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Disco_Destroyer
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 Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 4:17 pm Post subject: Another pet thought:- From Cigarets to Alcahol? |
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Since the beginning of the smokers ban I have thought Alcahol would be next and time has began to show this to be true! Here is another example fresh today:-
| Quote: | Government 'guessed' alcohol limits
http://news.uk.msn.com/Article.aspx?cp-documentid=6454028
Guidelines on safe alcohol limits introduced 20 years ago were no more than an "intelligent guess", according to reports.
The Department of Health continues to recommend that men should drink no more than 21 units of alcohol per week, and women should drink no more than 14 units.
But the guidelines, first introduced in 1987, had no firm scientific basis, according to a report in The Times newspaper.
Richard Smith, a member of the Royal College of Physicians working party that produced the recommendations, told the paper the limits were prompted by "a feeling that you had to say something".
He said: "Those limits were really plucked out of the air. They were not based on any firm evidence at all. It was a sort of intelligent guess by a committee."
The committee's epidemiologist had confessed that "it's impossible to say what's safe and what isn't" because "we don't really have any data whatsoever", Mr Smith said.
The former editor of the British Medical Journal said members of the working party felt obliged to produce the guidelines because of concerns over growing evidence of the chronic damage caused by heavy, long-term drinking.
The Times also reported that a coalition of health organisations, headed by the Royal College of Physicians, was seeking to force a 10% increase in alcohol taxation.
A group including Alcohol Concern and the British Liver Trust will form the Alcohol Health Alliance in a bid to secure stricter regulation for the drinks industry, the paper said. |
So here comes what I have next become to realise or suspect:- It is my view that Alcahol and Tobacco were never the desired target but the public house itself. I believe it is a concerted effort to destroy social gathering, by forcing pubs out of business. Remember this government (or Tories unsure?) already have laws in place to prevent gatherings even in your own home. I believe it is a concerted effort to destroy a way of life for some by the back door! and remember the public house is the only meeting place where comunities can gather in discussion and talk of the ills of Government and Society.
I beieve that they our leaders under estimated the fact that smokers would not go out so have moved onto Alcahol itself.
Anyone have any views on this??
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karlos
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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One point to note
places like Tesco and Asda sell alcohol CHEAPER than the pubs can buy it in at.
so a customer thinks if i go to Tesco i get 24 bottles of Stella for £10 if i go to the pub i get 4 bottles of stell for the same tenner,
i wont be allowed to smoke and may get into a ruck,
better stay at home its cheaper and safer
i have noticed that less and less people are going out and more are having domestic gatherings
children have sleepovers and the result is probably also to do with our streets being the playground for ferrel teenagers running around with guns
Although i personally am not in favour of smoking or drinking to excess i do think that Britain is undergoing a form of social engineering the like of which has never been seen before.
many pubs are now blocks of flats or supermarkets
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| stelios wrote: | One point to note
places like Tesco and Asda sell alcohol CHEAPER than the pubs can buy it in at.
so a customer thinks if i go to Tesco i get 24 bottles of Stella for £10 if i go to the pub i get 4 bottles of stell for the same tenner,
i wont be allowed to smoke and may get into a ruck,
better stay at home its cheaper and safer
i have noticed that less and less people are going out and more are having domestic gatherings
children have sleepovers and the result is probably also to do with our streets being the playground for ferrel teenagers running around with guns
Although i personally am not in favour of smoking or drinking to excess i do think that Britain is undergoing a form of social engineering the like of which has never been seen before.
many pubs are now blocks of flats or supermarkets |
This is a southern phenomena not northern.
By liberalising the licensing hours many small independent pubs will go under. Only the big chains will survive.
Britain has always targeted what most people would call enjoyment, boozing and smoking first through very high taxes, then with the hours bans (closing time) and now with banning smoking.
I think there is something more sinister. They want to get rid of drinking as it is a European thing not a US thing. By banning drinking until 21 as they do in the States they will aim to get people ONTO drugs which can more easily be used to manipulate you. The overpromotion of druggies in the media have this as the aim eg Kate Moss and Pete (i'm always stoned) Doherty.
The point about fear is if you are locked into your home you are an easier target. Societies which are boarded up and live under constant fear of invaders are less free. |
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elohim
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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It' a form of social engineering....
The best example of is the smoking ban & China's 1 child policy.
Even before the smoking ban smoking was frowned upon, people coughing & splittering at the mere hint of a smoker. Now people will eargley report any violation.
In China the engineering or programming of a concept as unacceptable means that the Goverment no longer has to hunt down those who defy their "evil" 1 child policy, the neighbours will report those who defy the ban.
*I am not saying smoking is right, however the social programming to control the public's perception of acceptablity is undeniable.
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