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I know many people who doubt their opening up, doubt many leading figures. The incoming vibrancy is difficult to determine what's natural and what's manipulated. But anyway, has anyone seen the latest AJ?
Alex appears to have moderated his voice for a softer approach
I'm sure it will be free to all over the internet within 48 hours.
Good issues raised
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Scary s*t.
Good work, though he could have edited a few bits around Bilderberg much more.
I'd like to see sources / facts / documents that support the claims made.
The eugenics / Harriman stuff is most likely true I'm afraid. |
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Just finished watching it myself and though I agree AJ did drag the Bilderberg content out a bit overall I am left very impressed.
I just watched Alex Jones for over 2 hours and my ears ain't even ringing 
It does feel good to watch the bilderberg crew looking somewhat pissed off/surprised when AJ and co accost em outside.
The question I think is, would this type of action ever stand a chance of rushing the elite into some action or reaction via their governmental puppets that will draw unavoidable mainstream attention?
They are surely very far from rashness or stupidity but I feel arrogance and a clear disdain for the population may be a factor.
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| Quote: | | Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut, that held its ground. |
lol I wonder if that can be stretched to the Brewerys Creation lol
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Hold your horses people, let us be sceptical shall we.
One of the lines that struck me the most in the film was the one attributed to Bertrand Russell that made him appear sympathetic to the eugenist agenda.
Russell is quoted as saying:
'Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible.'
But let's examine this a bit closer.
Did Russell actually express such views?
The answer is no.
In my view, the quote is taken out of context and is clearly misleading.
Russell is actually talking about the ills of dictatorship in relation to Fichte, a German philosopher who shared the totalitarian views of our old friend...Hegel.
Hegel wrote such delightful Marxist anti-individual things as:
So what is the actual quote by Russell?
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Fichte laid it down that education should aim at de-, straying free will, so that, after pupils have left school, they shall be incapable, throughout the rest of their lives, of thinking or acting otherwise than as their schoolmasters would have wished.
But in his day this was an unattainable ideal.
What he regarded as the best system in existence produced Karl Marx.
In future such failures are not likely to occur where there is dictatorship.
Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible.
Even if all are miserable, all will believe themselves happy, because the government will tell them that they are so. (I.S.S.p50)
http://users.drew.edu/~jlenz/br-best-education.html
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As far as I'm concerned, the quote in the movie is either poor research, ignorance or sophisticated disinfo on AJ's behalf.
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This is not the 1st nor dare I say will it be the last time he is been caught like this, and I have wondered whether he had an ulterior motive like a power grab (he does seem power crazy). What do we suggest support AJ or the known criminals already in power?
Cheers for pointing it out and any more you come up with 
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Power crazy? What nonsense. Jones's videos are full of mistakes, like most truthseekers stuff.
What matters is the general drift rather than the detail
See terrorstorm for ample evidence
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What matters is the general drift rather than the detail. |
I'll have to disagree with that statement.
What disturbs me is that in the course of this 'general drift' important people (e.g. Russell) are blatantly misrepresented.
This feels a bit like re-writing history, you know?
Furthermore, inaccuracies in details make the work of 'debunkers' far easier.
All they have to do to discredit any piece of credible information is to associate it with factual errors & oversights. |
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| dh wrote: | Power crazy? What nonsense. Jones's videos are full of mistakes, like most truthseekers stuff.
What matters is the general drift rather than the detail
See terrorstorm for ample evidence |
Maybe power crazy is the wrong wording but he is directing the flow of an uprising or at least trying to
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| Quote: | Hold your horses people, let us be sceptical shall we.
One of the lines that struck me the most in the film was the one attributed to Bertrand Russell that made him appear sympathetic to the eugenist agenda.
Russell is quoted as saying:
'Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible.'
But let's examine this a bit closer.
Did Russell actually express such views?
The answer is no. |
I don't think End Game or anybody has attributed this particular quote as an expression of Lord Russell's views.
It was emotionless statement of a future "dictatorship", neither endorsed or denied by Russell.
| Quote: | In my view, the quote is taken out of context and is clearly misleading.
Russell is actually talking about the ills of dictatorship in relation to Fichte, a German philosopher who shared the totalitarian views of our old friend...Hegel.
Hegel wrote such delightful Marxist anti-individual things as:
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'The state in and by itself is the ethical whole, the actualisation of freedom'
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'The march of God in the world, that is what the state is.'
http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/works/pr/prstate.htm
So what is the actual quote by Russell?
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Fichte laid it down that education should aim at de-, straying free will, so that, after pupils have left school, they shall be incapable, throughout the rest of their lives, of thinking or acting otherwise than as their schoolmasters would have wished.
But in his day this was an unattainable ideal.
What he regarded as the best system in existence produced Karl Marx.
In future such failures are not likely to occur where there is dictatorship.
Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible.
Even if all are miserable, all will believe themselves happy, because the government will tell them that they are so. (I.S.S.p50)
http://users.drew.edu/~jlenz/br-best-education.html
As far as I'm concerned, the quote in the movie is either poor research, ignorance or sophisticated disinfo on AJ's behalf. |
I am sorry, I have to disagree with you on this, lets break it down.
"Fichte laid it down that education should aim at de-, straying free will, so that, after pupils have left school, they shall be incapable, throughout the rest of their lives, of thinking or acting otherwise than as their schoolmasters would have wished.
But in his day this was an unattainable ideal."
Russell is clearly contrasting the policy of Fichte, concluding that such social engineering was not possible at the time.
He goes on to say that in the future these failures will not occur:
"In future such failures are not likely to occur where there is dictatorship".
In what can only be described as Prophetic vision, the reason why future dictatorships will succeed is sucessful social engineering:
| Quote: | Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible.
Even if all are miserable, all will believe themselves happy, because the government will tell them that they are so. |
Russell is clearly contrasting past attempts with what will occur in the future social engineering. It is a statment of future events on how social engineering will be acheived.
In similar prophetic writings he advocated open sex education and widespread access to contraception.
In 1922 he gave a lecture to the General Meeting of Dr. Marie Stopes's Society for Constructive Birth Control and Racial Progress on "Birth Control and International Relations," in which he described the importance of extending Western birth control worldwide; his remarks anticipated the population control movement of the 1960s and the role of the United Nations.
A member of nobility himself, Russell was no doubt privy to the elitist agenda & his writtings attest to an advanced understanding of the shape of things to come.
Like Huxley & H. G Wells, Russell used his writings to introduce these methods of social engineering in a form of predictive programming.
There should be no doubt that the works of Huxley & Wells were pushed as an agenda, there is little reason to suggest that the same is not true of Russell.
The promotion of these ideas & futrure ideas has a long history, for example Darwins work.
Later the Futurist society recruited many authors to promote "agendas" of the future.
| Quote: | | What disturbs me is that in the course of this 'general drift' important people (e.g. Russell) are blatantly misrepresented. |
Here's some other quotes from Russell....
| Quote: | | I believe that, owing to men's folly, a world-government will only be established by force, and therefore be at first cruel and despotic. But I believe that it is necessary for the preservation of a scientific civilization, and that, if once realized, it will gradually give rise to the other conditions of a tolerable existence. |
| Quote: | "Birth-control is a matter of great importance, particularly in relation to the possibility of a world-government, which could hardly be stable if some nations increased their population much more rapidly than others.......
If, however, a world-government is established, it may see the desirability of making subject races also less prolific, and may permit mankind to solve the population question. This is another reason for desiring a world-government." |
| Quote: | | If, however, a world-government is established, it may see the desirability of making subject races also less prolific, and may permit mankind to solve the population question. This is another reason for desiring a world-government. |
| Quote: | | Passing from quantity to quality of population, we come to the question of eugenics. We may perhaps assume that, if people grow less superstitious, government will acquire the right to sterilize those who are not considered desirable as parents. This power will be used, at first, to diminish imbecility, a most desirable object. But probably, in time, opposition to the government will be taken to prove imbecility, so that rebels of all kinds will be sterilized. Epileptics, consumptives, dipsomaniacs and so on will gradually be included; in the end, there will be a tendency to include all who fail to pass the usual school examinations. |
| Quote: | More sensational than tests of intelligence is the possibility of controlling the emotional life through the secretions of the ductless glands. It will be possible to make people choleric or timid, strongly or weakly sexed, and so on, as may be desired. Differences of emotional disposition seem to be chiefly due to secretions of the ductless glands, and therefore controllable by injections or by increasing or diminishing the secretions. Assuming an oligarchic organization of society, the State could give to the children of holders of power the disposition required for command, and to the children of the proletariat the disposition required for obedience. Against the injections of the State physicians the most eloquent Socialist oratory would be powerless. The only difficulty would be to combine this submissiveness with the necessary ferocity against external enemies; but I do not doubt that official science would be equal to the task.
It is not necessary, when we are considering political consequences, to pin our faith to the particular theories of the ductless glands, which may blow over, like other theories. All that is essential in our hypothesis is the belief that physiology will in time find ways of controlling emotion, which it is scarcely possible to doubt. When that day comes we shall have the emotions desired by our rulers, and the chief business of elementary education will be to produce the desired disposition, no longer by punishment or moral precept, but by the far surer method of injection or diet. |
| Quote: | | The only solid hope seems to lie in the possibility of world-wide domination by one group, say the United States, leading to the gradual formation of an orderly economic and political world-government. |
[b]All the above quotes from Icarus or the future of science -Bertrand Russell - 1924 - Link Below
Icarus or the future of science - Bertrand Russell 1924
| Quote: | "But bad times, you may say, are exceptional, and can be dealt with by exceptional methods. This has been more or less true during the honeymoon period of industrialism, but it will not remain true unless the increase of population can be enormously diminished. At present the population of the world is increasing at about 58,000 per diem. War, so far, has had no very great effect on this increase, which continued through each of the world wars. ... War ... has hitherto been disappointing in this respect ... but perhaps bacteriological war may prove more effective. If a Black Death could spread throughout the world once in every generation, survivors could procreate freely without making the world too full. ... The state of affairs might be somewhat unpleasant, but what of it? Really high-minded people are indifferent to happiness, especially other people's.
The impact of science on society 1951 |
| Quote: | "Socialism, especially international socialism, is only possible as a stable system if the population is stationary or nearly so. A slow increase might be coped with by improvements in agricultural methods, but a rapid increase must in the end reduce the whole population to penury, ... the white population of the world will soon cease to increase. The Asiatic races will be longer, and the negroes still longer, before their birth rate falls sufficiently to make their numbers stable without help of war and pestilence. ... Until that happens, the benefits aimed at by socialism can only be partially realized, and the less prolific races will have to defend themselves against the more prolific by methods which are disgusting even if they are necessary."
Russell Prospects of Industrial Civilization 1923
The impact of science on society 1951 |
| Quote: | | "I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is mass psychology.... Its importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda." |
| Quote: | | “Of these the most influential is what is called 'education.' Religion plays a part, though a diminishing one; the press, the cinema, and the radio play an increasing part.... " |
| Quote: | | “It may be hoped that in time anybody will be able to persuade anybody of anything if he can catch the patient young and is provided by the State with money and equipment." |
| Quote: | | "Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class." |
| Quote: | | “The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." |
| Quote: | | “When the technique has been perfected, every government that has been in charge of education for a generation will be able to control its subjects securely without the need of armies or policemen." |
All above quotes from Russell Impact of science on scoiety 1953.
| Quote: | “In like manner, the scientific rulers will provide one kind of education for ordinary men and women, and another for those who are to become holders of scientific power. Ordinary men and women will be expected to be docile, industrious, punctual, thoughtless, and contented. Of these qualities, probably contentment will be considered the most important. In order to produce it, all the researches of psycho-analysis, behaviourism, and biochemistry will be brought into play.... All the boys and girls will learn from an early age to be what is called 'co-operative,' i.e., to do exactly what everybody is doing. Initiative will be discouraged in these children, and insubordination, without being punished, will be scientifically trained out of them.”
“Except for the one matter of loyalty to the world State and to their own order,” Russell explained, “members of the governing class will be encouraged to be adventurous and full of initiative....”
“On those rare occasions, when a boy or girl who has passed the age at which it is usual to determine social status shows such marked ability as to seem the intellectual equal of the rulers, a difficult situation will arise, requiring serious consideration. If the youth is content to abandon his previous associates and to throw in his lot whole-heartedly with the rulers, he may, after suitable tests, be promoted, but if he shows any regrettable solidarity with his previous associates, the rulers will reluctantly conclude that there is nothing to be done with him except to send him to the lethal chamber before his ill-disciplined intelligence has had time to spread revolt. This will be a painful duty to the rulers, but I think they will not shrink from performing it.” - Russell The scientific outlook 1931 |
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This feels a bit like re-writing history, you know? |
History is re-written all the time....by the "Controllers" of our society...
When was the last time mainstream history told you these facts?
1) IBM provided the "Computer" to process the concentration camp victims
2) The USA had a eugenics/sterilisation program
3)British & US banks funded both sides of the world wars
We could go on....
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A view on Endgame by 8bitagent from California:
Wow.
Truly one of the most shocking, revealing, and exhaustively crafted powerful documentaries Ive ever seen,
EndGame: Blueprint for Global Enslavement.
There's a reason, even if you think Alex Jones is a buffoon, that ya should check it out.
I'm really hoping it gets spread far and wide because its the issues it brings up that are the absolute most important right now. This is light years beyond anything he's done production/thematic/style wise. But this is truly a brave documentary...
Why is this film so shocking? It doesnt mention 9/11. Or "Illuminati", or any of that stuff.
What it's all about, is exposing the eugenics, genocide, and globalization agenda throughout the centuries in detail.
While I have been aware of most of the stuff covered, it's just shellshocking
to see it all presented:
Massive unthinkable horrors perpetrated by China against millions of innocents, as Rockefeller, Kissinger and the UN praise their efforts.
The horror of innocent religious and political activists having their eyes, lungs, and organs ripped from their shackled bodies in mobile transplant vans for rich elite medical recipients. Massive forced abortion programs
The pure evil of Eugenics: skull measuring, forced sterilization programs,
racial geaneology, forced extermination, camolflaging racial extermination beliefs through legitimate scientific/anthropological institutions, forced sterilization and ethnic cleaning of Native Americans, crippled people, blacks, etc.
Bioweapon experiments against countless unwitting populations through staged bio-bomb attacks, posion vaccines, radiation experiments,
forced diseases, lab made diseases(of which I do feel certain AIDS is one), government toxic nerve gas dumping in the rivers and oceans, etc
US backed, funded and helped genocide and bloody coups to prop up dictators in Latin America, Asia, etc
Global elite control of African genocidal dictators, genocide itself, etc
all through political and corporate means for Western agenda
Elite royal families and bankers funding all sides of war, and manipulating wars like WW1 and WW2 into being; all to push further toward a global government.
Enviromental/convservation groups as nothing more than corrupt fronts for land grabbing
The real issue of global warming being HIJACKED by the elite to impose developing 3rd world nation crippling carbon taxes. As the elite chokehold progress into alternative fuel, they are playing a game of oil worship but then bad cop/good cop by telling you we need emissions and CO2 tax.
The selling off of American roads, arteries and systems to foreign companies(some of which like Dubai who Bush wanted to sell our ports to, are total al Qaeda financiers)
High tech biometric control and tracking devices(facial scanning cameras everywhere, RFID chip implants/required cards, thumb scanning, transhumanism implants, wetware interface, chimera human-animal and cross animal hybrids, borg assimilation thru total information awareness/DARPA/digital angel, etc
The formation of the North American Union, African Union, Asian Union, European Union and others to form a true one world government
Total involvement of IBM, Bayer, Bush and Rockefeller banking, Standard Oil, Ford, GM, etc in the holocaust and Nazi Germany
It goes into so much, it's truly just mindblowing.
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Blackbear......I think I will watch it soon...l
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Great post elohim, thanks for the sources.
To be honest I had no doubt whatsoever that Russell's world view would have elitist undercurrents.
Elitism and lack of compassion toward 'the mindless masses' is a trap in which intellectuals fall into far too easily.
There are not many Ghandis around, sadly.
Most of these ultra-bright guys disappear up their own arses and don't really grasp romanticism:
'Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankind; And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.'
(John Donne)
As far as AJ's film is concerned, the issue is about precision and not misquoting people.
I think it's very well worth being ruthlessly precise in these efforts.
Even if Russell flirted with globalist totalitarian views, in that specific quote he is clearly not endorsing dictatorship, but rather stating its perceived ills in relation to Fichte's views.
Another quote that is taken out of context is the JFK quote about 'secret societies' in the beginning of the film.
This is a flaw also in 'Zeitgeist'.
JFK in reality refers to the role of the Soviet Union during the cold war.
The full text of the speech & a related discussion can be found here:
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http://goldismoney.info/forums/showpost.php?p=800068&postcount=12
You're not going on about the Red Cross again?
It is well known the Red Cross have long worked to trace those killed by the Nazis (or those that survived) by looking at the records. It is also well known the Nazis did not record those exterminated in their death books. It is also the case that document is seriously out of date, in case you're interested: the figures have gone up after the release of more records in 1989.
http://www.redcross.org/services/intl/holotrace/index.html
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Not really. Not unless you believe the same thing is not on the agenda again. That it's a repetitive scenario rather than a historic falsehood
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Watch this space 
| Quote: | Cameron warns on population growth
Conservative leader David Cameron is set to call for the development of a coherent strategy to cope with the pressures of Britain's rapidly growing population.
He will issue a stark warning that high levels of immigration and the growth in the number of households as more people choose to live alone will threaten the ability of a future Tory government to deliver on its political and social goals.
In a speech to the Policy Exchange think tank in London, he will say it is essential to develop policies to curb net immigration while reducing the rate of household formation.
His intervention follows the latest projections from the Office for National Statistics which forecast that Britain's population - currently just over 60 million - will hit 71 million by 2031.
"These demographic changes, and the pressure they will cause, will make it more difficult for a Conservative government to deliver its vision of opportunity, responsibility and security," he will say.
"We must recognise that in an advanced, open economy there will be high levels of emigration and immigration. But what matters is the net figure, which I believe is currently too high.
"We need to bring together policy on issues from housing to skills; planning to immigration control; the family to border control into a coherent long-term population strategy."
Mr Cameron will say that, over the coming months, the Tories will set out a range of policies to reduce the UK's reliance on immigrant labour by improving the skills base in Britain.
At the same time, he will say, the party will address the problems of family breakdown, which is causing increasing numbers of people to live alone, driving up the demand for housing.
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There is no doubt of Bertrand Russels personal views being typicly elitist/fabian socialist.
Oh but I though he was a cuddly nuclear dissarmament activist and isn't fabian socialism cuddly anyway? No it's not.
The thing is with these psycopaths like Russel and Huxley is that they always put weak disclaimers after some horrendous statement, to retain respectibility and passify the reader i guess.
Russel writes entire books on the workings of Scientific dictatorships and then slips in, 'this is what we hope doesn't happen'
Huxley gives entire lectures on the topic of mass mind control while pretending he is against it.
Both of them are nailed on NWO propagandists.
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| Acrobat74 wrote: | | Another quote that is taken out of context is the JFK quote about 'secret societies' in the beginning of the film. |
It is clear that JFK's speech was warning of the dangers facing America not from the well perceived threat from the Soviets but from the exploitation of that fear by others. Why do you think he chose this as the title of his speech?
| Quote: | | I have selected as the title of my remarks tonight "The President and the Press." Some may suggest that this would be more naturally worded "The President Versus the Press. |
The dangers to America's open society from those who would exploit such a threat has come home to roost with a vengeance post 9/11. It is no coincidence that after the removal of the Soviet threat something HAD to be replace it so that the monsters JFK was warning about could usurp power. The Patriot Act and all other repressive measures taken by the Bush administration to install a Fascist regime were precisely what JFK was warning about. They have done so by the stealth that the President warned us of. They rigged elections to steal power. By controlling the media they can peddle lies to send the country to war. By murderous deceit, particularly 9/11, they have galvanised the country against innocent Muslim countries. "They" have been around for generations and have been waiting for the opportunity to strike. Kennedy knew about them and if you read his speech it is "them" that he is warning us about NOT the Soviets! He tried to act against them and so they murdered him. If the context of his speech can be so easily glossed over by the disinformation that it is about the Soviets then we may as well pack in now and accept our fate. It is not the Soviets who are doing the evil in the USA today. It is the people JFK was talking about and you can call them the Illuminati or the Christian Zealots or the Neo Cons or the Zionists or any amalgamation of them or anyone else but that a bunch of evil people have seized control is without doubt and HE WAS SAYING "BEWARE - THEY ARE COMING!!!"
| Quote: | | there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. |
Is that really addressed at the Soviets??? Who do you think "they" were/are?
| Quote: | | Those who make themselves our enemy are advancing around the globe. The survival of our friends is in danger. And yet no war has been declared, no borders have been crossed by marching troops, no missiles have been fired. |
The Soviets fired no missiles or crossed any borders? They used no marching troops to quell the Hungarian uprising or to occupy a number of European countries? Just how is he talking about the Soviets???
| Quote: | | I am not asking your newspapers to support the Administration, but I am asking your help in the tremendous task of informing and alerting the American people. For I have complete confidence in the response and dedication of our citizens whenever they are fully informed. |
Informed of what? Alerting them to what? That Russia was an enemy? I think they knew that already. |
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Yes we have had this debate and yes I disagree with you. Yes I have read the entire speech which is why I have quoted so much of it. He clearly is NOT referring to the Soviets and why do you not address any of my points when you reply? To say that his speech was about the Soviets has as much validity as saying the 9/11 truth movement is about Muslim terrorists. I would urge YOU to read it but it is obvious you intend to mislead so there is no point. I am satisfied that anyone who has an open mind who hears the speech or reads the transcript will deduce that he CLEARLY is addressing the problem of an enemy WITHIN!!! Did you seriously think that because tMcmistress introduced herself with an ad hominem snotty retort in support of Dogsmilk's typical pro Zionist post that I would change my opinion of JFK's OBVIOUS warning of what has subsequently occurred, or that you had won the debate??!! I just got bored of the tedious disinfo and shilling going on. JFK died because he challenged those who have now achieved power within the USA. You insult his attempts to warn us of the danger by trying to falsely claim he was talking of a known and obvious enemy. It doesn't wash anymore than the oficial account of 9/11. |
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Yes we have had this debate and yes I disagree with you. Yes I have read the entire speech which is why I have quoted so much of it. He clearly is NOT referring to the Soviets and why do you not address any of my points when you reply? To say that his speech was about the Soviets has as much validity as saying the 9/11 truth movement is about Muslim terrorists. I would urge YOU to read it but it is obvious you intend to mislead so there is no point. I am satisfied that anyone who has an open mind who hears the speech or reads the transcript will deduce that he CLEARLY is addressing the problem of an enemy WITHIN!!! Did you seriously think that because tMcmistress introduced herself with an ad hominem snotty retort in support of Dogsmilk's typical pro Zionist post that I would change my opinion of JFK's OBVIOUS warning of what has subsequently occurred, or that you had won the debate??!! I just got bored of the tedious disinfo and shilling going on. JFK died because he challenged those who have now achieved power within the USA. You insult his attempts to warn us of the danger by trying to falsely claim he was talking of a known and obvious enemy. It doesn't wash anymore than the oficial account of 9/11. |
Ah yes. I remember.
Apparently, because I also think he is quite clearly talking about the cold war I am, as it were, shilling for Zion because you previously decided the speech is actually about Zionism (which it turns out is a secret society) - so saying it's about the cold war is pro-Zionist because you decided it's a dire warning about Zionism. I was, in fact, shilling for Zion even though I had no idea you thought it was about Zionism - mostly due to there being zero evidence to suggest it is.
Tell me - what made him change his mind so quickly?
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=74217.
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| Quote: | | Apparently, because I also think he is quite clearly talking about the cold war I am, as it were, shilling for Zion |
Apparently you do think he is talking about the cold war. Apparently you always will. Apparently it does not matter what he actually said you will be determined it has nothing to do with your Zionist pals. Apparently it does not matter that the elephant in the room is always overlooked by you it will never actually be there because it is the Soviets or the " Mooooooooos" (your favourite I believe!) whatdunit. Apparently if you just keep saying "Joooooooos" often enough we can just blame the Muslims for everything. The elephant in the room nonetheless just keeps on nonsense on us and you keep on saying it is perfume. The idea that I suggested that "Zionism" is a secret society | Quote: | | Zionism (which it turns out is a secret society) |
rather than their methods are devious and secret is a perfect example of your sophistry and specious drivel. You also totally avoid, just like Acrobat74, from addressing any of the many points I made showing Kennedy was NOT talking about the Soviets. The reason why 9/11 Truth movements exist is because people ignored what JFK was saying. Your posts attempt to deny Kennedy had any relevance to today's circumstances and I am happy therefore to call you a shill and an apologist for odious Zionism.
I will try again.
| Quote: | | there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. |
Is that really addressed at the Soviets??? Who do you think "they" were/are?
| Quote: | | Those who make themselves our enemy are advancing around the globe. The survival of our friends is in danger. And yet no war has been declared, no borders have been crossed by marching troops, no missiles have been fired. |
The Soviets fired no missiles or crossed any borders? They used no marching troops to quell the Hungarian uprising or to occupy a number of European countries? Just how is he talking about the Soviets???
| Quote: | | I am not asking your newspapers to support the Administration, but I am asking your help in the tremendous task of informing and alerting the American people. For I have complete confidence in the response and dedication of our citizens whenever they are fully informed. |
Informed of what? Alerting them to what? That Russia was an enemy? I think they knew that already.
| Dogsmilk wrote: | | Tell me - what made him change his mind so quickly? |
Quickly? Wasn't it some time earlier that he made that speech, and how does a support for the right of the state of Israel to exist contradict a worry that Zionists within America are a fifth column? He probably thought that the UK had a right to defend itself but had no right to dictate USA domestic or foriegn policy. Really * tedious to have to respond to this *! |
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| Quote: | Apparently you do think he is talking about the cold war. Apparently you always will. Apparently it does not matter what he actually said you will be determined it has nothing to do with your Zionist pals. Apparently it does not matter that the elephant in the room is always overlooked by you it will never actually be there because it is the Soviets or the " Mooooooooos" (your favourite I believe!) whatdunit. Apparently if you just keep saying "Joooooooos" often enough we can just blame the Muslims for everything. The elephant in the room nonetheless just keeps on nonsense on us and you keep on saying it is perfume. The idea that I suggested that "Zionism" is a secret society
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You are assuming that because you think it is about Zionism and I do not that therefore means I am deliberately backing a 'Zionist fifth column'. Surely you can see this is totally illogical.
I don't say "joooos" very often and recently not at all, so I'm not doing a good job. I assume, however, it is ok to blame the "Zionists" for everything up to and including the poor state of contemporary pop music.
I don't recall ever blaming 'the muslims' for anything. Can you find an example of me doing so?
You are blustering. If I was the sort of person to use grave insults lightly, I would be tempted to say you are killtowning. But that is too below the belt.
| Quote: | rather than their methods are devious and secret is a perfect example of your sophistry and specious drivel. You also totally avoid, just like Acrobat74, from addressing any of the many points I made showing Kennedy was NOT talking about the Soviets. The reason why 9/11 Truth movements exist is because people ignored what JFK was saying. Your posts attempt to deny Kennedy had any relevance to today's circumstances and I am happy therefore to call you a shill and an apologist for odious Zionism.
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This presumably is a reference to 'the Zionists' being responsible for 911, a belief I don't share. And I would regard the idea Kennedy was bumped of by Zionists for being anti-Zionist as absolute poppycock.
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there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment.
Is that really addressed at the Soviets??? Who do you think "they" were/are?
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It is a general reference to the dangers inherent in restricting freedom in the name of security which is liable to be abused.
| Quote: | Those who make themselves our enemy are advancing around the globe. The survival of our friends is in danger. And yet no war has been declared, no borders have been crossed by marching troops, no missiles have been fired.
The Soviets fired no missiles or crossed any borders? They used no marching troops to quell the Hungarian uprising or to occupy a number of European countries? Just how is he talking about the Soviets???
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Hungary was a puppet state which fell under the Soviet bloc. It was already 'theirs'. The Soviet Union had not occupied any more European countries since the post war land grab. At that time, America (apparently) believed it faced a grave and imminent threat to itself and its allies though no actual open conflict between the players on both sides had erupted. I suppose you might call it a 'cold war'.
| Quote: | I am not asking your newspapers to support the Administration, but I am asking your help in the tremendous task of informing and alerting the American people. For I have complete confidence in the response and dedication of our citizens whenever they are fully informed.
Informed of what? Alerting them to what? That Russia was an enemy? I think they knew that already.
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Yeah - all those years of paranoia about the insidious menace of communism - why would any prez feel the need to get the papers behind him on tackling the all pervasive red menace? Politicians will be going on about how the public need to understand the grave seriousnous of the 'terror threat' next!
| Quote: | Tell me - what made him change his mind so quickly?
Quickly? Wasn't it some time earlier that he made that speech, and how does a support for the right of the state of Israel to exist contradict a worry that Zionists within America are a fifth column? He probably thought that the UK had a right to defend itself but had no right to dictate USA domestic or foriegn policy. Really * tedious to have to respond to this *!
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August 1960 to April 1961 isn't a very long time.
He does more than support Israel's right to exist. He is positively on a charm offensive. Not that I'd assume he totally means what he says - charming interest groups was in his job description. But I'd be rather curious as to why a man who believed the Zionists were a fifth column (and was up for telling the whole nation about it) would a few months earlier be schmoozing the Zionists of America Convention. It's not like he went and did praising speeches for the American communist party is it? Your 'probably thought' is just what you need to make him be thinking to make your assertion fit.
Personally I find it rather curious that a president would be concerned enough to address the nation about your 'fifth column' without saying "oh by the way - I mean the Zionists, ok" or, indeed, have neglected to go round talking about the Zionist threat generally, preferring to talk about the communist threat regularly instead.
This whole excitement about this speech arises simply because the words "secret societies" appear. If they didn't, it would be just another cold war speech. AFAIk, Alex Jones has never suggested he meant Zionists. Is he a Zionist shill?
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| Dogsmilk wrote: | I assume, however, it is ok to blame the "Zionists" for everything up to and including the poor state of contemporary pop music.
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I'm sure Liam Gallagher will confirm this. 
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| Quote: | | Anyone got a link to the full transcript of the JFK speech please? |
Newspeak, see link above.
To his credit, the maker of Zeitgeist has acknowledged that JFK's comments are taken out of context in that film:
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/clarifications.htm
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These extracts from the JFK speech entitled "The President and the Press" from April 27, 1961,
are used as a dramatized introduction to Part 3, and are not exactly in context with the original intent
of JFK's speech. Though President Kennedy does indeed address the peril of secrecy, denouncing
"secret societies", "secret oaths" and "secret proceedings" in his statements, the latter section is
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| dh wrote: | I know many people who doubt their opening up, doubt many leading figures. The incoming vibrancy is difficult to determine what's natural and what's manipulated. But anyway, has anyone seen the latest AJ?
Alex appears to have moderated his voice for a softer approach
I'm sure it will be free to all over the internet within 48 hours.
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end game in 13 parts for dial up
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