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TonyGosling Editor
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IanFantom Validated Poster
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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 12:14 pm Post subject: Transcript |
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Does anyone have a transcript of this?
It's really good stuff. I've done the first 1min 30 secs.
It needs translating and distributing, for its practical advice on coping with infiltration. |
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John White Site Admin
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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 12:22 pm Post subject: Re: Transcript |
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IanFantom wrote: | Does anyone have a transcript of this?
It's really good stuff. I've done the first 1min 30 secs.
It needs translating and distributing, for its practical advice on coping with infiltration. |
Is that a volunteering I see there Ian?
It certainly is excellent stuff in need of you-tubing
Well done Tony! _________________ Free your Self and Free the World |
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James C Major Poster
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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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I wonder how many people on this forum follow these concepts to the max?
We'd have to remove most of the content on here if we did as most of it is non 9/11 related and there's little toleration of views outside of Tarpley's vision. In fact there'd be no need for this forum at all, just the requirement to notify people of the next direct action campaign meeting since this is the only thing that counts if you listen to what Tarpley is saying.
There is something strange about someone who tells activists to reveal everything about themselves, forget about the details and ignore other people's views. This coming from someone who can't even disclose the sources of reference in his books properly. |
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John White Site Admin
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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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James C wrote: | I wonder how many people on this forum follow these concepts to the max?
We'd have to remove most of the content on here if we did as most of it is non 9/11 related and there's little toleration of views outside of Tarpley's vision. In fact there'd be no need for this forum at all, just the requirement to notify people of the next direct action campaign meeting since this is the only thing that counts if you listen to what Tarpley is saying.
There is something strange about someone who tells activists to reveal everything about themselves, forget about the details and ignore other people's views. This coming from someone who can't even disclose the sources of reference in his books properly. |
One should never judge a man solely on his own ability to take his own advice: I am certain that ALL of us aspire to principles we struggle to live up to. Nonetheless, nuggetts of wisdom have their own inherant value, and with Truthseekers it should always be "take what feels right: leave the rest" _________________ Free your Self and Free the World |
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TonyGosling Editor
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kbo234 Validated Poster
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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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It was only possible, after many tries, to listen to about half of this talk on my computer.....don't know why this has been happening.
It is an excellent talk, great on strategy, 9/11 self-defence, the need for personal openness and the necessity to move on to pro-active campaigning.
I'd like to hear the rest of it if you've got a better file Tony. |
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truthseeker john Validated Poster
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:20 am Post subject: |
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kbo234 wrote: | It was only possible, after many tries, to listen to about half of this talk on my computer.....don't know why this has been happening. |
If you are using Firefox, try saving the page as. It will then save as the mp3 so you can listen to it later on your computer. _________________ "Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish." - Euripides
"No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it." - Albert Einstein
"To find yourself, think for yourself" - Socrates |
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kbo234 Validated Poster
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:15 am Post subject: |
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Thanks. I was using Firefox. |
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andyb Validated Poster
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:56 am Post subject: |
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sorry tony, the London Posse were out on the streets yesterday. Good interview, but slightly hypocritical saying not to attack people. Tarpley is on record attacking Cynthia McKinney and Cindy Sheehan, calling them crazy and liars. This is just the sort of behaviour he says isn't acceptable in the first couple of minutes?? He has removed off the internet all his shows where this is done. There was deception to get sheehan and Mckinney to sign the Kenenbunkport document, this is not acceptable behaviour either. _________________ "We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the vitriolic words and actions of the bad people, but for the appalling silence of the good people.” Martin Luther King |
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gareth Suspended
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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TonyGosling wrote: | No response so far from Gareth others of the London posse who merrily attacked Webster on the tour thread over Kennebunkport, in support of Colonel Jenny Sparks et al.. Is that all forgotten now? I would have thought some sort of response is in order.
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"Merrily attacked Tarpley on the tour thread"?. Hardly. I posted links to measured and sourced articles that document the entire Kennebunkport affair.
What kind of response are you expecting Tony? A sourced factual one?
Ok.
Webster Tarpley is on record calling Cynthia Mckinney and Cindy Sheehan (and various other peace and anti-war activists) "wretched individuals", "crazy" and "liars" despite them offering their support to the 9/11 Truth Movement. He has also accused genuine and committed 9/11 activists of being cointelpro agents and foundation funded without providing any evidence of such. All of which leaves your cute interview with Tarpley hypocritical and a farce.
Is this appropriate behaviour from a self appointed 'leader'? Of course not. For the reasons above i have no problem calling Webster Tarpley an enemy of 9/11 Truth.
[And i didn't even need to mention his mate Nico Haupt either]
Recommended reading (and listening):
9-11 Synthetic Error - The meltdown of Webster G. Tarpley by Michael Wolsey
Webster Tarpley Attacks 9-11 Activists on 6th Anniversary in NYC
Kennebunkport Warning Cartoon: We are Funded by the Ford Foundation Because we Oppose Divisive Language? by Arabesque
The Kennebunkport Warning Controversy Reviewed by Arabesque
The Kennebunkport Warning: A Hoax? from the truthaction.org website
Webster Tarpley: Your services will no longer be required in the 9/11 Truth Movement by Col. Jenny Sparks
Cosmos had researcher Jim Hoffman as the guest on the October 15 edition of Truth Revolution Radio. Listen here. Jim is the creator of the sites wtc7.net, 911research.com and 911review.com. The discussion covers Jim's first involvement with 9/11 research and moves on to the topic of disinformation and disruption in the movement. Arabesque has provided a transcript of the broadcast available here.
Quote: | Jim Hoffman: It’s so clear. What possible motive would there be someone to go making these vicious characterizations of these really well known peace activists like Cindy Sheehan… When people like [Cosmos], Arabesque, and Wolsey report on it, to be viciously attacked by Tarpley with all these ridiculous accusations of COINTELPRO…? Very entertaining to watch, very vivid, just lurid—it’s ridiculous. It’s all just completely concocted, he makes it sound like you, and Wolsey and these people that he’s saying are COINTELPRO just popped up in the last year is just an utter lie. I think it’s a really good test of whether people are really in this in the benefit of our movement: are we going to tolerate this sort of thing? Where are the voices of the alleged leaders of the 9/11 truth movement about this and similar incidents? I think the silence from some quarters is deafening. |
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Frazzel Angel - now passed away
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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i urge you all to keep an open mind, remain mindful of the sources, ie anonymous screen names ? dont rush to any hasty conclusions and remember none of us are perfect, we all make mistakes.
we do need to be very cautious about believing slurs on anyone as the black panthers experiences show. the fbi placed agents within the east coast and west coast branch of the black panther party, and proceeded to use these agents to sow seeds of distrust between the two sections of the black panther party. they used very convincing fake documents to "proove" slurs upon key members. this went on for sometime resulting in threats of violence and very heated exchanges between key members, until eventually the two sections realised what was going on. please people be very very aware that this sort of thing can go on. a healthy dose of scepticism with everything is a good thing. i am now going to read gareth and tonys links.
gareth - i cant access the michael wolsey link. any other way of hearing/reading it? _________________ "injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere" Martin Luther king |
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gareth Suspended
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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frazzel wrote: | i am now going to read gareth and tonys links. |
Tony hasn't provided any links.
He openly slanders people instead.....
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TonyGosling wrote: | IMHO this grim cartoon just about sums the whole business up
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frazzel wrote: | gareth - i cant access the michael wolsey link. any other way of hearing/reading it? |
click here _________________ www.truthaction.org/forum
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John White Site Admin
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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I'm pretty sure Tony didnt draw that Gareth. Calling commenting on a cartoon "slander" is a bit strong, don't you think? _________________ Free your Self and Free the World |
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John White Site Admin
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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gareth wrote: | John White wrote: | I'm pretty sure Tony didnt draw that Gareth. Calling commenting on a cartoon "slander" is a bit strong, don't you think? |
I don't think he drew it either.It appears to have been circulated to some degree by Tarpley himself.
Tony posting the cartoon as he has is bordering on slander/defamation in my opinion but i'm certainly not going to lose any sleep if you disagree John. What is alleged in the cartoon is very serious. |
And the allegations against Tarpley arn't "very serious"? I'm not picking sides here, but I am constantly amazed by how people are their own worst enemies calling peoples attention to things they would rather were ignored: unless of course people actually like having a cartoon made about them becuase it allows them to make a fuss and get lots of attention
Being as you just quoted the cartoon yourself, will you be turning yourself in for commiting slander and defamation of character Gareth?
Of course not! Why not?
Simple: becuase of how your percieve your motivation for posting it
So what you are saying is you are looking at the issue of a cartoon based NOT on what the cartoon itself says/infers/alledges (cos if its OK for you to post it, why not Tony?) but becuase of an abstract notion of intention in the person posting it
We like to think we are more "advanced" than politicians and the MSM in so many ways, and often we are, but when a bunch of people can't handle that bastion of free speach, the piss taking cartoon, they are only pwning themselves as people taking themselves FAR to seriously
And I don't have a problem with them, I quite enjoyed our little chat at truthaction the other day, though sparks is a bit intense
Just an observed opinion
That is OK I hope? _________________ Free your Self and Free the World |
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blackbear Validated Poster
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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Hello Gareth..
You posted ...9/11 Synthetic Error...by MichaelWolsey...
who states.....
"I believe it is essential that we only present to the public the best information that we have in our attempts to awaken the sleeping masses. If we are to convince the average skeptic that “9-11 was an inside job”, then we had better be able to provide convincing proof if we hope to get that person on board with the movement. .......... While you are at it, tell them a missile hit the Pentagon "
Do you believe a plane hit the Pentagon.?
Thanks Blackbear.... |
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TonyGosling Editor
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John White Site Admin
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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Controversies is the right place for any dispute about 9/11 personalities no matter their opinions Tony: It by defination a 9/11 truth controversy
I'll shift it now _________________ Free your Self and Free the World |
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John White Site Admin
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TonyGosling wrote: | All I have to do then is to attack a key thread on here and it'll get moved - - errrum.
I think his advice on this recording is absolutely 100% sound. How can we allow anonymous web posters to bring down a man who has probably done more than any of us to promote the cause of 9/11 truth through his long standing international profile and books?
I smelt a rat when people started dragging up his LaRouche connections - listen - he fell out with Larouche over a decade ago. The same people who hounded David Icke out of the Green Party after our biggest election victory ever bang on about how dangerous LaRouche is.
If the free speech of Lyndon LaRouche is dangerous I'm the queen of Siam!
John White wrote: | Controversies is the right place for any dispute about 9/11 personalities no matter their opinions Tony: It by defination a 9/11 truth controversy
I'll shift it now |
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Well we could always re-post the info as a sticky in news and lock it Tony
And if anyone wants to argue the toss, we can direct them here to do so
I'd do that too, but the thread should be yours really, so if you'd like the honours... _________________ Free your Self and Free the World |
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andyb Validated Poster
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 1:01 am Post subject: |
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TonyGosling wrote: | Do you have any points to make about what Webster has to say here, particularly about the use of screen names?
Do you have any evidence that 'there was a deception to con anyone in to signing this?
As far as I can see it is clear that Cynthia didn't sign.
andyb wrote: | sorry tony, the London Posse were out on the streets yesterday. Good interview, but slightly hypocritical saying not to attack people. Tarpley is on record attacking Cynthia McKinney and Cindy Sheehan, calling them crazy and liars. This is just the sort of behaviour he says isn't acceptable in the first couple of minutes?? He has removed off the internet all his shows where this is done. There was deception to get sheehan and Mckinney to sign the Kenenbunkport document, this is not acceptable behaviour either. |
Maybe we should move this to controversies
Any thoughts?? |
The public were deceived into the fact Cynthia had signed it, simple. She said that she agreed on a petition to impeach cheney via email. This is deception. then we have, on tape, Tarpley calling Mckinney 'a liar and crazy'. This is just the sort of behaviour he's having a go about in your interview. I can post this interview if you like??
Oh and lock the thread and make it sticky at the top so we can't mention this That sounds free and fair _________________ "We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the vitriolic words and actions of the bad people, but for the appalling silence of the good people.” Martin Luther King |
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John White Site Admin
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 3:57 am Post subject: |
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Who said you cant mention it? You just did!
See the words disappearing off the screen?
But that doesnt mean we have to hang our arguments out the front of the site: and whenever we have a situation regarding any 9/11 "personality" (as created by virtue of people paying attention to them) we always get an arguement
Controversies can handle that fine
But the 15 minutes of audio with Tarpley is seperate, it is an interview obtained by a member of the campaign, that is deserving news, we are adults, we can listen to it, take what we like, and discard the rest: same as every other peice of information: it doesnt need the anchor of a whole bunch of opinion about Tarpley's character
Besides which, this is one of the most viewed sections on the site
Forums are fueled on DRAMA _________________ Free your Self and Free the World |
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