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Museum’s tablet lends new weight to Biblical truth
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2056362.ece
The British Museum yesterday hailed a discovery within a modest clay tablet in its collection as a breakthrough for biblical archaeology – dramatic proof of the accuracy of the Old Testament.
The cuneiform inscription in a tablet dating from 595BC has been deciphered for the first time – revealing a reference to an official at the court of Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, that proves the historical existence of a figure mentioned in the Book of Jeremiah.
This is rare evidence in a nonbiblical source of a real person, other than kings, featured in the Bible.
The tablet names a Babylonian officer called Nebo-Sarsekim, who according to Jeremiah xxxix was present in 587BC when Nebuchadnezzar “marched against Jerusalem with his whole army and laid siege to it”.
The cuneiform inscription records how Nebo-Sarsekim lavished a gift of gold on the Temple of Esangila in the fabled city of Babylon, where, at least in folk tradition, Nebuchadnezzar is credited with building the Hanging Gardens, one of the Seven Wonders of the World. British Museum staff are excited by the discovery. Irving Finkel, assistant keeper in the Department of the Middle East, said: “A mundane commercial transaction takes its place as a primary witness to one of the turning points in Old Testament history. This is a tablet that deserves to be famous.”
The discovery was made by Michael Jursa, associate professor at the University of Vienna, on a routine research trip to the museum. “It’s very exciting and very surprising,” he said. “Finding something like this tablet, where we see a person mentioned in the Bible making an everyday payment to the temple in Babylon and quoting the exact date, is quite extraordinary.”
Since 1991, Dr Jursa has been visiting the museum to study a collection of more than 100,000 inscribed tablets – the world’s largest holdings. Although they are examined by international scholars daily, reading and piecing together fragments is painstaking work and more than half are yet to be published.
Cuneiform is the oldest known form of writing. During its 3,000-year history it was used to write about 15 languages including Babylonian, Assyrian, Hittite and Urartian. A wedged instrument – usually a cut reed – was used to press the signs into clay. This gave the writing system its name, “cuneiform”, or wedge-shaped...........................
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| TonyGosling wrote: | Museum’s tablet lends new weight to Biblical truth
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2056362.ece
The British Museum yesterday hailed a discovery within a modest clay tablet in its collection as a breakthrough for biblical archaeology – dramatic proof of the accuracy of the Old Testament.
The cuneiform inscription in a tablet dating from 595BC has been deciphered for the first time – revealing a reference to an official at the court of Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, that proves the historical existence of a figure mentioned in the Book of Jeremiah.
This is rare evidence in a nonbiblical source of a real person, other than kings, featured in the Bible.
The tablet names a Babylonian officer called Nebo-Sarsekim, who according to Jeremiah xxxix was present in 587BC when Nebuchadnezzar “marched against Jerusalem with his whole army and laid siege to it”.
The cuneiform inscription records how Nebo-Sarsekim lavished a gift of gold on the Temple of Esangila in the fabled city of Babylon, where, at least in folk tradition, Nebuchadnezzar is credited with building the Hanging Gardens, one of the Seven Wonders of the World. British Museum staff are excited by the discovery. Irving Finkel, assistant keeper in the Department of the Middle East, said: “A mundane commercial transaction takes its place as a primary witness to one of the turning points in Old Testament history. This is a tablet that deserves to be famous.”
The discovery was made by Michael Jursa, associate professor at the University of Vienna, on a routine research trip to the museum. “It’s very exciting and very surprising,” he said. “Finding something like this tablet, where we see a person mentioned in the Bible making an everyday payment to the temple in Babylon and quoting the exact date, is quite extraordinary.”
Since 1991, Dr Jursa has been visiting the museum to study a collection of more than 100,000 inscribed tablets – the world’s largest holdings. Although they are examined by international scholars daily, reading and piecing together fragments is painstaking work and more than half are yet to be published.
Cuneiform is the oldest known form of writing. During its 3,000-year history it was used to write about 15 languages including Babylonian, Assyrian, Hittite and Urartian. A wedged instrument – usually a cut reed – was used to press the signs into clay. This gave the writing system its name, “cuneiform”, or wedge-shaped...........................
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Is that the same british museum that instructed the early egyptian archeologists to destroy and suppress all evidence which contradicts the christian church, yes, thought so. Hardly suprising that this has turned up then.  One small fact mixed with heaps of fiction, well that proves the bible is true, i'm converted. Shall i go and symbolically eat the body of christ and symbolically drink his blood now if i want to join a certain sect of the christian cult? or given its correct terminology, symbolically engage in acts of cannibalism?  |
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The days of the jealous god YHWH (Enlil) holding dominion of the earthly realm are almost over. The ascendency of Enki, the true creator (genetic engineer) of man will provide the opportunity to bring about viable alternatives to the global chaos, instigated and perpetuated by the Enlilian mafia of the Roman Church and the Zionists.
Pathetic attempts to bolster the credence of biblical texts are little more than a futile rearguard action. The ME's are changing hands... and those who consider themselves to be the current owners of the Capstone, damn well know it!
Those YHWH disciples who crave the moment of rapture, may be in for a rather rude awakening.
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| The Watcher wrote: | The days of the jealous god YHWH (Enlil) holding dominion of the earthly realm are almost over. The ascendency of Enki, the true creator (genetic engineer) of man will provide the opportunity to bring about viable alternatives to the global chaos, instigated and perpetuated by the Enlilian mafia of the Roman Church and the Zionists.
Pathetic attempts to bolster the credence of biblical texts are little more than a futile rearguard action. The ME's are changing hands... and those who consider themselves to be the current owners of the Capstone, damn well know it!
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| Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 8:09 am Post subject: Historical Evidence vs. Silly Beliefs |
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Tony Gosling wrote:
| Quote: | | ...and historical evidence is the enemy of silly beliefs |
Oh, how true!
The primary motivation for the Fench Revolution, instigated by Maximillian Robespierre & co in 1789 was to eradicate the false religion of Catholocism. Robespierre, Cagliostro, the Duc d'Orlean (who changed his name to Philippe Egalite) and a few other 'adepts' were students of the remnants of the Ancient Mystery Schools .... but just as the Aztecs completely misunderstood the wisdom of their Mayan ancestors, so the Europeans misunderstood and misrepresented the Egyptian wisdom.
1790, cue the birth of one Jean-Francois Champollion, who at the age of seven told his parents that he had come to decipher the Egyptian hieroglyphs. It was to be a further two years (1799) before Pierre-Francoise Bouchard, a Captain in Napoleon's Egyptian invasion force, stumbled across the Rosetta Stone, whilst supervising some construction work near the Egyptian port of Rosetta (known today as Rashid).
It was to be a further 23 years before Champollion was to complete his mission but it would be true to say that 1822 signalled the era of ancient wisdom being returned to humanity. Having entered the dark ages on 28th October 312A.D., when the son of a Roman Noble and Helena, a British Princess, snatched victory at the Battle of the Milvian Bridge. Having declared himself Emperor of Rome, in 315AD Constantine made Christiantity the Official Religion of the Roman Empire ... and it was from this point forward that the real persecutions began.
The destruction of the great libraries of the Serapeum and Alexandria (both of which were founded by the Greeks, in the effort to comprehend the magnitude of Egyptian wisdom) and the brutal murder of Hypatia at the hands of the Cyrilian monks, characterised the attitude of the Roman Church to anything that exposed the fraud of the Christian dogma. The destruction of any literature containing pre-Christian knowledge and philosophy was continued with the 16th Century burning of tens of thousands of Mayan and Aztec Codices. An atrocity led by Bishop Diego de Landa; whose enthusiasm was so extreme that he was recalled to Spain and told to execise greater discretion. In an act of Cosmic humour, it is with no little irony that 40 years later de Landa was to author a book that four hundred years later was to be instrumental in deciphering the Mayan Glyphs.
The desire to protect the outrageous dogma of the Christian Religion was one of the primary motivations for demonising Saddam Hussain. Saddam believed that he was the re-incarnation of Nebucanezza (and if you know anything about the belief systems of the ruling elite, you will know that this claim was treated with great seriousness by the Vatican and those stalking the upper echelons of the Secret Brotherhoods). Saddam was determined to restore the ancient glory of Babylon and put significant effort and resources into rebuilding many of the ancient ziggurats and to the further discovery of hundreds (if not thousands) of Sumerian tablets. All of which were collated and catalogued in the Museum of Bahgdad.
Quelle surprise that no sooner had the US invasion forces arrived in Bahgdad and the Museum is looted and many ancient treasures destroyed. There is also evidence that teams of US 'archeological researchers' were dispatched throughout Iraq to 'seek & destroy' anything that may threaten to undermine the mythological Christian era dogma created initially by the Council of Nicea in 325AD.
Where does the name Jesus Christ come from? Well, in his desire to establish a single religion, Constantine instructed the Council to synthesise all the various religious teachings of the 4th Century Roman Empire. It took the 318 gathered Bishops, priests & deacons almost eighteen months to slug out a common name for their new supreme deity. The names of 53 gods were tabled for discussion; Apollo, Zeus, Ceasar, Mithra & Horus emerged as the favourites but they could not reach agreement. Constantine was an astute kiddy and demanded that the appropriate creativity be brought to bear, so that all regions of the Empire could identify with the new deity. After excessive debate, Constantine ultimately decided to use his executive authority. To placate the British factions, he ruled that the name of the great Druid god, Hesus be joined with the eastern saviour-god, Krishna. Therefore Hesus Krishna became the name for the proposed deity. A vote was taken and on a show of hands (161 votes to 157) it was agreed that these two divinities be synthesised into the supreme deity of the Roman Empire.
(Source: Historica Ecclesiastica, Eusebius, circa 326AD)
Ever since that fateful ruling, the Roman Church has mounted a global campaign to eradicate any evidence that could potentially undermine the basis of their absurd dogma.
... and I haven't even started on the ridiculous synthesis of the Jewish texts with the Nicean Canon, known today as the New Testament. An amazing piece of intellectual and spiritual jiggery-pokery, designed to placate the expanding Jewish community resident within the Roman Empire.
In reality, this moment in history signalled the introduction of a level of spiritual intolerance unknown since the days of Akhenaten. An intolerance which has been used to perpetuate chaos & mayhem for almost 1,700 years. The game is accelerating as epitomised by the current pontiff's recent announcement that Roman Catholicism is the only true path. Cue the rhetoric for instigating another bout of Holy Wars ... all conducted on behalf of their respective gods of love. Give me a fricking break!
As I have stated previously, the ME's are changing hands and humanity is now being given the opportunity to see through this veil of religious deceit.
As Tony rightly points out, historical evidence is indeed the enemy of silly beliefs. Tony would do well to reflect upon his own tag line.
"The maintenance of secrets acts like a psychic poison which alienates the possessor from the community" Carl Jung
The Roman Church and its' subordinate brotherhoods being the greatest purveyors of psychic poison since YHWH (Enlil) and a couple of his henchmen accosted Abraham in Genesis 18!
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| The Watcher wrote: | Tony Gosling wrote:
| Quote: | | ...and historical evidence is the enemy of silly beliefs |
Oh, how true!
The primary motivation for the Fench Revolution, instigated by Maximillian Robespierre & co in 1789 was to eradicate the false religion of Catholocism. Robespierre, Cagliostro, the Duc d'Orlean (who changed his name to Philippe Egalite) and a few other 'adepts' were students of the remnants of the Ancient Mystery Schools .... but just as the Aztecs completely misunderstood the wisdom of their Mayan ancestors, so the Europeans misunderstood and misrepresented the Egyptian wisdom.
1790, cue the birth of one Jean-Francois Champollion, who at the age of seven told his parents that he had come to decipher the Egyptian hieroglyphs. It was to be a further two years (1799) before Pierre-Francoise Bouchard, a Captain in Napoleon's Egyptian invasion force, stumbled across the Rosetta Stone, whilst supervising some construction work near the Egyptian port of Rosetta (known today as Rashid).
It was to be a further 23 years before Champollion was to complete his mission but it would be true to say that 1822 signalled the era of ancient wisdom being returned to humanity. Having entered the dark ages on 28th October 312A.D., when the son of a Roman Noble and Helena, a British Princess, snatched victory at the Battle of the Milvian Bridge. Having declared himself Emperor of Rome, in 315AD Constantine made Christiantity the Official Religion of the Roman Empire ... and it was from this point forward that the real persecutions began.
The destruction of the great libraries of the Serapeum and Alexandria (both of which were founded by the Greeks, in the effort to comprehend the magnitude of Egyptian wisdom) and the brutal murder of Hypatia at the hands of the Cyrilian monks, characterised the attitude of the Roman Church to anything that exposed the fraud of the Christian dogma. The destruction of any literature containing pre-Christian knowledge and philosophy was continued with the 16th Century burning of tens of thousands of Mayan and Aztec Codices. An atrocity led by Bishop Diego de Landa; whose enthusiasm was so extreme that he was recalled to Spain and told to execise greater discretion. In an act of Cosmic humour, it is with no little irony that 40 years later de Landa was to author a book that four hundred years later was to be instrumental in deciphering the Mayan Glyphs.
The desire to protect the outrageous dogma of the Christian Religion was one of the primary motivations for demonising Saddam Hussain. Saddam believed that he was the re-incarnation of Nebucanezza (and if you know anything about the belief systems of the ruling elite, you will know that this claim was treated with great seriousness by the Vatican and those stalking the upper echelons of the Secret Brotherhoods). Saddam was determined to restore the ancient glory of Babylon and put significant effort and resources into rebuilding many of the ancient ziggurats and to the further discovery of hundreds (if not thousands) of Sumerian tablets. All of which were collated and catalogued in the Museum of Bahgdad.
Quelle surprise that no sooner had the US invasion forces arrived in Bahgdad and the Museum is looted and many ancient treasures destroyed. There is also evidence that teams of US 'archeological researchers' were dispatched throughout Iraq to 'seek & destroy' anything that may threaten to undermine the mythological Christian era dogma created initially by the Council of Nicea in 325AD.
Where does the name Jesus Christ come from? Well, in his desire to establish a single religion, Constantine instructed the Council to synthesise all the various religious teachings of the 4th Century Roman Empire. It took the 318 gathered Bishops, priests & deacons almost eighteen months to slug out a common name for their new supreme deity. The names of 53 gods were tabled for discussion; Apollo, Zeus, Ceasar, Mithra & Horus emerged as the favourites but they could not reach agreement. Constantine was an astute kiddy and demanded that the appropriate creativity be brought to bear, so that all regions of the Empire could identify with the new deity. After excessive debate, Constantine ultimately decided to use his executive authority. To placate the British factions, he ruled that the name of the great Druid god, Hesus be joined with the eastern saviour-god, Krishna. Therefore Hesus Krishna became the name for the proposed deity. A vote was taken and on a show of hands (161 votes to 157) it was agreed that these two divinities be synthesised into the supreme deity of the Roman Empire.
(Source: Historica Ecclesiastica, Eusebius, circa 326AD)
Ever since that fateful ruling, the Roman Church has mounted a global campaign to eradicate any evidence that could potentially undermine the basis of their absurd dogma.
... and I haven't even started on the ridiculous synthesis of the Jewish texts with the Nicean Canon, known today as the New Testament. An amazing piece of intellectual and spiritual jiggery-pokery, designed to placate the expanding Jewish community resident within the Roman Empire.
In reality, this moment in history signalled the introduction of a level of spiritual intolerance unknown since the days of Akhenaten. An intolerance which has been used to perpetuate chaos & mayhem for almost 1,700 years. The game is accelerating as epitomised by the current pontiff's recent announcement that Roman Catholicism is the only true path. Cue the rhetoric for instigating another bout of Holy Wars ... all conducted on behalf of their respective gods of love. Give me a fricking break!
As I have stated previously, the ME's are changing hands and humanity is now being given the opportunity to see through this veil of religious deceit.
As Tony rightly points out, historical evidence is indeed the enemy of silly beliefs. Tony would do well to reflect upon his own tag line.
"The maintenance of secrets acts like a psychic poison which alienates the possessor from the community" Carl Jung
The Roman Church and its' subordinate brotherhoods being the greatest purveyors of psychic poison since YHWH (Enlil) and a couple of his henchmen accosted Abraham in Genesis 18!
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Great post watcher, how refreshing to see some truth posted on the religious frauds issue.
I bet the usual christian apologists on here, stelios etc will be nowhere to be seen, or if they do reply, it will be with you are a satanist, nazi etc.
I recollect during the american carpet bombing of iraq, that the sumerian tablets site, i forget the name, was being bombed because, '''saddam loyalists were using it as a hideout''' surely an excuse as ridiculous as swamp gas official denying ready made red herrings.
Now, if jesus really existed, along with the christian god, surely, surely, the 'leaders' of this religious cult would produce all evidence to be openly examined by everyone.
Now if the jesus is a hoax, along with the created chritian faith was a hoax, then we would see every effort and no cost spared in repressing and destroying eveidence that contradicts the hoax.
The smithsonian institute along with numerous other 'investigating official bodies' have demonstrated that evidence must be suppressed and destroyed at every opportunity. (usually the title Royal in an organisations name is a dead giveaway to its hoaxing rating ability)
We now have the pro christian extremists and fundamentalists promoting anything, anything at all, that supports there elaborate, but often clumsy hoax. Including this tablet that refrences one historical figure as proof the bible is an accurate historical/religious refrence book.
numerous examples of suppressing and destroying artifacts/texts have been exposed down the years. Why would archeologists be instructed to destroy or suppress discoveries, (or the funding would be stopped and the archeological leader be relaced) that contradict the christian faith if they have nothing to hide?
Of course the vast majority of followers of religions have not got any idea about the destrucition/suppression of truth, and thats how the churches like things to be. |
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| TonyGosling wrote: | ...and historical evidence is the enemy of silly beliefs 
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I thought French Rev was to Bankrupt England and gıve the reıns of the to be 1st world to Rothschıld
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| And exactly why do we need the Old Testament to be historically accurate in order to love our neighbour? |
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Having reviewed some of Tony Gosling's posts on this forum, I sense a very interesting enigma; his investigative work on the Bilderbergers is absolutely first rate. If his website www.bilderberg.org is anything to go by, he is probably amongst the world's leading authorities on this obnoxious group. Excellent research based upon solid evidence ... so I have a question, founded in genuine curiosity:
Tony, is your spiritual philosophy founded on orthodox or gnostic Christianity?
I look forward to reading your response.
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| TonyGosling wrote: | Errrrrrr..... Orthodox I'd say. From unorthodox angles.
The Bible, OT & NT, is the history of God's people - The Koran, the teachings of one of the great prophets of God.
'2000 years of history, can not be wiped away so easily'.
I believe that the secret government, the parallel government, rogue network, forces of darkness or whatever you want to call them are ultimately on a hiding to nothing.
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2000 years of history, cannot be wiped away so easily, is that a quote from the late, great, Robert Nester Marley? and isant the next line, Zion train is coming our way? i wonder what that could mean? |
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Yes, what an untimely death, another who was uniting people through love and education.
Ambush.
they tell us what we know is just what they teach us,
thru political strategy
they keep us hungry
when you gonna get some food
your brother got to be your enemy
ambush in the night
all guns aiming at me
ambush in the night
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steve irwin had the same message but how we look at the animal kingdom
rather than ourselves, its sadning that these type of people all die young, john lennon to and princess di and 2pac they all had a message to change and had a platform from which to spread their message, theres proberbly more.
i aint saying theres anything in any of them i simply don't know, but i do find it strange how those who try to teach us something good all die young. bob marley was the greatest and he set the steppings stones for reggae to be an education rather than just banging beats and repeating the same meaningless lyrics, and its why its given a bad image by the mainstream ie:drugs gansta's etc.
bob may be gone but his work continues with each generation of jamaican musicians and his son ziggy and others worldwide who respect him, respect to them for doing the same and shouting the message and picking up the reins, to ensure bob is not forgotten. |
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This has gone off the original topic a bit, but I guess Bob Marley was "onto something" in the same way that John Lennon, and maybe Bill Hicks were...
Anyone seen the US vs John Lennon?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0478049/
This had a limited release in London last year, before being pulled.
Should be available on Peer2Peer networks and is well worth getting hold of.
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| Quote: | Where does the name Jesus Christ come from? Well, in his desire to establish a single religion, Constantine instructed the Council to synthesise all the various religious teachings of the 4th Century Roman Empire. It took the 318 gathered Bishops, priests & deacons almost eighteen months to slug out a common name for their new supreme deity. The names of 53 gods were tabled for discussion; Apollo, Zeus, Ceasar, Mithra & Horus emerged as the favourites but they could not reach agreement. Constantine was an astute kiddy and demanded that the appropriate creativity be brought to bear, so that all regions of the Empire could identify with the new deity. After excessive debate, Constantine ultimately decided to use his executive authority. To placate the British factions, he ruled that the name of the great Druid god, Hesus be joined with the eastern saviour-god, Krishna. Therefore Hesus Krishna became the name for the proposed deity. A vote was taken and on a show of hands (161 votes to 157) it was agreed that these two divinities be synthesised into the supreme deity of the Roman Empire.
(Source: Historica Ecclesiastica, Eusebius, circa 326AD) |
Is there any chance of a passage reference for this? It's just that Eusebius was a pretty devout fella and in my Penguin copy of history of the church (different title but same actual text I believe) he says stuff like -
| Quote: | | Both Jesus and Christ were names honoured even by God's beloved prophets of old, as I must now make clear. The extreme sanctity and glory of the name Christ was first proclaimed by Moses himself... |
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Etc etc and goes on a bit about how holy the name is; no mention I can see of pitching in with the Hare Krishnas there or pleasing the Brits (the Romans tended to tolerate the deities worshipped in other cultures and merge them with their own Gods of similar characteristics). AFAIK, any Hesus is more likely to be Esus (Gaulish God), but at any rate the Romans were not in the habit of cowtowing to any provincial deity, particularly not in a far-flung province like Britain. Or from the East. Constantine's coins preceding his overt embrace of Christianity veered towards depicting Sol Invictus, so it'd have been a far more logical choice to draw on if you were going to muck about in that way.
It also seems rather unnecessary as Christianity had been kicking around for years before big C came out of the closet. I was never personally aware Christ went through some re-branding exercise, but would it really matter anyway? Snickers bars still taste an awful lot like Marathon bars did, or so I am told.
When Rome went Christian, Constantine legislated to favour Christianity but not to persecute pagans. He had a bigger problem with heresy. Christianity hit Rome as it entered its nadir - pagan Rome did all the conquering and perpetrated some very dark deeds - for example the incredible levels of slaughter inflicted upon Gaul and Carthage. Christian Byzantium, as the last vestige of Rome, maintained a high level of cultural and technical sophistication until its decline. They even had frikkin ship mounted flame throwers - the exact formula of the presumably oil-and-wood-shavings-or-whatever 'Greek fire' died with their empire. The Orthodox Byzantines also heavily relied on mercenaries as, IIRC, they were forbidden to take mass while engaged in acts of violence - hardly violent psychopaths
Anyway, Eusebius was a dull f*cker I'm loathe to read through fully, so any directing to any particular passage would be appreciated - I'm no expert on this stuff, but do find it very interesting.
I think I have issues with that stuff about the French Revolution and Saddam Hussain, too, but can't be arsed with that.
Just to wind people up, I'd also like to say John Lennon was a bit of a tw@t. It's very easy to swan around saying you're against war while going on enormous shopping trips and spending ridiculous amounts of money - the 'revolutionary' serving as an idol of consumer fetishism, ad man for corporate feudalism. Sting, Bono and a gaggle of other pampered pop stars find it very easy to be right on from the luxury of their mansions. Curiously, all these folk have scant little to say about disparities in wealth unless it's in a country a long way away. And doing a shedload of acid and having a few insights does not mean you're 'on to something' except the bleeding obvious - i.e. bombing other people is a a bit off.
Bill Hicks ruled though.
And, after sticking up for JC's Holy Name a bit, I'll pitch in with this choonz-in and finish by putting my love for the lyricism of anarcho punk via the specific example of Crass, the irony being they did reality asylum which was the most vicious attack on Christianity I've ever heard a band do.
| Quote: | Throughout the world millions of people are employed making armaments
Don't they realise that it's ordinary people like themselves who'll suffer the effects of their filthy labour?
The wealthy obscene with their obscene wealth
Applaud the carnage from their grandstand
It's as if they were at Ascot laying their bets
Five to one on the four horsemen
They believe that money can buy them out of responsibility
That they have for the world that they bleed dry
They are the true pornographers
The real stylists in human perversion
Rich educated tarts sit dumbly by
Watching their fortunes rise and fall
In the neatly pressed pinstripe suits of the city
Debutante whores in rich man's castles
The ruling elite with their puppet figurehead
Queen Elizabeth the second, Regina Virginia
Strut about on the millions of bodies
That they have sacrificed to gain their position
Who are these leaders but those who made violence pay?
Who are they but the inheritors of their ancestors greed and theft?
Their blood stained flags are rags to our future
Tattered remnants of our individual rights
These rulers are common murderers and theives
But still we bow before them
For how long will the masses
Be so pathetically manipulated by God, Queen and country? |
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Personally I thought Tosh rocked and Marley sucked. No woman no cry vies with İmagine and Walk on da Wild side for the pretentious dirge posing as musical icon award
Stir it up - what a bassline
Bob Markley - now yr talkin...
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Dogs - How well dya know the Talmud? B honest now...
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Reminds me of a NİCE biscuit only a bit more recent
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:49 pm Post subject: Re: Historical Evidence vs. Silly Beliefs |
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| Long Tooth wrote: | Now, if jesus really existed, along with the christian god, surely, surely, the 'leaders' of this religious cult would produce all evidence to be openly examined by everyone.
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Firstly let me explain for future reference. there is only one God, the Christian God, Muslim God, Jewish God, Catholic God, Orthodox God are all the same God.
Secondly there is more evidence for the existence of Jesus than there is for the existence of King Herod or Caesar. Historical records were kept of all births deaths and marraiges. The Romans were quite efficient as were Jewish scribes. The fact is whether you believe the teachings of Jesus you cannot deny his existence.
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numerous examples of suppressing and destroying artifacts/texts have been exposed down the years. Why would archeologists be instructed to destroy or suppress discoveries, (or the funding would be stopped and the archeological leader be relaced) that contradict the christian faith if they have nothing to hide?
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Yes you are correct there have been various artifacts destroyed or hidden from the public. The reason is politics. William Tyndale was imprisoned and executed for challenging the Catholic church. All he did was translate the bible into english. Because religion has become big business.
Artifacts from the dead sea scrolls to the gospel of Mary Magdaline and the Gospel of Thomas have been destroyed, disputed, and scorned because they challenge certain religious dogma but at the same time give weight to other religions views.
So hegemony is the name of the game.
Communism banned religion because it saw it as a threat to it's (communism's) control over peoples lives. However, artifacts are not important. No religion relies on artifacts to my knowledge, Religion is a feeling, it is in your heart and it stays with you. You do not need any symbols or objects or artifacts to believe or to exercise your belief.
In fact it is expressly forbidden to have any artifacts, objects, images, statues, etc.
You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or worship them
This ofcourse refers to any artifact
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Of course the vast majority of followers of religions have not got any idea about the destrucition/suppression of truth, and thats how the churches like things to be. |
Long Tooth i know you mean well. but just one point. You have to seperate the institution from the religion. You see many churches, mosques and cynagogues and other temples are run as businesses. They advertise, they invest money in stock markets and property and land, they raise large revenues from donations and wills. And in many ways are in competition with each other.
you cannot confuse nore blame RELIGION for mistakes that are made by businesses which are all trading under the banner of religion but with only their own rules.
You see you can if you want start your own religion, rent a community centre or a church hall once a week for your meetings and start to hand out leaflets for new members and start to raise money. Eventually your congregation may grow, you could end up build a huge temple and get your own radio and tv stations too. But what does this have to do with religion?
This is why Jesus stated during the sermon on the mount
"The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, nor can people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within you."..................Men will tell you, 'There it is!' or 'Here it is!' Do not go running off after them.
This passage expressly forbids people to follow the teachings of any other person. It quite clearly states the kingdom of God is within all of us, we do not need any artifacts or buildings nor do we need to listen to any men telling us what to do. In fact anyone who believes in God is expressly forbidding from it.
So please seperate the religion from the bricks and mortar. They do not belong together.
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| the watcher wrote: | | when the son of a Roman Noble and Helena, a British Princess, |
Hang on a sec, that's just not right. Helena was from Bithynia in Asia Minor, part of what's Turkey today.. It's generally claimed she was an innkeepers daughter. She was certainly no Briton and certainly no princess. Constantine's Dad, Constantius 'Chlorus', dumped her for Maximian's daughter Theodora. He died in York, but certainly didn't marry any of the locals. Helena rose from obscurity when she trekked off to the Holy Land as an old dear and returned with (allegedly) the True Cross, thus achieving sainthood. Or so says John Julius Norwich and, being a leading scholar of Byzantium, he knows these things.
Thinking about it more, I can't be bothered to go rooting stuff out but I'm sure the name of Christ way precedes Nicea. For example, I'm sure the chi rho, the first two letters of His name in Greek was already kicking about before Constantines time.
Rodin - I know b* all about the Talmud.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 10:23 pm Post subject: Here is the key to bible prophecy |
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I am a dedicated follower of Jesus Christ and Jehovah. Congratulations on your current search for truth, I can see it has been quite successful so far.
Here is the key to bible prophecy.
10 = Completness on earth
7 = Spiritual Completness
6 = Spiritual Incompletness
3 = Superior Emphasis
Beasts = world powers
Horns = indivdual "kings" or their kingdoms
Water = Spiritual Energy (Chi / Holy Spirit / Psychic energy)
Water from the Dragons mouth = Negative spiritual energy used to manipulate the masses.
The sea = The people of the nations that are drowned in this energy.
A time = A luna year's worth of prophetic days. Each day equals one literal year.
----------Daniel----------
---The great image shown to Nebuchadnezzar represents the succession of world powers.
Babylon - Head of Gold
Medo Persia - Arms of Silver
Greece - Belly of Copper
Rome evolving into Roman Catholic empire - Legs of Iron
Democratic & Economic "New World Order" - Feet of mixed Iron & Clay
---The beasts shown to Daniel.
Babylon - Winged Lion
Medo Persia - Bear
Greece - 4 headed Winged Leopard (4 heads represent the 4 divisions after Alexander the Great)
Rome / Roman Catholic Empire - 10 horned Beast
British Empire - The horn that stands up from that empire and humiliates 3 other countries (horns). The 3 horns represent France Spain and the Netherlands.
---The great tree which was chopped down.
Represents Nebuchadnezzar's kingdom which was restored to him.
Also prophetically represents the fall of the old Jerusalem at the hands of the babylonians and the rise of the new Jerusalem which is in the heavens. Jerusalem would return after 7 times. 1914 is the date calculated by taking the number of days in 7 times (the jewish calender is based on the moon; 360 * 7 = 2520) and, using a day as a year, adding that time onto the destruction of Jerusalem by babylon in 607 BC.
---King of the North & King of the South Prophecies
King of the South = The succession of world powers described by the other visions in Daniel.
King of the North = The succession of the king of the south's enemies, one evolving into another.
The prophecy is reffering to the battles between these "kings" which would involve Israel and the Jews. More explanation can be offered. I've only offered the interpretation pertaining to our "last days".
Daniel 11:27-31 = King of South = UK US alliance. King of North = Germany.
27 - 30 = WW1
Kittim = cyprus, which was under british rule. Denotes britain's naval superiority which won the 1st world war.
30 - 31 = WW2
Germany went back, this time acting against the holy covenant by trying to destroy the jews and other non-politcal christians.
Last part of 31 - 35
The disgusting thing = New World Order (note: the scripture says "they" suggesting that both sides of the conflict at that point would be responsible. The illuminati's globalisation ideology ultimately takes hold after WW2. Germany finally onside and a member of the UN, plans for a united Europe are able to take shape and consolodation is free to become established and entrenched.
Daniel 11:36 - 39 = King of South = UK US Alliance / New World Order. King of North = Russia.
These scriptures describe the cold war arms race and rise of capitalism. Russia obviously evolved from Germany since it was once an ally.
Daniel 11:40 - 45 = King of South = New World Order. King of North = Islam.
Islam evolves from Russia as the next king by the breakdown of the USSR. Islam rises as the new king of the north, fueled by Russia's weapons. Meddling foreign policies by the US and USSR create the motivation for hatred against the New World Order.
41 - 43
The New World Order enters into the land of decoration by keeping Israel as a subject.
Hidden treasures = Oil (Black Gold) & resources.
Edom, Moab and the sons of Ammon are the modern day Palestinians.
Egypt, Libya and Ethiopa, despite being divided by the two ideologies, remain under the control of the King of the south.
44 - 45
Currently being fulfilled, likely to culminate in war against Iran and other Islamic strongholds (e.g. Palestine) as part of this "campaign against terror". News "reports" and rumors coming from the east and north of Israel have plagued this current New World Order in recent years and they are responding violently.
--------Revelation---------
Revelation's prophecies are about the "last days" which start from 1914. The kingdom of the heavens did battle with the wicked spirits and exiled them to earth on that date.
7 headed wild beast = The Democratic New World Order. Composed of all the elements of the previous world powers this beast is made up of a number of kings (horns).
It's 7 heads represent the 7 world powers it evolves from, Egypt, Assyria,
Babylonia, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, British empire. One of it's head's recieves a death blow and is then ressurected symbolising Rome's decline then ressurection as the Roman Catholic Empire.
The 2 horned Wild beast = The Anglo American World Power that breathes life to the Democratic New World Order and forces everyone to bow down to it.
The Mark of the Beast 666 = Given to those that support the Capitalist ideologies of the New World Order. The freemasons claim their roots from Solomon's temple. On Solomon's first years rule his economy totalled 666 talents of gold.
Babylon the Great = The Vatican
The Vatican will suffer destruction at the hands of the new world order. The vatican became the harlot instead of a beast once the age of enlightenment had really taken hold in europe.
The Seven Bowls of Anger
1st Bowl = The plague of Malignant Ulcers (Cancer)
2nd Bowl = The death of the seas and the loss of their capacity to rejuvanate the ecological cycle.
3rd Bowl = The diminishing of the fresh water supply, aggrevated by the loss of the ice reserves and glaciers.
4th Bowl = The Scorching Sun and it's increasing danger to life.
5th Bowl = The increasing fear and discontent experienced by all those without vision in the dominion of the New World Order
6th Bowl = Spiritual support from the people would dry up for the Vatican (Babylon the Great. The Euphrates was Babylon's river and water supply.)
7th Bowl = The destruction of our Air supply by pollution.
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The Illuminati gain information and direction from the spirit world through their occult practises. Each of these world powers have a demonic "prince" that rules over them as described in Daniel before the prophecy of the King of the North and South.
This accounts for their ability to execute such a long term plan of domination. Note that the border between these kingdoms has been pretty much split down the line of Israel.
All these prophecies point to one thing, the establishment of the Kingdom of the heavens, here on earth with Jesus as the King who leads the armies of heaven.
According to the bible, it would appear almost upon us. 6000 years from Adam's birth took us to 1975. Mankind's test is to last 7000 years from Adam's sin. The final 1000 is for after armaggedon, again described in Revelation. When Adam sinned, noone knows. But we know the kingdom must come soon. Adam had Seth at 130 which takes us to 2105... and he must have sinned way before that.
I look forward to hearing your comments.
Best Regards
Geoff Connett.
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| Quote: | | The Mark of the Beast 666 = Given to those that support the Capitalist ideologies of the New World Order. |
Most people have interpreted this as being barcodes and microchips inserted into people.
Every barcode contains the numbers 666 in the form 6xxxxxx6xxxxxx6 and a barcode is found on everything bought and sold virtually.
A microchip is composed of a number which presumably matches a barcode. Muslims and Christians both believe that the day will come when everyone will be forced to wear the mark.
Jehovahs witnesses interestingly reject crosses and other symbols and objects.
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| Quote: | | Every barcode contains the numbers 666 |
No it does not.
http://www.snopes.com/business/alliance/barcode.asp
| Quote: | Urban Legends Reference Pages: 666 Barcode
Claim: The infamous number '666' appears in all product barcodes.
Status: False.
Origins: "No one could buy or sell unless he had this mark, that is, the beast's name or the number that stands for his name." — Revelation
13:17-18
THE EAN-13 barcode system is used in 85 countries, making it the most popular product scanning system of its kind in the world. It works by
representing numbers as a series of seven vertical lines. Each of the
seven lines is either black or white, and the sequence of lines forms a
pattern which is recognized as a particular digit when scanned by a
computer. Every product is assigned a unique thirteen-digit number (ten
digits for the product itself, a check digit, and a couple of flag
characters to indicate which organization assigned the number).
Contrary to popular myth, no bar code includes the number 666. This belief arose because the number six is represented by a pattern similar to that of the guard bars used to mark the beginning, middle, and end of every bar code. Since the guard bars always appear three times in a given bar code, people who mistakenly read them as sixes claimed that the pattern 6-6-6 was embedded in every bar code. However, if you look closely at the '6' in a bar code, you will see that there is a wide white bar either to the left or the right of its pattern (depending upon where within the bar code the number is positioned), which is not the case with the guard bars. The only numbers on the bar code which are scanned are those shown in the conventional numerals underneath it. |
The following link gives a breakdown of the barcode and explains where the confusion arises.
http://www.av1611.org/666/barcode.html |
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