Joined: 15 Sep 2006 Posts: 1 Location: manchester england
Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 2:40 pm Post subject: Zeitgeist: movie
This film is very powerful and puts everything about the world we live in today into perspective.It can be viewed on the homepage of my website
http://www.secretactivist.blogspot.com
Though I don't know much about the astrology stuff (though others have attacked it elsewhere), the proposition that religion was devised to control people simply does not follow from the proposition that Christianity comprises of astrological symbolism.
There is zero evidence that Christianity served as some big social control mechanism in the crumbling Roman Empire. IIRC, the transition was less than spectacular with only heresy being made a crime - pagan worship remained legitimate. Some measures, such as making it a crime to murder a slave, were far from repressive. As far as I know, it mostly led to ongoing bickering about the nature of Christ with Arianism and Nestorianism and all that. _________________ It's a man's life in MOSSAD
Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 1158 Location: South Essex
Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 10:43 pm Post subject:
There are in fact startling similarities between the lives of Jesus and the legend of Horus,here's a snippit with the full link below:
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Horus and Jesus
A connection between Jesus and Horus-Osiris is frequently raised by critics of the historicity of Jesus, who argue that he was a mythical figure (see Jesus-Myth). Superficially, the death and resurrection of Horus-Osiris, and Horus' nature as both the son of Osiris and Osiris himself, appear to be a template for the idea that this occurred in Jesus.
Deeper similarities between Horus and Jesus, which are not at all obvious to those who are not completely familiar with ancient Egyptian mythology and linguistics, have been said by some to mean that certain elements of the story of Jesus were embellishments, which were copied from the Horus as syncretism. Indeed, according to a few more radical scholars, Jesus was copied from Horus wholesale, and made into a Jewish teacher. In particular, it is said that Horus is the basis for the elements assigned to the M Gospel (the bits in Matthew which are not in the Q Gospel or Mark) and the L Gospel (the bits in Luke which are not in the Q gospel or Mark), especially the infancy narratives.
The 'Overture' to this film is amongst the most powerful I have ever experienced. If I have one problem with Zeitgeist, it is the order of the parts. I have watched audience reactions and taken 'exit polls' in various parts of Europe that indicate a general dismay over the first part sufficient to cloud the issues of the present day relevance of the other two.
Could the producers please at least consider a reverse order for more 'sensitive religious areas' of the world? By the time such people have absorbed the perfidious Jekyll Island mob and all that followed, through 9/11 and beyond, they might just be more open to questioning the age-old fundamentals of our slavery... _________________ "We will lead every revolution against us!" - attrib: Theodor Herzl
"Timely Demise to All Oppressors - at their Convenience!" - 'Interesting Times', Terry Pratchett
I've given it to a few people and the reaction is incredible. I agree that some of it is suspicious, and perhaps disinfo, but anything chat makes people realise the world is not necessarily as they have been told is a good thing. start with this stuff and they may just wonder why those buildings collapsed so quickly or why they had just changed ownership or why the lawn was unmarked or why no pilot managed to hit the hijack button and so on. Most people don't questin the world they live in too deeply, they just live in it. They think we who do are nuts or geeks. They don't realise they are living immersed in popaganda and state control. We have to tell them they are.
Some interesting questions and requests for evidence about Zeitgeist on this, relevant links in the comments about this video section.
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About This Video I'll add further commentary in the near future.... (more)
Added: January 16, 2008
I'll add further commentary in the near future.
For now, some links:
Why are "truthers" such as Alan Watt, ignoring rational and reasonable questions about his work? Why is he pretending the issues raised are to do with the Christianity of the questioners - and therefore religious and thus personal - when the issues are more to do with historical accuracy and integrity?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qzKcG...
Joined: 10 Dec 2005 Posts: 2017 Location: Croydon, Surrey
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 11:54 pm Post subject:
Yes.
The guy in this video is repeating what I have read on other sites (including the 'Zeitgeist Challenge' on conspiracyclothes.com)
The first part of 'Zeitgeist' is mostly made up rubbish.
The question is why would anyone do this? Whatever is being done is deliberate so what is really going on here?
The makers are aiming their film at the radical opposition to our political system (i.e. us, and the kinds of people who might agree with or join us).....so what is it all about?
I have many thoughts about this but it is far too late to start putting them together now. Must be up and out in 6 hours time. Maybe over the weekend.
Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 18335 Location: St. Pauls, Bristol, England
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:02 am Post subject:
yup, it's a curious film... beginning with vehemently anti-Christian propaganda and eventually trundling along to the naked truth.
This sort of film can only work where the truth about the lack of real democracy in the West is severely suppressed.
So you can have the truth but on our anti-God terms.
Fits in with the thesis that this is propaganda and hooks up with the Nazis hatred for the monotheistic religions.
Maybe 'Zeitgeist, The Final Cut' will start about 25 minutes in
kbo234 wrote:
Yes.
The guy in this video is repeating what I have read on other sites (including the 'Zeitgeist Challenge' on conspiracyclothes.com)
The first part of 'Zeitgeist' is mostly made up rubbish.
The question is why would anyone do this? Whatever is being done is deliberate so what is really going on here?
The makers are aiming their film at the radical opposition to our political system (i.e. us, and the kinds of people who might agree with or join us).....so what is it all about?
I have many thoughts about this but it is far too late to start putting them together now. Must be up and out in 6 hours time. Maybe over the weekend.
Joined: 15 Jan 2008 Posts: 102 Location: NYC/Pennsylvania
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:34 am Post subject:
Newspeak International wrote:
Don't dismiss Part 1,it is spectacular on it's own.
I likedthis part as well, but I prefer the way it was presented by Jordan Maxwell back in the 90's, where he lists off 25 deities from around the world and throughout history that share major defining characteristics of the Jesus story:
Jesus:
Born Dec 25
baptized at 30 by John the Baptist
died on a cross
rose from the dead
Horus:
baptized at 30 by Anup the Baptist
died on a cross
rose from the dead
Krishna:
died by being nailed to a tree
rose from the dead
etc. _________________ The answer to 1984 is 1776!
Joined: 15 Jan 2008 Posts: 102 Location: NYC/Pennsylvania
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:37 am Post subject:
Jayhawk wrote:
The anti christian content is complete cobblers. Pity.
No, believing that the word of God can be edited by the Council of Nicaea and remain the word of "God" is cobblers (assuming that this is UK-speak for "bulls***"). _________________ The answer to 1984 is 1776!
Joined: 14 Dec 2005 Posts: 475 Location: North London
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:41 am Post subject:
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I likedthis part as well, but I prefer the way it was presented by Jordan Maxwell back in the 90's, where he lists off 25 deities from around the world and throughout history that share major defining characteristics of the Jesus story:
In terms of Zeitgeist part 1, we have Christians like Beckford who did a Channel 4 programme on Christmas Day detailing Christ's similarities to other deities. Apparently 25th December is taken from Mythra. I do not believe in God, and had read much about Christ's similarities (e.g. Gerald Massey, 'Book of the Beginnings'), but even I was shocked about Zeitgeist Part 1. Most Christians, and others brought up on Christianity, have no idea whatsoever of these issues. Why? And is it surprising that there first reaction is, without having available any deeper study of the subject, it's all cobblers.
Freemasons know about this stuff. Freemasons who reach the higher levels are told about this. This is why some of their symbolism is taken from Ancient Egypt.
Joined: 15 Jan 2008 Posts: 102 Location: NYC/Pennsylvania
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:50 am Post subject:
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And is it surprising that there first reaction is, without having available any deeper study of the subject, it's all cobblers.
The info is readily available to most people in the West, but as with 7/7 and 9/11, most people are indoctrinated to believe that questioning authority is a sin so they tend to do an ostrich and stick their heads in the nearest available sand.
And lest anyone believe that I have anything against rank and file Christians (that mind their own business and do not try to proselytize to me), I was raised Catholic and entertained the idea of becoming a priest until about halfway through HS, but the inconsistencies were too much to ignore. _________________ The answer to 1984 is 1776!
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