a few thousand dollars here or even millions, or even billlions! You would have thought they would have been able to afford an acounting system that wass able to add up. Even if they were counting on their fingers, such a gaping financial anomaly would have been blatant.
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| I hear they're planning on fitting the next generation of guns and artillery with a special counter that keeps track of how many bullets are fired for accounting purposes |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:10 am Post subject: |
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| kc wrote: | | I hear they're planning on fitting the next generation of guns and artillery with a special counter that keeps track of how many bullets are fired for accounting purposes |
They must be fukking sshit shots if they are spending 2.3 trillion on chuffing bullets.
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Well, irrespective of suggestions of a 911 connection, I'm sure all Americans should be TOTALLY OUTRAGED that their enormous killing machine eats up such huge amounts of money in such an unaccountable way. Image if a fraction of that cash went on welfare or procuring a halfway civilised healthcare system like the one we USED to have.
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The US defence budget for 2006 is $466 billion, so how can $2.3 trillion have been swallowed up in only 3 or four years?
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Well, what is the exact supposed time period this covers? Also, it's not exact - it's a 'some estimates' figure - other sources refer to a piddling 1 trillion.
Anyway, Donald Rumsfeld said it. so I suppose he's the guy to ask.
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At any rate, it's simply amazing how Americans get such terrible 'value for money' out of all those tax dollars spent on
a/killing people
b/figuring out new and improved ways of killing people
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| wobbler wrote: | At any rate, it's simply amazing how Americans get such terrible 'value for money' out of all those tax dollars spent on
a/killing people
b/figuring out new and improved ways of killing people |
Agreed, even if 1 million went missing is still shameful when there are so many people who cant even afford adequate health cover.
| Quote: | | The US defence budget for 2006 is $466 billion |
Think about this amount of alll this tax payers money. This is the finest example of unintelligence you will ever be presented with. How could such a budget allow what happened on 9/11?
It is not a defence project, it is an 'OFFENCE BUDGET'!
It is a budget that wages war on it's own citizens in the form of stealing their money in the first place only then using it to wage war on them in the form of 'state sponsored, false flag terrorism'. It uses the remainder to murder innocent people who are unfortunate enought to be living in a country under attack from US imperial fascism.
It is a 'PSYCHOPATHIC KILLER' budget. No more, no less.
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| prole art threat wrote: | | wobbler wrote: | At any rate, it's simply amazing how Americans get such terrible 'value for money' out of all those tax dollars spent on
a/killing people
b/figuring out new and improved ways of killing people |
Agreed, even if 1 million went missing is still shameful when there are so many people who cant even afford adequate health cover.
| Quote: | | The US defence budget for 2006 is $466 billion |
Think about this amount of alll this tax payers money. This is the finest example of unintelligence you will ever be presented with. How could such a budget allow what happened on 9/11?
It is not a defence project, it is an 'OFFENCE BUDGET'!
It is a budget that wages war on it's own citizens in the form of stealing their money in the first place only then using it to wage war on them in the form of 'state sponsored, false flag terrorism'. It uses the remainder to murder innocent people who are unfortunate enought to be living in a country under attack from US imperial fascism.
It is a 'PSYCHOPATHIC KILLER' budget. No more, no less. |
Instead of changing the subject can you explain why they need to steal money from their own budget, when they can just as easily not steal it and allocate the funds to the secret and intelligence services whose budgets are much more guarded?
And can you explain how they stole 2.3 trillion in 3-4 years as you claim, when the defence budget is not large enough?
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http://www.anxietyculture.com/bulletin030903.htm
| Quote: | US Government "misplaces" trillions of dollars
Beyond Enron and WorldCom lies a much bigger scandal: the "misplacement" of over $3 trillion of taxpayers' money by the US government. This story hasn’t gone completely unreported. For example, CBS News quoted Donald Rumsfeld as saying, "according to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions." ('The War on Waste', CBS News, 29/1/02).
According to Catherine Austin Fitts, former Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development (HUD), "total undocumented accounting adjustments [...] for the Department of Defense [and HUD for fiscal 1998-2000] amount to a whopping $3.3 trillion, or $11,700 for every American."
[Note: $2.3 trillion from DoD and further $1 trillion from HUD = total $3.3 trillion] |
| Quote: | | The Department of Defense has failed to produce independent audited financial statements since 1995. |
| Quote: | | Is anything being done to stop this? According to Catherine Austin Fitts, the company credited with an accounting "misplacement" of $59 billion at HUD has been awarded the contract to redesign the Pentagon's business processes. |
| Quote: | | Let's put these figures into perspective. $59 billion would pay the total cost of UK unemployment welfare (£5bn/year) for 7 years. $3.3 trillion would cover it for 420 years. How do you "misplace" an amount that size? |
Who is Catherine Austin Fitts?
http://www.solari.com/about/ca_fitts.html
| Quote: | | Catherine Austin Fitts offers a unique perspective on the global financial system and on the political economy. Her background includes: Wall Street: Managing Director and member of the Board, Dillon Read & Co. Inc.; Government: Assistant Secretary of Housing - Federal Housing Commissioner; Entrepreneur: President and founder of Hamilton Securities investment bank. Catherine has designed and closed over $25 billion of transactions and investments to-date and has led portfolio strategy for $300 billion of financial assets and liabilities. |
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| Quote: | | nstead of changing the subject can you explain why they need to steal money from their own budget, |
Fair enough, but come now; by its own admission the biggest death machine in history doesn't even know where its 'cash for killing' goes? If it turned out a four year period represented, ooh say 16 billion, would that make it ok? PAT is suppposing there is active corruption on top of/as opposed to sheer waste and incompetence (though the inordinate amounts of money that go to contractors like Halliburton is indicative of a species of corruption). Regardless, should this not certainly be a serious issue that needs investigating? - or is PAT's individual take on it a more pressing issue? IMHO the indication this state of affairs way precedes the current administration actually makes it a lot worse - it's a systemic issue that has never been addressed.
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http://www.whereisthemoney.org/
| Quote: | Trillions missing from DoD!
"We reported that DoD processed $1.1 trillion in unsupported accounting entries to DoD Component financial data used to prepare departmental reports and DoD financial statements for FY 2000."
David K. Steensma, Acting Assistant Inspector General for Auditing for the DoD US Dept of Defense (DoD) February 26, 2002 |
That's over one trillion dollars in one year alone!
| Quote: | What does this mean?
Trillions of dollars in "unsupported adjustments" means trillions of dollars unaccounted for. What's going on? Where is the money? How could this happen? Where are the checks and balances? How much more has gone missing? Is this happening in the other government agencies too? What would happen if a corporation failed to pass an audit like this? Or a taxpayer? Who is responsible for this? Who can we trust to fix it? ...
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http://www.whereisthemoney.org/numbers.html
| Quote: | How we got the numbers
Pursuant to the Chief Financial Officers Act of 1990, as amended by the Federal Financial Management Act of 1994 (a title of the Government Management Reform Act of 1994), the Inspector General of each covered federal agency is required to audit and publish the financial statements of their agency.
The largest agency, the Department of Defense, has failed to comply with the requirement for audited financial statements since the requirement went into effect in the mid-1990’s and has reported significant unsupported adjustments to balance its books. In fiscal 1999, DOD reported $2.3 trillion of undocumentable adjustments to balance its books. In fiscal 2000, DOD reported $1.1 trillion of undocumentable adjustments to balance its books. For fiscal 2001, DOD declined to report the amount of undocumentable adjustments used to balance its books.
The source of the $1.1 trillion undocumentable adjustments to balance DOD’s books in FY 2000 used for the $1.1 Trillion Missing Money calculator is from the Department of Defense Agency-Wide Financial Statements Audit Opinion – A Memorandum for Under Secretary of Defense (Comptroller), dated February 26, 2002 Re: Independent Auditor’s Report on the Department of Defense Fiscal Year 2001 Agency-Wide Financial Statements (Report No. D-2002-055) signed by David K. Steensma, Acting Assistant Inspector General for Auditing.
D-2002-055 Independent Auditor's Report on the Department of Defense Fiscal Year 2001 Agency-Wide Financial Statements (02/26/02) (Project D2001FI=0172.000) -- In Four Parts at: http://www.dodig.osd.mil/Audit/reports/02report.htm Reference Part four, Page 6 of 12, paragraph 2, at: http://www.dodig.osd.mil/Audit/reports/fy02/02-055.pdf |
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| There are a growing number of sites which cover the "missing" trillions from the Pentagon and it is clear that the money went awol during the tenure of Dov Zakheim, a man with Israeli nationality. If there is one thing the Zionists fear will expose their involvement in 9/11, and the murder of the budget analysts/accountants at the Pentagon, it is the uncovering of the money trail. Anyone genuinely interested in following this scandalous theft can visit any of the links from the sites above and will get an idea of the sheer size of this crime. To suggest the money disappeared over decades or that it is too large to be milked from the Pentagon is not a mistake but a deliberate lie. |
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| Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 10:23 am Post subject: |
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| blackcat wrote: | | To suggest the money disappeared over decades or that it is too large to be milked from the Pentagon is not a mistake but a deliberate lie. |
You said earlier that the money was taken over a 3-4 year period before 9/11. The US defence budget is currently $466 billion. Over 4 years that is only $1.8 trillion dollars. To suggest that $2.3 trillion was taken from a pot of only $1.8 trillion is quite simply ridiculous.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Johnny Pixels wrote: | | blackcat wrote: | | To suggest the money disappeared over decades or that it is too large to be milked from the Pentagon is not a mistake but a deliberate lie. |
You said earlier that the money was taken over a 3-4 year period before 9/11. The US defence budget is currently $466 billion. Over 4 years that is only $1.8 trillion dollars. To suggest that $2.3 trillion was taken from a pot of only $1.8 trillion is quite simply ridiculous. |
So er, just wondering, is this what anyone believes?
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I still believe what I did; regardless of the fine detail, there seems to be a general recognition that the Pentagon is an enormous money burning machine. That an institution paid for by the labour of others which is concerned almost exclusively with killing people (usually to nick their stuff or because they have the 'wrong' government), can't even do so 'on budget' (to put it mildly) is... well...well it's it a bit 'off', isn't it?
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| Quote: | | You said earlier that the money was taken over a 3-4 year period before 9/11. |
I did not say it. Read the post and see who DID say it. You think that by leaving it for twelve days before replying you can get away with any old *? |
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| Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 1:06 am Post subject: |
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| blackcat wrote: | | Quote: | | You said earlier that the money was taken over a 3-4 year period before 9/11. |
I did not say it. Read the post and see who DID say it. You think that by leaving it for twelve days before replying you can get away with any old *? |
Ok, some people said that, you suggested it went during the time of Dov Zakheim. The earliest employment I can find for him in the DoD is 1985. Assuming the defence budget was a constant $466 billion for the past 21 years (just to give you a bit of leeway) that gives:
Total defence budget over 21 years:
$9786000000000
proportion of missing budget:
$2300000000000 / $9786000000000 = 23%
You are saying that a minimum of almost a quarter of the US defence budget has gone astray?
Twenty three percent?
Are you serious?
Maybe you should sit down and think about what you are suggesting.
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Is this what anyone believes?
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