So much for the "patriot" radio stations and their blind adoration, this is a massive betrayal. No amount of mental gymnastics can forgive the man for his comments; all UK truthers need to be aware of those that promote him ad nauseam.
One of the best comments in my opinion (taken from 911blogger) on his statement was this one:
How difficult is it to say "Millions of Americans, including many 9/11 family members, are demanding a truly independent investigation into 9/11 - with no conflicts of interest and no avoiding the difficult questions. I don't advocate any theories about 9/11 but I do support a new investigation." Apparently it's too difficult for Ron Paul.
Perfectly handled by Ron Paul who resists attempts to smear him by associating himself with a movement which is still regarded as a "nutcase" movement at this stage. He knows the truth but is aware that he has to avoid the powerful mainstream media from derailing his candidacy. Nice try Sherlock but either you are so naive as to believe the nonsense you just posted or, probably more accurate, you are part of the usual attempts to undermine this movement. Ron Paul is our best hope for change for the better and people like you know it. Don't you have some "no planes" drivel to be posting?
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 1:32 pm Post subject:
blackcat wrote:
Perfectly handled by Ron Paul who resists attempts to smear him by associating himself with a movement which is still regarded as a "nutcase" movement at this stage. He knows the truth but is aware that he has to avoid the powerful mainstream media from derailing his candidacy. Nice try Sherlock but either you are so naive as to believe the nonsense you just posted or, probably more accurate, you are part of the usual attempts to undermine this movement. Ron Paul is our best hope for change for the better and people like you know it. Don't you have some "no planes" drivel to be posting?
Lets not unwittingly make the same mistake your warning about
I dont take Pauls remarks too seriously here: it was a curve ball question designed to push him out of the debate and make him smear himself. The guy had to think on his feet and deflect this question to hammer home his points in the debate and not be sidelined by the MSM
Lets worry about 9/11 Truth and Ron Paul when Paul is in a better position to do something about it: like delivering a new investigation, if he gets that far. Meanwhile, he is the most truthery choice going (as in: the ONLY one) and its not up to Ron Paul to break 9/11 Truth into the mass consciousness: its up to everyone! _________________ Free your Self and Free the World
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 1:35 pm Post subject:
jfk wrote:
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Don't you have some "no planes" drivel to be posting?
Better than blaming U.S.A for letting the 'planes' hit the towers
What do you mean "blame the USA?"
A nation is a notion, its only an idea and cant be held responsible
Factions within the Military Industrial Complex, however, we can definately blame, and some of them are the government in key positions. Anyway, Prior knowledge etc is now proven mate _________________ Free your Self and Free the World
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 1:46 pm Post subject:
jfk wrote:
the trap that 911 truth has fallen into is to blame the U.S government and call 911 an inside job, when it is most likely to be an OUTSIDE JOB.
..and so the agenda becomes clear.
Cheney, Rummy, Ricey, Tenety, NORADy and elements of the CIA and FBI were not involved.
It was outsiders.
Honest. _________________ Dissolution of the Global Corporations.
It's the only way.
Let's see how many Ron Paul supporters wake up now, or become the next deluded sheople thanks to a politician whom they believed in and just wouldn't let go of.
Jesus says (and Ron Paul SAYS he is a "Christian"), the truth shall set you free.
Ron Paul says, don't speak the truth if you care about me because I won't get as many votes.
The "leader" of the "revolution" asking his followers to stop talking about 9-11 truth?? No revolution here is there, just another revolve-olution, where the have-nots will become the haves, and things will not really change.
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I came to see the futility of revolve-olutions and wars. I understood selfishness and greed were/are the driving forces that finally divide the haves and the have-nots. The have-nots will, when they have nothing else to lose, rise up in BLOODY revolve-olution and over-throw the "haves".., BUT HAVE THEY.., REALLY??
I came to understand, "the more things change; the more they stay the same" and "meet the new boss; same as the old boss" [just like at the end of "The Devil's Advocate" {the devil just changed faces}].
It is all about ego and like a chameleon.., the ego will change to adapt so "it" can survive. The have-nots are the "want-to-be" [wannabes/future] haves. Once in power.., they eventually take on the persona/SAME SPIRIT of the former "haves" [i.e. "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely" BECAUSE OF EGOTISM]. So what we end up with is the platform for the NEXT revolve-olution with nothing really changing. IT IS ALL THEATER. IT IS ALL THEATER. IT IS ALL THEATER.
Ron is another fake follower of Christ who perhaps doesn't even realize it, who has made thousands of truth and justice-seekers backslide into believing that they can win by taking part in an already corrupt and RIGGED system. And making them believe that the CON-stitution is the answer to all their problems when in reality it was the BEGINNING of all their problems, setting the stage once again for illegal man-made "laws" enacted by a few elite, when many of them (Americans) had left European countries for that very reason.
Ron Paul is also hurting his chances HIMSELF, because by saying that his supporters are hurting his chances he is making them out to be stupid, and therefore others will hear that and think 'well, if they are stupid then Ron Paul must be the stupids' choice'. He had the perfect opportunity to defend their right to speak their minds, promise that there would be a proper investigation into 9-11 to lay the matter to rest once and for all, and he did not do so. Instead he chose to say he had abandoned such thinking, trying to ingratiate himself with the "Elite" and their flock.
He also keeps saying this isn't about HIM. That the people have had enough of corruption and lies. But he keeps spreading the official 9-11 conspiracy theory lie, and has now made it ALL about him by admitting on live TV that all he cares about is votes.
chek wrote:
jfk wrote:
the trap that 911 truth has fallen into is to blame the U.S government and call 911 an inside job, when it is most likely to be an OUTSIDE JOB.
..and so the agenda becomes clear.
Cheney, Rummy, Ricey, Tenety, NORADy and elements of the CIA and FBI were not involved.
It was outsiders.
Honest.
Hmmm
Isnt that.. the official conspiracy theory?
no john, when i say 'outside job' i don't mean 19 hijackers
i mean the private military industrial complex
Ron ... has made thousands of truth and justice-seekers backslide into believing that they can win by taking part in an already corrupt and RIGGED system.
That is his role. However it is still possible some good can come out of this
Even if Ron Paul is colluding in downplaying his vote a la John Kerry it would be relatively simple to audit his vote by survey and hence judge the true mood of America, not the one painted in the media _________________ Belief is the Enemy of Truth www.dissential.com
Perfectly handled by Ron Paul who resists attempts to smear him by associating himself with a movement which is still regarded as a "nutcase" movement at this stage. He knows the truth but is aware that he has to avoid the powerful mainstream media from derailing his candidacy. Nice try Sherlock but either you are so naive as to believe the nonsense you just posted or, probably more accurate, you are part of the usual attempts to undermine this movement. Ron Paul is our best hope for change for the better and people like you know it. Don't you have some "no planes" drivel to be posting?
Oh I'm a no planer now? And a space beamer? Are you joking? Since when?
I think you've got the WRONG person. NPT and space beams might be your cup of tea, it's certainly not mine.
So all the architects and engineers who have come out for 9/11 truth, all of us, including those people who promote RP are simply "nutcases"??
I mean and you talk about Orwellian doublethink, that’s the most asinine proposition I've heard in a long time.
After what he said on Fox, Ron Paul, well he's the flip side to the NPT and the Space Beamers, two sides of the same dirty little coin.
Ron Paul is perfectly eloquent when it comes to the Military Industrial complex, the New World Order, legalising drugs and abolishing the CIA - these aren't 'nutcase' issues to the vast majority of Americans??
Did you read what I actually wrote in the original message; the best response to his comments was this one:
Quote:
Submitted by YT of www.TruthAction.org
How difficult is it to say "Millions of Americans, including many 9/11 family members, are demanding a truly independent investigation into 9/11 - with no conflicts of interest and no avoiding the difficult questions. I don't advocate any theories about 9/11 but I do support a new investigation." Apparently it's too difficult for Ron Paul.
Perfectly handled by Ron Paul who resists attempts to smear him by associating himself with a movement which is still regarded as a "nutcase" movement at this stage. He knows the truth but is aware that he has to avoid the powerful mainstream media from derailing his candidacy. Nice try Sherlock but either you are so naive as to believe the nonsense you just posted or, probably more accurate, you are part of the usual attempts to undermine this movement. Ron Paul is our best hope for change for the better and people like you know it. Don't you have some "no planes" drivel to be posting?
agree, change for the better is change for the better, 911 truth or not.
freedoms come before 9/11 truth, i think some ignore that in favour of 9/11 truth. without some sort of freedom left nobody will hear what anybodys got to say about anything.
After a careful investigation, I have decided against seeking a recount in New Hampshire. I am confident that not asking for a recount is the right decision.
I carefully considered the arguments for and against a recount before instructing my campaign staff not to pursue it. Without a firm belief that vote fraud had taken place, and without the possibility that a recount would have increased the chances for success of our campaign, a recount would have diverted campaign resources, time, and energy away from crucial battles elsewhere.
We have taken concerns about vote fraud seriously. In Iowa, campaign volunteers carefully monitored the caucuses. Campaign staff placed Paul supporters in every precinct to watch and verify the voting and count. We had supporters phone in results from their precincts to a campaign hotline while others ensured that those numbers were reflected on the official display board at the Polk County Convention Center. The numbers our caucus watchers reported agreed with the official tally, and both results also aligned with the campaign’s internal polling. In relatively pro-Paul counties, our sampling pegged support at 11.5%. This is consistent with an overall 10% finish for the entire state.
In New Hampshire, while I would have hoped for a better result than eight percent, I am convinced that vote fraud played no role in this result. Rumors of vote fraud were investigated, and in the end they proved to be the result of errors in early media reports that were not reflected in the official numbers. In one notable case, when a campaign staff member contacted an individual who had on the evening of January 8 claimed that his vote had not been counted, the person said that he had made a mistake and that the next morning the error in reporting on a newspaper website had been corrected both in the media and -- most importantly -- in the official tally.
Many have expressed concerns that those ballots counted by machine yielded a 2% lower total than those counted by hand. However, machine counted vote totals were more than 2% lower for both John McCain and Mike Huckabee. Hand counted votes were more likely to be cast in rural areas. Results almost always vary between urban and rural areas.
My campaign staff and I have analyzed the numbers in New Hampshire and I have reached the conclusion that it was the high turnout -- not vote fraud or counting errors -- that left us with eight percent of the vote. Our total vote count of over 18,000 votes was well within what we projected given the efforts of our extensive statewide get-out-the-vote program, giving me no reason to believe that vote fraud played any role in the results of the Granite State’s primary.
In both Iowa and New Hampshire there is much to be proud of. Taking both states together, I am honored that over 30,000 people cast their vote for me -- more than either Rudy Giuliani or Fred Thompson. Unlike many other candidates’ efforts, our campaign for freedom is growing and our message is spreading.
Now is the time to redouble our efforts. Our resources must be spent on the upcoming primaries and caucuses, and on ensuring that, with your help, we organize every state yet to vote with our Precinct Leaders program.
We can't win primaries and caucuses that have already happened -- but we can win those yet to come. To become the Republican presidential nominee, a candidate must have 1,191 delegates. Iowa, Wyoming and New Hampshire determined only 32 delegates, so we have much opportunity remaining.
Today, I ask you to join me in focusing on the battles ahead as we continue our fight for liberty and our Constitution.
Sincerely,
Ron Paul
Ok - I take it all back. I am having serious doubts myself now!!
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 10:19 pm Post subject:
Dennis Kucinich knocks spots off Ron Paul - http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/260.html
-and he managed to get barred from participating in Democrat debate:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,,-7234832,00.html
They're afraid of this guy like they are of Cynthia Mc Kinney.
And I checked out the 'Granny Warriors' site, and was very dissapointed; they slag off Cindy Sheehan, want border fences, and would probably boil 'Osama' alive if they got hold of him (were he still alive, that is). _________________ 'And he (the devil) said to him: To thee will I give all this power, and the glory of them; for to me they are delivered, and to whom I will, I give them'. Luke IV 5-7.
Dennis Kucinich knocks spots off Ron Paul - http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/260.html
-and he managed to get barred from participating in Democrat debate:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,,-7234832,00.html
They're afraid of this guy like they are of Cynthia Mc Kinney.
And I checked out the 'Granny Warriors' site, and was very dissapointed; they slag off Cindy Sheehan, want border fences, and would probably boil 'Osama' alive if they got hold of him (were he still alive, that is).
how the hell did this guy slip past without no mention? all i hear is ronn paul. thanx for linking it, i wish there were politicans like him in this country(direct and to the point), they seem none exsistant, more busy picking their noses and nodding off on the benches.
http://www.youtube.com/denniskucinich _________________ 'And he (the devil) said to him: To thee will I give all this power, and the glory of them; for to me they are delivered, and to whom I will, I give them'. Luke IV 5-7.
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