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marndin
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 Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 6:46 pm Post subject: STATEMENT FROM THE GLASTONBURY SYMPOSIUM RE. DAVID SHAYLER |
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STATEMENT FROM THE GLASTONBURY SYMPOSIUM RE. DAVID SHAYLER
From the Glastonbury Symposium organisers, 2 August 2007:
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Many people are now aware of David Shayler’s rather extraordinary claim to be the new Messiah at the Glastonbury Symposium on Sunday 29th July 2007. This was an unexpected development, and David had given no hint of this when he spoke with Symposium organiser Andy Thomas just a week and a half before the event.
The Glastonbury Symposium usually sells recordings of its lectures to attendees of the weekend conference. After consultation with concerned parties, and compassionate requests from several directions, it has been decided, in the light of David’s announcement, to withhold both the DVD and audio release of his contribution. Thus the DVD and CD of the Symposium Sunday evening will contain Ian Crane’s excellent lecture, but not David Shayler’s following presentation.
Our reasons for doing this are not to do with censorship, but rather out of respect to David and the causes he supports. It was clear to most of those present at the Symposium that, whatever the truth or otherwise of his claims, what was witnessed was the testimony of a man in deep personal trauma. We feel it is unfair that this performance should be shared widely at this time. It is also inevitable that David’s current crisis will be used by outsiders to discredit the good work he has done thus far in political truth arenas, and we want to limit the extent of such damage.
What David himself wishes to reveal elsewhere about his contribution to the Symposium and his new claims is a personal choice on his part and beyond our control. We wish him well in his continuing mission to find himself and his true role in the scheme of things, and we honour what are clearly good intentions. However, we feel it is not appropriate that we should play a part in spreading availability of an aspect that David may, in more balanced times, wish to play down later.
We thank people for their understanding.
THE GLASTONBURY SYMPOSIUM |
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Stephen
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Listen, how do we know that he's going through deep personal trauma?
he could be having a wonderfull experience, and he's just expressing it in a drifferent way.
I'm starting to get annoyed about this, I understand most poeple are concerned for David but I'm sure it will all turn out fine in the end, I'm not having a go at you Marndin, just that we don't know what's really going on with Dave and the chances are that all this stuff could be a really possative experence for him. 
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ian neal
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 11:40 am Post subject: |
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| Where I agree with you Stephen is the only person who knows how David is, is David and given the nature of his claims he may be a bit confused and unsure himself. Those who have been close to him over the past few months will have their own insights. And the rest us are guessing. David is one campaigner amongst many and it serves no ones interests for us to endlessly discuss David's situation in public from a position of ignorance or to give this matter a prominence frankly that in the wider scheme of things it does not deserve. I'm going on holiday next week. Let's hope things have blown over by the time I'm back |
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Busker
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 11:52 am Post subject: Re: STATEMENT FROM THE GLASTONBURY SYMPOSIUM RE. DAVID SHAYL |
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| marndin wrote: | | Our reasons for doing this are not to do with censorship, but rather out of respect to David and the causes he supports. |
Unless Shayler has specifically withdrawn his permission for his presentation to be published, I cannot think of any other way of describing this action other than censorship.
The "respect for David" bit sounds way too New Labour for me to be comfortable with.
The rabbit is already out of the hat with what was said and spread across the internet. Denying people access to the primary source footage only compounds the speculation and "chinese whispers" about what was, or was not said.
I really do not think with-holding material of this nature is compatible with what claims to be a "truth" movement. |
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ian neal
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I wasn't there. I haven't seen the video and I have not been involved in any discussions about whether to release it or not but I understand the watcher accurately described the event and I believe GS organisers are totally sincere when they say they are acting in what they believe are david's best interests and the interests of 911 truth. What else is there to know?
Still if you want to continue to analyse and speculate about an event of little consequence (other than for David) then be my guest. This is presuming that like myself you do not accept David as the messiah. If you want to influence whether GS about their decision I suggest you appeal to the right people directly
Given that David is currently down at a very big public gathering to do with the environment  this weekend, I suspect every man and his dog will get the chance to learn what David has to say soon enough. |
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Mark Gobell
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Dave Shayler cannot possibly be the new messiah because:
I AM
And all of the other voices in my head agree with me.
Here endeth the debate !
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Easy Rider
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Absolutely pathetic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The organisers don't want us to see the video because it would be damaging to the truth movement.
This is nothing more than censorship.
A bit like the media after 911 not showing the tv footage because "the viewers might find it distressing"
David clearly wanting his message to go out and you are suppressing it
The fact is this censorship will have the reverse effect that the so called truth movement wants
If the video was releasing it would be watched by thousands and could well switch on many newcomers to 911 |
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The Watcher
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 8:09 am Post subject: Voyeurism |
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Easy Ghoul wrote:
| Quote: | | The organisers don't want us to see the video because it would be damaging to the truth movement. |
Boy, there are some sick mothers trolling this forum ... not least Mr. don't you know who I am Siegal. What is it with you guys? Accusations of censorship? Give me a fricking break!
Here is a guy who has stuck his head above the parapet for the past ten years or so, been hounded and imprisoned by a Labour Government but has unfortunately found rather too much solace in hallucinogenics. John Lennon experienced a similar universal connect and was on the brink of announcing that he was the new Messiah, only to be eventually talked out of it by Brian Epstein; who convinced him that it would be more potent for him to demonstrate his divine mission, rather than talk about it! Advice that Lennon was to act upon with such conviction that it resulted in a US Black Op's teams taking him out, as a direct result of his perceived influence on America's youth.
Apparently David Shayler refused to heed similar counsel prior to his appearance at the Glastonbury Symposium and proceeded to make a complete ass of himself. David cannot ever deny what was said that day, as I and some 400 others were eyewitnesses to the occasion. It just so happens I made every effort to encourage readers of this forum to attend the Glastonbury event by posting it on the forum calendar. Did I have any insight as to what was about to transpire? Of course not but I did emphasize that the Glastonbury Symposium is, in my opinion, the premier UK Truth event ... so how many of you made the effort to attend?
mmm? Thought so ... but now you want to play the voyeur after the event and gloat in the humiliation of someone who has been through a decade of persecution. Yer, I know there is the suggestion that the whole thing was a set up to discredit 9/11 Truth but I'm here to tell ya, sick mo-fo's demanding the release of the Symposium video do more to discredit 9/11 Truth than David Shayler, revealing his inability to integrate his hallucinogenic experiences, ever will!
Have I made my point?
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Busker
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 1:34 pm Post subject: Re: Voyeurism |
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| The Watcher wrote: | Have I made my point?
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No you haven't.
Foul, personal abuse is no replacement for constructing a logical argument. Your vocabulary can't be that poor surely?
The crux of it is, people were told footage would be available. Then they were told it wouldn't because the content wasn't "on message". A New Labour trait if ever I saw it, censoring control freakery.
None of your personal abuse can get round the fact, it is (no matter how well intentioned) censorship. |
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The Watcher
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 1:56 pm Post subject: Shayler video |
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Busker wrote:
| Quote: | | The crux of it is, people were told footage would be available. |
The statement from the organisers of the Glastonbury Symposium reads:
| Quote: | | The Glastonbury Symposium usually sells recordings of its lectures to attendees of the weekend conference. |
This statement is very clear, the recordings are made available to 'attendees of the weekend conference'. Therefore it would seem to me that, as I appear to be the only one posting here who actually attended the event, I am the only one who might have any cause to be aggrieved by the decision not to make the recording available!
However, I made my views known when I posted the initial report:
| Quote: | | If the organisers of the Symposium are prepared to withdraw the DVD of David's monologue from the 2007 Symposium catalogue, it would be a wonderfully magnanimous gesture of human benevolence. |
I have nothing but sympathy for the vultures screaming for the release of this footage and only hope that the lords of karma show similar benevolence if any should be captured on video in their moment of weakness.
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ian neal
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 7:03 pm Post subject: Re: Voyeurism |
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| Busker wrote: | | The Watcher wrote: | Have I made my point?
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No you haven't.
Foul, personal abuse is no replacement for constructing a logical argument. Your vocabulary can't be that poor surely?
The crux of it is, people were told footage would be available. Then they were told it wouldn't because the content wasn't "on message". A New Labour trait if ever I saw it, censoring control freakery.
None of your personal abuse can get round the fact, it is (no matter how well intentioned) censorship. |
You are putting words in peoples' mouths. Noone said that the reason for withholding the video was because David wasn't "on message". David has always spoken his own truth and spoken in a personal capacity. No one has ever told him what to say or what the message is. Some of us have advised him to stick to the strongest and least controversial evidence. But that is advice I would offer to anyone.
Oh and by posting here calling for the videos release, you surely realise you are appealing to the wrong people. |
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Mark Gobell
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 7:26 pm Post subject: Re: Voyeurism |
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| ian neal wrote: | | Oh and by posting here calling for the videos release, you surely realise you are appealing to the wrong people. |
It's illustrative of the mindset and motivation of the folk who are clamouring to see the video that this statement even needs to be made.
A bunch of people organise a get together.
Someone posts on this forum that a chap said some stuff there.
The organisers of the get together then release a statement about not releasing the video of the chap saying some stuff.
That statement is posted on here by someone who attended said get together.
That is then sufficient evidence to accuse the chaps who manage this board of withholding the video !
This then provides opportunity for "blogging analysis"  accusations of hypocrisy and worldwide dissemination that all is not well in camp UK 9/11 Truth.
Hilarious.
Oh, and well said Ian.
Stating the completely obvious for those that have clearly missed it in our quest for clarity and truth.
Mr Siegel, Mr Stott, Mr O'Hara et al, hyenas all barking up the wrong tree.
Hilarious with chips.
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