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 Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:03 pm Post subject: Sun09March - LEEDS - 7/7 film showing & special guests |
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| Quote: | July Seventh and the Loss of Civil Liberties
FILM SHOWING & DEBATE WITH SPECIAL GUEST SPEAKERS IN BEESTON, LEEDS
Moazzam Begg, a US detention camp detainee and accused ‘enemy combatant’ and Annie Machon, a former Mi5 counter terrorism officer and whistleblower will be among the speakers at a debate in Beeston, Leeds.
Extra-judicial detention, the nature of the threat of terrorism and the effect of alienating communities will be debated.
In the aftermath of the London Bombings of July 7th 2005 Britain has become a state where detention without trial is real concern for many. Civilians can be detained without trial on mere suspicion alone. Detention camps have been home to many arrested under suspicion of terrorist links, only to be released without charge years later after no evidence could be found to support the accusations.
Moazzam Begg spent just over three years in extra-judicial detention in Guantánamo Bay and other US detention camps. In 2005, he was released without charge, compensation or even an apology; he remains subject to a ban preventing him from travelling outside of the UK. It is the sort of treatment that could radicalise the most placid of moderates. Yet Moazzam is seen by many as a rational, eloquent and, most ironically, a staunch advocate of traditional 'Western' freedoms.
The police and security services who job it is to protect us have a disconcerting history when it comes to successfully prosecuting terrorists. An additionally troublesome fact is that agencies funded by our taxes have engaged in direct acts of terrorism and supported extremist terrorist groups.
Annie Machon is a former counter-terrorism officer for MI5 who became a whistleblower. She, along with her former partner and MI5 colleague David Shayler, exposed many crimes committed by the intelligence agencies, up to and including these acts of state-sponsored, false-flag terrorism. She is now a peace campaigner and also co-chair of the 911 Truth Campaign in the UK and lectures around the world on the influence western intelligence agencies have had with illegal acts of terrorism.
In this context the question our unwarranted level of trust in the security services becomes very much apparent – and dangerous. Can we really, blindly accept the offerings of official narratives over thorough independent public inquiries and expect for our trust never to be abused?
Sunday 9th March 2008 at the Hamara Healthy Living Centre, Tempest Road, Leeds LS11 6RD. Doors open at 6.30pm.
http://www.wytruth.org.uk/event/moazzam_begg.html |
I could take a guess as to which film will been shown, but I liked to know whether there has been any discussion as to whether the Conspiracy Files team from the BBC are going to be filming, overtly - and with permission - or otherwise?
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I think it's mostly very unlikely that they are.
And please appreciate that this is an event primarily aimed at the Beeston community. Aimed at helping them get themselves up, dust themselves down and start to get the truth all over again
In fact I could take this post down but I dont really have the theoretical power and not put it back for a week, which would be the most appropriate thing. But I guess it's ok that people should know about it and consider its worth
Still I think if Moazzam keeps getting this degree of publicity he might consider pulling his contribution. He isn't a Truther. Be careful
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What if the Common Purpose graduate Leeds City Council funded Hamara Centre tried to shaft us with removing this meeting from its agenda
How would you feel about that. What would you do with such an affront?
Seriously - what would your response be?
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| paul wright wrote: | What if the Common Purpose graduate Leeds City Council funded Hamara Centre tried to shaft us with removing this meeting from its agenda
How would you feel about that. What would you do with such an affront?
Seriously - what would your response be? |
Seek another venue?
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| paul wright wrote: | What if the Common Purpose graduate Leeds City Council funded Hamara Centre tried to shaft us with removing this meeting from its agenda
How would you feel about that. What would you do with such an affront?
Seriously - what would your response be? |
My understanding is that Leeds City Council awarded grants towards the building of the Hamara centre. Although they continue to award grants to the charity, the charity is independent and day-to-day operational and overall strategic control is in the hands of the trustees and not Leeds City Council. It's not within LSC's power to remove the meeting from the agenda. It has been advertised on the MPAC UK and prominently on the West Yorkshire Truth Campaign sites, from which I sourced the quotes and flyer. Councillor Patrick Davey is a board member of Hamara, so I'm sure LSC are fully aware of any plans.
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Funding hasn't been negatively affected by the deep connections between the trustees, Hamara property, their volunteers and the accused three suicide bombers. In fact, funding from Leeds City Council has jumped from over £7,000 to a little over £39,000 between 2004 and 2006. They also found a new funding source in the form of a £225,000 grant from the New Opportunities Fund. I don't see why there would be any repurcussions from hosting Begg, Naseem or Machon at the event.
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Webster Tarpley & Cynthia McKinney gave talks at Leeds Metropolitan University (Common Purpose client) and Moazzam Begg at the University of Leeds. I don't think you'll need to worry about the instituitions cancelling the event.
However, if there's filming to be done for or on behalf of the BBC, or to be included in any such programme they produce then yes I would like the event cancelled.
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| paul wright wrote: | What if the Common Purpose graduate Leeds City Council funded Hamara Centre tried to shaft us with removing this meeting from its agenda
How would you feel about that. What would you do with such an affront?
Seriously - what would your response be? |
If Common Purpose and Leeds City Council were so all-powerful they wouldn't have let the event be scheduled in the first place and they wouldn't have put in place managers or trustees who would have considered being host to such an event. If we were to take the simplification of the relationship that you put forth, why then did you choose a venue that was funded by an organisation that was in turn a client of Common Purpose?
FYI, Together 4 Peace finds Muserat Sujewal, the Vice Chairman of Hamara, coming together with several representatives of Common Purpose clients including Education Leeds, Leeds City Council, Park Lane College, Leeds Met, several local MPs and a former director of Leeds Common Purpose, Michele Miller.
Source for list of CP clients:
http://stefzucconi.blogspot.com/2007/09/common-enemy.html
Further connections between Hamara and Common Purpose come via the awarding of an 'Investors in Diversity' award from the National Centre for Diversity (NCFD). 2007 Award
NCFD's partners include Common Purpose, British Chamber of Commerce, the CBI, the Pacific Institute and Business in the Community. Sitting gracefully upon the NCFD's National Advisory Board is none other than the Chief Executive of Common Purpose, Julia Middleton
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| TonyGosling wrote: | I would have hoped it was clear by now that it's up to the organisers alone whether the BBC film all or part of the meeting. I have made my views clear to all concerned namely that the audience will be able to speak more freely if the BBC aren't there. Not so the speakers - they should be able to decide for themselves.
And I trust there'll be no attempt to cancel this event by people who don't want to be filmed.
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However, if there's filming to be done for or on behalf of the BBC, or to be included in any such programme they produce then yes I would like the event cancelled. |
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I should clarify my remarks as I wouldn't try and cancel the event, that would be outside of my powers, but if it was confirmed or I had very good reason to believe that a BBC presence would there, then I would hope to see that any potential audience member was duly informed and then they could make an informed choice as to whether they would turn up. I would also try and inform Dr. Naseem. |
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| Tony Gosling wrote: | | I would have hoped it was clear by now that it's up to the organisers alone whether the BBC film all or part of the meeting |
Who are 'the organisers'? Wytruth?
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Anyway to clarify. The Hamara Centre have pulled the rug from under this event. From being all in favour to being utterly brick walling in the twinkling of an eye
No way never - the problem is caretakering or alternatively it's just that they don't do "political" events
Someone's been leant on,done doodoos in their panties
Somone's sold their community out
If you would like to comment on chickens or the Hamara Centre committee's sense of commitment than please feel free
info@hamara.co.uk
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| paul wright wrote: | Anyway to clarify. The Hamara Centre have pulled the rug from under this event. From being all in favour to being utterly brick walling in the twinkling of an eye
No way never - the problem is caretakering or alternatively it's just that they don't do "political" events
Someone's been leant on,done doodoos in their panties
Somone's sold their community out
If you would like to comment on chickens or the Hamara Centre committee's sense of commitment than please feel free
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Why not just ring up Tristan Quinn and get him to put in a word? Well, maybe not. What was the state of play with the Beeb just before the cancellation?
This sort of thing is to be expected. It is almost a badge of honour.
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Is it worth approaching them again and seeing if another event that was not publicised beyond the Hamara's and the organisers own networks and therefore less likely to attract the attention of mainstream media, would be supported? Given understandable concerns many independent July 7th researchers have over working with Tristan and the Beeb's CF series, I think that the Hamara's cold feet is understandable and that the way forward might be to work with them to see if a future event could get round these concerns.
But then I'm probably suggesting things that have already been considered |
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I think the Hamara Centre have bricked it
They have zero credibility
They are tied up in their sponsors and they are Common Purpose graduates after all
There is no point in pursuing them except for recompensation
They have totally betrayed their community
In all my dealings with them I've finally found them as totally deceitful
It was remarkable how they all unilaterally started singing from the same song sheet
What I got over the phone was the same as what I got at the door
They are a completely bought out and lost cause
They can only be deserving of attribution of government-serving losers
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Thats what hurts the most!!!
I wanted the whole event staged within the Beeston Community. They are - living in fear.
I dont pretend to be a saviour, but if someone came to me with hope - I would at least listen to them.
The very route to political activism is being closed to us, so how then are we supposed to campaign?
We need an explanation of political, and how they would class something being political? Thats what they said to us.
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