Fri08Jun - LONDON - Calum Douglas and Gordon Ross

[Stefan]

9/11: Separating the Facts from the Fiction

In a fact filled and comprehensive double bill two of Britain’s top 9/11 researchers will separate the facts from the fiction regarding 9/11, leaving any still in the dark without a doubt that the truth about 9/11 is something we need to DEMAND; not something we already have.

Calum Douglas famously blew the conventional wisdom on the Pentagon incident apart when a freedom of information act request he made uncovered more than he could have imagined.

Working in collaboration with Pilots for 9/11 Truth Douglas' research is epoch making and represents some of the most solid evidence, nay proof, that the official story is a sham.

Gordon Ross is an engineer and regular contributor to the Journal for 9/11 Studies and his papers on the collapse of the World Trade Centre towers continue to challenge the straw science put forward in support of the official story.

In his first London presentation he will demonstrate that numbers don't lie, and science does not have a political objective: the notion that the towers fell from gravitational collapse is a farce which needs to be dispensed with before the truth can be found.

The event is FREE to attend, this is one for EVERYONE. For members of 9/11 truth who want to delve further into the evidence; for those who are curious about 9/11 but haven't read much (friends, family members, partners you have been trying to convince? Let this event do the hard work for you- bring them along); cynics who repeat MSM mantras such as "the evidence isn't there" can put their money where their mouth is and see if their world view can keep its footing on the rough terrain of truth.

The evening starts at 7pm and is held at the Indian YMCA on Fitzroy Square in Central London.

Nearest Tube: Warren Street

Map: http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Fitzroy+Square+London&sll=53 .098145,-2.443696&sspn=9.784819,20.43457&layer=&ie=UTF8&z=16&om=1&iwlo c=addr

Message to Campaigners

Guys it is down to us to make this one a success.

Consider that this will be one of the most fact filled, evidence led talks we have had- the conversion rate for people realising the OCT is bunk will doubtless be 100%, and the conversion rate for people realising that 9/11 was an inside job will not be much less.

STUDENTS we know you're out there, please approach your engineering, physics, architecture departments and publicise this, both to your peers and your lecturers.

EVERYONE invite your MPs, local papers, anyone and everyone!

People out there deserve the right to have access to this information - god knows the main stream media wont do it for them - we must make sure everyone has the opportunity to discover the facts; it is our responsibility as decent citizens

[Zabooka]

I have emailed all the lecturers at my University in the School of Architecture and Civil Engineering.

Hopefully some of them shall come, as they all missed out on Calum when he came back in February.

I have also posted this up on facebook
http://ueluk.facebook.com/event.php?eid=2337059163

and MySpace
http://events.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=events.detail&eventID=3 33765.60624

[Stefan]

Z,
How did you phraze the address? One thing I haven't got around to yet which I've been meaning to is sending invite letters to the engineering and physics faculties of all the London Universities.

Maybe your template could help get me started?

[Zabooka]

[Annie]

Let's really go for this meeting. It was clear from the one I did last week that the London group is really building up a head of steam - thanks everyone for all the hard work in the build-up to these meetings!

We need to keep the momentum going, and this promises to be a cracker.

Regards

Annie

[Annie]

Bump

[Zabooka]

*gets knocked over*

what was that bump for?

[Annie]

Latent aggression....

Just to keep this at the top of the list. We need to make this talk as big as possible!

[Zabooka]

lol haha. We need to also organise the talk really well. We need to inform people of all that we are doing and trying to do. For instance, William Rodriguez's 2nd Leg of his UK Tour. Let everyone know about that, where they can know about that, website etc.

Also about Loose Change The Final Cut coming out, how they can help by writing, emailing and calling up all their local cinema's to make sure that they have it screened! Also tell people to tell others about the coming of this 'historic once in a life time movie'.

There is also David Ray Griffin's "Debunking 9/11 Debunking" thats to be released in UK from 30th of May, so by this talk it should be out. We should ask people to ask their libraries, university libraries, local libraries and local bookshops to order these in, ... or at the very least buy themselves a copy and tell others about it.

etc, etc, etc...

gosh I am so excited I am getting goose bumps!

[Frazzel]

A friend of mine has posted this event on to indymedia website. ive also put a poster up in hackney college.
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[Snowygrouch]

Good stuff; and thankyou.

[reprehensor]

Best of luck with your talk!

DR. BAZANT - NIST's 911 FALL GUY by Gordon Ross[/url]

[Stefan]

Final Bump and Final Remind -

Get down the Indian YMCA tonight for what should be an excellent evening.

This is the one to convince those skeptics among your friends and family with, drag them along, expose them to the truth they're missing.

See you there!

[conspiracy analyst]

[reprehensor]

Did anyone make an audio or video recording of the event?

[Snowygrouch]

Professor is a mistake, Gordon has the letters MENG after his name which stands for Masters in Engineering. He is not a professor; dont know how that appeared.

The event was comprehensively filmed and will be available on the net within the next few weeks.

C

[Jack]

so was it well attended?

[xmasdale]

[xmasdale]

Both speakers were excellent.

Calum flummoxed me with his investigations into the Pentagon attack. It seems that some kind of aircraft with a wide wingspan must have flown low towards the Pentagon, otherwise the lamp posts would not have been flattened. That puts paid to the theory that it was attacked by a Global Hawk or a missile alone. If a wide wingspanned aircraft did fly that low, what happened to it?

From the flight data recordings obtained by Calum, it seems that the Flight 77 Boeing 757 did not fly low enough to have hit the Pentagon or to have bent the lamp-posts. So where it reached ground and what happened to the passengers remains a mystery, not do we know what it was that did hit the Pentagon. One thing was clear: the flight did not follow the path described by two cops patrolling the Pentagon who gave interviews in uniform on camera. It would seem that if it had followed that path it would not have gone near the lamp posts which were hit, nor would it have been filmed in the five frames which were released showing something hitting the Pentagon from the viewpoint in the gas station.

But the important thing to remember is that for the 9/11 Truth Campaign to succeed we do not have to prove precisely what happened, interesting though that may be to some. All we have to do is make so many members of the public aware that the official conspiracy theory does not fit the evidence, that it becomes obvious to most that we have been lied to about these attacks in order to start a prolongued war and to take away our liberties.

[plane son on 911]

flum·mox /ˈflʌməks/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[fluhm-uhks] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–verb (used with object) Informal. to bewilder; confound; confuse.


What was it that bewildered, confounded or confused you?

[chek]

[Zabooka]

Interesting thing... though just speculation again.

Is why would they release something like that? As Calum plainly put it, what the hell is going on?

Why did they 'accidently' release that to Calum? For he was exceptionally surprised to have recieved it, where many others had failed.

What is the NTSB doing sending out such stuff? Someone obviously knows something is very fishy going on at the NTSB, and for sure, so do people in the FBI. Why are they so afraid to comment?

What body is so much higher than the FBI and the NTSB, to have them so scared?

Again, what the hell is going on? Yes XmasDale, indeed. All we have to say, is that look, nothing adds up and we are moving further and further away from any official explanations or reasonings from bearing any weight whatsoever in light of the ever mounting evidence.

If this plane did not crash! Where was it recovered from this Black Box?

Either its real or fake, either case is still scary. If its real, then this plane did not strike the Pentagon and do the damage it was meant to have done, as official theories would have you believe.
If its FAKE, even more alarming. For what reasons would it be possible for the NTSB to have hold of fake Black Box Data's and send them out?

The Pentagon incident, is fast becoming one of the most hairiest smoking guns in all of this.

[xmasdale]

[Snowygrouch]

If it makes you feel better I myself am utterly perplexed as to what really happened there too.

Nobody really knows, (well nobody whos still alive anyway).

Maybe one day we will find out.

C.

[xmasdale]

[xmasdale]

[kbo234]

Well done Callum, thanks for the talk. I enjoyed your presentation.

You are engaged in Engineering studies.....this work must have seriously interfered with your coverage of whatever is your given syllabus.

It puts me in mind of a Physics student at a leading US eniversity back in the late 1960's who decided, for his major 3rd year project, to try to design an effeective suitcase nuclear bomb....at the time no one knew if such a thing was possible.
All he did was write off enquiries to various eminent professors who, being intellectually intrigued by the problem, offered their thoughts on the issue and by co-ordinating their efforts and offerings he actually presented a fully detailed design for such a bomb to his amazed academic tutors. The paper was seized by government authorities when they got wind of it....but it was repoerted that the student (I forget his name) was rewarded with a first class degree for his remarkable achievement.

Do you mind me asking have your academic tutors taken any interest in your work? Surely it has gained you a few brownie points within your department.

The released information seems to show little in the positive sense but much in a negative sense....i.e. that what there is of an 'official narrative' about flight 77 is provably nonsense (as you capably demonstrated).

I was intrigued by your suggestion that flight 77 might have been a good way of disposing of the personnel that set up the towers for demolition. Has any research been done on the people (they were mostly military, weren't they?) who died on that flight?

[jackchit]

Calum has been duped by the FOIA request.
Firstly why would the authorities in the US send information to a non US citizen under the FOIA unless it was mis-information?
The FDR is a smokescreen nothing more nothing less.

[Snowygrouch]

Dear Jack,
If you had ACTUALLY ATTENDED THE TALK you would be perfectly aware that I entertain as a very strong possibility that this data is all fake.

You didnt so so dont know that.

Regards

C.

PS. It always appears better when critisising public lecturers to have actually BEEN to one of their lectures. At university lecturers take a somewhat dim view of students who fail modules but never even went to a lecture. You have scored a grade 'f' in this case for lack of any knowledge whatsoever about the subject you comment on.

Did your school reports often contain the remarks "see me" in red pen?

[jackchit]