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[Bushwacker]

[Bushwacker]

[John White]

[Bushwacker]

Have a look back, the discussion was about the numbers involved, which you forgot in your determination to say that the details of how it happened are unimportant.

[JuneM]

[Louise]

It's too late now JuneM, i'm committed.

I didn't realise that the blueprints where part of public record and where already on the internet.

Still it's only £3 i suppose, not too much of a dent.

Reguarding the put options agian on those airlines (sorry) is there ANY WAY after an extended amount of time that you could still gain access to the money?.

And if not where would all that money made on those put options go if nobody claims it?., it must go somewhere and to someone.

Anyway i just like to say this we really shoudn't be argueing with each other like we are on this thread.

Don't you think we should be all working together to stop George Bush carrying out anymore Nasty PNAC plans or starting more wars and killing more people or taking away more freedoms from the US people?.

I've said this before and i'll say it again, a goverment should be There to serve it's people, not to dictate or command or enslave it's people.

We all know that false flag operations are and can be carried out by goverments against their own people to promote their own aganda, history proves this, so why can't we learn from history and apply it to now.

I know for some people it might be too horrible a thought for their mind to comprehend, but that dosen't alter the fact that it happens and has happened in the past.

People's lives may depend on the things that this truth movement does and what it promotes to others.

[Bushwacker]

[Bushwacker]

[Louise]

I belive that people did get killed in the USS Liberty false flag incident of 1967.

This was in the 7 day war that Israel was fighting at the time.

The US goverment did a back door deal with the Israeli goverment to attack and sink it's own ship, kill all those on board then blame it on Egypt to use as a pretext to get involved in the war.

The attack failed to be totally completed due to a russian ship turning up on the scene and thus a witness to the attack.

However a number of sailors on board the ship was killed (34) before the russian ship showed up.

When the ship limped back home very badly damaged (in fact i don't think that ship re-enterd service), the sailors were warned not to talk about it or face life imprisonment or death.

Also the person who wrote up the offical report to was told to write it so it made it out to be all a terrible mistake of misidentification.

And that the people who attacked the US ship mistook the US ship for a egyptian ship even though the US flag was clearly visible and the difference between the two ships was vast.

People involved in this attack have now come forward after all these years to confess what really happend.

The offical report that was doctored to make it look like it was all a mistake is here:

http://www.ussliberty.com/report/report.pdf

Read (and watch) about the cover-up of what really happened here:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ussliberty.html

http://home.cfl.rr.com/gidusko/texts/admm_s-s.txt

http://www.planetquo.com/The-USS-Liberty-America-s-Most-Shameful-Secre t

Can anyone else on this forum help me with any other examples of false flag terrorisum where the goverment killed it's own people?.

[TmcMistress]

[pdx911action]

[Louise]

I've found some other intresting stuff here:

http://www.aci.net/kalliste/fbiterr.htm

http://www.ciadrugs.com/

http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/jkahn/entry/the_us_and_1/

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/StateTerror.html

http://estrecho.indymedia.org/newswire/display/67660/index.php

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag

http://www.uruknet.org.uk/?p=m26501

But don't be silly, goverments wouldn't do such a horrible thing to their own people...................................

WOULD THEY????????? .

[Bushwacker]

[Bushwacker]

[Louise]

Bushwacker wrote

"So not actually a false flag operation, then, even if the conspiracy theory is correct."

When the USS liberty managed to get a distress message to the sixth fleet that it was being attacked, the aircraft carriers launched fighter planes to defend the ship.

The captain of the aircraft carrier was quickly contacted by the secretary of defence and the president and orderd to recall the fighters because the president wanted "that damn ship going to the bottom".

The US goverment wanted to kill it's own people, so it colluded with another goverment to achive what it wanted.

If that Russian ship hadn't have appeard on the scene ALL the people on that ship would have been killed whitch was the plan and the ship would have been sunk, and poor Egypt would have got the blame for something it didn't do just because the US wanted to get invoved in the war.

In fact it seems that the US has had quite a considerable intrest in the middle east for some time now.

Perhaps it is envyous that the middle east is still sitting on a lot of earths natrual resources.

This and other agendas may well be possible reasons for US intrest in the middle east.

[KP50]

[TmcMistress]

[Bushwacker]

[Louise]

Bushwacker i think i understand your problem (i hope i'm right).

Your going to all the wrong sites to get your information, your going to the offical sites right?.

OFFICAL SITES = OFFICAL LIES

The offical sites will contain all the nonsense the US goverment wants to tell you to cover up it's real actions, all your really reading is:

Counter Intelligence
Mis/Disinformation
Falsehoods and lies
Evidence intended to misdirect you

Even if people do know the truth about what happened they'll still agree and go along with the US goverment because of one thing: FEAR.

Fear is a very powerfull weapon and if you can learn to use a person's (or peoples) fear against them, you can completetly control what they think, what they do, how they behave.........everything.

People might know what really happened on 9/11 but be too scared to speak out because they FEAR what the US goverment might do to them.

Perhaps they might send the MIB around and they and members of their family might dissapear.

Ever heard of a man called Wilhelm Riech?.

Please reserch his name.

He was a brilliant intelligent man he was a scientist or inventor.

He discovered Orgone energy.

However his discovery somehow threatend the US goverment in someway.

They sent the MIB's after him destroyed all his work, locked him up and put out the disinformation that he was a nutcase.

This was of course completetly false (disinformation).

I still can't work out why his discovery so threatend the US goverment that they sent the MIB's after him.

Anyway he died with people FALSELY thinking he was a nutcase.

Kate Bush made a song about it called Cloudbusting.

Watch it below, and look what happens at the end when the MIB's come after him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRHA9W-zExQ

So you see, even if people know the truth of 9/11 they maybe to scared to say anything in case the same thing happens to them like it did Wilhelm Riech.

WHAT WAS IT ABOUT HIS DISCOVERY THAT THREATEND THE US GOVERMENT?????????????.

The US goverment/ military is nothing more than the big school bully in the playground when it wants to cover something up.

This Includes 9/11.

You are now starting to learn the real truth Bushwacker, horrible isn't it?.

But you must NOT be afraid to face the real truth Bushwacker.

Personally i'd rather face or know the truth no matter how horrible, shocking or incredible.

Now to be honest Bushwacker i'm really getting tired of all this.

I think that i've proved to you beyond doubt that False flag operations do happen and goverments do lie and put out false information to decive and mislead people and to cover it's tracks.

I can't really do anymore to try to show you.

And i still haven't ruled out that your doing all this because your getting your kicks out of playing some sick game with all of us on this forum.

If you still don't belive me then there's nothing more i can do.

We'll just have to leave you to your fate.

But one day the US goverment might kill someone YOU love and care about.

And suddenly you'll realise that you were so awfully wrong in dismissing people on this forum as "conspiracy nuts".

But by then it'll be too late.

It's now up to you Bushwacker.

The future is in your hands.

Choose your path Carefully.

I must go now to promote 9/11 truth and hopefully save lives.

I hope you decide to join me and all the other good people on this forum.

But if not i do know one thing for sure, time will prove us on this forum correct about 9/11.

And at such time Bushwacker will you have the courage and the guts to come back and admit that you were wrong and we were right about all of this?.

If you do I'll admire you.

Or will you just slink off into the darkness and keep quiet.

As i say i must go now.

Goodbye.

[Bushwacker]

Genius is always close to madness, and William Reich demonstrated that as he slipped over the edge. He was undoubtedly treated harshly, but he was also undoubtedly deceiving himself with his "discoveries" which were just fantasies, not dissimilar to L Ron Hubbard. Interestingly, David Shayler also now believes he can affect the weather.

I am sure you are sincere Louise, but completely mistaken about 9/11 and conspiracy theories in general, and perhaps you will gradually come to realise that you have been seriously misled. There are lies, damned lies, and things you read on the internet!

[pdx911action]

[JimB]

[Bushwacker]

[pdx911action]

[Louise]

The US goverment and military NEVER tells lies and NEVER carrys out cover-ups of ANY incident?.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT_sa_2YF5A&mode=related&search=

And people STILL think that they are telling the truth over 9/11?.

I give up, i really give up .

[Bushwacker]

[Louise]

It MIGHT have been difficult for them at first to lie at first Bushwacker, although i doubt it.

But as you know, once you do something for a little while it becomes natrual, second nature and becomes a normal thing for you to do.

And lets fact it, they have had more than enough time to become perfected in the art of lying and deception have they not?.

The point is if you know that they lie and cover-up things, how can you trust them over ANYTHING?.

Answer: You CAN'T.

Patrick Tilman found that out, he was taken in at first, but then he found out the truth.

Because people respected him and he had influence over the people, he was a hero, he would have been able to sway the opinion of a lot of american people.

That could have been VERY damaging to the US goverments and military's plans if he started to speak out.

HE HAD TO BE SILENCED.

And a few bullets and a M16 will silence anybody.

Then make up some nonsense story about how he died and warn (sorry threaten) the people that were around him not to talk about it.

They even ****ing lied to his family about how he died.

How sick is that?.

Do you see the kind of people your dealing with now Bushwacker?.

Because you ought to, for your own safety and security.

NO SORRY THAT'S WRONG, not just you saftey and security Bushwacker, but the Saftey and Security of every American Citizen.

If the US goverment and military ever told the truth their teeth would fall out.

[pepik]

Given you just got conned into bidding for publicly availably documents, you don't seem to good a judge of honesty.

What's next - you're going to tell us you believe in UFOs?

[Louise]

I was unaware that the Documents you refer to were publicly avalible.

And Yes i do belive in UFO's that is something else that is being kept from you and that you have been lied to about.

I have recently been in contact with Nick Pope who was with the MOD and was head of the british goverments UFO project.

He admitted to me that:

"You're probably right that the Official Secrets Act would preclude my discussing a 'smoking gun' if I was aware of one. "

The above comes from an Email he sent to me.

Does it scare you to think UFO's exist?.

Perhaps that's why goverment keep it a secret from people, some could take it (like me).

But some people woudn't be able to handle it.

And i think i'm a very good judge of honesty where the US goverment is concerned as i can learn patterns from past events.

In some cases you can draw on knowledge from past events and actions and predict a probable future that has a more than 50/50 chance of becoming reality.

Like it said on a recent documentary i watched, people like yourself can only respond to people with insults and school playground behaviour.

[pepik]

Here's a handy tip: you're supposed to keep quiet about theories involving the Jews and the UFOs when you're speaking to the general public about 911 Truth.