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I think the Israeli state's treatment of the Palestinians is racist and much more worthy of equating with Nazism than say the BNP.
Since Britain was responsiblefor Palestine and helped create the Israeli state if British journalists cannot say this then who can?
It is our responsibility to show the Zionist cause up to be a racist cause and with the abuse of human rights of Palestinians.
It's also utterly sick that they go on about being 'God's people entitled to God's land' even though Zionists are almost entirely secular Jews.
They are, without a shadow of a doubt in my mind, the most active deadly and pernicious influence in the world today. Particularly because of collossal Zionist influence over the Western banking system and media.
| paul wright wrote: | Yup, we know how it is.
Tony, I can't wait to see how all this is presented on the 7/7 documentary
If I was of the Liberal Left types who dominate the BBC, the Guardian and Independent and whose more active wing inhabit Indymedia,Rachel North UB75 and so on, then I'd be shlurping up material from here, carefully edited to back up the tie between Nick K and his holocaust theory, and the repeated, (and justified imo) vitriol here against the Israeli state, and here an obvious example of its brainwashed inhabitants
I'm not saying this material shouldn't be discussed, far from it.
I'm not saying Tristan has this mindset, though I presume from his position he has an Oxbridge educated traditional Left/Liberal background.
That certainly applies to his parents (I can't say they were Oxbridge for certain)
I'm just interested at how easy it would be for the BBC to demolish the whole 7/7 truth movement as antisemitic, according to the current meme and trigger words and images, if they choose to do so
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"It is our responsibility to show the Zionist cause up to be a racist cause and with the abuse of human rights of Palestinians."
And the cause of Hamas is any better?
Oh and Tony I sent you a PM a while ago, could you find the time to reply to it? |
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| Quote: | War on Iran: The Perfect Storm from Hell
As the global bankers’ plan to bring down the American and world’s economy continues (so that they can acquire as much of our wealth as possible at ‘fire sale’ prices ~ an old strategy), the world is facing another much worse danger. A regional war in the Middle East that will involve global strategic weapons of mass destruction with deaths in the hundreds of millions in North America, Europe, the Middle East and globally.
I have served as a consultant to three very high tech aerospace firms. My specialty is conceptualizing advanced warfare especially as it relates to new cutting edge advanced weapon systems. What I see unfolding with a war on Iran is the most frightening set of circumstances I have ever seen; and I have been involved in advanced theoretical weaponry strategy and design for over 20 years.
The rise of the Likud/neo-cons, with Benjamin Netanyahu as the unholy high priest, has been a disaster for Israel, America, the Middle East, and the world at large. The smartest thing that (counterfeit-)Israel ever did was to use American money to buy off Jordan and Egypt and make peace with them. The dumbest thing was to empower the Likud Party hardliners centered on Bibi Netanyahu and the Bush/Cheney Administration (with supporting roles played by Sharon, and neo-con leaders in the United Kingdom, France, Germany, Italy, and elsewhere). Four years ago (counterfeit-)Israel was nowhere near a MAD (mutually assured destruction) environment. Today it has a very dangerous four-front MAD environment and it was unable, in the Second Lebanon War of two years ago, to overturn the dangers surrounding it, in fact the level of MAD danger has increased considerably since the summer of 2006.
The war party in Israel and America has facilitated the rise of a regional (Iran/Syria/Lebanon/Palestine) MAD. I truly believe that the Likud/neo-con strategy is a total failure. The stated goal of the strategy is to break-up and weaken several Middle Eastern states that pose, or could pose, a strategic risk to Israel. To this end Saddam was encouraged to attack Kuwait resulting in the First Gulf War. When he was able to demonstrate, even in the face of intense allied air attacks, his ability to “deliver ordinance on target” using his Scud missiles the United States (and allies) decided not to drive all the way to Bagdad. We knew that he was holding back “the heavy stuff” and only using “dumb” high explosive warheads; not the chemical, biological and radiological warheads that could have caused massive damage to Israel and to the Saudi oilfields. Saddam Hussein's military had prepared what it called the "great equalizer", an arsenal of 25 Scud warheads carrying over 11,000lb of biological agents, including deadly botulism poison and anthrax germs (an additional 33,000lb of germ agents were placed in artillery shells and bombs). It was only after he was forced into denuding himself of his advanced weaponry that the neo-cons were able to begin the Second Gulf War.
After Iraq, the Likud/neo-con war strategy calls for the neutralizing of Iran and Syria. The Iranians’ response was to train and equip Hezbollah in Lebanon and to deepen their strategic alliance with Syria.
During the 2006 Second Lebanon War, the Iranian trained and equipped Hezbollah forces repeated the efforts of Saddam during the First Gulf War. They delivered a very large number of rockets with “dumb” high explosive warheads on Israel. The Hezbollah Special Forces are in-effect a highly trained and well-equipped Iranian commando force of at least a Brigade in size. They man and protect a large number of mostly unguided and rather crude rockets, generally Katyusha 122mm artillery rockets with a 19 mile/30km range and capable of delivering approximately 66 pounds/30kg of warheads. Additionally, Hezbollah are known to possess a considerable number of more advanced and longer range missiles. During the 2006 war Hezbollah fired approximately 4,000 rockets (95% of which were Katyushas) all utilizing only "dumb" high explosive warheads. Some Iranian built and supplied Fajr-3 and Ra'ad 1 liquid-fueled missiles were also fired. At the time of the 2006 war Hezbollah was reported to have in the range of 13,000 rockets. There are creditable reports that this number has been rebuilt and expanded upon since the end of that war and that the number of rockets is now at least 20,000 and perhaps 30,000 or more.
During the 2006 war the world watched as Israeli towns were hit time and time again by the Katyushas. What was not discussed by the main stream news media was the fact that the ordinance delivered by the Katyushas was mainly harassment fire with very limited effect. The Iranian/Syrian trained and supplied Hezhollah commandos were holding back their "heavy stuff" both in terms of their longer range guided missiles capable of hitting southern Israel and most importantly warheads of strategic military importance. That is NBC (nuclear [in this case radiological] biological and chemical) and advanced-conventional warheads. They were demonstrating their ability to deliver "ordinance on target" and their ability to survive a heavy Israeli ground and air combined arms attack.
Hezbollah has the capability of loading truly strategic warheads on the large number of mostly crude older technology unguided rockets that it has. The use of advanced-conventional fuel-air explosive (FAE) warheads on the Katyushas would have had a much more profound effect in Israeli cities. The use of FAE submunitions on the larger missiles capable of hitting any target in Israel would have given Hezbollah the firepower of low-yield nuclear weapons without crossing the nuclear threshold. Coupled with the large number of missiles in Syria and those in Iran, the Hezbollah rockets posed, and continue to pose, a truly grave strategic threat to Israel if FAE warheads are used. This threat is dramatically increased if radiological ("dirty bombs"), chemical, and/or biological warheads are used.
The massive number of Hezbollah rockets could also be outfitted with chemical warheads. It is worth noting that the joint Syrian-Iranian chemical warfare R&D and production program is perhaps the largest and most complicated on earth. Generally the Israelis have shown themselves to be prepared for chemical warfare, however a chemical war attack following closely behind a FAE attack (to open up bunkers and apartment buildings) would have greater effect. While it is not necessary to utilize a rocket to deliver a biological war attack, it could be done and there is some benefit militarily to a rapid dispersal of biowar agents under the cover of conventional attacks. Radiological weapons deliver the long term (which can be hundreds of thousands of years) lethal effects of radiation without the blast effect of a nuclear bomb.
The combined military strategic capability of NBC/Advanced Conventional warheads and very large numbers of rockets operated and protected by Hezbollah, coupled with the arsenal of Syria and Iran (and Hamas) acts as a MAD (mutually assured destruction) between Israel and Iran/Syria. Yes the Israelis can nuke the hell out of both Iran and Syria; however, they possess a fatal return punch.
The response from the Israeli and neo-con hardliners to the new MAD strategic environment has been frightening. Instead of recognizing the danger to Israel and to the entire world from the Iranian/Syrian “checkmate” on the aggressive Israeli/neo-con strategy, and making major changes to their strategy, they are attempting to “tough it out”. The issue of “danger from the Iranian nuclear program” is a smokescreen to facilitate the coming war on Iran and her allies (Syria, Hezbollah, and Hamas) and to continue with the next stage of the neo-con strategy. The response from the hardliners is more war and damn their WMD (weapons of mass destruction). This is most unwise and most dangerous to the entire world.
When the USSR was falling apart, and in the aftermath of the USSR breakup, Iran spent a lot of money to hire some of the best Soviet biological war experts. The advanced biowar weapons that Iran has developed gives Iran a Global Strategic Weapon of Mass Destruction that can unleash levels of death among the populations of the major neo-con nations (USA, UK, France, German, Italy, etc.) very similar to that from a global strategic nuclear strike. This means that Iran and her allies have a MAD with America, Canada, the United Kingdom, France, German, Italy, etc.
Most people think of biological warfare as anthrax and smallpox; they do not understand that there has been a major shift in technology. The difference between the old biowar (that most people think of) and advanced biowar (with its recombination DNA designer super killer viruses) is like the difference between an old Model T Ford and a 2008 Rolls Royce Phantom. Both are cars, or biological weapons, but there is a difference of several orders of magnitude.
Regardless of how a war against Iran breaks out, it is likely to very quickly escalate to the usage of WMD. There has been talk among USAF war planners of a 1,200 (some say 2,000 to 3,000 or more) target attack on Iran’s nuclear, industrial, military, political and religious infrastructure. If a foreign enemy were to bomb 1,200 or more targets in the United States what would be the response of the American government and its military? Actually the answer to this question is well known. The stated doctrine of the United States of America is to rain hundreds of hydrogen bombs (WMD) on the territory and people of such an aggressor; this has been our policy for approximately 60 years. Why do we presuppose that the Iranians would not do the same?
If Iran is hit by either an Israeli and/or an American air attack, it is certain that Iran will respond. This response, even if is non-WMD at first, will certainly result in more escalation and counter-escalation. The chances of a regional Middle East war between Iran/Syria/Hezbollah/Hamas and Israel/USA not becoming a nuclear and advanced biological war nightmare are very low. In fact, since both sides know this, there is a strong military incentive to move to all out usage of WMD when the first bombs begin to fall (in order to utilize more of one’s weaponry before its destruction).
The end result will be a third or so of Israelis dead and large parts of the Israeli nation poisoned for hundreds of thousands of years by radiological warheads. Syria, Iran, and large parts of Lebanon and Palestine will cease to exist and will be little more than a green radioactive debris field poisonous to all forms of life higher than a cockroach for hundreds of thousands of years (longer than modern man has existed). The Iranian oilfields and most likely the oilfields of a large part of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and other areas of the Middle East are also apt to be so poisoned by Iranian radiological warheads or Israeli/American nuclear fallout.
The world will suffer its most complete economic collapse in history. All of this will take less than one week.
At about two weeks, after the beginning of the war on Iran, emergency rooms and doctors’ offices will begin to see a sudden spike in a number of new diseases with numerous very ill people being admitted to hospitals in North America, and Western Europe and what is left of Israel. By that time the Iranian and Syrian states will have effectively ceased to exist with insufficient manpower and organization to even bury their dead.
The many new genetically engineered viruses causing the strange diseases showing up will have been spread by sleeper agents supplied with a number of new viruses and distributed in public places (movie theaters, shopping malls, churches, etc.) quietly without anyone knowing. Humans themselves will become the vectors of the diseases/biowar agents. Although the Bush Administration has spent $40 billion on biowar defense in the last couple of years, there is little that can realistically be done against a global strategic advanced biowar attack. The tactic of necessity will be to lock down everyone, with only key persons being allowed to leave their homes, in order to let the multiple genetically engineered diseases burn themselves out (a nice way of saying letting everyone who has the illnesses die off).
Expect to see dear old Bibi Netanyahu as ‘head’ of what is left of (counterfeit-)Israel. Expect to see sub dermal RFID chips implanted under the skin of the population left in the major neo-con states to “prove your disease free status” and necessary to buy, sell, or work. Expect to see military checkpoints everywhere and total control by the neo-con national governments over all aspects of life. Expect to see concentration camps for persons suspected of disloyalty to the state (this will include many viewers of sites like this one). Expect to see levels of death, fear, repression that are almost incomprehensible.
Expect to see the various biological warfare diseases spread throughout the world, even with a total shutdown of international travel. Millions will die in Russia and China. Expect to see those national governments not controlled by the neo-con masters to go ape-Limbaugh when their populations face the nightmare of advanced biowar. Expect the regional war in the Middle East to trigger an all out global battle utilizing all forms of weapons of mass destruction within a few months of the initial attacks on Iran.
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TonyGosling wrote:
| Quote: | | They are, without a shadow of a doubt in my mind, the most active deadly and pernicious influence in the world today. Particularly because of collossal Zionist influence over the Western banking system and media. |
Maybe. But didn't Albert Pike call for "political Zionism" and Islam to destroy each other in WW3? It would be foolish to rule out the possibility of a higher echelon hiding behind them. Rather like Zionists hide behind Jews?
Isn't it the case that while the so called "Star of David" is a Zionist / Satanist / whatever your position, but definitely non - Judaic symbol, the menorah is specifically Judaic? That's my understanding, but I could be wrong of course.
Not that it bothers me. I'm just curious about the seemingly very elastic enforcement of thought control rules on the forum.
If Tony ever gives me my pencils back, perhaps I'll use my mock up of the Israeli flag with swastika as my avatar.
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| Quote: | | And the cause of Hamas is any better? |
Of course. By an order of magnitude, if you could quantify it, IMO.
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"Of course. By an order of magnitude, if you could quantify it, IMO."
Why is killing kids and innocents in anyway a good thing?
Why is it inexcusable for the Israeli's but fine for Hamas? |
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Desmond wrote:
And the cause of Hamas is any better?
simplesimon wrote:
Of course. By an order of magnitude, if you could quantify it, IMO.
Desmond wrote:
Why is killing kids and innocents in anyway a good thing?
Why is it inexcusable for the Israeli's but fine for Hamas?
Desmond, you are so transparently dishonest, I'm beginning to think you are Dogmilks' trainee case officer. At least you keep it short and not to the point, which I suppose is better than long and not to the point. Scrolling down without bothering to read your posts will be slightly quicker.
I'll just note your methods here once, and then I doubt I'll bother replying to your shillery again.
"Why is killing kids and innocents in anyway a good thing?"
I didn't say it, you know I don't think it - bogus extrapolation and unjustified smearing.
"Why is it inexcusable for the Israeli's but fine for Hamas?"
As above.
And you affect not to know the difference between "cause" and "how it is pursued". The tactic is to get people to waste time and effort clarifying a contrived misunderstanding and defending themselves for what they didn't say.
But hey, keep doing it. I'm for absolute free speech on this forum. I wouldn't want to see anyone banned, excepting proof positive they're shills, which is practically impossible to obtain. Maybe you're just a bit dense. Either way, you're not helping your cause, so work away.
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TonyGosling
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Desmond
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Well Tony if you actually responded to my PMs and actually explained why I am limited to the CC when I am not a critic then I would.
But since you're either too ignorant or rude to bother replying I can only see it as vindictive behavior.
After 7 messages you have continued to refuse to give me a straight answer. If you think I'm a critic then feel free to show a case in which I have been.
Otherwise it looks like a child abuse of what little power you have in this world and sheer hypocrisy. For a man who fights so hard against corruption I would expect you at the very least to give a timely straight answer to a simple question. Failure to do so just seems to be a case of the things you rile against.
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| Sent you an 8th message now Tony. Can I get a straight answer now? |
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| Desmond wrote: | | .......when I am not a critic..... |
Yeah right.
Desmond is the latest in a long line of individuals attacking this site and making large numbers of posts over a short period. He is working from the USA. If it is possible to check his location you will probably find he is working from Langley, Virginia or San Diego California.
See thread below.
http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=122635&highlight=#122 635
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.......next time this thoroughly dishonest individual marks his fraudulent presence outside Critic's Corner.....
.....just ban him please.....even though we can be sure he will be back shortly with a slightly different strategy and writing style presenting himself under a different name. |
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"He is working from the USA. If it is possible to check his location you will probably find he is working from Langley, Virginia or San Diego California."
A big and false claim. Don't start throwing accusations around that you have no way of backing up, or proving in anyway. I'm posting from Scotland.
You made an accusation and it's wrong, you are continuing to throw that dirt around because you have nothing better.
And the admin can check my location I imagine, and in which case I'll expect an apology from you. If they can check my IP address then they can use that to confirm my location as within the UK. Though I doubt you will apologize even proved to be wrong and fool for making such a false accusation, you were so arrogant to make it with nothing, you won't withdraw it even when it is proved baseless.
You're "hunch" is exactly that and a bad one. Fail. Try again with something new.
Not only did you call me a liar in a totally baseless accusation. But like Tony you're going to be hard pushed to paint me as a critic. While I don't subscribe to all beliefs that many in this forum do, I do still very much question the official story on 9-11, and you won't find me saying otherwise.
So yet again, why am I called a critic?
And Tony while you are answering a question that I asked over a week ago now you can also check my IP address and prove kbo there wrong. |
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| Desmond wrote: | "He is working from the USA. If it is possible to check his location you will probably find he is working from Langley, Virginia or San Diego California."
A big and false claim. Don't start throwing accusations around that you have no way of backing up, or proving in anyway. I'm posting from Scotland.
You made an accusation and it's wrong, you are continuing to throw that dirt around because you have nothing better.
And the admin can check my location I imagine, and in which case I'll expect an apology from you. If they can check my IP address then they can use that to confirm my location as within the UK. Though I doubt you will apologize even proved to be wrong and fool for making such a false accusation, you were so arrogant to make it with nothing, you won't withdraw it even when it is proved baseless.
You're "hunch" is exactly that and a bad one. Fail. Try again with something new.
Not only did you call me a liar in a totally baseless accusation. But like Tony you're going to be hard pushed to paint me as a critic. While I don't subscribe to all beliefs that many in this forum do, I do still very much question the official story on 9-11, and you won't find me saying otherwise.
So yet again, why am I called a critic?
And Tony while you are answering a question that I asked over a week ago now you can also check my IP address and prove kbo there wrong. |
How did you come to read the time of my post as 3:19 when it was 2:19 if you are not outside the UK and miscalculated because you translated time into GMT instead of BST?
If I'm proved wrong on this I'll apologise.......but Desmond, you are a critic. Your style is familiar and your purpose obvious. You should be in Critic's Corner.
......and, if you are what I think you are, you will be happy to routinely lie.
........after all, it's part and parcel of the job description.
.......we may be dumb Desmond but we are not all entirely stupid and the honest 9/11 truthers who post here hold it in mind at all times that the whole purpose of this site is to expose the lies of the people you are busy defending. |
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Desmond
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Well when you sign up it asks you which timezone you want used. The default is GMT, it can be seen and changed in your profile. I never bothered. It's in the part labeled preferences.
"you are a critic."
No I'm not, again you are making baseless accusations.
Oh and if I was "one of them", then I wouldn't be so stupid to make a mistake over timezone differences.
I'm sure Tony will clarify the matter soon enough. |
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| Desmond wrote: | | Well when you sign up it asks you which timezone you want used. The default is GMT, it can be seen and changed in your profile. I never bothered. It's in the part labeled preferences. |
OK sorry.
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No I'm not, again you are making baseless accusations.
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Baseless? Can't agree with this. |
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Apology accepted kbo.
And if you feel that that accusation is not baseless then perhaps give me the base of it. As I have noted and no one has even tried to debate, I have not at any point accepted or defend the official line of events on 9-11. There is now a thread in the truth controversies section about this and is I believe the proper place for such input. Feel free to give yours and continue this there. |
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