Fate of Miriam Hyman

[astro3]

deleted at request of Esther Hyman

[karlos]

While i agree that when one looks into the individuals who are reported to have died alot of the official narrative does not add up, however, i cannot see any possibilty that the three asians could have possibly shared a cab to Canary Wharf with a total stranger.
If you are a single woman would you share a cab with three total strangers all male?
It also makes no sense for her to get on that bus either, it does not go the right way.

[kbo234]

[Prole]

[kbo234]

[karlos]

I think Astro showed be congratulated for taking the initiative.
Contacting witnesses and survivors and relatives is actually the only way to take this subject forward
It is no good people just googling an ever diminishing amount of second and third hand data.
Talking to actual people on the ground on that day is very necessary.
Building up a database of actual witness testimony in the absence of a public inquiry.
Clearly Astro has identified a diversion between the official story and the actual evidence as supplied by the relatives.
So well done Astro, keep up the good work.
In the absence of a public inquiry your research is crucial.

[Prole]

This isn't research though, this is being done to confirm wild speculation and hypothesis. The fact that Miriam's father obviously made it clear to astro3 that he didn't welcome these phone calls says something doesn't it? You clearly have no idea how much this kind of thing will feed back into the whole 'lack of empathy of the truth campaign' scenario being promoted by a certain high-profile survivor.

J7 can only publicly disassociate ourselves from such tactics and press for a full and open Inquest where the evidence can be examined. Those relatives who have questions, and there are many such as Thomas Ikimi, can choose how they wish to press for the truth, but two and a half years is hardly a long time in the grieving process of losing a loved one.

[karlos]

But there are many of the 52 families and 900 injured survivors for whom the official story does not add up.
The best way for closure is for there to be a full investigation of the events of that day.
That may not be achieved solely from an inquiry.
Dont forget Christian Small was reported to have been seen alive after the bus bomb by Daniel Obachike.
Anat Rosenberg was talking on the phone to her relative when he heard screams in the background and the line went dead but he heard no explosion.
It makes no sense for Miriam to have been on the bus because it does not go anywhere near where she wanted to be going.
So while her family do want closure they do also have some lingering doubts which were obviously expressed to the researcher.

J7 may wish to distance itself from this research but what other research is there left to conduct other than interview witnesses and survivors and relatives?

[Mark Gobell]

[Prole]

[kbo234]

[karlos]

[xmasdale]

I am reminded of the reaction of certain grieving relatives to a demonstration in front of the US embasy by people from the 9/11 Truth Campaign on 11th Sept 2006. The relatives expressed hostile emotions to the demonstrators. One demonstrator responded:

"All we want is to know the truth."

A grieving relative angrily replied:

"We don't wanna know the truth."

On the other hand there are other grieving relatives who very much want to know the truth, for instance the "Jersey Girls" featured in the movie 9/11 Press for Truth.

How can we be both sensitive to people's grief and incisive in uncovering the truth? I don't know the answer to that one.

[kbo234]

[astro3]

The Canary Wharf Killings of July 7th

This was written by Gareth on the West Yorkshire messageboard. It had been sent to Muad'Dib which helped to inform the design of his video.

'I was working in the main Canary Wharf building on the morning of J7. I was contracted to a mailroom and worked in the same office as the facilities people. These are the people that have the responsibility for the health and safety for the bank’s employees and every office throughout London has a team of these people.

'In these offices is an electronic wall panel linked directly to the government, through which they can send information incase of an emergency. On the morning of 7/7, every facilities office received a message that their had been a power surge in the London underground. This was put out, but nothing was said about any explosions. Only Sky news and the other news broadcasters reported them.

'A lot of people tried to call relatives, but the phones had been jammed. After hearing about the explosions and then bus explosion our office caught wind of snipers having shot some people at ground level outside the building next to us. We heard that the HSBC staff were being told to stay away from their windows

'As time passed the facilities people asked me and a colleague to go and prepare food and water at an evacuation site the bank were paying for as well as set up a phone line and internet connection. That was at a church in Mile End, which was over a mile away. We took a small 5-man passenger lift down to the shopping precinct under the tower. We soon found out that a section of the shops had been marked off-limits by security. The main HSBC entrance is underground where the shops that had been blocked off were. As well as being blocked off by many security personnel, they had also cut the lights so no-one could see what was happening in the area they were guarding. I thought this was strange, because there were no reports of explosions at Canary Wharf on the news.

'By this time there were a lot of people at the train station, but could only get there by following certain routes because the CW security where blocking off areas to the public, so they were being led. Anyway, me and my colleague made our way to the street and soon noticed there wasn't any cars on the roads, only emergency vehicles. This was also odd.

'After we left the Isle of Dogs we noticed the police had set road-blocks denying anyone access, but never said why. At this point on our journey my colleague somehow received a phone call from a friend working in the city saying that someone had been shot and killed by a sniper at CW.'

It seems to me that this shows quite high-level activity at Canary Wharf that morning, and its hard to think what could have brought this about apart from the lads themselves being there. Mark Gobell is quite right to call this speculation, but the fact is something did happen. I guess the Powers that Be did not want a c***-up as when after 9/11 eight of the 'hijackers' were still alive, or when Mohammed Atta phoned his Father on the 12th the day after. No this had to be done properly.

And was Miriam Hyman the photographer somehow involved? I tried to contact librarian Guy Dixon, whose wife had a lunch appointment with her at Canary Wharf, to find out where she worked, but Prole will be relieved to hear that he had left his library/IT job at UCL last year and they can't tell me where he went to.



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[Mark Gobell]

Most odd.

[karlos]

Miriam has no reason for getting on the bus. It does not go towards her office nor does it go towards her home.
So it is a pretty safe bet to assume she was not on the bus.
So the question is how does she become a victim of the bus bomb?

As vicitms families have already stated. A central morgue was used.

There is a view that corpses may have been re allocated to the various crime scenes. Sounds conspiracy, but Miriam's family's account does add weight to that theory.

[Mark Gobell]