21/7 chapatti flour "bombers" trial

[Sinclair]

The jury in the trial of 6 men involved with the 21st July 2005 events in London have retired today:

[spiv]

Sinclair, you ask "Now if the 'conspiracy to cause explosions' charge has now been dropped, how can the other charge of 'conspiracy to murder' still stand?"

Surely the answer is quite obvious, they were going to make their victims all sneeze to death with the Chapatti flour!!!

And as regards other of these silly terrorist trials, I'm still eagerly waiting to hear just how the prosecution are going to explain, in connection with the 10/08 "liquid" bombers, just how they were going to make their bombs from their lucozade and toothpaste in the bogs of an aircraft on an eight hour flight to America (bearing in mind it takes 24 hours for the TATP to precipitate out of the solution, according to the Israel Institute of Technology)

[karlos]

[astro3]

Here is a CCTV picture of MSI supposedly on board the number 26 bus at Hackney, on 21.7 (1) There was indeed an explosion of a kind on the back of the top deck of a number 26 bus 'on its route to Hackney Wick' that morning. But, hang on, wasn't MSI meant to have been doing his thing at the Oval tube station, not on the bus?

[Skeptic]

If that picture is of Ibrahim, and the post you are referring to asserts that Ramzi Mohammed was at the Oval, I don't understand the problem.

[astro3]

Ta for correction.

I went to the shop where the 21/7 crowd were said to have got their peroxide - Pak Cosmetics 25-27 Stroud Green Road at Finsbury Park and spoke to the assistant manager. The Hair bleach they sell is 'Tru Zone Liquid peroxide' in 20,30 and 40 'volume' which means 6% 9% and 12%. Its sold in 1 litre bottles. It isn't peroxide as such, its hair bleach, so it has various other chemicals in it, viz Acetic acid, sodium stannate, Phosphoric acid, pyrophosphate, etc.

The court heard evidence that 20% peroxide could be concentrated up to 50% by boiling in a saucepan. I don't reckon that was very relevant. The point is, or should have been, can the hair bleach 'Tru Zone' be concentrated just by boiling to get that relatively strong peroxide? The prosecution should have been obliged to demonstrate, that merely using Chapati flour and Tru Zone hair bleach, they could make something that would go bang (or, bring down a block of flats in a ball of fire, if you want to go by by the headlines of 23 March 2007, from the trial).

The assistant manager of Pak Cosmetics further assured me that his CCTV in his shop could well be stored for up to a month, so there is no problem in having the police arrive several days after 21/7 and get CCTV footage of one of those lads buying the stuff on 5/7. There was a lot about that story that hadn't come out, he added.

[Sinclair]

astro3, Thanks for the info.

There are numerous unexplained anomalies associated with the events of July 21st 2005. As I'm sure you're aware, these have been documented/commented upon within a section of the July 7th Research Collective Forum.

There are currently 2 trials which are in the final (jury retired) stages:
Kingston Upon Thames Crown Court
R v
ABDUL SHERIF (Hussain Osman's brother)
ISMAIL ABDURAHMAN
MUHEDIN ALI
SIRAJ YASSIN ABDULLAH ALI (Yassin Omar's brother-in-law)
WHABI MOHAMMED (Ramzi Mohammed's brother)

Woolwich/Belmarsh Court
R v
KADER AHMED
KIBLEY DA COSTA
MOHAMMED HAMID
MOUSA ABDULLAH BROWN
MUHAMMAD AL-FIGARI


There has been very little reporting of these two trials of these alleged facilitators/patsies within the J21 network. It will be interesting to see how the reports of the verdicts against these 10 persons will be played out in the media (if at all).

I believe that there still remains 32 (count 'em) further people arrested under connection with the J21 events & also 8 (?) further persons associated with the September 2006 Bridge to China Town Restaurant Raid.

[paul wright]

Yes,cheers and thanks for staying on this case
What a mind-controlled or perfect idiots scenario
"What's that?" "It's bread" As a confronted "bomber" is supposed to have said
If we can get to the bottom of this, we can get to the bottom of everything

[TonyGosling]

Failed London bombers say plot 'a hoax'

By Andrew Hough in London

March 06, 2008 01:34am

FOUR men jailed for life for trying to bomb London's transport system in 2005 have launched an appeal, saying their bomb plot was a hoax designed to send a political statement about the war in Iraq.

The four were convicted last year of a plan to replicate the July 7, 2005 London suicide bombings which had killed 52 commuters just two weeks earlier.

They are serving at least 40 years in jail for trying to detonate hydrogen peroxide-based bombs on three underground trains and at a bus station.

Although the detonators on their makeshift bombs fired, the main charges failed to explode and no one was killed.

Muktah Said Ibrahim, Yassin Hassan Omar, Ramzi Mohammed and Hussain Osman were found guilty of conspiracy to murder after a trial lasting almost six months.

They are appealing against their conviction.

A fifth man, Manfo Kwaku Asiedu, pleaded guilty to conspiracy to cause explosions on the eve of his retrial in November after the original jury failed to reach a verdict.

He is seeking to appeal against his 33-year sentence.

The group appeared via video link at London's Appeal Court.

George Carter-Stephenson, for Ibrahim, told the court the failed bombings were designed to send a political message.

"The applicant's case is that the events of July 21 were an elaborate hoax designed to protest against and draw attention to Britain's role in the attack on Iraq," he said.

"The devices were made to look realistic but included flaws to ensure the main charge would not detonate."

The hearing is expected to last two days. The judges will rule on whether to allow the appeal at a later date.

http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,23327788-5005361,00.html

[zimboy69]

i think were missing a point here


if its flour or not it dont matter


if people are going to get on trains two weeks after a bomb has gone off and have pretend bombs then they get no sympathy from me


if they was duped or threatend then they could have a reason


if they had pretend bombs which had no way to detonate because the explosive is wrong but it had all the electronics and its wired up to look like a bomb and would explode if there was a explosive then i dont care they deserve what they get


if they say they was tricked then i can see this and deserver a fair trail

and if they say they wasnt there then they also deserve a fair trial


if people are going to be so sick and make fun of the people who died on 7/7 then see how funny it is in jail