Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 1158 Location: South Essex
Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:34 pm Post subject:
Someone I woke up about 6 months ago asked “ Do you know why they did a Scottish airport?”
He said “it has the same effect whatever the airport but if it’s up in Scotland it doesn’t affect the economy as much than if it were Heathrow or Gatwick”
Good summary Keith - from following the story, my best guess theory is that the 2 at Glasgow Airport were genuine terrorism enthusiasts but were set up to fail, someone else was pulling the strings, making the decisions and telling them what to do. This someone may well be working for the "authorities" and being guided as to the targets required.
Joined: 22 Mar 2006 Posts: 1107 Location: Free Scotland!
Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 1:07 am Post subject:
Tony Gosling: I never realized how petty-minded and egotistic you are! You never forgave me for equating you to a railway spotter for focusing on Bilderberg to the exclusion of the Trilats did you? Then you messed around with my posts until I commented on it. Note that I removed my comment as soon as you reinstated my article to its proper place.
Oh dear, what hope is there for the Truth Movement with attitudes like that?
And Keith, do lighten up. The video is clearly a tongue-in-cheek comment. It actually focuses on the amateurish nature of the so-called terrorist attacks. I found the video on Stef Zucconi's blog and I found it amusing. Like Stef, I am treating these incidents with the scorn they deserve. As an ex-Londoner, I do like his slightly abrasive style. Maybe that's why you and I differ.
Yes, I'm sure they were false-flag operations. I don't have any faith in governments and though I wouldn't describe myself as an anarchist agree 100% that they (ie governments) are the enemy of the people and should carry a health warning.
Anyone who seriously believes that London/Glasgow were serious terrorist events is, I'm afraid, a sucker.
Even that venomous type, Douglas Murray, said on Question Time today that governments work in the interests of the state. For once he was quite right. And the interests of the state are to do with self-preservation and to administrate capitalism.
Here's what Brasscheck TV had to say about London/Glasgow:
About the UK attacks...
1. Two car bombs that did not go off, but
were "discovered" just in the nick of time.
One was towed for a parking violation
before it was discovered!
2. Two dimwits set their car (and themselves)
on fire and then try to crash into a terminal
at a Scottish (?!) airport.
The media is doing everything it can
to milk "the horror" of it all. I love
particularly how they're playing the
airport "fireball" over and over again.
Look, these stunts could have hurt
innocent people. It is very fortunate
indeed that they didn't.
The reality though is these were among
two of the lamest "terrorist operations"
in all of military history.
Should the world fear attack from a
shadowy army of clueless idiots?
I'll leave that up to you.
From my point of view, these "attacks"
were nothing more than an opportunity for
the new British Prime Minister Gordon Brown
to join the Game and pose as a legitimate
"leader."
Already he's being praised by the monkey
media for showing "quiet authority in the
face of terror."
But listen to what he's actually saying:
"I want all British people to be vigilant
and I want them to support the police and
all the authorities in the difficult
decisions that they have to make."
Translation:
"...Be afraid and obey all authorities
regarless of how outrageous their behavior"...
Joined: 22 Mar 2006 Posts: 1107 Location: Free Scotland!
Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 1:12 am Post subject:
Quote:
venceremos, I thought the Fire fighters did what would be expected.
They aimed the hoses at the building intermittantly to ensure that the flames from the burning car would not spread to the building.
What is more important? The terminal building? or the wrecked car?
The point I was trying to make is that they could have extinguished that fire in seconds using foam. Why didn't they?
The point I was trying to make is that they could have extinguished that fire in seconds using foam. Why didn't they?
Absolutely correct and well spotted.
the fire was allowed to carry on burning for theatrical effect
It could and should have been put out quickly.
A brick wall does not burn so there was no need to damp down the wall.
And to make the story even more obvious that this was a fit up
did you see the gas cannisters?
Why?
gas cannisters are designed not to blow up.
Firemen of the world watching on the news must have been sniggering to themselves, spraying water on a petrol fire AND MISSING
trainee firemen i suppose
Gordon Brown must be pleased the backlash against Muslims has started.
BNP should pack up and retire. WE already have a BNP government. _________________
These attacks were absolutely farcical and pathetic. But the fact that the media and authorities have still gone all out to scare people and overblow the pantomime is very revealing. _________________ "Nothing can trouble you but your own imagination." ~ Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj
Last night one of my open friends who has chosen to generally not ask me about issues surrounding 9/11 and the like asked me what I thought of the 'Wave of Terror' hitting the country. I told him how ludicrous i thought it all was. to my delight he said "do they really expect us to believe that rubbish?"
It's funny you know, for all our campaigning, the media and the government seem to be doing an excellent job of destroying their own credibility.
One of my friends was stopped and searched yesterday in rural suffolk. he was driving a marked van, carrying out work (spraying) at the time. This is getting absolutely ridiculous.
Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 2568 Location: One breath from Glory
Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 8:45 am Post subject: Car bombers Irish??
On Yahoo news article i just read this
Meanwhile, police would not confirm reports that they had found a suicide note in the wreckage of the jeep or that NHS syringes had been used in the car bombs.
Now who would put a suicide note in a vehicle that was going to be used as an incendary bomb.
sounds abit like the infamous hijackers passport that survivedthe twin towers fireball.
(ps sorry for using the "irish" stereotype pun) Born near London and raised on Merseyside I suppose I could be stereotyped a "thieving, humourless scouse git"
Last night one of my open friends who has chosen to generally not ask me about issues surrounding 9/11 and the like asked me what I thought of the 'Wave of Terror' hitting the country. I told him how ludicrous i thought it all was. to my delight he said "do they really expect us to believe that rubbish?"
It's funny you know, for all our campaigning, the media and the government seem to be doing an excellent job of destroying their own credibility.
One of my friends was stopped and searched yesterday in rural suffolk. he was driving a marked van, carrying out work (spraying) at the time. This is getting absolutely ridiculous.
Dont forget the chapathi flour trial has virtually collapsed
Because you cant make a bomb out of flour and water
Which is what chapathi flour and hydrogen peroxide is.
Remember a person drugged with ROHIPNOL and then raped is the VICTIM not the villain.
The 7 doctors may have been drugged and hypnotised. Making them VICTIMS not terrorists. _________________
Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 2568 Location: One breath from Glory
Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 8:55 am Post subject: Al Qaeda admit responsibility
Ha ha no they didnt and thats just my point.
Whenever we,ve had "terrorist"atrocities the group responsible usually owns up in order to get more publicity for there cause be it
IRA, ETA etc.
Mind you the Al Qaeda manufacturers are their own publicists.
Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 6:00 pm Post subject: Blazing car crashes at Glasgow Airport
Excellent analysis by Keith and Venceremos. I did warn colleagues to be on high alert for things to happen on this very week when I was out of the country in the Gulf. The GWOT continues apace and so must the resistance.
Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Thursday objected
to "stereotyping" of Indians after a car bomb attack
in Britain and urged new Prime Minister Gordon Brown
not to draw hasty conclusions about the guilt of
Indians who have been detained.
By giving a befitting rebuke to the British Prime
Minister over the alleged involvement of Indians in
the so-called failed terrorist attack in England,the
India Prime Minister, Dr. Man Mohan Singh deserves
accolades for having expressed himself from the most
dignified plank as the leader of the largest
democracy of the world. What Dr. Singh stressed in the
most unambiguous words was his strong objection to the
Western mentality of intimidating the world through
its hypothetical narratives of terorism.
The remarkable feature of his strong reaction was
the clubbing together of India and Pakistan, by
emphasising that "Labelling Indians and Pakistanis as
terrorists is disturbing.". This , no doubt, reflects
India's growing awareness of the West's ingenious
contrivance to set the regional powers at variance and
then dictate terms to them.
India must tell the British Prime Minister in
totally unequivocal language to furnish the
irrebttable proof about the involvement of the Indian
Doctor in the so-called failed terrorist attack, or
else it would be considered as yet another addition to
the lies which the West has been speaking so far.
Before drawing any conclusions, the world must not
forget the possibility of such scares being
stagemanaged by the new British Prime Minister as an
excuse for perpetuating the legacy of his most
discredited precdecessor.
Dr. Mustafa Kamal Sherwani
Zanzibar University, Tanzania
Seeing as the Glasgow Fire Brigade was so clumsy (deliberately? god forbid!) in putting out the recent Glasgow Airport blaze with water hoses (petrol and water don't mix and using water hoses only spreads a fire) here's a useful video from Mendocino County on how to put out a fire from a propane tank.
The latest BBC propaganda is about what a brave lot of lads they were to prevent explosions and the rest of the airport burning down. Yup, with three water hoses.
No mention that propane gas bottles are built to be idiot-proof. If they do explode they explode downwards where the weld-points are weakest.
Now why didn't these dastardly terrorists time their event for November the Fifth with a stuffed effigy of George Brown as Guy Fawkes?
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:38 am Post subject: News Flash: Chemical Weapon Terrorist Plot Thwarted in the U
News Flash: Chemical Weapon Terrorist Plot Thwarted in the UK! Written by Chris Floyd
Wednesday, 04 July 2007
British authorities thwarted a plot by UK-born extremists – including a medical professional – to manufacture chemical bombs to be used in fomenting a “civil war” between Muslims and Christians in the UK, the Guardian reports, and the alleged perpetrators are now on trial.
But why are we telling you this? Surely, it’s been splashed 24-7 across CNN and Fox News. You have doubtless seen every detail of the conspiracy and its nefarious plotters ricocheting around ABC, NBC and CBS. You have probably already devoured mountains of newsprint about the story served up by the New York Times, the Washington Post, AP and Reuters. And you have certainly been pixelated with thunderous on-line commentary from PowerLine, Drudge, Instapundit, Malkin, etc., about this sinister attempt to destroy our Western way of life and impose an alien ideology on a free people by force.
I mean, it’s not every day that you have a dramatic court session about a WMD plot by white neo-Nazis – what? You mean you haven’t heard about it? It wasn’t on CNN? Glenn Beck wasn’t raging about it? Michelle hasn’t jumped all over it like a duck on a june bug? George Bush hasn’t cited it as yet another reason to keep waging the “War on Terror” in Iraq?
But how can that be? I mean, look what we’ve got here: Chemical weapons. Violent extremists. Healers unmasked as haters. Devotees of Hitler, for God’s sake! (The real Hitler, not all the “new Hitlers” that pop up every time the Pentagon wants to go for an outing). Why isn’t news of this plot saturating the media, which is normally so ravenous for scaremongering terrorist copy?
Could it be because the alleged plotters are good and godly Anglo-Saxons, just like mother used to make?
Robert Cottage, 49, a member of the British National Party, is standing trial in Manchester for amassing material for chemical bombs – and instructions for making them — in his home. The prosecution said Cottage was acting on the instructions of a fellow BNP cadre, David Jackson, a respectable 62-year-old dentist from Lancashire. Cottage’s 29-year-old wife testified against him, having originally reported his alleged plans to test chemical bombs to a social worker – the tip that led to the men’s arrest.
Cottage had been an unsuccessful BNP candidate for his local town council – although many of his culture-war comrades have won seats in local governments throughout England. His failures didn’t damage his stature in the party, however; indeed, his wife said Cottage had risen through the ranks to become friends with the party’s leader, the Cambridge-educated Nick Griffin. (Griffin of Cambridge; Bush of Yale and Harvard: poster boys for the virtues of elitist education.)
Cottage and Jackson found common cause in their enthusiasm for the carefully muffled racism of the BNP, which has repackaged itself as the voice of the neglected working class – an opening given to them by the Labour Party’s cynical abandonment of working people in favor of corporate tycoons and private equity barons (the UK version of the DLC strategy, in other words). The BNP thus preys on genuine grievances in England’s equivalent of the “rust belt,” and has gained small footholds across the country, even in London. But while the media-savvy Griffin soft-pedals the party’s core racism for public consumption, the insiders know the real score. As Mrs. Cottage testified, her husband and Jackson were “’solid friends who met regularly to chat about politics, the BNP and Hitler,” the Guardian reports.
The two allegedly planned the chemical bomb attacks as part of a “war between the Asian culture and the White culture,” Mrs. Cottage testified. In the UK, “Asian” is used to denote those of Pakistani origin – overwhelmingly Muslim – and by extension most other Muslims of less-than-alabaster hue.
In private talks to party members, Griffin tells his followers that the BNP is “just one crisis away from power.” (Obviously, a few chemical bombs aimed at fomenting race war might constitute provoke a useful crisis.) And in fact, for all its pretensions at electorally representing the plight of neglected workers, the BNP is not really interested in politics or governance at all. Like some other rightwing parties we could mention, their only concern is grabbing power and imposing the views of their tiny, radical base on the nation as a whole.
Griffin — whose published Holocaust denial far outstrips that of, say, the Iranian president — spelled out the party’s true goals during a fundraising tour in the United States, as the Guardian reported last year. (The BNP gets a good deal of money from fellow travellers in the States – secret slush funneled through a front organization, as there are strict limits on British parties raising money overseas.) The Guardian’s Ian Cobain, who went undercover as a BNP activist for several months, heard a revealing tape of Griffin speaking in New Orleans – homeground of his American doppelganger, David Duke:
Then I heard a recording of a speech Nick Griffin gave to a closed conference of white supremacists in New Orleans last year. In it he spelled out the party’s strategy - and made clear that winning votes is not an end in itself.
After his almost-casual denigration of British Muslims - “the most appalling, insufferable people to have to live with” - Griffin revealed his belief that a period of prolonged recession was certain to engulf the developed world as a result of fuel shortages and global warming. This, he said, would happen soon but it would not be a disaster, rather “a once-in-200-years opportunity”.
Far-right parties needed to prepare for this moment of crisis by ensuring that enough people were aware of their policies and had discovered that they were “not crazy-eyed lunatics”, he said. If people had considered voting for the BNP, he argued, they would be more likely to turn to the party during a time of immense crisis.
“It will be the beginning of an age of scarcity, an age in which a well-organised nationalist party could really make an impact. And that’s the key word - organised. In Britain, we are almost there: we have got this solid 5% block [of support]. Other radical movements in the past, far left or far right, whatever, a couple of years before a crisis have had far less than 5%, so as far as I am concerned, that is fairly satisfactory.”
So there it is: the BNP’s leaders believe that the time will soon come when power will fall into the street, and at that moment, with significant sections of Britain’s white population cheering them on, they will be able to scoop it up.
While 5% support is a good starting point, Griffin told his audience, the Front National [of Jean-Marie Le Pen] has an 18%-strong block of support, and almost half the white voters in France had voted for the party at some time. If the BNP was to enjoy that level of support, it would not be consigned to the political margins for much longer. It would, Griffin said, be just “one crisis away from power”.
Now here we have a duly accredited political party — its members sitting in local governments, its leader often appearing on national television to debate the issues – whose activists are on trial for allegedly conspiring to use chemical bombs as part of a “culture war” to plunge society into crisis and take power. As such plots go, this one is far more credible than the “liquid explosive” scare last year that threw the entire global air travel system into panic and disarray. You think it might rate at least a mention somewhere in the terror-haunted house of horrors that is the American media.
Of course, it’s only natural that the recent Glasgow-London car-bomb incidents have drawn more headlines than the BNP chemical bomb trial. After all, those car bombs actually got built – albeit in such a slapdash fashion that they were scarcely workable – while the alleged BNP bombs were still in the planning stages. But the disparity in coverage between “Muslim” terrorism and “Christian” terrorism is remarkable (as Dave Neiwert continually notes at Orcinus). Yet a bomb launched by a white Christian is every bit as deadly as one set off by a swarthy Muslim; just ask the tens of thousands of Iraqis buried under George Bush’s bombs – or indeed the people of Britain, where white Christians from Ireland have claimed far more victims, including a member of the royal family, than “Asian” Muslims ever have.
Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 3:13 am Post subject: Re: News Flash: Chemical Weapon Terrorist Plot Thwarted in t
venceremos wrote:
News Flash: Chemical Weapon Terrorist Plot Thwarted in the UK! Written by Chris Floyd
Wednesday, 04 July 2007
British authorities thwarted a plot by UK-born extremists – including a medical professional – to manufacture chemical bombs to be used in fomenting a “civil war” between Muslims and Christians in the UK, the Guardian reports, and the alleged perpetrators are now on trial.
But why are we telling you this? Surely, it’s been splashed 24-7 across CNN and Fox News. You have doubtless seen every detail of the conspiracy and its nefarious plotters ricocheting around ABC, NBC and CBS. You have probably already devoured mountains of newsprint about the story served up by the New York Times, the Washington Post, AP and Reuters. And you have certainly been pixelated with thunderous on-line commentary from PowerLine, Drudge, Instapundit, Malkin, etc., about this sinister attempt to destroy our Western way of life and impose an alien ideology on a free people by force.
I mean, it’s not every day that you have a dramatic court session about a WMD plot by white neo-Nazis – what? You mean you haven’t heard about it? It wasn’t on CNN? Glenn Beck wasn’t raging about it? Michelle hasn’t jumped all over it like a duck on a june bug? George Bush hasn’t cited it as yet another reason to keep waging the “War on Terror” in Iraq?
But how can that be? I mean, look what we’ve got here: Chemical weapons. Violent extremists. Healers unmasked as haters. Devotees of Hitler, for God’s sake! (The real Hitler, not all the “new Hitlers” that pop up every time the Pentagon wants to go for an outing). Why isn’t news of this plot saturating the media, which is normally so ravenous for scaremongering terrorist copy?
Could it be because the alleged plotters are good and godly Anglo-Saxons, just like mother used to make?
Robert Cottage, 49, a member of the British National Party, is standing trial in Manchester for amassing material for chemical bombs – and instructions for making them — in his home. The prosecution said Cottage was acting on the instructions of a fellow BNP cadre, David Jackson, a respectable 62-year-old dentist from Lancashire. Cottage’s 29-year-old wife testified against him, having originally reported his alleged plans to test chemical bombs to a social worker – the tip that led to the men’s arrest.
Cottage had been an unsuccessful BNP candidate for his local town council – although many of his culture-war comrades have won seats in local governments throughout England. His failures didn’t damage his stature in the party, however; indeed, his wife said Cottage had risen through the ranks to become friends with the party’s leader, the Cambridge-educated Nick Griffin. (Griffin of Cambridge; Bush of Yale and Harvard: poster boys for the virtues of elitist education.)
Cottage and Jackson found common cause in their enthusiasm for the carefully muffled racism of the BNP, which has repackaged itself as the voice of the neglected working class – an opening given to them by the Labour Party’s cynical abandonment of working people in favor of corporate tycoons and private equity barons (the UK version of the DLC strategy, in other words). The BNP thus preys on genuine grievances in England’s equivalent of the “rust belt,” and has gained small footholds across the country, even in London. But while the media-savvy Griffin soft-pedals the party’s core racism for public consumption, the insiders know the real score. As Mrs. Cottage testified, her husband and Jackson were “’solid friends who met regularly to chat about politics, the BNP and Hitler,” the Guardian reports.
The two allegedly planned the chemical bomb attacks as part of a “war between the Asian culture and the White culture,” Mrs. Cottage testified. In the UK, “Asian” is used to denote those of Pakistani origin – overwhelmingly Muslim – and by extension most other Muslims of less-than-alabaster hue.
In private talks to party members, Griffin tells his followers that the BNP is “just one crisis away from power.” (Obviously, a few chemical bombs aimed at fomenting race war might constitute provoke a useful crisis.) And in fact, for all its pretensions at electorally representing the plight of neglected workers, the BNP is not really interested in politics or governance at all. Like some other rightwing parties we could mention, their only concern is grabbing power and imposing the views of their tiny, radical base on the nation as a whole.
Griffin — whose published Holocaust denial far outstrips that of, say, the Iranian president — spelled out the party’s true goals during a fundraising tour in the United States, as the Guardian reported last year. (The BNP gets a good deal of money from fellow travellers in the States – secret slush funneled through a front organization, as there are strict limits on British parties raising money overseas.) The Guardian’s Ian Cobain, who went undercover as a BNP activist for several months, heard a revealing tape of Griffin speaking in New Orleans – homeground of his American doppelganger, David Duke:
Then I heard a recording of a speech Nick Griffin gave to a closed conference of white supremacists in New Orleans last year. In it he spelled out the party’s strategy - and made clear that winning votes is not an end in itself.
After his almost-casual denigration of British Muslims - “the most appalling, insufferable people to have to live with” - Griffin revealed his belief that a period of prolonged recession was certain to engulf the developed world as a result of fuel shortages and global warming. This, he said, would happen soon but it would not be a disaster, rather “a once-in-200-years opportunity”.
Far-right parties needed to prepare for this moment of crisis by ensuring that enough people were aware of their policies and had discovered that they were “not crazy-eyed lunatics”, he said. If people had considered voting for the BNP, he argued, they would be more likely to turn to the party during a time of immense crisis.
“It will be the beginning of an age of scarcity, an age in which a well-organised nationalist party could really make an impact. And that’s the key word - organised. In Britain, we are almost there: we have got this solid 5% block [of support]. Other radical movements in the past, far left or far right, whatever, a couple of years before a crisis have had far less than 5%, so as far as I am concerned, that is fairly satisfactory.”
So there it is: the BNP’s leaders believe that the time will soon come when power will fall into the street, and at that moment, with significant sections of Britain’s white population cheering them on, they will be able to scoop it up.
While 5% support is a good starting point, Griffin told his audience, the Front National [of Jean-Marie Le Pen] has an 18%-strong block of support, and almost half the white voters in France had voted for the party at some time. If the BNP was to enjoy that level of support, it would not be consigned to the political margins for much longer. It would, Griffin said, be just “one crisis away from power”.
Now here we have a duly accredited political party — its members sitting in local governments, its leader often appearing on national television to debate the issues – whose activists are on trial for allegedly conspiring to use chemical bombs as part of a “culture war” to plunge society into crisis and take power. As such plots go, this one is far more credible than the “liquid explosive” scare last year that threw the entire global air travel system into panic and disarray. You think it might rate at least a mention somewhere in the terror-haunted house of horrors that is the American media.
Of course, it’s only natural that the recent Glasgow-London car-bomb incidents have drawn more headlines than the BNP chemical bomb trial. After all, those car bombs actually got built – albeit in such a slapdash fashion that they were scarcely workable – while the alleged BNP bombs were still in the planning stages. But the disparity in coverage between “Muslim” terrorism and “Christian” terrorism is remarkable (as Dave Neiwert continually notes at Orcinus). Yet a bomb launched by a white Christian is every bit as deadly as one set off by a swarthy Muslim; just ask the tens of thousands of Iraqis buried under George Bush’s bombs – or indeed the people of Britain, where white Christians from Ireland have claimed far more victims, including a member of the royal family, than “Asian” Muslims ever have.
''the biggest weapons cache every discovered in the uk'' has not hit the news like you state. It was christians that did it, so that dosant count.
I remember someone who lives in colne telling me about this, weeks after the discovery, i hadant heard a thing on the national news. Strange really, the biggest weapons cache and chemical weapons cache ever found in the UK and it was departmentalised to the local newspapers?!!!
thats because it was white christians, image muslims being found with that lot, no,no,no, we have a couple of gas bottles and 6 oz of nails and its as though its some new super weapon to attack us with because we are free.
all the more suprising when that racist griffin was not charged not so long ago.
In regards to the firemen putting the blazing car fire out at glasgie airport, you cannot have them squirting foam and putting the fire out in 5 seconds, apart from the firemen doing drills to put out car fires everyweek, we will just be told it was a mistake, thats if they ever answer that question. It almost seems as though they used water delibrately so it fanned the flames, we wouldant have the car fire image to terrorise us otherwise, flashing on the news every 20 minutes.
We have 2 gas bottles and 6oz of nails portrayed as britain under attack on the news repeated ad infinitum, and then we have '' the biggest cache of weapons and chemicals'' ever found in the UK, with hardly a mention.
The fact that the weapons and chemical cache were in an area divided by communities is very very chilling, image an attack in nelson or colne and the backlash from the white christian community!!!!
The omission of this case from the worlds news channels, reveals the sick state of affairs in all their glory.
the BNP seem to be planning a few false flags it seems.
venceremos, I thought the Fire fighters did what would be expected.
They aimed the hoses at the building intermittantly to ensure that the flames from the burning car would not spread to the building.
What is more important? The terminal building? or the wrecked car?
The point I was trying to make is that they could have extinguished that fire in seconds using foam. Why didn't they?
BTW, What I found really disturbing was the aftermath of these false flags, when for example, a revenge attack was carried-out on a Muslim-run shop in Glasgow, Riddrie. And the fact that no one else on this forum has followed-up with comments on that.
Good call i was thinking exactly the same! Or at least why the hoses were like some guy after a few beers at least _________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
Help, help, I'm being repressed!'
“The more you tighten your grip, the more Star Systems will slip through your fingers.”
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:46 pm Post subject:
Quote:
It almost seems as though they used water delibrately so it fanned the flames, we wouldant have the car fire image to terrorise us otherwise, flashing on the news every 20 minutes.
I won't be so coy, Longtooth. No 'almost as ifs', they should be assumed to be guilty until proved innocent. Notice how no blogger (except me?) has actually accused the Glasgow Fire Brigade of playing silly buggers. We should all be doing that!
Using water on a petrol fire will of course SPREAD the fire, unless they used high-pressure hoses (as in the video) to get to the bottles and turn off the taps. The bottles didn't explode it seems.
The Glasgow Fire brigade are trying to cover up with the help of the BBC saying what a wonderful bunch of chaps they were, blah, blah.
It almost seems as though they used water delibrately so it fanned the flames, we wouldant have the car fire image to terrorise us otherwise, flashing on the news every 20 minutes.
I won't be so coy, Longtooth. No 'almost as ifs', they should be assumed to be guilty until proved innocent. Notice how no blogger (except me?) has actually accused the Glasgow Fire Brigade of playing silly buggers. We should all be doing that!
Using water on a petrol fire will of course SPREAD the fire, unless they used high-pressure hoses (as in the video) to get to the bottles and turn off the taps. The bottles didn't explode it seems.
The Glasgow Fire brigade are trying to cover up with the help of the BBC saying what a wonderful bunch of chaps they were, blah, blah.
Boll*ocks, they were in on the stunt from the very beginning!
Even I have done a basic fire training course, and know that Water must not be used on Liquid Fuel and Electrical fires!! Foam is the only one for Liquid fires and CO2 for electrical!! _________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
Help, help, I'm being repressed!'
“The more you tighten your grip, the more Star Systems will slip through your fingers.”
You are correct venceremos, its impossible that the fire brigade would be ignorant on what substance to use for a particular fire, given the scenarios they train for everyweek, a firemans duty consists of drills during the week, of which burning cars are a part.
We are therfore left with the following scenarios.
The firemen made a simple mistake.
the firemen were not the usual firemen on duty, but some preplaced prearranged accomplices.
much like the fake victims after 7/7 or the fake eye/liewitness regarding the De Menezes case, ie hurdling, thick coat, wires protruding etc.
One thing is for sure, whatever the authorities are saying, its a lie to what is really going on.
You are correct venceremos, its impossible that the fire brigade would be ignorant on what substance to use for a particular fire, given the scenarios they train for everyweek, a firemans duty consists of drills during the week, of which burning cars are a part.
We are therfore left with the following scenarios.
The firemen made a simple mistake.
the firemen were not the usual firemen on duty, but some preplaced prearranged accomplices.
much like the fake victims after 7/7 or the fake eye/liewitness regarding the De Menezes case, ie hurdling, thick coat, wires protruding etc.
its as believable as the chapati and hair dye bomb plot.
One thing is for sure, whatever the authorities are saying, its a lie to what is really going on.
silly muslims. a total lack of research and investigation. what idiot comes to glasgow in search of 72 virgins?
and why would the strathclyde fire brigade (there is no such thing as the glasgow fire brigade) use water? well because it wasn't the airport fire crew who are more used to metal and fluid fires.
and why didn't the airport fire crew deal with it? because they are there solely to deal with aircraft fires they won't even come out to deal with a waste basket fire.
and it's very hard to judge between water and foam on fuzzy mobile phone video anyway, certainly from stuff i saw at the time it appeared to be foam.
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:24 pm Post subject:
More damning stuff - why didn't the police act to prevent the Saturday afternoon attack? "......In Glasgow, moreover, there were reports on Monday that call records of a cellphone found in one of the abandoned Mercedes sedans in London had led investigators to a house near Glasgow used by at least one of the suspects. The discovery was made before the attack when it was not known whether a further assault was planned. Daniel Gardiner, who owns the rental agency that leased the house, said the police had contacted his agency early Saturday to ask about two car bombs that were discovered Friday in London. The attack on Glasgow airport took place at around 3.15 p.m. local time on Saturday. In an interview, Mr. Gardiner said the police had contacted a colleague because his agency’s phone number had appeared on one of the cellphones found inside the cars. Mr. Gardiner said he was unable to provide much help to the police because he was unable to recall when or why his agency had called the number. And he said his office had no record of such a call. After the attack on the Glasgow Airport, Mr. Gardiner said, the police contacted him again, this time asking if he had done business with any of the people they had in custody. Mr. Gardiner said he confirmed having rented a house at 6 Neuk Crescent in the village of Houston to one of the suspects....."
Britain Arrests 3 More Suspects in Car Bomb Plot http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/02/world/europe/02cnd-britain.html?_r=1 &ref=world&oref=slogin
By ALAN COWELL and RAYMOND BONNER
Published: July 2, 2007
LONDON, July 2 — The British police investigating the attempted car bomb attacks in London and Glasgow arrested three more suspects on Monday, bringing the number of people held so far in the case to eight, including medical doctors from Jordan and Iraq.
The police said one of the three people arrested Monday had been seized in an unspecified foreign country, while the two others had been detained at a residential facility attached to the Princess Alexandra Hospital close to Glasgow.
There were reports in Scotland that the police had been on the trail of two of the attackers on Saturday morning before a Jeep Cherokee rammed into the entrance doors of Glasgow Airport later in the day and
burst into flames. Investigators had used both cellphone records and highly sophisticated closed-circuit television on Britain’s highways to
trace the men in the Jeep, according to several accounts.
Law enforcement officials in the United States and Britain insisted that intelligence agencies investigating the attempted car bomb attacks had discovered no direct link to Al Qaeda so far.
With Britain’s terrorism threat assessment at its highest level of critical, meaning that another attack appears imminent, Prime Minister Gordon Brown said Sunday that “the nature of the threat that we are
dealing with is Al Qaeda and people who are related to Al Qaeda.”
But, a British security official, who spoke in return for anonymity under government rules, said that Mr. Brown, in office for only days, was “describing the ideology” of Islamic fundamentalism and that it was
“far too early” to speak of a direct link to terror training camps outside Britain or Al Qaeda members.
A senior Western law enforcement official, who spoke in return for anonymity, said there was “no indication of any outside direction” and “no connection with the United States whatsoever.”
“Nothing from phone contacts, nor any other way,” the official said. “There has never been any connection of any kind in the U.S.”
The apparent plot to detonate cars filled with gasoline and gas canisters seemed markedly different from some recent terrorism efforts in Britain — notably the July 7, 2005, suicide bombing attacks in London — drawing on disaffected young British Muslims often of Pakistani descent.
British news reports, relatives and a person close to the investigation identified two of the detained people as medical doctors — Mohammed Asha, from Jordan, and Bilal Abdullah from Iraq.
Dr Asha, 26, was arrested late Saturday when police officers in unmarked cars boxed in his car on the M6 highway in northwestern England and forced it to a halt. He was accompanied by a 27-year-old woman whose suspected link to the attempted car bombings is
unclear. Contrary to earlier news reports identifying him as an Iranian Kurd, Dr. Asha was said by a Jordanian official to be a Jordanian of Palestinian descent.
Some news reports said Dr. Abdullah was suspected of being one of two men who tried to ram the Jeep Cherokee into the entrance of Glasgow Airport on Saturday afternoon. British medical records said Dr.
Abdullah qualified in Baghdad in 2004 and had been licensed to practice in British hospitals as a doctor under supervision since August, 2006.
The attack in Glasgow followed the discovery of two cars filled with gasoline, gas canisters and nails in London on Friday and the police have linked the two episodes in London and Glasgow. Officials declined to say whether the same people were suspected of carrying out both attacks.
A senior Western law enforcement official, who spoke in return for anonymity, said British investigators were greatly helped by closed-circuit television cameras on Britain’s highways, which pick up details
of every license plate.
The devices are highly computerized, the official said. As soon as the police noted the license plate numbers from the cars in Central London and from the car that crashed in Glasgow, computers quickly traced the cars’ movements over the past several days.
In Glasgow, moreover, there were reports on Monday that call records of a cellphone found in one of the abandoned Mercedes sedans in London had led investigators to a house near Glasgow used by at least one of the suspects. The discovery was made before the attack when it was not known whether a further assault was planned.
Daniel Gardiner, who owns the rental agency that leased the house, said the police had contacted his agency early Saturday to ask about two car bombs that were discovered Friday in London. The attack on Glasgow airport took place at around 3.15 p.m. local time on Saturday.
In an interview, Mr. Gardiner said the police had contacted a colleague because his agency’s phone number had appeared on one of the cellphones found inside the cars.
Mr. Gardiner said he was unable to provide much help to the police because he was unable to recall when or why his agency had called the number. And he said his office had no record of such a call.
After the attack on the Glasgow Airport, Mr. Gardiner said, the police contacted him again, this time asking if he had done business with any of the people they had in custody. Mr. Gardiner said he confirmed having rented a house at 6 Neuk Crescent in the village of Houston to one of the suspects.
The leasing agent declined to identify his former client. He would only say that the suspect had passed a rigorous credit check.
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 9:47 am Post subject: Re: Blazing car crashes at Glasgow Airport
moeen yaseen wrote:
Excellent analysis by Keith and Venceremos. I did warn colleagues to be on high alert for things to happen on this very week when I was out of the country in the Gulf. The GWOT continues apace and so must the resistance.
Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Thursday objected
to "stereotyping" of Indians after a car bomb attack
in Britain and urged new Prime Minister Gordon Brown
not to draw hasty conclusions about the guilt of
Indians who have been detained.
By giving a befitting rebuke to the British Prime
Minister over the alleged involvement of Indians in
the so-called failed terrorist attack in England,the
India Prime Minister, Dr. Man Mohan Singh deserves
accolades for having expressed himself from the most
dignified plank as the leader of the largest
democracy of the world. What Dr. Singh stressed in the
most unambiguous words was his strong objection to the
Western mentality of intimidating the world through
its hypothetical narratives of terorism.
The remarkable feature of his strong reaction was
the clubbing together of India and Pakistan, by
emphasising that "Labelling Indians and Pakistanis as
terrorists is disturbing.". This , no doubt, reflects
India's growing awareness of the West's ingenious
contrivance to set the regional powers at variance and
then dictate terms to them.
India must tell the British Prime Minister in
totally unequivocal language to furnish the
irrebttable proof about the involvement of the Indian
Doctor in the so-called failed terrorist attack, or
else it would be considered as yet another addition to
the lies which the West has been speaking so far.
Before drawing any conclusions, the world must not
forget the possibility of such scares being
stagemanaged by the new British Prime Minister as an
excuse for perpetuating the legacy of his most
discredited precdecessor.
Dr. Mustafa Kamal Sherwani
Zanzibar University, Tanzania
Interesting, if you click the google link to this article (at the hindustan times site) it takes you to a far more dumbed down article:
Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:56 pm Post subject: MI5
stelios wrote:
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/708479/the_search_for_smeato_john_smeato n_glasgow_airport_attack_he/
JON SMEATON M15?
This is what I suspect. I find this guy's allegations ridiculous: That this supposed suicidal terrorist was attacking a policeman, and shouting "Allah" each time he threw a punch. Who writes this stuff?
I also suspect that another supposed "witness" there was planted, and is lying. Her name is Jackie Kennedy and she claims to have seen one of the "terrorists" pouring petrol all over himself from a drum:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkEGI6JUetk
Lockerbie doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell on this VERY well developed thread. OK that's enough Lockerbie posts. He has obviously been well and truly outed.
The Glasgow PSYOP is being unpicked nicely. They alwayd have actor witnessess. Remember 7/7 when the I witnesses were on the train from platform 9 3/4.... _________________ Belief is the Enemy of Truth www.dissential.com
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