'UK Official Reports into 7/7'

[Sinclair]

From http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4757915.stm

Just released this morning, here are the links for the PDF documents:
Intelligence and Security Committee Report into the London Terrorist Attacks on 7 July 2005 [656 KB]

Government response [238 KB]

[andyb]

looks like there still isn't any eveidence they did it then.

In point 47: 'There was (and still is) no evidence that they were connected to planning terrorist acts'

What a waste of time and money assessing the threat levels which takes up a large part of the report!!!! You also have to be worried when the Director of GCHQ starts quoting one of Rumsfelds most ridiculous statements ever(known, unknown knowns)(111) Also do you think we could replace the *** in that passage with 'government'??

[Ally]

it was Milan Rai's speech word for word practically !

bbc r5 12.10 11/5/6

HOME OFFICE 7/7 RESPONSE - John Pienaar reported. The Home Secretary will respond to the ISC report on 7/7 and what lessons can be learned. They may devote more resources to combating threats.

INTERVIEW: JOHN REID, LABOUR MP - the official account of 7/7 was published today along with our response. I regret the sombre nature of my statement, I'd like to pay condolences to those who suffered in those events. Today's account shows how and why they did what they did. We had to withhold information for legal and security reasons. It will be for the legal process to confirm formally what happened. Four suicide attacks were carried out by four British citizens and killed 52 other people and injured over 700. Three bombs went of simultaneously at 08.50. Tanweer, Khan, Lyndsey and Hussain all detonated devices. It remains unclear why Hussain didn't detonate his bomb at the same time, maybe he was frustrated on the tube heading north. It appears he could have had difficulty detonated the device but I now stress this is speculation. We know from CCTV they travelled from Leeds in a hire care that morning and met Lyndsey in a Luton car park. Further devices were found that could have been a diversion but they don't indicate a fifth bomber. The four traveled to London at 07.40 arriving at 08.23, their identify cards were found at sites, Khan's cards at multiple sites. Khan and Tanweer had been picked up by MI5 earlier. Four men matching their description on CCTV at Kings Cross and Luton show them. They were all British citizens who grew up in Yorkshire. Khan was a well respected teacher and youth worker at the time of the bombings. Tanweer had just left University, Hussain was 18 and finished sixth form. The account set out today publishes their early lives and how they may have been radicalised but the picture is incomplete, little marks them out as vulnerable to radicalisation. It's not known if others indoctrinated the group but Lyndsey was influenced by an extremist preacher now in jail. They were motivated by anger at perceived injustices against Muslims and their requirement for martyrdom. Khan went to Pakistan in 2003, it's believed he had relevant training. Two others are likely to have met Al-Qaeda figures during their visits. There is a mysterious Pakistan connection but don't know the connection. Al-Qaeda claimed responsibility but their involvement is unclear. The group planned in earnest and made the devices at 18 Alexander Grove. The bombs were made with ingredients readily commercially available and required limited expertise to assemble. The operation cost less than eight thousand pound. The account published doesn't address the brave emergency services. The ISC have published an independent report the House should give it serious consideration and welcome its conclusions. They conclude it was not unreasonable to reduce the threat level from severe to substantial in May last year. I'm grateful to the ISC for their report, it demostrates the challenge police face in combatting this new terror, the bombers were home grown with no extremist views, there were as intergrated as anybody else. The key lesson is our response needs to be collective. We need to help Muslim leaders fight the distortion of Islam which turns young people into terrorists.

We have allocated an extra £90 million over two years to expand Special Branch, the total budget for counter terror has doubled from less than £1 billion to over £2 billion over the same period.
Police have disrupted many attacks against the UK since 9/11 and three since July last year alone.
A public inquiry is not a good step to take, it would cost too much at a critical time.

[Pikey]

Another gatekeeper of the truth report for the archives.

How far does the rabbit hole go?

[Ally]

BBC R5 12:43 11/5/6

7/7 SURVIVOR SPEAKS OUT -

STUDIO INTERVIEW: RACHEL NORTH, 7/7 SURVIVOR - hindsight is a wonderful thing but if Khan was known to be learning how to make bombs and going to training camps then they let him carry out a plot to murder and maim people then I think there has been a failure in service, the report was put together behind closed doors. I would be happier with public inquiry. There are hundreds of survivors waiting for compensation, I noticed Reid didn't want to meet them. I notice two million protested Iraq but voting numbers went down so the government are not dealing with the public. The government need to learn from 7/7 so we can stop it happening again. When the next bomb goes off will people have learned from that day. We haven't had our questions answered publicly.

[Andrew Johnson]

I loved when it said on the radio "The Security Services were not found to be negligent"

Damn right! They did the set up beautifully!

EXACTLY the same aftermath as 9/11 - increase in security spending. It also said MI5 was CLOSING their organised crime division!! Astonishingly bold!

How do we break through this utter nonsense?

[xmasdale]

[Sinclair]

I have just been skim reading the ‘7/7 narrative’ document (available http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/11_05_06_narrative.pdf here)

I found this statement:
41. As yet little material has been found directly from the others expressing their motivation. There is some evidence that Tanweer was motivated particularly by a desire for martyrdom. As described earlier, there are reports of Hussain and Lindsay expressing extreme views at school. Conspiracy theories also abounded, at least some of the bombers seem to have expressed the view that the 9/11 attacks were a plot by the US.

Where is the evidence for the authorities belief that the suspected ‘bombers’ believed this?????

Of course we will never be able to investigate or verify this claim with any evidence as … (from the Narrative Preface) …Some material has been withheld to avoid prejudicing current or possible future prosecutions, the ongoing police investigation, to protect intelligence relationships, sources and techniques and to avoid providing information that could help future terrorists. The police investigation remains very much a live one, and further information may emerge.

How convenient this caveat is……….

at least some of the bombers seem to have expressed the view that the 9/11 attacks were a plot by the US

This is a slur on 911 Truth, but then again, the whole 7/7 debacle is a slur.

[Adrian]

http://www.officialconfusion.com/77/reportnarrartive.html

[Prole]

A thorough shredding is taking place here:

http://z13.invisionfree.com/julyseventh/index.php?showtopic=205

[paul wright]

Whats that about them catching the 7.48, which arrives too late in London to have caught the connecting Tubes
The official narrative still reports them catching the cancelled 7.40 which we know is bullshite

[Prole]

How about Hasib buying a 9v battery in WH Smiths? Possibly because the previous one failed to detonate?

Or how about Tanweer's trousers changing from white to dark between the service station and Luton?

All day rolling news have been running the CCTV sequence from the so-called rehearsal on 28/6 as if it is the 7th July footage.

Release the evidence!

[numeral]

From the official narrative:

[Ally]

I'd like to know where Rachel got the information Khan knew how to make bombs and attended terrorist training camps.
What utter nonsense, she went on TV filling people's heads with this BS yesterday, has she no shame?

[Rachel]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2179602,00.html

And if it is you leaving death threats in the comments Ally on my blog, please be aware that the IP address of the person has been reported to the police.

[Ally]

[brian]

Rachel, now that it is apparent you are reading the board can you answer a question I put to you before which you never acknowledged.

You have been made aware of security service involvement in the Bologna train bombings.

You have been made aware of the security service involvement in the Madrid bombings.

You have been made aware of the Indonesian security services suspicion the the CIA were responsible for the Bali bombing.

You have been made aware that eyewitness testimony contradicts the official version of the London bombings along with other evidence.

Why is it in light of this you not only refuse to acknowledge even the possibility that the London bombings may not be what we are led to believe but use highly insulting language to describe those that do acknowledge what is at the very least a clear possibility?

Will you now dissappear without answering once more?

[Rachel]

I find it insulting that you seek to exonerate the suicode bombner who killed 26 people feet away from me and injured over a hundred more of all responsibility for his actions, and having been there and survived, have little time conspracy fantasies.

Khan trained at terror camps and knew how to make bombs, he had direct links to other terrorists and was a committed terrorist bent on mass murder. He was quite keen to make this point himself, though he saw himself as a soldier in a war.

M15 know this, the newspapers and police know this, and so do I, and so do es everyone else who keeps on top of the investigation which includes familis and survivors .



I find it highly objectionable, as do most people, that you can surf the net telling survivors they are liars, shills, and mentally ill. How dare you, frankly? I popped back on as I can log on from work to ask Ally, if it is him who is trying to post comments on my blog in which he hopes I am fatally poisoned, to desist, and to point out that I have informed the police.

You should be ashamed of yourselves. I was there, you were not, and yet you have the brass neck to insist I am ill or a liar.

For God's sake, I really do think you are quite mad.

[ian neal]

[Justin]

Excellent post, Ian.

I hope Rachel will answer in the same spirit and hopefully we can clear the air with all this. All we want is for the truth to come out.

Justin

[alkmyst]

Justin wrote:

[insidejob]

[quote="Rachel"]I find it insulting that you seek to exonerate the suicode bombner who killed 26 people feet away from me and injured over a hundred more of all responsibility for his actions, and having been there and survived, have little time conspracy fantasies.

The problem with this view is that it implicitly accuses UK Muslims as potential suicide bombers. The official 7/7 report states that anger over Western policy and the Iraq invasion motivated the bombers. But many UK Muslims and others share that anger. The only thing that made the difference for the bombers were some 'jihadist' videos and DVDs and for Germaine, a extremist cleric. Meanwhile, it took a month or so in Pakistan to turn them into 007s. That is, it doesn't take much to turn UK Muslims into 'soldiers'. And this is where the paranoia of the official explanation is: UK Muslims constitutes a 5th column.

There is also silliness attached to this explanation. We are supposed to believe that the four killed themselves and others because of the suffering imposed on fellow Muslims in Iraq when, we are told, Shia Muslims hate Sunni Muslims, Sunni Muslims hate Kurdish Muslims and they all want a civil war bloodbath. The four may have been angry about the invasion of Iraq, but would they kill themselves over it?

Minister, John Reid, says that they wanted to be martyrs. Most UK Muslims think people who suicide bomb themselves in the UK are off their heads. Among who would the four be martyrs? This is the sought of explanation used by people who think other people are stupid.

The idea that any UK Muslim given a couple of videos could become a suicide bomber is dangerous paranoia.

insidejob

[Pikey]

I endorse everything Ian Neal has blogged

Justin states:-

[Ally]

[ian neal]

I post this link FYI only. I do not recommend that anyone goes onto the forum to challenge this but people should be aware of it. I have responded to similar criticisms from Rachel on these boards before

As I said on this thread

My advice is unless you can prove she is a spook (nigh impossible) I would steer clear of suggesting as much on public bulletin boards. Such musings could be portrayed as callous smeering against an innocent victim etc. and will antagonise undecided readers who will dismiss such speculation as insensitive.

It seems amongst the u75 audience I have been shown to be correct. No surprise there then.