New Paper Calculates Energy Involved in WTC Destruction

[Andrew Johnson]

Overview by Jeff Strahl.
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Either go to

http://www.911scholarsreview.org/

and click on "NOW HERE", or to

http://www.911scholarsreview.org/current.html

and once there, see *WTC Dust Clouds Energetics and Implications*, by Kurt King. Has its own URL, but that's a pdf, ie will download once you click it. So you do need Adobe Acrobat to capture it (or a friend with one).

The author works things out in *detail*. If you don't really like to read through calculations, he boxes these up so you can "fast-forward" through them. If you like calculations, or feel like challenging yourself and checking them out, you will be impressed at the thoroughness and meticulous attention to detail; i was.

He starts where Jim Hoffman left off 3-4 years ago in his own dust cloud calculations, which used Jerry Russel's calculations of the energy required just to turn the towers' concrete to dust as a starting point, and proceeded to figure out how much more would be needed to expand the dust clouds to observed sizes. He refines both these calculated sums. His conclusion: Not only did those buildings not fall due to plane impacts and fires, but conventional explosives cannot possibly explain the observed phenomena. Whether or not thermite or thermate (or therm-it or therm-mute) was used is rendered irrelevant. He does not make a decision as to what *was* used, only what *wasn't*. This is not a polemic (and polemics have their moments too), but a solid work of science.

[SHERITON HOTEL]

Are any inside job denyers still saying those collapses were gravity collapses? there seems a trend toward theorising the 'IslamicTerrorists' planted the explosives 9/11 amongst official CT-ers I've noted on the net, the littany goes well they did it in '93, didn't they?

[karlos]

I have noticed a few places are claiming that mini nukes were used to speed up the demolition.
They reckon THERMATE was not enough to turn concrete into dust.
I dont know if they are correct but here it is:

http://wtcdemolition.blogspot.com/2007/03/evidence-of-advanced-fusion- devices-at_13.html

1. Pulverization of 99% of concrete into ultra fine dust as recorded by official studies. Concrete dust was created instantly throughout the towers when the fusion device million degree heat rapidly expanded water vapour 1000-fold in the concrete floors.

2. Superheated steels ablating (vaporizing continuously as they fall) as seen in video clips of the towers collapsing. This requires uniform temperatures roughly twice that of thermite. Conventional demolition or explosive charges (thermate, rdx, hdx etc.) cannot transfer heath so rapidly that the steel goes above it's boiling temperature.

3. 22 ton outer wall steel sections ejected 200 meters into the winter garden. Cutting charges cannot eject heavy steels and throwing charges cannot provide the energy required without heavy, solid surface mounts.

4. 330 ton section of outer wall columns ripping off side of tower. Cutting charges cannot eject heavy steels linked together and throwing charges cannot provide the energy required without very heavy, solid surfaces to mount those charges.

5. Molten ponds of steel at the bottom of elevator shafts (WTC1, WTC2, WTC7). Massive heat loads have been present at the lower parts of these high-rise buildings. As one of the witnesses after seeing the flow of metals declared: "no one will be found alive".

6. The spire behaviour (stands for 20-30 seconds, evaporates and goes down, steel dust remains in the air where the spire was). The spire did not stand because it lost its durability when the joints vaporized.

7. Sharp spikes in seismograph readings (Richter 2.1 and 2.3) occurred at the beginning of collapse for both towers. Short duration and high power indicate an explosive event.

8. A press weighting 50 tons disappeared from a basement floor of Twin Towers and was never recovered from debris. Not possible with collapses or controlled demolitions. The press was vaporized or melted totally.

9. Bone dust cloud around the WTC. This was found not until spring 2006 from the Deutsche Bank building. (In excess of 700 human remains found on the roof and from air vents). See http://www.911citizenswatch.org/print.php?sid=906

10. Fires took 100 days to extinguish despite continuous spraying of water. Thermate would burn out totally and then cool down much faster, just in a few days. This long cooling time means the total heath load being absorbed into the steels of the WTC was massive, far in excess anything found in collapses or typical controlled demolitions
11. Brown shades of color in the air due nuclear radiation forming NO2, NO3 and nitric acid. TV and documentary footage changed the color balance to blue to disguise this fact indicating complicity in the coverup.

12. Elevated Tritium values measured in the WTC area but not elsewhere in New York. Official studies stated that 8 EXIT signs from two commercial Boeing jets were responsible. The tritium in those EXIT signs is insufficient to explain the measurements (very little tritium is available for measuring after evaporation into air as hydrogen and as tritiated water vapour. This can provide conclusive proof of fusion devices and therefore US/Israeli military involvement.

13. Pyroclastic flow observed in the concrete-based clouds. Only found with volcanic eruptions and nuclear detonations. The explosion squibs cool down just a few milliseconds after the explosion or after having reached some 10 meters in the air. Pyroclastic flow will not mix with other clouds meaning very serious heath in those clouds not possible with the conventional demolition or explosive charges. The pyroclastic clouds were cooling down at the WTC but this process took some 30 seconds. See http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1381525012075538113

14. Huge expanding dust clouds 5 times the volume of the building indicating extreme levels of heat generated far in excess of traditional demolition explosives.

15. Rubble height was some 10% of the original instead of 33% expected in a traditional demolition. Fusion device removal of underground central steel framework allowed upper framework to fall into this empty space and reduce the rubble height.

16. No survivors found, except some firefighters in one corner pocket in the rubble who looked up to see blue sky above them instead of being crushed by collapsing debris. Upward fusion flashlight-like beam of destruction missed this pocket but removed debris above those lucky firemen.

17. 14 rescue dogs and some rescue workers died far too soon afterward to be attributed to asbestos or dust toxins (respiratory problems due to alpha and tritium particles created by fusion are far more toxic)

18. Record concentrations of near-atomic size metal particles found in dust studies due to ablated steel. Only possible with vaporized (boiling) steels.

19. Decontamination procedure used at Ground Zero (hi-pressure water spraying) for all steel removed from site. Water spraying contains fusion radioactivity.

20. No bodies, furniture or computers found in the rubble, but intact sheets of paper covered the streets with fine dust. Items with significant mass absorbed fusion energy (neutrons, x-rays) and were vaporized while paper did not. Paper and powder theory.

21. 200 000 gallon sprinkler water tanks on the roofs of WTC1 and WTC2, but no water in the ruins. Heat of fusion devices vaporized large reservoirs of water.

22. Reports of cars exploding around the WTC and many burned out wrecks could be seen that had not been hit by debris. Fusion energy (heath radiation and the neutrons) caused cars to ignite and burn far from WTC site.

23. Wide area electrical outage, repairs took over 3 months. Fusion devices cause EM pulse with Compton scattering. See German engineers help the USA plate 5. http://home.debitel.net/user/andreas.bunkahle/defaulte.htm

24. EM pulse was recorded by broadcast cameras with high quality electronic circuitry. This occurred at the same time as the seismic peaks recorded by Lamont Doherty during the beginning of the collapse. This is due to the Compton Effect and resulted in a large area power outage at the WTC.

http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/

[Andrew Johnson]

Stelios,

I think the mini-nuke theory is new (=bogus) thermate theory. The overall evidence does not support the large-scale usage of mininukes (which may not even exist) or thermite in the destruction of the WTC.

Verbatim transcript of an interview between the 2 promoters of these theories (with footnotes by me):

http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&tas k=view&id=45&Itemid=60

Are they being truthful, do you think?

Also see this, if interested.

http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&tas k=view&id=43&Itemid=60

These are the facts folks....

[Thermate911]

There is also the fact that Morgan Reynolds is ex-Bush admin.

Something about leopards comes to mind here...

However, the seismic spikes imply some form of detonation...

Despite my nym, it would not seem likely that it could have 'done the job' alone.

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[marky 54]

"I think the mini-nuke theory is new (=bogus) thermate theory. The overall evidence does not support the large-scale usage of mininukes (which may not even exist) or thermite in the destruction of the WTC."

i aint bashing but have to make the point here, what if it was some kind of nuke that is classified, just any kind of nuke 'its not like we know the serial number or anything' and 'we don't want to be destracted by things like how much energy was involved', but we could base the theory around it by having no proof of the weapon at all, but instead 'look at pictures', oh look a mushroom cloud emerging from the smoke, its a start.

all there is to work with is things we know about like:

a slingshot

a gun

or a fire cracker

but what about the things we don't know about? so you can only pick one of the above to describe what happened to the towers.

first you figure out what happened first, then how it happened is down the road.

people do not know the serial number on the gizmo that was used, but it was a nuke of some type, just any nuke that they are keeping secret .

[Rowan Berkeley]

About the pdf document by Kurt King - it's touching to see the lengths Judy and Morgan have gone to, to simulate the 'scholarly', 'peer-reviewed' effect - but anyway:

At least five times, King asserts that "steel beams simply vaporised".

He uses this assertion as a sort of a fortiori argument - i.e., if the energy available from gravity alone is far from sufficient to pulverise even the concrete, then a fortiori it cannot have pulverised the steel as well.

However, if you don't accept that the steel was pulverised in the first place (as most of us do not) then this just damages the solidity of the argument taken as a whole (which is probably in itself not too bad).

[Kurt]

Let's not get distracted by secondary arguments (e.g. micro-nukes might not exist) and inconclusive evidence (e.g. other ways to create dust).

There is a constellation of evidence (rivers and pools of molten steel; clean, tight bends of very heavy steel; the large fraction of the micron-scale dust being metalic) that King did not use for the nuclear hypothesis. But, the point of the article was to prove beyond a shadow of doubt that the energy requirements of the dust cloud creation and expansion were so far beyond that which was available from gravity, from any reasonable amount of high explosives, and from any realistic electrical source. That done, therefore, any arguments for any of those conventional energy source categories to be the prime movers have to be ridiculed as absurd.

The fact that there is no explanation except superheating, vaporization, and condensation (page 25) - none of which are possible chemically - to explain the spire and the other large steel assemblies disintegrating into dust (and that evidence so widely photographed) is simply icing on the cake.

Now, the electrical vaporization of metals has been done in the laboratory (although I can't imagine the size and complexity of the setup required to superheat a large fraction of the core and then catapult some of the pieces), and the author allowed or pointed out the the use of multiple technologies (pages 23, and 26). So the existence of those vaporizations by themselves are not conclusive of the nuclear hypothesis. Oh, if only we could compute their energy requirements ....

If anyone can produce evidence that that large steel objects can behave that way from some other cause I'm sure the author would be interested.

The bottom line of the paper is that a secret government (who else has access to that kind of technology?) nuked us. This is now proven. How they did it remains for other papers to work out.

Now that we know conclusively what they did, there may be things even more important than finding out how: During and afterward, our visible government - through the controlled media - covered up for the perps, provoked our fears of foreigners, draped a false flag over the whole operation, nullified our Bill of Rights, started and lied us into two wars (so far), massacred over a million innocent people, and instituted on us a War OF Terror.

Now, who are those masked people of the secret government? CIA? Pentagon? NSA? MI5/6? ISI? Mossad? How should we react in the face of those few who accept no limits on their violence and brutality in the pursuit of power and control? How should we relate to a larger number who are their agents and minions?

And what will we do next time we are false-flagged? Or before it happens?

[John White]

But the spire did not dis-intergrate, as multiple angles prove conclusively

So all that hard work is out the window, isnt it?

[Stephen]

[John White]

You can start here

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=9707&highlight=disin tergrating+spire

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=8694&highlight=disin tergrating+spire