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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 1:09 am    Post subject: Former Italian President Cossiga says 9/11 an Inside Job Reply with quote

Monday, December 03, 2007

Former President of Italy: 9/11 was an Inside Job

On November 30th, the former President of Italy, Francesco Cossiga, wrote in Italy's largest newspaper: Corriere della Sera

[Bin Laden supposedly confessed] to the Qaeda September [attack] to the two towers in New York [claiming to be] the author of the attack of the 11, while all the [intelligence services] of America and Europe ... now know well that the disastrous attack has been planned and realized from the CIA American and the Mossad with the aid of the Zionist world in order to put under accusation the Arabic Countries and in order to induce the western powers to take part ... in Iraq [and] Afghanistan.


The above is a rough translation using Babelfish. Someone who speaks fluent Italian will be able produce a much more accurate translation.

Mr. Cossiga previously stated, in 2001:

The mastermind of the attack must have been a “sophisticated mind, provided with ample means not only to recruit fanatic kamikazes, but also highly specialized personnel. I add one thing: it could not be accomplished without infiltrations in the radar and flight security personnel.”

http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2007/12/former-president-of-italy -911-was.html
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A friend of mine is half Italian and speaks it fluently. I have sent the link to him.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm getting it translated now. Should be done in an hour or so
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My translator says that this is one of the 3 biggest newpapers in Italy!!

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Rome. "From the information I have been given, tomorrow or the day after the most powerful chain of newspapers/magazines of our country will reveal, with an exceptional scoop, that the video (in reality an audio, editors note) in which Osama Bin Laden, leader of the great and powerful movement of Islamic revendication Al-Quaeda' re-appears, formulating threats even to the ex prime minister Silvio Berlusconi, is in fact nothing else but a fake produced in the Mediaset studios in Milan, and was made arrive to the Islamist tv Network Al Jazeera who amply diffused it". This is what Francesco Cossiga, President of the Italian Republic, asserted today in a press release.

TRAP. "The trap has presumably been setup, according to the above mentioned news corporation, to raise a wave of solidarity towards Berlusconi, at the moment in time when he is in difficulty also because of another scoop by the same media chain on the meddling between Mediaset and Rai (The Italian BBC)", the senator continues. "People close to Palazzo Chigi (where govt is located), directional centre of Italian intelligence, have pointed out that the non-authenticity of the video is testified by the fact that Osama Bin Laden 'confesses' in it that he was the man in charge of 9/11, whilst all the Democratic circles of the Us and Europe, with the Italian left-wing at the forefront, well know that the disastrous attack was planned and carried out by the CIA and Mossad with the help of the Zionist movement in order to accuse the Arab countries and induce the Western powers to intervene in Iraq and Afghanistan. This is why - Cossiga concludes - no word of solidarity has arrived to Berlusconi, who is the presumed brain behind the falsification, from Parliament or from members of the centre-left!"

SOLIDARITY. In actual fact Berlusconi has received solidarity from a government source, Vannino Chiti, Minister for parliamentary rapports: "I express my solidarity to Silvio Berlusconi who has been mentioned, together with other European leaders, by the terrorist Osama Bin Laden in his message of propaganda. The Italian political forces and European population must be united against terrorism and these mindless babblings"

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 1:53 pm    Post subject: Ex-Italian President: Intel Agencies Know 9/11 An Inside Job Reply with quote

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Ex-Italian President: Intel Agencies Know 9/11 An Inside Job
Man who blew the whistle on Gladio tells Italy's largest newspaper attacks were run by CIA, Mossad

Former Italian President and the man who revealed the existence of Operation Gladio Francesco Cossiga has gone public on 9/11, telling Italy's most respected newspaper that the attacks were run by the CIA and Mossad and that this was common knowledge amongst global intelligence agencies.

Cossiga was elected President of Italian Senate in July 1983 before being winning a landslide 1985 election to become President of the country in 1985.

Cossiga gained respect from opposition parties as one of a rare breed - an honest politician - and led the country for seven years until April 1992.

Cossiga's tendency to be outspoken upset the Italian political establishment and he was forced to resign after revealing the existence of, and his part in setting up, Operation Gladio - a rogue intelligence network under NATO auspices that carried out bombings across Europe in the 60's, 70's and 80's.

Gladio's specialty was to carry out what they coined "false flag operations," terror attacks that were blamed on their domestic and geopolitical opposition.

Cossiga's revelations contributed to an Italian parliamentary investigation of Gladio in 2000, during which evidence was unearthed that the attacks were being overseen by the U.S. intelligence apparatus.

In March 2001, Gladio agent Vincenzo Vinciguerra stated, in sworn testimony, "You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple: to force ... the public to turn to the state to ask for greater security."

Cossiga's new revelations appeared last week in Italy's oldest and most widely read newspaper, Corriere della Sera. Below appears a rough translation.

"[Bin Laden supposedly confessed] to the Qaeda September [attack] to the two towers in New York [claiming to be] the author of the attack of the 11, while all the [intelligence services] of America and Europe ... now know well that the disastrous attack has been planned and realized from the CIA American and the Mossad with the aid of the Zionist world in order to put under accusation the Arabic Countries and in order to induce the western powers to take part ... in Iraq [and] Afghanistan."
Cossiga first expressed his doubts about 9/11 in 2001, and is quoted in Webster Tarpley's book as stating that "The mastermind of the attack must have been a “sophisticated mind, provided with ample means not only to recruit fanatic kamikazes, but also highly specialized personnel. I add one thing: it could not be accomplished without infiltrations in the radar and flight security personnel.”

Coming from a widely respected former head of state, Cossiga's assertion that the 9/11 attacks were an inside job and that this is common knowledge amongst global intelligence agencies is highly unlikely to be mentioned by any establishment media outlets, because like the hundreds of other sober ex-government, military, air force professionals, allied to hundreds more professors and intellectuals - he can't be sidelined as a crackpot conspiracy theorist.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2007/120407_common_knowle dge.htm

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oops I posted this story too.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:07 pm    Post subject: This is a big story Reply with quote

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/december2007/120407_common_kn owledge.htm

This is powerful stuff. Brilliant ammunition for the cause. Post this article to your MP.


Ex-Italian President: Intel Agencies Know 9/11 An Inside Job
Man who set up Operation Gladio tells Italy's largest newspaper attacks were run by CIA, Mossad



Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Tuesday, December 4, 2007


Former Italian President and the man who revealed the existence of Operation Gladio Francesco Cossiga has gone public on 9/11, telling Italy's most respected newspaper that the attacks were run by the CIA and Mossad and that this was common knowledge amongst global intelligence agencies.

Cossiga was elected President of the Italian Senate in July 1983 before winning a landslide 1985 election to become President of the country in 1985.

Cossiga gained respect from opposition parties as one of a rare breed - an honest politician - and led the country for seven years until April 1992.

Cossiga's tendency to be outspoken upset the Italian political establishment and he was forced to resign after revealing the existence of, and his part in setting up, Operation Gladio - a rogue intelligence network under NATO auspices that carried out bombings across Europe in the 60's, 70's and 80's.

Gladio's specialty was to carry out what they coined "false flag operations," terror attacks that were blamed on their domestic and geopolitical opposition.

Cossiga's revelations contributed to an Italian parliamentary investigation of Gladio in 2000, during which evidence was unearthed that the attacks were being overseen by the U.S. intelligence apparatus.

In March 2001, Gladio agent Vincenzo Vinciguerra stated, in sworn testimony, "You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple: to force ... the public to turn to the state to ask for greater security."

Cossiga's new revelations appeared last week in Italy's oldest and most widely read newspaper, Corriere della Sera. Below appears a rough translation.

"[Bin Laden supposedly confessed] to the Qaeda September [attack] to the two towers in New York [claiming to be] the author of the attack of the 11, while all the [intelligence services] of America and Europe ... now know well that the disastrous attack has been planned and realized from the CIA American and the Mossad with the aid of the Zionist world in order to put under accusation the Arabic Countries and in order to induce the western powers to take part ... in Iraq [and] Afghanistan."

Cossiga first expressed his doubts about 9/11 in 2001, and is quoted in Webster Tarpley's book as stating that "The mastermind of the attack must have been a “sophisticated mind, provided with ample means not only to recruit fanatic kamikazes, but also highly specialized personnel. I add one thing: it could not be accomplished without infiltrations in the radar and flight security personnel.”

Coming from a widely respected former head of state, Cossiga's assertion that the 9/11 attacks were an inside job and that this is common knowledge amongst global intelligence agencies is highly unlikely to be mentioned by any establishment media outlets, because like the hundreds of other sober ex-government, military, air force professionals, allied to hundreds more professors and intellectuals - he can't be sidelined as a crackpot conspiracy theorist.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a huge story.
The former president of a western democracy catergorically calling 911 an inside job.
Huge.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder what Dr. Larry O' Hara says to this one.
Is Cossiga part of the paid services of Tarpley or Tarpley part of his services.

Either which way we are in an unsolveable conundrum.
Having accepted the existence of Gladio, Dr. Larry O' Hara must now disassociate himself from one of its founders.

It appears the conspiracy theorists are now becoming mainstream.
Its time to denounce them as an ...inside job!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good point CA.

On the face of it this could be a boon.

However, to attribute yet another dodgy UBL audio to Berlusconi is, for me, beyond parody.

We are told to hear that UBL allegedly wrote:
For this reason, this address of mine is to you, not to your politicians, as it is no longer a secret that Blair, Brown, Berlusconi, Aznar, Sarkozy and those with him and their like love to shade themselves in the shade of the White House. And there isn't a major difference worth mentioning between them and many of the leaders of the Third World.


With Zionism on the side?

The contemporary references in the messages from the "multimedia army of Al Qaeda" are there to substantiate and continue the myth.

They are not there for internal Italian politics or some nefarious internecine blame game.

A "Boltonesque" chasm in EU / US Iranian policy?

Probably.

From a man that sat on the Italian throne during Gladio?

Forgive me if I don't bet on this getting in any media. Anywhere.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:08 pm    Post subject: More info., please Reply with quote

Except, we don't know how he knows that most Intelligence services know it was an inside job. He doesn't say he has spoken to senior, international Intelligence services. When he says they know, does that mean that is their official conclusion or senior folk suspect? Which Intelligence services? CIA, who helped to do it? German, which also helped to do it? MI6 and MI5, both of which help to do it? And if these Intelligence services know, what of their politicians? Do they agree with their Intelligence services?

We need to know more.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:16 pm    Post subject: Re: More info., please Reply with quote

insidejob wrote:
Except, we don't know how he knows that most Intelligence services know it was an inside job. He doesn't say he has spoken to senior, international Intelligence services. When he says they know, does that mean that is their official conclusion or senior folk suspect? Which Intelligence services? CIA, who helped to do it? German, which also helped to do it? MI6 and MI5, both of which help to do it? And if these Intelligence services know, what of their politicians? Do they agree with their Intelligence services?

We need to know more.


Perhaps he's conducted a poll?

Whatever next. A death bed confession from Thatcher?

Can you believe Tim Sparke even mentioning that . . .

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Original article (in Italian):

http://www.corriere.it/politica/07_novembre_30/osama_berlusconi_cossig a_27f4ccee-9f55-11dc-8807-0003ba99c53b.shtml

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«Da ambienti vicini a Palazzo Chigi, centro nevralgico di direzione dell'intelligence italiana, si fa notare che la non autenticità del video è testimoniata dal fatto che Osama Bin Laden in esso 'confessa' che Al Qaeda sarebbe stato l'autore dell'attentato dell'11 settembre alle due torri in New York, mentre tutti gli ambienti democratici d'America e d'Europa, con in prima linea quelli del centrosinistra italiano, sanno ormai bene che il disastroso attentato è stato pianificato e realizzato dalla Cia americana e dal Mossad con l'aiuto del mondo sionista per mettere sotto accusa i Paesi arabi e per indurre le potenze occidentali ad intervenire sia in Iraq sia in Afghanistan.



http://www.bostonnow.com/blogs/pitbullpimple/2007/12/04/exitalian-pres ident-intel-agencies-know-911-an-inside-job

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Ex-Italian President Francesco Cossiga's new revelations appeared last
week in Italy's oldest and most widely read newspaper, Corriere della
Sera:

"[Bin Laden supposedly confessed] to the Qaeda September [attack] to
the two towers in New York [claiming to be] the author of the attack
of the 11, while all the [intelligence services] of America and Europe
... now know well that the disastrous attack has been planned and
realized from the CIA American and the Mossad with the aid of the
Zionist world in order to put under accusation the Arabic Countries
and in order to induce the western powers to take part ... in Iraq
[and] Afghanistan."


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the actual newspaper...
http://www.corriere.it/politica/07_novembre_30/osama_berlusconi_cossig a_27f4ccee-9f55-11dc-8807-0003ba99c53b.shtml
I copied and pasted the story to google translator and got the following result:

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ROME - "What I was told tomorrow or after tomorrow the most powerful chain quotidiani-periodici our country should give evidence, with a scoop of exception, that the video (actually a sound, ndr), in which Osama Bin Laden reappears , a leader of the 'Big and powerful movement Rinvicita Islamic Al Qaeda, which Allah bless him!, which also made threats to former premier Silvio Berlusconi, it would be nothing but a videomontaggio achieved in the studies of Mediaset in Milan and done Reach Islamist television network Al Jazeera that has widespread. This is what President Emeritus of the Republic Francesco Cossiga in a statement.

"TRAPPOLA" "The 'trap' was mounted, according to the above chain of the press, to raise a wave of solidarity with Berlusconi, in the moment in which you are also in trouble because of another scoop its sister newspaper on tangles between RAI and Mediaset, "continued Senator for life. "From neighboring environments in Palazzo Chigi, nerve center of Italian intelligence direction, it points out that non-authenticity of the video is evidenced by the fact that Osama Bin Laden in it 'confesses' that Al Qaeda was the author of the assassination 11 September at two towers in New York, while all environments Democrats of America and Europe, with those at the forefront of Italian center, now know well that the disastrous attack was planned and carried out by the American CIA and the Mossad with the help of the Zionist world order accused the Arab countries and to induce the Western powers to intervene in Iraq and in Afghanistan. That concludes Cossiga-no word of solidarity came to Silvio Berlusconi, who is the creator of clever forgery or the Quirinale, nor from Palazzo Chigi nor representatives from the center. "

- SOLIDARITY Actually Berlusconi came to the solidarity of the government Vannino Chiti, Minister for Relations with Parliament: "I express my solidarity to Silvio Berlusconi called into question, together with other European leaders, the terrorist Osama Bin Laden in his message propaganda. Against terrorism and against these farneticazioni must be strong unity of political forces in Italy and common and solidarity among the peoples of Europe ".
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The first evidence that the security services were involved in Italian political life was the revelations found in Sanguinettis book, (in the link below) but obvioulsy not before a widely held view by part of italian society that bombings attributed to the left were actually the work of the right.

http://antagonise.blogspot.com/

This became evident in populist culture in the form of Dario Fo's play the 'Accidental Death of an Anarchist' which showed how the police kill people on the pretext of nothing.

The Italian premier if he was instrumental in setting up Gladio (stay behind anti-communist network organised by NATO) takes his orders from the Yanks directly. He has made this announcement with the full knowledge of the American Embassy. It is inconcievable for this not to be the case.

So why has he stated it?
a) For internal Italian consumption as we have a Left (ex-CP) and hard-line CP coalition to forestall italian reversal of Afghan policy
b) Prepare a post-Bush era psychologically to manage the fallout from such a disclosure?
c) Weaken the pro-Cheney war faction?

There has to be a reason and we will soon know.

Was Tarpley recently in Italy with a publication of his book?
To forestall its message?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good scoop but is there not the thinly veiled anti semitism vein in it (Mossad ,Zionists behind it )
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fish5133 wrote:
Good scoop but is there not the thinly veiled anti semitism vein in it (Mossad ,Zionists behind it )

Why is criticism of Mossad or Zionists "anti-Semitic"? Are they to be beyond criticism whatever their actions? If anti-Semiticism is anything of an issue why is the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Semites in Iraq tolerated? Do you mean Jew when you say Semite? If so, why not say what you mean? Are you implying that criticism of Israel must be forbidden because Jews must be beyond criticism? Why? Are they perfect or superior or what?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fish5133 wrote:
Good scoop but is there not the thinly veiled anti semitism vein in it (Mossad ,Zionists behind it )


And a big scoop of PC from fish5133.
Political correctness comes from Stalinist Russia. He said Mossad and the CIA, I think you should stop fishing...
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Berlusconi is a former member of P2, the paper that published Cossiga's statement is Italy's "Evening Courier", the Corriere della Sera. The Corriere has been previously linked to P2.

Cossiga says that nobody has come forward standing up for the authenticity of the Osama tape, because Osama admits to doing 9/11... specifically;

"Da ambienti vicini a Palazzo Chigi, centro nevralgico di direzione dell'intelligence italiana..."
http://www.corriere.it/politica/07_novembre_30/osama_berlusconi_cossig a_27f4ccee-9f55-11dc-8807-0003ba99c53b.shtml

My interpretation of what he is saying is roughly; "The atmosphere around Palazzo Chigi, nerve center of Italian intelligence..." is that the tape is not authentic, and this is bolstered by the fact that the sense in the "ambienti democratici d'America e d'Europa" (atmospheres of America and Europe) is that 9/11 was a CIA/MOSSAD job. He goes out of his way to say that this is definitely the case with the Italian left.

So he is basically saying that hard proof is going to be published that will expose Berlusconi for the b****** that he is, and "everybody knows" that 9/11 was a CIA/MOSSAD op.

But who is this guy? This Cossiga?

During the kidnapping and murder of Italian Premier Aldo Moro, Cossiga surrounded himself with members of P2, and the CIA;

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"Behind the facade, however, lies one of the most sinister episodes of the Italian Republic, an episode in which the entire secret state was fully involved. The Secret Services, which were supposed to find Moro’s prison, spectacularly bungled their search, together with the police and the Carabinieri; the P2 Masonic lodge, whose members happened to be put in charge of the investigations, deliberately messed up the search; Interior minister Francesco Cossiga surrounded himself with P2 members and CIA officers; the Mafia offered its services to free Moro, only to be told in no uncertain terms that Moro was wanted dead not alive. At the time, public opinion knew nothing of all this; the existence of the Masonic lodge P2 only became known three years later, in 1981...

It was only with the fall of the Berlin wall and the end of the Cold War that the enormity of the effects of such war upon Italy and the Italian political system began to emerge. The Gladio scandal, in the early 1990s, brought to light the existence of a whole secret network of anti-Communist organisations throughout Western Europe, whose official aim was to fight in the event of a Soviet invasion, but which also had the all-important unofficial aim of fighting against the internal communist threat in those countries considered most at risk. At the time of the Gladio scandal Francesco Cossiga was President of the Italian Republic. He publicly defended Gladio as a legitimate organisation against a young judge, Felice Casson, who proclaimed its illegitimacy. It was in those days that Cossiga and Casson expressed openly and clearly their allegiances to two contrasting states and principles of legitimation. Referring to P2 leader Licio Gelli, Cossiga declared ‘He is a patriot’. With reference to the same man, Casson stated ‘He is a traitor’. Never before, I believe, had the dual identity of the Italian Republic been so crudely exposed. By patriot, Cossiga referred to Gelli’s loyalty to the secret anti-Communist state. By traitor Casson referred to Gelli’s betrayal of the antifascist legitimating principle of the official state..."

http://www.bath.ac.uk /
http://www.bath.ac.uk/eri/pdf/op-annabull.pdf


Cossiga helped set up the infamous False Flag organization, Operation GLADIO. He stood up for Licio Gelli, the link between P2 and GLADIO, publicly, and called him a patriot.

So, Cossiga is not saying "Inside Job". He is saying that everybody else is saying it, especially the Italian left (in the USA, I think they would be referred to as "those damn commies"). Cossiga has a lifelong bone to pick with the "damn commies".

So what is Cossiga's real intent? Who knows, but he isn't a GLADIO whistleblower, which is what some websites are alleging, he's a GLADIO cover-up man, practically a member of GLADIO, with very shady and dangerous connections.

The real GLADIO whistleblower was Italian Prime Minister Giuilio Andreotti;
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/GAN412A.html

Daniele Ganser's papers on GLADIO are the best;
http://www.psa.ac.uk/journals/pdf/5/2005/Ganser.pdf

Cossiga reeks.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Former Italian President Cossiga exposes CIA & Mossad as 9/11 culprits

Posted on MEDIALENS by Dr Gideon Polya on December 5, 2007

Former President of Italy Francesco Cossiga was a law professor, president of Italy (an important and sophisticated country with a population of about 60 million) and a life Senator of Italy – and accordingly a person whose expert and insider opinions about 9/11 on November 2007 to top Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera should be taken very seriously (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesco_Cossiga ; the link includes a link to the original Italian ), QUOTE:


"[Bin Laden supposedly confessed] to the Qaeda September [attack] to the two towers in New York [claiming to be] the author of the attack of the 11, while all the [intelligence services] of America and Europe ... now know well that the disastrous attack has been planned and realized from the CIA American and the Mossad with the aid of the Zionist world in order to put under accusation the Arabic Countries and in order to induce the western powers to take part ... in Iraq [and] Afghanistan."


Of course this startling testimony from a distinguished, intellligence expert and intelligence "insider" is consistent with the huge BENEFIT to the Racist Zionists and Racist Bush-ites from the dishonest and war criminal exploitation of 9/11 by the Bush Administration to launch the Bush Wars (post-invasion excess deaths in the Occupied Iraqi and Afghan Territories now total 1.5-2 million and 3-6 million, respectively) (see: http://www.countercurrents.org/polya081107.htm ).

This November 2007 interview has been reported in the Alternative media but not as far as I know by the lying, corporate, Bush-ite Mainstream media of the Western Murdochracies.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Good scoop but is there not the thinly veiled anti semitism vein in it (Mossad ,Zionists behind it )

Why is criticism of Mossad or Zionists "anti-Semitic"? Are they to be beyond criticism whatever their actions? If anti-Semiticism is anything of an issue why is the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Semites in Iraq tolerated? Do you mean Jew when you say Semite? If so, why not say what you mean? Are you implying that criticism of Israel must be forbidden because Jews must be beyond criticism? Why? Are they perfect or superior or what?


I quite agree with your comments Blackcat that criticism of Mossad Zionist is not in itself anti semitic (jew). I am always reminding my pro Israeli Christian friends that the Bible frequently says that "Israel did that which was evil....." The point I was making that the accusations against Mossad and Zionist plays into the hands of anti-semitics "The Jews did it"

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:28 am    Post subject: Re: More info., please Reply with quote

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Except, we don't know how he knows that most Intelligence services know it was an inside job. He doesn't say he has spoken to senior, international Intelligence services. When he says they know, does that mean that is their official conclusion or senior folk suspect? Which Intelligence services? CIA, who helped to do it? German, which also helped to do it? MI6 and MI5, both of which help to do it? And if these Intelligence services know, what of their politicians? Do they agree with their Intelligence services?

We need to know more.


Even I have asserted this, that is their job, and to protect the State no matter what Wink

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:44 am    Post subject: Re: More info., please Reply with quote

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Except, we don't know how he knows that most Intelligence services know it was an inside job. He doesn't say he has spoken to senior, international Intelligence services. When he says they know, does that mean that is their official conclusion or senior folk suspect? Which Intelligence services? CIA, who helped to do it? German, which also helped to do it? MI6 and MI5, both of which help to do it? And if these Intelligence services know, what of their politicians? Do they agree with their Intelligence services?

We need to know more.


Even I have asserted this, that is their job, and to protect the State no matter what Wink


I think everybody knows including high-ranking generals and military and journalists.
For years they pretended that the USA 'won' the Cuban missile crisis when in reality they had come to a negotiated agreement behind the scenes.

The same has occurred now. If the Russian government came out openly and stated 9/11 was organised by Bush, then the USA would have to officially assert Putin has been involved in blowing up some buildings in Moscow to justify the 2nd Chechen war.

Instead what the Yanks did was promote Litvinenko asserting he was poisoned by ...Russians, (when he could actually be in Panama) to draw attention to a book he has written detailing precisely the above allegation.

Now they complain why they cant get the election results Putin gets in the USA. So when Cossiga says something he is only saying what is generally known already. I think time is a factor. It took 12 years for it to be widely known that the 'strategy of tension' in the 1970's (which was created and promoted to keep the Communist Party out of government) was part of the Gladio network set up by NATO.

Now we have the CP running the government and instead of that stating 9/11 is an inside job, when nearly all their members actually believe that, Cossiga does. They are trying to manage the exposure to what ends we dont know yet.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I wonder what Dr. Larry O' Hara says to this one.
Is Cossiga part of the paid services of Tarpley or Tarpley part of his services.

Either which way we are in an unsolveable conundrum.
Having accepted the existence of Gladio, Dr. Larry O' Hara must now disassociate himself from one of its founders.


An interesting assertion from Cossiga: all we need is some proof, which he has not of course supplied. If/when he does (I'll not hold my breath) it needs to be analysed like anything else.

As to why I should 'dissociate' myself from somebody I would never wish to be 'associated' with in the first place, that's one for the wilderness of mirrors.

If it helps, Webster Griffin Tarpley is a proven liar & self-confessed collaborator with the Italian 'Security State', boasting about helping jail an innocent man, Toni Negri.

Cossiga is somebody also complicit in the crimes of that security state.

Thus, I have no truck with either of them--which is more than you gullible cultists, is it not?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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you gullible cultists

Yet you bother to post here. There is a special sewer reserved for your kind Larry O. You aren't supposed to be here.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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you gullible cultists

Yet you bother to post here. There is a special sewer reserved for your kind Larry O. You aren't supposed to be here.


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An interesting assertion from Cossiga: all we need is some proof, which he has not of course supplied. If/when he does (I'll not hold my breath) it needs to be analysed like anything else.

As to why I should 'dissociate' myself from somebody I would never wish to be 'associated' with in the first place, that's one for the wilderness of mirrors.

If it helps, Webster Griffin Tarpley is a proven liar & self-confessed collaborator with the Italian 'Security State', boasting about helping jail an innocent man, Toni Negri.

Cossiga is somebody also complicit in the crimes of that security state.

Thus, I have no truck with either of them--which is more than you gullible cultists, is it not?


I dont have a problem with Larry O Hara posting on this particular thread only for the reason that his explanation will not hold water.

He has been on record to state that Gladio existed and did what it is alleged to have done. If that is the case this occurred AFTER Cossiga and Andreotti blew the lid on it not before with Sanguinnetis book.

Which leaves us again with the same type of problem. 9/11 has been alleged by the majority of the worlds population on all opinion poll evidence to have been an inside job.

Now Larry wants Cossiga to provide evidence before he 'changes' his mind.

Did Gladio exist independently of Tarpley and Sanguinneti or does Gladio come into existence only AFTER elements of the establishment have no use for that particular institution and they officially dump it.

For all his talk of 'uncovering the truth' behind hidden conspiracies Larry actually means agreeing with the establishment politicians only after they have revealed their hand, not before. That implies that the only show on the road is the cult of Bush. I would rather be anything else but a Bush cultist.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A Bush occultist?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I dont have a problem with Larry O Hara posting on this particular thread only for the reason that his explanation will not hold water.

He has been on record to state that Gladio existed and did what it is alleged to have done. If that is the case this occurred AFTER Cossiga and Andreotti blew the lid on it not before with Sanguinnetis book.


What a strange convoluted sentence, presumably meant to imply I had not heard of Sanguinetti before you, or did not agree with him. Now, I realise that for you cultists if it isn't on the internet it isn't real, but nonetheless I would direct you to page 83 of a book I wrote in 1994 quoting/praising Sanguinetti & applying his hypothesis to UK politics in one respect.

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Now Larry wants Cossiga to provide evidence before he 'changes' his mind


Indeed I do--because in the real world, assertions by anybody (especially politicians with guilty secrets) should not be taken at face value. Quite basic really--its called 'evidence'--a concept understandably in short supply here.

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For all his talk of 'uncovering the truth' behind hidden conspiracies Larry actually means agreeing with the establishment politicians only after they have revealed their hand, not before. That implies that the only show on the road is the cult of Bush. I would rather be anything else but a Bush cultist.


So, using your convoluted logic, despite my despising Bush & believing he (& Blair) to be war criminals, I am a 'Bush cultist'. This kind of thought process deserves not so much scorn as pity.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I dont have a problem with Larry O Hara posting on this particular thread only for the reason that his explanation will not hold water.

He has been on record to state that Gladio existed and did what it is alleged to have done. If that is the case this occurred AFTER Cossiga and Andreotti blew the lid on it not before with Sanguinnetis book.

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What a strange convoluted sentence, presumably meant to imply I had not heard of Sanguinetti before you, or did not agree with him. Now, I realise that for you cultists if it isn't on the internet it isn't real, but nonetheless I would direct you to page 83 of a book I wrote in 1994 quoting/praising Sanguinetti & applying his hypothesis to UK politics in one respect.



1994 is AFTER Cossigas statement of 1992 as well as Andreottis. What were you saying in the 1980's regarding 'terrorism' is an issue which is similar to what you say about 9/11 now. First you want the state to disclose what it is up to, before you take a real position and then you want to turn round and say ...I told you so!

Convoluted is what you are trying to argue. You are on record as saying 9/11 was done by the people Bush claims did it as well.


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Indeed I do--because in the real world, assertions by anybody (especially politicians with guilty secrets) should not be taken at face value. Quite basic really--its called 'evidence'--a concept understandably in short supply here.

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For all his talk of 'uncovering the truth' behind hidden conspiracies Larry actually means agreeing with the establishment politicians only after they have revealed their hand, not before. That implies that the only show on the road is the cult of Bush. I would rather be anything else but a Bush cultist.


What is the official evidence provided for regarding 9/11?
The passport found intact AFTER the fall of the 3 skyscrapers in New York?
Or the pictures posted by the FBI of Arabs many of whom are still alive AFTER hijacking planes and allegedly dying in them.

But then again if a paper passport can survive intact after explosions of such magnitude why cant the human body. Its more durable after all than paper...
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So, using your convoluted logic, despite my despising Bush & believing he (& Blair) to be war criminals, I am a 'Bush cultist'. This kind of thought process deserves not so much scorn as pity.


When more and more allegations surface and they will, be sure about that, like they did with Gladio, you wont have the chance to turn around and appear as you have done previously as the world moved on and you remained stuck with the likes of Stop the War Coalition, George Galloway, Mark Thomas, Monbiot etc. ie the official left as Bush's last apologists. Jump ship before its too late, if only to remain topical.
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1994 is AFTER Cossigas statement of 1992 as well as Andreottis. What were you saying in the 1980's regarding 'terrorism' is an issue which is similar to what you say about 9/11 now. First you want the state to disclose what it is up to, before you take a real position and then you want to turn round and say ...I told you so!


What an arrogant ignorant person you are--that book, from which this extract was taken, far from being 'retrospective' was a contemporary critique/anticipation of MI5 strategy, at exactly the time Machon/Shayler were in MI5!

Indeed, that very chapter from which this was taken was using Sanguinetti to understand likely future developments inside Combat 18

Therefore, your disgraceful and pathetic attempt to paint me as an after-the-event apologist for MI5 or whoever shows just how non-existent your integrity and research capabilities really are. Of course, because the book is not on the internet, for you sad cultists it doesn't exist.

Tell me, 'conspiracy analyst'--what exactly were you doing in 1994 about Operation Gladio or anything else: absolutely zero is the answer, I'll bet.

I have a proven track record of 30 years plus of Left/Green activism--about 30 years longer than you, I'll also bet.

Your attempts to smear me are as despicable as they are pathetic--when you've read the book (which will be never) come back and tell me how it is an apologia for the secret state. You won't though, will you, you gutless coward--because that would require some research, and, even worse, research involving non-internet based 'activity'.

By the way, what was I "saying in the 1980s regarding terrorism"--can you supply a quote, or reference? I thought not--absolutely pathetic.
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