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| dontbelievethehype1970 wrote: | Without wishing to pss on anybodys bonfire, "muad-dib" asking for £100 cash donation for some legal rights pamphlet from the makers of this documentary is a bit rich.
http://jforjustice.co.uk/
That said, gr8 footage of Peter Power in the training exercise a year beforehand. |
It wasn't a "training exercise," it was a speculative television programme.
| Quote: | | I mean the chances of him running a training exercise at the same tube stations on the day of the bombing must be astronomic. |
It's been proved that Power's statement of "the exact same" stations is not quite true, not least because his hypothetical scenario apparently includes Kings Cross mainline station, i.e. not the Underground.
| Quote: | | The chances of him also being involved in a government planned exercise a year before hand must be multi dimensional. |
Firstly it wasn't "government planned" and secondly, his company does this sort of training. Couching your statement in those terms makes about as much sense as asking what the chances of a football team playing an actual game are, because that what they're supposed to do!.
| Quote: | Peter Power - a man you can rely on to be in all the right places:
Peter was running a Security drill enacting a response to a terrorist bomb at the exact same tube stations on 7/7 2005. |
Go to Visor's website. Read about what they actually do. Look at the list of clients they openly publicise, which is no doubt the tip of an iceberg, as given they're published tariff of prices they'd need a lot more to be viable. The bottom line is that we would expect Visor to be doing something like it every week of the year, and they are only one company out of many in London alone doing that type of training, and no doubt some of them were also doing something that day, we just haven't heard about it. Statistically speaking, Visor's activities are far less improbable than people here think, because they're not looking at the wider picture.
| Quote: | Peter was part of the offical emergency Police response to the Kings Cross fire in 1987.
Peter was trapped in a tube train during a serious fire at Oxford Circus Tube in 1984. |
Only the latter can be framed as "coincidental" since the former - along with all the major incidents he attended were in his professional capacity as a senior police officer. To continue with the footballing metaphor, it would be like people expressing surprise that David Beckham has played in so many football matches. If you're a footballer, you're expected to play matches; if you're a senior police officer, you're expected to be involved in major incidents. |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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| kbo234 wrote: | | Nick Cooper and Staraker sound like exactly the same person. |
Well, duh! |
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| rodin wrote: | | Staraker wrote: | | rodin wrote: | | Why would a poster have star in their name? |
Because back in 1986, when I and a friend decided to do a Dr Who fanzine, but also planned to do some other related fan publications, we chose the overall name of "Staraker Publishing" to cover everything, "lifting" it from the name of a spaceship that had appeared in a Star Wars comic a few years previously. The fanzine ran for almost nine years and the name was used throughout that time. When it can to registering here, it seemed as good a nickname as any. That's all it is. Nothing "meaningful" (except to me personally), no "hidden message", no tortuous anagram. Although it has been amusing seeing some people's paranoid speculations on the matter.
So why do you call yourself "Rodin"? |
If you must know it is because I used Rodin's 'Thinker' reversed as the logo for my Contrarian Thinker website. |
If I "must know"? Oh, I like that. You speculate on my nickname, but get tetchy when asked about your own. Anyway, I've had enough of that. You can all have my real one and do what you want with it, although I won't be surprised when somebody declares all the online evidence of my existance to be a remarkable piece of work on the part of MI5's techies....
| Quote: | | It was not for a bank. Whoever Visor were working for, they had to RESPOND TO THE EVENT. |
They - like scores of other central-London organisations that day - had to respond to the effects of the events. If you have offices in the vicinity of a major incident, it can have a major effect on your operations. Do you evacuate? If so, do you evacuate everybody, not even leaving a skeleton staff? Does it affect the running of your IT services? Do you have an arrangement to reroute your telecoms?
| Quote: | | No simulation in a room somewhere would do that. It had to be connected to the ground, or in this case the Underground. Run by ex CIA and protected by ex Mossad. |
It wouldn't have to, because there is zero evidence that it was what you would like to think it was. Everything we know about what Visor actually does supports the idea that it was what Power later clarified it to be.
| Quote: | | What are the odds of NO CCTV evidence? |
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Look how much "suddenly appeared" at the JCdM trial. |
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But the reluctance to disclose CCTV footage does beg the question why the authorities are withholding this evidence along with a whole heep of other evidence, why do they refuse a public inquiry and so forth if they have nothing to hide.
And whilst the supposed lack of CCTV footage from the bus proves nothing it is a strange coincidence that when placed alongside other evidence that implicates the UK authorities does invite the possibility that the camera was deliberately nobled or the footage withheld.
The plain facts are that the official narrative fails to answer many legitimate questions raised by camapigners for a new inquiry, invites a whole host of new questions and does not prove the government's position. The way to get to the bottom of this is to force the authorities to release the evidence and hold a truly independent inquiry (which if it is held under the inquiries act 2005 it will not be)
Nick do you support the call to release the evidence and hold an independent inquiry? If not, why not? |
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| ian neal wrote: | | Nick do you support the call to release the evidence and hold an independent inquiry? |
I "always" have, although I pragmatically recognise that it's not going to happen - if at all - until after the inquests. |
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| kbo234 wrote: | | I think that's a "no", Ian. |
No, that's a, "unlike you, I have better things to do with my time than frequenting this forum 24/7." |
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It wasn't a "training exercise," it was a speculative television programme.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/3686201.stm
"This film is a mock exercise of what might happen in London if there was a terror attack now."
True, not an offical Government Traing Exercise. But it did involve:
ANNE GALLOP Deputy Chair London Fire & Emergency Planning Authority, Member Local Government Association Fire Executive, Representative on London Fire & Civil Defence Authority 1997-2000
Councillor London borough, Sutton 1995-present
DAVID GILBERTSON Former Commander Metropolitan Police, Commander Metropolitan Police 1995-2001
CRISPIN BLACK Former intelligence officer, Intelligence Assessment Staff 1999–2002, Major British Army 1996-1999
MICHAEL PORTILLO Former Secretary of State for Defence, Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer 2000-2001, Secretary of State for Defence 1995-1997 PETER POWER Crisis management specialist & government adviser, Visor consulting 1995- present, Director BET Group Security 1992-1994, Senior Officer Metropolitan Police 1971-1992
LANCE PRICE Former Deputy Director of Communications 10 Downing Street, Director Communications. Labour Party 2000-2001, Special Advisor to Prime Minister 1998-2000
BBC Political Correspondent 1989-1998
| Nick Cooper wrote: | | The bottom line is that we would expect Visor to be doing something like it every week of the year, and they are only one company out of many in London alone doing that type of training, and no doubt some of them were also doing something that day, we just haven't heard about it |
I am not convinced. Even if you are running training exercises on a regular basis, it is highly unusual to prepare for a situation envisaging the same scenario as "simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning."[Peter Power].
The situation struck Peter Power as being unusual, as is borne out by his statements across the media on that day.
"so I still have the hairs on the back of my neck standing upright!" is a statement that he used widely.
He also says on Canadian Media " It's a coincidence, and it's a spooky coincidence".
If he did this sort of thing every day, he might have said so.
The closest he gets todismissing it is to say: "So it wasn't exactly rocket science or totally out of the pale to come up with that scenario unusual though it be"
| Peter Power wrote: | | It's a coincidence, and it's a spooky coincidence. Our scenario was very similar - it wasn't totally identical, but it was based on bombs going off, to the time, the locations, all this sort of stuff. But it wasn't an accident, in the sense that London has a history of bombs, and the reason why our emergency services did so well, and prepared probably better than any other city in the world, sadly they have to be. So it wasn't exactly rocket science or totally out of the pale to come up with that scenario unusual though it be to stop the exercise and go into real time, and it worked very well, although there was a few seconds when the audience didn't realise whether it was real or not |
These quotes and more info on Peter Power here: http://julyseventh.co.uk/july-7-terror-rehearsal.html
However, it is possible that there is a very mundane explanation - we are not priviledge to all the facts-the above is my opinion, not asserted as fact
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| dontbelievethehype1970 wrote: |
However, it is possible that there is a very mundane explanation - |
possible but very, very, very unlikely. |
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| kbo234 wrote: | | Nick Cooper wrote: | | kbo234 wrote: | | I think that's a "no", Ian. |
No, that's a, "unlike you, I have better things to do with my time than frequenting this forum 24/7." |
I don't think you do, old chap/chapess. Every time I come back to it you've made a couple of posts. |
First you make reference to me not posting, now you imply I post all the time. Maybe you should come back when you've actually worked out what you think. |
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| dontbelievethehype1970 wrote: | | Nick Cooper wrote: |
It wasn't a "training exercise," it was a speculative television programme.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/3686201.stm
"This film is a mock exercise of what might happen in London if there was a terror attack now."
True, not an offical Government Traing Exercise. But it did involve:
ANNE GALLOP Deputy Chair London Fire & Emergency Planning Authority, Member Local Government Association Fire Executive, Representative on London Fire & Civil Defence Authority 1997-2000
Councillor London borough, Sutton 1995-present
DAVID GILBERTSON Former Commander Metropolitan Police, Commander Metropolitan Police 1995-2001
CRISPIN BLACK Former intelligence officer, Intelligence Assessment Staff 1999–2002, Major British Army 1996-1999
MICHAEL PORTILLO Former Secretary of State for Defence, Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer 2000-2001, Secretary of State for Defence 1995-1997 PETER POWER Crisis management specialist & government adviser, Visor consulting 1995- present, Director BET Group Security 1992-1994, Senior Officer Metropolitan Police 1971-1992
LANCE PRICE Former Deputy Director of Communications 10 Downing Street, Director Communications. Labour Party 2000-2001, Special Advisor to Prime Minister 1998-2000
BBC Political Correspondent 1989-1998 |
That's a lot of "formers".
| Quote: | | Nick Cooper wrote: | | The bottom line is that we would expect Visor to be doing something like it every week of the year, and they are only one company out of many in London alone doing that type of training, and no doubt some of them were also doing something that day, we just haven't heard about it |
I am not convinced. Even if you are running training exercises on a regular basis, it is highly unusual to prepare for a situation envisaging the same scenario as "simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning."[Peter Power]. |
Then I can only assume that you don't want to be convinced. Visor are not the only company in London who do this sort of training. Don't you think that if they - and all the others - offered and regularly did something as complex as the fantasists believe they were doing on 7/7 that people would notice?
| Quote: | The situation struck Peter Power as being unusual, as is borne out by his statements across the media on that day.
"so I still have the hairs on the back of my neck standing upright!" is a statement that he used widely.
He also says on Canadian Media " It's a coincidence, and it's a spooky coincidence".
If he did this sort of thing every day, he might have said so.
The closest he gets todismissing it is to say: "So it wasn't exactly rocket science or totally out of the pale to come up with that scenario unusual though it be" |
Actually he told the Manchester Evening News: "It's a standard exercise and briefing that we carry out." There are also similarities with teh scenario used in the Panorama programme. One doesn't have to be over-cynical to make the observation that consultants are apt to recycle the same piece of work for other clients, with a few appropriate tweaks to make it seem like it was something thought up especially for each one. Money for old rope.
| Quote: | | Peter Power wrote: | | It's a coincidence, and it's a spooky coincidence. Our scenario was very similar - it wasn't totally identical, but it was based on bombs going off, to the time, the locations, all this sort of stuff. But it wasn't an accident, in the sense that London has a history of bombs, and the reason why our emergency services did so well, and prepared probably better than any other city in the world, sadly they have to be. So it wasn't exactly rocket science or totally out of the pale to come up with that scenario unusual though it be to stop the exercise and go into real time, and it worked very well, although there was a few seconds when the audience didn't realise whether it was real or not |
These quotes and more info on Peter Power here: http://julyseventh.co.uk/july-7-terror-rehearsal.html
However, it is possible that there is a very mundane explanation - we are not priviledge to all the facts-the above is my opinion, not asserted as fact |
Mundane, because the reality is that these sort of things go on all the time, but most people haven't a clue - in the same way that most people haven't got a clue about the complexities of other people's jobs - and so are surprised when they hear about it. |
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Are you aware of any other gatherings taking place on 7.7?
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| Good idea kbo234. |
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I'm very glad to be able to tell you that the "7/7 Ripple Effect" film is being
positively received almost everywhere
I am currently searching out the addresses of the 56 bereaved families, so that
I can send DVD copies to them and have already managed to email quite a few of
their work-places, to inform their workmates and friends about the film and
where they can watch it online. I would like to be able to afford to send DVD
copies to them as a follow-up.
After that is completed and I have sent copies to the bereaved families, I
intend to start work on finding the hundreds of injured survivors' addresses, to
send copies to them, to hopefully gain their support and generate a movement
against the government that perpetrated these attrocities and bring them to
justice.
If you and your contacts can help me to find their names and addresses, perhaps
via London hospitals casualty departments where any Muslim doctors and nurses,
or believers of any Faith have access to the names and addresses, and are
willing to help us, that would be most helpful.
If your helpers could arrange that and even help send copies to them, to help
me, that would be very good.
Those people that were hurt and have been lied to and deceived should be the
first people, when they are told the truth, to want to help get justice for
themselves and others. We need to use that to help build the tidal-wave to sweep
away the corruption in government that is ruining the country and bring the
perpetraitors to justice.
Can you please help to organise that, or give me the contacts you have in
London, so that I can liaise with them myself? |
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| paul wright wrote: | From Muad
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I'm very glad to be able to tell you that the "7/7 Ripple Effect" film is being
positively received almost everywhere
I am currently searching out the addresses of the 56 bereaved families, so that
I can send DVD copies to them and have already managed to email quite a few of
their work-places, to inform their workmates and friends about the film and
where they can watch it online. I would like to be able to afford to send DVD
copies to them as a follow-up.
After that is completed and I have sent copies to the bereaved families, I
intend to start work on finding the hundreds of injured survivors' addresses, to
send copies to them, to hopefully gain their support and generate a movement
against the government that perpetrated these attrocities and bring them to
justice.
If you and your contacts can help me to find their names and addresses, perhaps
via London hospitals casualty departments where any Muslim doctors and nurses,
or believers of any Faith have access to the names and addresses, and are
willing to help us, that would be most helpful.
If your helpers could arrange that and even help send copies to them, to help
me, that would be very good.
Those people that were hurt and have been lied to and deceived should be the
first people, when they are told the truth, to want to help get justice for
themselves and others. We need to use that to help build the tidal-wave to sweep
away the corruption in government that is ruining the country and bring the
perpetraitors to justice.
Can you please help to organise that, or give me the contacts you have in
London, so that I can liaise with them myself? |
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Stay well clear of this guy.
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Stay well clear WHY?
he is doing a good job and the 7/7 movie is the only and therefore best 7/7 documentary out there
the fact that he is sending the dvds to all the victims and survivors is the best way to bring them on board the campaign
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| karlos wrote: | Stay well clear WHY?
he is doing a good job and the 7/7 movie is the only and therefore best 7/7 documentary out there
the fact that he is sending the dvds to all the victims and survivors is the best way to bring them on board the campaign
i agree with him |
| Quote: | | If you and your contacts can help me to find their names and addresses, perhaps via London hospitals casualty departments where any Muslim doctors and nurses, or believers of any Faith have access to the names and addresses, and are willing to help us, that would be most helpful. |
Help, help, help.
Quite how sending the DVD to the bereaved and the survivors will "help build the tidal-wave" I do not know.
As for asking us to get Muslims in the NHS into trouble for breaching patient confidentiality/data protection, I could get a little suspicious about that.
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ok maybe he should not ask muslim doctors to get themselves into trouble
but between the various researchers there must exist a large number of addresses for victims and survivors
as astro's conversations with victims families proves they are not buying the official story
and the wider the audience for 7/7 Ripple effect the more people will wake up to the truth |
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| Quote: | | Quite how sending the DVD to the bereaved and the survivors will "help build the tidal-wave" I do not know. |
There is only one conclusion to be drawn from a comment like this.
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I agree, this guy is genuine, however not everyone understands data protection, patient confidentiality issues including the guy who made this film 'Muad'. So no one in the NHS will 'give out addresses'of victims etc.
All in all it's a good film, alongside Ludicrous Diversion and Mind the Gap all of which are 7/7 related. There's no doubt in my mind that 7/7 was an inside job. |
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You misunderstand. Unlike numeral I think it is a gr8 idea. fvck copyright.
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| paul wright wrote: | It's pretty simple , isn't it? I think Muad's got it right.
Peter Power needs public questioning as to what he said
I know he wont get it under the present operation. He's purely an expert pundit to pull out under any supposed threat.
But really a witness after the fact, and potentially an aid and abetter
How do you do it?
Spread the word - it's all that can be done. People have to wake up if our end is serious |
You have to remember without Power we would not be aware of the exercise. He was a whistleblower, now under intense pressure. He can go no further if close family are to live. Ruthless they are. Clever he was. He is more use to them alive than dead. He gave us the ball. We should be running with it.
Another possibilty is like Thatcher he has an unexploded bomb in the vault to be released on his demise
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| numeral wrote: | Help, help, help.
Quite how sending the DVD to the bereaved and the survivors will "help build the tidal-wave" I do not know.
As for asking us to get Muslims in the NHS into trouble for breaching patient confidentiality/data protection, I could get a little suspicious about that. |
Translation
Help Help Help! If the victims and family of 7/7 find out they were maimed/killed by some kind of inside job there might be all hell to pay. This must not happen!!!!!
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Not followed all the threads but in the video it would seem highly unlikely that the 4 muslim "patsies" and the eldest would make a video about a terrorist attack to aid in the "mock drills" and not tell other people about it. I sure know if I was asked to take part in something like a"mock terror drill" I would be telling all my friends about it, yet none of the supposed terrorists friends or people who knew them have come forward and spilled the beans about it only being a mock drill.
Any reports from friends and family as to why the 4 guys were going to London that day? I would have thought that at least one of them would have mentioned to a friend or family member that they were going to london for business pleasure etc. But why ruck sacks?
suggestion:
1) they were going to London for nefarious puposes hence keeping it secret from others
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| fish5133 wrote: | Not followed all the threads but in the video it would seem highly unlikely that the 4 muslim "patsies" and the eldest would make a video about a terrorist attack to aid in the "mock drills" and not tell other people about it. I sure know if I was asked to take part in something like a"mock terror drill" I would be telling all my friends about it, yet none of the supposed terrorists friends or people who knew them have come forward and spilled the beans about it only being a mock drill.
Any reports from friends and family as to why the 4 guys were going to London that day? I would have thought that at least one of them would have mentioned to a friend or family member that they were going to london for business pleasure etc. But why ruck sacks?
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I don't know about family members, but they would have been well drilled by the security services by now, so they probably don't know night from day.
How about:
The video was made months before the actual events of 7/7 for totally 'seemingly' unrelated purposes. Maybe even under the guise of unrelated terrorist training; or even it was said that the video was going to form part of the "BBC documentary" that was screened in 2004, but didn't make the final cut. Making the video was a test, would they make the video and keep quiet about it? Or would they tell everyone in Leeds that they had made a video for 'security services training'.
They didn't know any of the details of the mock terror drill, maybe they thought it was driving around Leeds for a couple of hours in a hire car. Or flying to Paris and back, but they knew it was an all expenses trip out for the day and they were being paid a £1000. The 'cops' were going to try and catch them as terrorists. It's likely that they had done this kind of thing before, smaller 'missions' so thought nothing of it.
They were going to play the part of the terrorist actors in the drill, what the drill was they didn't know until they were shot or blown up. They probably didn't even know they were going to London, or board tube trains, or anything else. Until that morning in Leeds when they were given details of the hire car which would contain instructions on where they were to go. They were convinced it was like a big game that they were being well paid to keep it a secret. Nothing nefarious was being suspected by these guys, again it was like playing 'Call of Duty II' but getting paid for it, or something similar. So guys didn't bother telling anyone because there was really nothing to tell. |
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