2012 whats your take??

[Thermate911]

[Thermate911]

As an addendum, I just came across this:-

[mr nice]

does any one have an opinion or any info on the nibiru theory?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlcPWa6SomE
This is new to me so ive been meaning to look into it once I get some time.

[marky 54]

[Thermate911]

How can we ever know what is really taking place? Niburu, Nephilim, Sirians et al. You might want to trawl through Laura Knight's Wave series, for one interpretation of all this.

Yet who is to say with any authority that this is not just another gigantic hoax to terrify the masses into submission?

How about this for a fanciful scenario:

The 'bad guys' are already here amongst us. 'They' are doing everything in their power to misdirect our attention towards eternal hardship, hatred, fear & strife (IOW, projecting their own fears upon us all). Bombardment by asteroids seems to be becoming the flavour du jour, so we have to zap them before they zap us, right? Maybe the 'good guys' are living in these 'asteroids'...

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Enough! The way forward lies within each of us living now. Follow your heart and be steadfast in 'being the change you wish to see in the world'. Leave the lizards to the nightmare factories and ex-sports commentators?

[Lee]

[marky 54]

[marky 54]

[paul wright]

They're working hard with their chemtrails, HAARP, cell tower, GWEN and all the multiple rest, to shut the frequency uplift down
That's the essential meaning of all they do and the drive toward the subdermal microchip. They want to redensify us or eliminate usand return to feudalism.
That's why I constantly emphasise work on this level to counter their abominable workings

[Lee]

[marky 54]

[paul wright]

I repeat Lee
These folks are trying to change things
The natural happenstance as much as control and patenting of the DNA
It doesn't really matter much how the coordinates -um- coordinate
They are taking control
You can't leave it up to the heavens
The heavens is being taken over by Star Wars

[Lee]

[marky 54]

marky 54 wrote:

[marky 54]

its seems to me your argueing points i never questioned or even called into question, the only thing i said is the sun enters aquarius on or around 2012.

which you said:

[Lee]

[quote="marky 54"]marky 54 wrote:

[marky 54]

[marky 54]

[Lee]

Read up on astrology. The Sun, geocentrically, moves through the zodiac once a year. Although this is an illusion, that's how it appears to be.

By saying "the sun moves into Aquarius in 2012" you are clearly implying that you think the sun moves through the zodiac. I was simply pointing out this happens every year.

You were the one implying the Sun's movement.You didn't mention the precession.

Precession is different. What precession means is that the Sun,on the vernal equinox, will rise in the east (with slight variation) as it always has done but, on the supposed Age of Aquarius start date, the constellation Aquarius will be behind it. At the moment it's still Pisces and will not change over astrologically for many years.

You also seemed to think that Aquarius starts the cycle again when Aries begins the zodiac.

The reason why the Mayan date seems irrelevant is because the 13 Baktun cycle is only a fifth of the precessional cycle.

[marky 54]

[marky 54]

its not even as though im making up this information, so if you think its wrong please provide links why.

from the link below.........

evidence of the age of Additional evidence for the great age of the Sphinx may perhaps be indicated by the astronomical significance of its shape, being that of a lion. Roughly every two thousand years (2160 to be exact), and because of the precession of the equinoxes, the sun on the vernal equinox rises against the stellar background of a different constellation. For the past two thousand years that constellation has been Pisces the Fish, symbol of the Christian age. Prior to the age of Pisces it was the age of Aries the Ram, and before that it was the age of Taurus the Bull....................................Sphinx seems to have been sculpted sometime before 10,000 BC, and this period coincides with the Age of Leo the Lion, which lasted from 10,970 to 8810 BC.

http://www.sacredsites.com/africa/egypt/sphinx.html

from the link below.......

It really boils down to creating a boundary line we can all accept. These star maps are changeable. People change. Star maps are valid because the society that created them agreed upon them, and that agreement is usually good enough for those who want to use that particular methodology. The Chinese constellations were different from the Mayan constellations and different from the Hebrew, the Greek, Roman and Egyptian.

http://www.aquarian-age.net/lance.htm

so there was vast disagreement amongst the civilisations as to when one age started and another ended? whos civilisation are you getting your predicted date from? ours or the mayans? or some other?

there is also this that believes it is going to be some time of just as a counter.
but i have read that some consilations overlap a little, or are closer together than others, if true it is down to each civilsation to agree when certain ages have begun and each would indeed get different calculations depending on how the saw it, and with what the age of aquarius is said to bring it could bring a level of consciousness that brings peace which is why 2012 is so significant compare to others, quite simply it would be the best time to experience life and i have read many pages that seem to suggest there is disagreement on lines drawn in the sky and that many civilisations have disagreed. so 2012 could be a date some have predicted as the start of that time.

"2100-3200 will be the Age of Aquarius proper, meaning an age of knowledge, independent thought and demands for freedom and progress." 2000- 2100 - 3200 ?
http://www.aquarianage.org/services/chat/posts/1350.html

[marky 54]

The Law of Attraction has to do with the energy frequencies of thought. A thought in a person's mind causes a vibration that travels out into the universe. The universe responds to these vibrations. Higher thought frequencies (positive thinking) cause the universe to respond in positive ways. Lower thought frequencies (negative thinking) causes the universe to respond in undesirable manners.

http://losangeles.broowaha.com/article.php?id=1414

can it work both ways? a relationship between all things the universe, sun and the planets and anything that lives there in?

http://www.rexresearch.com/hodorhys/resnfreq.htm

frequencies in the universe that emit our way which is picked up by the sun somehow and passes on into the the solar system? could each zodiac sign actually represent a frequency a point in the universe that emits certain frequencies which is then amplified when alined with the sun effecting each one of us in a way depending on which frequency is being emitted in our solar system.

i have no idea at all, but could explain why each age is significant thoughout history and why 2012 is important.

[BBC5.tv]

Not sure what's going to happen but it doesn't really matter at the moment, first we have to make it to 2012, then I might start trying to piece together what on earth is transpiring.

[Thermate911]

[Thermate911]

[marky 54]

[marky 54]

first of all consider this information:

It really boils down to creating a boundary line we can all accept. These star maps are changeable. People change. Star maps are valid because the society that created them agreed upon them, and that agreement is usually good enough for those who want to use that particular methodology. The Chinese constellations were different from the Mayan constellations and different from the Hebrew, the Greek, Roman and Egyptian.

http://www.aquarian-age.net/lance.htm

each civilisation calculated differently, mainly because drawing lines in the sky and deciding where each consilation starts and ends would vary from civilisation to civilisation, due to consilations overlapping, or some consilations being ferther apart than others.

ok now consider this:

It takes the Solar System 26,000 Earth years to complete one orbital cycle around Alcyone. It takes 72 years to complete one degree of the 360 degree total. This full period is a ‘year’ for the Sun or one Sidereal Year. This in turn can be divided into sectors (or ‘pieces of cake’!) of two different groupings.

http://www.michaelbutler.com/blog/hair/?p=345

it takes 72 years for a 1 degree difference. if civilisations disagreed where consilations started and ended then drawing lines in the sky in a different place to another civilisation would mean a small difference in degrees but a huge difference in years.

ok now consider this:

The end date is not agreed by leading experts because no one is exactly sure of when the calendar began. Some say it was Aug 11. 3,114 B.Cand some say it was Aug 13. 3,114 B.C. This problem arose because of trying to translate the Mayan calendar to our calendar which changed along the way from Julian to Gregorian. Therefore the great cycle of 5,125 years either ends Dec 21st 2012 or Dec 23rd 2012.

http://www.mayantimes.com/zpages/2012%20Prophecy.htm

the great cycle is what is important here: 5,125 of our years.

now consider this:

Also please see our Castles section which explain about the 5 'seasons` of the Tzolkin

http://www.mayantimes.com/Mayan%20%20calendar.htm

the 5 seasons.

The Tzolkin neatly divides into five sections referred to as castles.
Within each castle are four wavespells.
Each castle lasts 52 days. When you live with the calendar you begin to notice that the castles
are in a sense like seasons with their own character.
Paying attention to which wavespell you are in is important but it is also useful to know what castle you are in.

http://www.mayantimes.com/castlesnew.htm

"but it is also useful to know what castle you are in." to who? the maya?

how it works today with zodiac is basically the same, we have a yearly zodiac but also the longer periods that the sun is said to be in which marks a new age, we are currently in picses, each new age takes roughly 2,100 years of 12 signs, and a full cycle takes 25,920 years.

i believe the mayan did it differently. the season or which castle they were in was more important to them rather than which zodiac sign, so they had 5 periods of 5,125 years rather than 12 periods of 2,100 years.

this way they could map which castle the sun was in rather than which zodiac sign the sun was in.

5 periods of 5,125 years = 25,625 years.

quite close to the 25,920 year cycle, it is 295 years out. it sounds like a lot but the mayan would not of been mapping this in years, they would of been mapping it by observing the skys.

[Thermate911]

[paul wright]

Cheers Thermate. At least you stick with something fairly simple. To argue over astrological buktans or suchlike is enough to drive you MAD.
You simply have the bad intent and the various ways they try to do it
It's all so frikkin simple and the ways to oppose it.
No need for this avalanche of esoteric debate
It's the confusion and endless worry they espouse

[paul wright]