View previous topic :: View next topic |
Author |
Message |
keithm Validated Poster
Joined: 05 Sep 2007 Posts: 93 Location: bournemouth
|
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 1:59 am Post subject: BBC producer Guy Smith to answer questions on Talksport |
|
|
Guy smith of the bbc 9/11 conspiracy files is on talksport with ian(brown noser) collins sometime this week or next,
to apparently put the issue of 9/11 to sleep,once and for all.
they say that they want as many people as possible to ring in and guy smith will gladly challenge any conspiracy theorist.
Last edited by keithm on Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:55 am; edited 2 times in total |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Sherlock Holmes Validated Poster
Joined: 10 Sep 2006 Posts: 205 Location: Sunny Southampton
|
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:37 am Post subject: |
|
|
Guy Smith is the British version of those sickening popular mechanics shills.
However, the BBC is dying; it's popular only with the blue-rinse brigade and die hard "lib-lab-con paradigmists".
The only salvation for the BBC will be extending the license fee to all households that have a computer/internet access.
I recently talked to a group of 17/18 year olds, an ex-British navy officer (Gulf War 1 veteran) and *another* police officer, and they ALL agreed after looking at the material 9/11 was an inside job, and yeah so was 7/7
So screw you BBC, I'm getting the message out. SCREW YOU!
4000 DVDs +++++ |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Mark Gobell On Gardening Leave
Joined: 24 Jul 2006 Posts: 4529
|
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:00 am Post subject: |
|
|
Quote: | to apparently put the issue of 9/11 to sleep,once and for all. |
Well he'd better have a few supertankers of elephant tranquiliser handy then.
_________________ The Medium is the Massage - Marshall McLuhan. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
IanFantom Validated Poster
Joined: 31 Jan 2007 Posts: 296 Location: Halifax, West Yorkshire
|
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 12:15 pm Post subject: Putting conspiracy theories to sleep |
|
|
Quote: | Guy smith of the bbc 9/11 conspiracy files is on talksport with ian(brown noser) collins sometime this week or next, to apparently put the issue of 9/11 to sleep,once and for all. |
That's easy. Ask him as many questions as you can on the conspiracy theory that the Taliban was behind it, with Osama bin Laden operating from remote caves in Afghanistan. Some conspiracy theorists say that the hijackers were islamic terrorists working for Osama bin Laden.
Ask him to put that one to sleep, and assure us that it's just been a dream.
Ask him to put to sleep the conspiracy theory that Saddam Husein was working with Osama bin Laden's outfit, Al Qaida, and with the Taliban in the attacks of 9/11.
I bet you he can.
Then ask him to put to sleep the conspiracy theory that Professor Steven Jones had carried out a physics study of the collapse of the towers, but that the BBC documentary had chosen instead to interview the editor of Popular Mechanics.
I bet you he can't.
Regards,
Ian |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Snowygrouch Validated Poster
Joined: 02 Apr 2006 Posts: 628 Location: Oxford
|
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 12:55 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Its a difficult one,
When you`re dealing with a man like this you might be as well to try to argue the case for CIA complicity with the neigbours pet cat.
I`m not saying dont phone in, far from it. But dont expect any possibility of rational debate or discussion of facts.
C. _________________ The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist
President Eisenhower 1961 |
|
Back to top |
|
|
SHERITON HOTEL Moderate Poster
Joined: 18 Jun 2006 Posts: 988
|
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 1:27 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Where have you been snowygrouch? your long abscence was bringing out the CT in me BIGTIME!
Didn't you say at the Indian YMCA back in early summer Guy Smith had asked the US authorities for the serial numbers of F77 B757 components allegedly salvaged from the Pentagon crash site 9/11 to "once and for all debunk the CT's" and was curtly told 'NO YOU CANNOT HAVE ANY F77 COMPONENT SERIAL NUMBERS'?
Someone on here said this information has been officially exempted from US FOI. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Snowygrouch Validated Poster
Joined: 02 Apr 2006 Posts: 628 Location: Oxford
|
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 1:37 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Yes sorry about the dissapearance but no foul play was involved. Just been getting on with my degree which takes up most of my time.
Yes Guy asked to see parts from Flight 77 or to see matched serial no.s and was refused.
I left messages on his answerphone in the weeks leading up to the airing and apparently he wasnt interesting enough in the flight data recorder to return any calls.
I`m sure he MEANT to and just forgot
C. _________________ The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist
President Eisenhower 1961 |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Mick Meaney Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
Joined: 16 Feb 2006 Posts: 377 Location: North West UK
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
ian neal Angel - now passed away
Joined: 26 Jul 2005 Posts: 3140 Location: UK
|
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 3:58 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Shame you didn't have that on tape. It would be dynamite
After all it was the failure of the BBC to honour the requirement of its charter and guidelines that were the crux of charge levelled at the BBC 9/11 Conspiracy Files documentary by campaigners including BBC5/David Shayler
Here are their obligations.........
Quote: | To ensure that the Corporation and its employees and all programme makers engaged by the Corporation comply with the provisions of any code which the Corporation is required to draw up for the treatment of controversial subjects with due accuracy and impartiality and comply with any other code or guidelines applicable to programme content and standards. |
http://www.bbc.co.uk/info/policies/charter/pdf/charter_text.shtml
Quote: | S. 5.1 (c) of the Agreement provides that the BBC shall do all it can to secure that all
programmes:
“…treat controversial subjects with due accuracy and impartiality… in
the Corporation’s news services…and do not contain any material
expressing the opinion of the Corporation…” |
http://www.bbccharterreview.org.uk/first_phase_responses/A/Asserson_Tr evor.pdf
From the producer guidelines the BBC has an obligation to
Quote: | 1. fairness (part 1, sections 1 and 2.1)
2. respect for truth (part 1, sections 1 and 2.1)
3. due accuracy (part 2, section 1)
4. attachment to fundamental democratic principles (part 1, section 1)
5. not broadcasting own opinions on current affairs or matters of public policy (part 1, section 1)
6. ensure that opposing views are not misrepresented (part 1, section 2.1)
7. news programmes should be dispassionate, wide ranging and well informed (part 1, section 2.2)
8. must take account of events as well as arguments (part 1, section 2.2)
9. should offer viewers and listeners an informed account of issues, enabling them to form their own views (part 1, section 2.2)
10. audience should not be able to gauge reporter’s personal views (part 1, section 2.2) 1 See Schedule II 31-LO/225619.1
11. research must be thorough, wherever possible- information should be gathered first hand by being there or by talking to those who were (part 2, section 1)
12. reluctant to rely only on one source (part 2, section 2)
13. if controversial issue – relevant opinions as well as facts may need to be considered (part 2, section 2)
14. if legally contentious issue – its accuracy must be capable of withstanding scrutiny in a court of law (part 2, section 2)
15. use language fairly (part 2, section 4)
16. not use language inadvertently so as to suggest value judgements, commitment or lack of objectivity (part 2, section 4) |
Quote: | The BBC’s Editorial Values:
Impartiality
Due impartiality lies at the heart of the BBC. All BBC programmes and services should be open minded, fair and show a respect for truth. No significant strand of thought should go unreflected or under represented on the BBC (see Chapter 2).
Accuracy
We must be accurate and must be prepared to check, cross-check and seek advice to ensure this. Wherever possible we should gather information first-hand by being there ourselves or, where that is not possible, by talking to those who were. But accuracy is often more than a question of getting the facts right. All relevant information should be
weighed to get at the truth of what is reported or described (see Chapter 2).
Fairness
BBC programmes should be based on fairness, openness and straight dealing. Contributors should be treated honestly and with respect. They have a right to know what a programme is about, what kind of contribution they are expected to make, whether it will be live or recorded and whether it is to be edited (see Chapter 3).
Giving a Full and Fair View of People and Cultures
…. in the United Kingdom and across the world. BBC programmes and services should reflect and draw on this diversity to reflect life as it is. By doing so we introduce new talent, perspectives, faces and voices enriching our programmes for our audiences.
When portraying social groups (such as 9/11 truth campaigners), stereotypes should be avoided (see Chapter 9)
Editorial Integrity and Independence
Audiences must be able to trust the integrity of BBC programmes. They should be confident that decisions are made only for good editorial reasons, not as a result of improper pressure, be it political, commercial or special interest (see Chapter 24).
The outside activities of programme-makers must not improperly influence BBC programmes (see Chapter 10).
Fairness to Interviewees
BBC interviews should be well mannered and courteous. They may be searching, sharp, sceptical, informed and to the point - but not partial, discourteous or emotionally attached to one side of an argument. They should not be aggressive, hectoring or rude, whatever the provocation. Interviewees should be given a fair chance to set out their full response to the questions (see Chapter 13). |
I suggest callers focus on 2 key but related issues
The fact that 9/11 commission was not impartial, independent or transparent and failed to answer 75% of the family campaigners questions
and
the BBC documentary was not impartial and fair.
I suggest watching the documentary and the BBC5 response again and prepare some pertinent questions for Guy
Finally this conclusion from its internal investigation of its Israeli/Palestine coverage is relevent in looking at how the BBC covers other controversial topics such as 9/11.
Quote: | We understand that the Israeli Palestinian Conflict is an emotive topic, and that it is difficult to avoid taking sides. Most broadcasters and other media may and do take sides. The BBC may not.
The BBC is funded by public money. Partly because of this, it has accepted a duty on itself to cover politically controversial issues in an impartial way. The persistent failure to treat the Middle East in an impartial way constitutes a breach of the trust which Licence payers have placed in the BBC.
Given the huge influence of the BBC on attitudes around the world, we believe that any bias by the BBC could have far reaching effects.
If the BBC is to adhere to the lofty ideals which it has set itself, and to which it is legally bound, it must strive to report on the Middle East in an impartial and accurate manner. |
Does anyone have any further information on when this programme will take place? |
|
Back to top |
|
|
keithm Validated Poster
Joined: 05 Sep 2007 Posts: 93 Location: bournemouth
|
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:48 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Hi Keith,
We will be recording the Guy Smith section this Thursday evening and it will go on air on Tuesday morning. Are you interested in speaking to Guy? If so, please email me your contact details, and I will be in touch on Thursday.
Thanks,
Kathryn Anastasi
Set-up Producer Ian Collins Show / Mike Mendoza Show
talkSPORT Programming
18 Hatfields
London SE1 8DJ
Tel No: 0207 959 7822
Kathryn.Anastasi@talksport.co.uk
www.talkSPORT.net |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Bongo 9/11 Truth critic
Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 687
|
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 6:38 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Dont forget to mention 'Jane Standley'!!!
I clearly remember that the timing of the leaking of that little nuggat did appear to be in direct response to the initial airing of the 'Conspiracy Files' programme. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
kbo234 Validated Poster
Joined: 10 Dec 2005 Posts: 2017 Location: Croydon, Surrey
|
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:12 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Is this the same Guy Smith who is now 'Home Affairs Correspondent' for the BBC News? |
|
Back to top |
|
|
TonyGosling Editor
Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 18335 Location: St. Pauls, Bristol, England
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
SHERITON HOTEL Moderate Poster
Joined: 18 Jun 2006 Posts: 988
|
Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:26 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I thought the BBC were being forced to make a public apology for Guy Smith's 'Conspiracy Files 9/11' |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Mick Meaney Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
Joined: 16 Feb 2006 Posts: 377 Location: North West UK
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
SHERITON HOTEL Moderate Poster
Joined: 18 Jun 2006 Posts: 988
|
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:57 pm Post subject: |
|
|
When is (creepy) Collins having Guy Smith on, do we know? I lost two hours sleep last night listening to inane drivel as some one had said "Thursday". (Technically Thursday's Collins show was yesterday morning so did I miss it anyone know?) |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Mick Meaney Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
Joined: 16 Feb 2006 Posts: 377 Location: North West UK
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
Thermate911 Angel - now passed away
Joined: 16 Jul 2007 Posts: 1451 Location: UEMS
|
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:42 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Quote: | As far as I know it's being aired on Tuesday morning.. don't know what time though. |
Let me guess.
5 am?
In a sub-basement?
Without a ladder or a light?
Oh, sorry, sliding off into Douglas Adams territory here...
Look - the MSM (including TalkGarbage) is and will never again in our lifetimes be anything but a 'Ministry of Truth'.
Forget them. We Are Change is the way forward...
. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
jahschild Validated Poster
Joined: 23 May 2007 Posts: 51 Location: eland
|
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:55 am Post subject: BBC = Bavarian Brainwashing Corporation |
|
|
Smith is bonkers, he cocks it up big time, as someone pointed out, the tape over dubbing the BBC added to the sound-track just before the woman says 'there was a call saying a Hyjacking was in progress heading for New York'
Then the next clip with the added 'camera shaking enharncement nonsense' she says 'But the Pilots didn't know which way to go, so they headed out to sea.'
That is a good question to put to Smith. Is that his real name, I wonder?
But hey, he is being interviewd by the same people he lies for, what are you expecting?
They are just taking the piss out of us all, everyday even today, they laugh at us, in their secret Masonic meetings they have, just before they come to our meetings, to put on a show of division, to further intrench the factions, and morons who follow them.
Why on Earth has not all this already brought down the entire global despot already?
Why?
Because its a game of humiliation just to see how much they can ignor and riddicule the general populace, and how long they can do it for. _________________ The queens real name is: Saxe Coburg Gotha. not Windsor. They were installed in 1915.
Government, Meaning/Translation;
Govern = To Control;
Ment, taken from Latin/Greek, Mente = Mind
Government = Control Mind. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
SHERITON HOTEL Moderate Poster
Joined: 18 Jun 2006 Posts: 988
|
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 12:43 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Did no-one listen last night? Ian Neal,I think it was, phoned in representing this web-site and said this site was down feeding the two wags the opportunity to entertain us with... "maybe its a conspiracy" . Ian did mention the Jersey girls and family steering Cmmt's stuggle to get a 911 commission in the fist place and how 75% of the families questions were not asked.
Collins showed his ignorance when a truther caller from liverpool talked about the FBI's confiscation of all the local private business and freeway CCTV that might have revealed what hit the Pentagon 9/11 saying to the caller (I kid you not) "you just made that up!" and,pejoritively, that "you read it on some website" He must have been briefed over his headphones by better informed colleagues that it was the case the FBI had comandeered all local CCTV evidence as he changed his position to something about US national security being compromised by these films. Didn't the better shills used to say they'd prejudice the Mussauwi court case?
The guy bringing the disinformation case against the BBC over 'Conspiracy Files 9/11'e-mailed in his grievances, Collins said he couldn't understand the posting and didn't adress any of his points. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
SHERITON HOTEL Moderate Poster
Joined: 18 Jun 2006 Posts: 988
|
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 2:10 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Collins also came out with the pearl of wisdom something to the effect that 'the FBI might have S-U-G-G-E-S-T-E-D to local Pentagon 911 businesses that they might help out the US government by surrendering the films to aid the enquiry' [/i] |
|
Back to top |
|
|
keithm Validated Poster
Joined: 05 Sep 2007 Posts: 93 Location: bournemouth
|
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 2:30 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Ian collins always brags about going to parliament to watch PMQs and also goes on about hanging around the bbc and sky tv studio's every week.
there is something very creepy about him,maybe he's a mason or something. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Linda Validated Poster
Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 558 Location: Romford Essex
|
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 2:49 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Ian Collins is a waste of space. I stopped listening to his programs along time ago, he is a prize pratt. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
ian neal Angel - now passed away
Joined: 26 Jul 2005 Posts: 3140 Location: UK
|
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 4:13 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Hi I did appear. it was recorded last thursday but I've yet to hear the recording. Although I didn't think I said anything 'wrong', I didn't feel I did very well. I didn't pin him down or make him squirm and he was there to be challenged.
With hindsight (which is a glorious thing) I would have tried to pin him down on his comment that he thought there was a conspiracy by the Bush administration in covering up the 'mistakes' of 9/11. Which invites the question what he believes was covered-up, in what ways did the commission mislead and lie to us and who was involved in this conspiracy (to cover-up).
The campaign website (www.911truthcampaign.net) was down at the time of the recording although thankfully Mick has restored normal service. Thanks Mick. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
SHERITON HOTEL Moderate Poster
Joined: 18 Jun 2006 Posts: 988
|
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 4:46 pm Post subject: |
|
|
How were they taking calls, texts and e-mails if it was recorded last Thursday?
How do the BBC ,Talksport, Collins and Guy Smith get away with this tripe? |
|
Back to top |
|
|
ian neal Angel - now passed away
Joined: 26 Jul 2005 Posts: 3140 Location: UK
|
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 5:04 pm Post subject: |
|
|
It was tripe (atleast the half hour I had to listen to down the phone before my 5 mins). I emailed them on thursday PM having read the details on this thread and they replied within 1/2 hour. I presume they choose to record it in order to allow themselves the security of being able to edit the programme rather than have to manage a live phone-in. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
|